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If Hillary Wins Dem Nomination, I'll Likely Vote Green in General Election
This post might be sacrilege in these parts, but I'm comfortable being in the minority when my sense of personal integrity is at stake. I was in the seven to ten percent who disapproved of Bush after 9/11 (I knew they were lying as soon as Condi said they never imagined people using planes as weapons, it having been common knowledge about the 90s plot in the Philippines to crash US airliners). I was amongst the 30% who were against the Iraq War, and even protested it, before it started. I've been in the majority at times, too, but more often not.
At any rate, I often see discussion here about what current Clinton and Obama supporters will do once after one of them takes the nomination and I have to share what I plan to do as a current Obama supporter should he lose the nomination. I hear Hillary supporters express bewilderment when Obama supporters show uneasiness about supporting her in the general election and I'd like to explain why that might be. I certainly can't speak for every Obama supporter. Indeed, I probably do not speak for those who are lifelong Democrats, and I can't begin to speak for so-called Independents and crossover Republicans. Nevertheless, I would venture to guess that I am not alone in my thought processes here.
I haven't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate in the general since '92. (I have voted Green in safely Democratic California.) Bill Clinton was a giant disappointment for those who cherish progressive values more than party politics. His hard tack to the right in his first term greatly turned me off to the Democratic establishment, after having so much hope when George HW Bush lost the Presidency ending 12 years of Republican rule in the White House. Bill Clinton was bad on gays (Don't Ask Don't Tell, Defense of Marriage Act); bad on foreign policy (hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died due to sanctions); bad on taking the office of the Presidency seriously enough, and underestimating republican's desire to "get" him (Monica); bad on the death penalty, privacy and civil rights (Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act); bad on labor/trade (NAFTA); bad on health care (caving on universal care when he had a Dem Congress); bad on poverty (welfare reform); and bad on fair use/copyright law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act). I could go on and on...
Sure, there are excuses for each disappointment, but the fact remains that Bill Clinton's administration largely conducted itself as if it were Republican-lite, a kinder, gentler, sort of Republican.
Ever since '94, and even before, Repugs have been dictating national policy and the best Dems have done is react, and often very weakly at that. Both Clintons have been in that mold for nearly 15 years now. Just look at how hard Hillary has been trying to be seen as tough and "prove" her national security bonafides since she came to the Senate (Iraq in 2002, Iran in 2007). Not to mention her recent fear-mongering about terrorist attacks on "Day One."
At least Obama offers the "hope" of real change in the Democratic party and the country. It's a chance at something new. Maybe it will turn out to be a false hope, but I have absolutely no hope that Hillary will do anything dramatically progressive as President. There's nothing in her or her husband's history that suggests otherwise to me.
I will definitely vote for Obama in the general election if he wins the nomination. Even he is a bit too conservative for my tastes, but I will take a leap of faith once again, believe in the Democratic Party again, like I did in 1992, and vote for the Democratic nominee if Obama is that nomimee.
Hillary is clearly running on Bill's history as President in the 1990s -- and I couldn't bring myself to vote for him a second time -- so, if Hillary wins the Democratic nomination, I will likely vote Green again. [About the only reason I can foresee that I wouldn't vote Green if Hillary is the nominee, would be if pre-election polls show that she has under a ten percent lead over McCain as the presumptive Repug nominee in California. I would never vote Green and throw a Presidential election to a Republican.] If she is the clear California front-runner I will vote Green both to vote my heart and to send a message, just as I did when Bill ran for re-election in 1996, and in 2000 when Kerry did not run as a strong anti-war candidate. Hillary as President can and likely will ignore that message but it's what I have to do to vote in good conscience.






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IF OBAMA WINS NOMINATION I WILL VOTE MCCAIN
For those of you who support Barack Obama, PLEASE go to
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These are his own words from his book, friends and family. He was right when he said that no politician is clean. He is just as dirty if not more so than the rest. Some new change. He is not an outsider he's in the Senate. Why did he go along with supporting the war once he had the power to vote against it? What a hypocrite. I feel sorry for those who were taken in by him.
He has taken the great words of JFK and MLK and used them for his own. What a fraud. Yes the U.S. desperately wants change. They want change from George W Bush and it doesn't matter who it is. Obama wants you to believe in the words that he says but it's not what he believes in his heart.
February 8, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jennie, how much are they paying you? You're laying this spam pretty thick in just about every post. Obama's got a crap-ton of money, I'm sure he'll pay you more than what you're making now!
February 8, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd guess that jennie3233 would vote McCain regardless (maybe she was a Mr. 9-11 voter before he dropped out). Check the following from the About page of that "freedom" site:
>>The purpose of this website is to help shine a light on the activities of Islamists and Leftists that are intended to destroy the United States and its Constitution.
>>Islamists want to replace the U. S. Constitution with Sharia law. The external conflict is with Islamofascism.
>>Leftists want to freely interpret the U. S. Constitution to implement an all-American, Socialist-Marxist hybrid here in America. The internal conflict is with those Socialists and Marxists operating collectively under the banner of "Progressives."
Really nutsy ranting and raving. Straight up wackadoodle.
February 8, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Twirling: you politics and mine are very similar, it seems. A New Yorker, I voted Nader in '96 and 2000, but I regretted the latter vote later when it was clear that Nader was delighted to have been decisive in the election outcome.
I'm not crazy about either Democrat this year--on Super Tues I wavered between abstention and Obama, and ended abstaining. But I will have no trouble choosing Hillary over McCain if faced with that choice. With McCain in the White House, we can be sure that many, many more Americans and Iraqis will continue to die in that country for years to come. Hillary, on the other hand, is irrevocably committed to greatly reducing the US role there (maybe she won't go as far as I would like, but the change will nevertheless be major). The prospective human lives saved in Iraq is alone sufficient reason to prefere Hillary to McCain, setting aside the likely differences in their broader foreign policy. But the differences in their domestic poicies will also be consequential for a lot of people's lives. And I can't abide the thought of an irreversibly reactionary Supreme Court for the rest of my life. (I'm 61.) We simply can't have another 8 years of right-wing misrule. I hope you'll reconsider your determination to vote Green over Clinton.
February 9, 2008 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
hey TonyG
thanx for your thoughtful reply, but let me be clear that I in no way prefer McCain to Hillary Clinton nor do I think it doesn't matter which of the two is in the White House. I'd prefer not to give my vote (of support) to Hillary in the general but if push comes to shove -- that is if she is the Dem candidate and it looks like she will not be a clear winner in California -- then I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary. Odds are, if she is the nominee, she will be in the neighborhood of 10 points up just prior to the election here. In which case, I will vote my heart and vote Green. I just can't be the good little Democratic soldier that her campaign is built upon expecting to just fall in line.
I am ready to believe again and am infinitely tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. I will avoid it at all costs, except the cost of helping a Republican become President.
peace
February 9, 2008 2:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know the feeling of people not understanding me on my dislike of Hillary Clinton. I didn't like her before this whole thing started and before this started there weren't many Democrats I didn't like.
Being one of the only ones I didn't like, seeing all the Dems that support her, I now understand why I always consider myself an independent. Anti-Republican independent if I was to be frank and specific.
I was one that was in the approval rating of Bush after 9/11 but I caught on later on when I saw Bush's smugness in response to people that didn't think that going into Iraq would be a good idea. He was talking in a speech and even though it wasn't, it sounded like a direct response to the letter I sent to him @ the whitehouse.gov address. It wasn't a respectful response.
Anyhow, I voted for Nader in 2000 and I didn't support Gore for a few of the same reasons that I don't support Hillary this year (political robot).
I will vote for Obama unless he leaves the race before I get to vote in May. If he does leave, then I will get a hold of the Nader people and help out getting signatures so he can get on the ballot in my state.
Don't feel alone... someone else out there has a lot of similarities.
February 9, 2008 6:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hum, another contemporary bunkshooter.
February 10, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
oops that was a reply to BillySumday.
February 10, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
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