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Dream Ticket and VP Issues

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It seems the most interesting issue coming out of Thursday night's democratic debate is not the definition of universal health care or whether a mandate is necessary or would work.  The Iraq war differences got mild buzz, but the entire Iraq issue seems on the back burner for our friends in the media.  The biggest buzz seems to be over the "Dream Ticket."  Political media critics will find this predictable and probably saw it coming when the question was asked in the first place.

Obviously, this is a rather silly question at this point in the campaign and it gets people away from the substance that can only be found within the Obama website or after people have left early from the Clinton question and answer period of her town hall meetings.  That said, since the media puts it center stage, it is likely to highlight some VP issues that exist for both campaigns.

For Obama, the dream ticket talk does not help his case that he is needed now.  The "he should wait his turn" or "we love what he say, but are not sure he is ready" crowds could find comfort in the dream ticket and it could be a coffee/barber/beauty shop buzz winner for Clinton.  There is a sense that many people, not obsessed with this campaign, like Clinton and Obama.  The dream ticket could be the best way to get 2 for 1.  With her being older and slightly ahead, the dream ticket talk today really means Obama as #2.

For Clinton, the dream ticket helps in the ways mentioned above, but raises some new issues.  First, the conventional wisdom is that Obama would never pick her if he is the nominee because she only motivates republicans to vote against her.  The more talk that gets, the more likely people start to ask if that is also true of her if she is the nominee and the electability issue comes up.  Second, if she does win, the conventional wisdom is that she has to pick Obama.  She will already have to unite a party and will be stuck with a forced choice or making her job uniting the party that much harder by passing on Obama.

The final issue the dream ticket conversation raises (I am sure there are more, but this is all I have) is that it highlights how hard it will be for Clinton to pick a vice president with her husband around.  The VP should be the second most powerful voice in the party during the general election campaign, but is it possible for anyone other than Obama to fulfill that roll for her?  Would he even want the trouble?   Am I the only person who thinks the image of the FPOTUS/Richardson Super Bowl gathering as the exact reason most people with a political future would want to avoid being her VP candidate.  When things are not going right, she calls in the enforcer to tell Richardson, a possible VP candidate, what he should do.  Would her VP be allowed to talk with her without him knowing or being involved?  I think there is a part of the party establishment that likes her more than him, but will a VP need to see him as her proxy at all times.  The co-presidency issue is not a winner for the Clintons.

On the whole, I think the dream ticket issue helps Clinton in the short term, but the more it helps now, the more likely she is set up with even greater disadvantages for the general election and with selecting an actual VP if she is the nominee.

If Super Tuesday is the virtual tie everyone thinks it will be, does the dream ticket talk go on for weeks to come?  Does the dream ticket talk become the new narrative the media grabs onto?  I hope not, but it looks possible and could have real implications for both candidates in determining who is the nominee and how that person moves forward in the general election.


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I think there's some interest by Obama supporters in seeing an Obama-Clinton ticket, if she would accept. The argument uses George W. Bush's pick of Cheney as an example. Clinton adds Washington experience, resume heft, and foreign policy/defense experience to balance his appeal. Clearly there are other choices Obama could make that would do the same, but without the Clinton baggage. My view is that Obama might be willing to pick Clinton for one reason alone: if it were necessary to unite the party in the face of an extremely tight primary race and avoid the spectre of a brokered convention.

Obama/Clinton is a way to get Hillary in the White House without Bill.

I think the question is not so much who Hillary would choose; rather, the question is what politician of any stature will be willing to take the VP slot knowing full well that Bill may end up as the de facto Vice President?

Obama won't take it--it would be a career-killer. Edwards? Perhaps. Richardson? More likely?

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The arrogance of thw Obama camp is never more apparent than dealing with this issue. They are willing to accept a obama/clinton ticket but not the reverse. Get real--If democrats would tink they coud take the WH for hte next 16 years but it would mean that Obama would have to come of is igh horse and put the party and our country ahead of his own selfish ambitions. If those of you who support this ticket would considered something
a successful clinton/obama ticket would assure obama a win. The inexpereince would be solved and someone like me would be able to accept him as he would no longer be a greenhorn. However put Hillary in as VP and you will have a GOP president to follow and distroy any accomplishments as was what happened with B clintons adm. As much as we priase Gore now the DEms turned thier back on him because they were upset with CLinton. We need to insure that a DEM follows so any progress made is not reversed by the GOP. Hillary would make a good VP but in doing this you hand the 2016 elction over to the GOP because this country has enough trouble electing a woman and we may elect a man who is 68 but our country would never elect a 68 year old WOMAN

I also was put off by Obama asumption that he could get Her votes but not Vice versa. Arrogant Obama would only get my vote THROUGH Clinton. YOu see when your born in rural poverty you have heard his talk before but the Clinton's brought real change to people like us that we can point to. Obams's talk is empty rhetoric and his comments on Health Care prove he knows nothting aout people like us. Yeah the youth are behind but then my kids tend to behind any popular movement. They go along with crowds and AD execs have figured out that this group is easily lead by a catchy phrase. My country is more important than going along with something because its SOOOO COOOL If Obama is the nominee unless hillary is the vp I will vote for McCain because a few have already said. I know what to expect from his experience and I refuse to jump off the cliff with the rest of the Democratic party. We are electing a US president not a class president and this not a popularity contest. ITS A JOB INTERVIEW> Obams simply does not add up to his rhetoric

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Dottie,

Why the hostility? I am an Obama supporter, and I would be ecstatic with the prospect of a Clinton-Obama ticket. It could potential take the best of two magnificent candidates and make them both better.

Please don't make all kinds of faulty assumptions and demonize people without knowing what they actually think.

We should all, as Democrats, be excited and energized by the terrific qualities of both of our possible nominees, and be willing to admit that either one will make a stellar commander-in-chief, particularly in comparison to what the GOP is offering.

Let's make sure we don't tear each other down and/or make any hostile statements. Support your candidate, point out substantive differences, or even differences in how we perceive our favorites, but let us not debilitate any candidate....just my thoughts. Naive? Perhaps.

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One more thought--even cynics could be and dare I say should be inspired by what Barack represents, and by how he wants to change this country. If you cannot believe that it is possible to bring the kinds of changes, to poor people, but more importantly for ALL of us, then I will keep you in my thoughts and hope that one day you might feel it too.

It's not just about a feel-good. It's much, much more than that. But we do all have to believe to make it happen, don't we?

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It would be foolish of Obama to sign on to be VP for Hillary. First he'd be stuck in both Hillary and Bill's shadow. Secondly look at Gore. Backbenched for 8 years and then when it was his chance large parts of the country were overcome with Clinton fatigue and scandal and he had to run away from Bill's record. Obama doesn't need that. He'd be better served finishing out his Senate term and then running for Governor before he tries again. She could definately use his help in patching up relations with the African American community, Independants, and moderate Republicans but I would urge him to turn the offer down.

On the flip side Hillary doesn't bring anything Obama needs as a VP. She delivers no states he can't win on his own and her "experience" (setting asside for the moment that he has plenty of experience and well thought out policy proposals on his own and any comments to the contrary are laughable to anyone who has investigated the man on their own) can easily be gotten elsewhere. But what she would bring to the ticket is Clinton fatigue, divisivness, scandal, energized Republicans, and Bill. Would a President Obama want Bill running loose in his administration? I wouldn't.

Obama would be better served picking either Governor Sebelius of Kansas or Governor Napolitano of Arizona. Both formidable purple state female governors that could deliver states and bring executive experience to the ticket.

Napolitano could be especially helpful against McCain. She is term limited in Arizona and was ranked by Time magazine as one of the five best governors in the US.

What s/he said.

I believe that Obama-Clinton is thinkable, but Sebelius or Napolitano in the VP slot would be substantially better.

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