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Debate Has Finished Hillary
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama sat on the stage together tonight for perhaps the last time before we know who the Democrat’s Presidential nominee will be. They were at the Ohio Debate.
Hillary, according most political pundits including her own husband Bill Clinton, needs to win in Texas and Ohio next Tuesday night or she will not be the nominee. Did this debate help or hurt her?
In my humble opinion, this debate finished her off.
After having a heated debate over health care, where she filibustered through most of it, she was asked a question by Brian Williams. Hillary said,
Well could I just point out that in the last several debates, I seem to get the first question all the time. And I don’t mind, I’ll be happy to field them. But I do find it curious. And if anybody saw Saturday Night Live, maybe we should ask Barack if he’s comfortable and needs another pillow.






Comments (20)
"I seem to get the first question all the time, I do find it curious. "
Is that what she'd complain about at a presidential press conference?
February 26, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Probably. She'd always want Bill C to answer the first question. ;-)
February 26, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure what your question is, what Presidential press conference.
I forgot to add the following statement to my post:
Imagine being an American that never watches Saturday Night Live or even knows what it is - watching Hillary throw a fit during a presidential debate about something that was said on it. Can you imagine shaking your head and asking, "What?"
Would you vote for her after that?
February 26, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pundits appear to be giving HER the debate. Did they all watch a different debate then I? The lady looked worn out, at times very angry and about to cry when Tim Russert kept attacking her. In her defense, Tim did get a little rude by not letting her finish her sentences....but after she filibuster for almost 20 minutes about Health Care, he probably felt he had to.
The lady is just the wrong woman to be our President.
February 26, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The average viewer is voting heavily in favor of Obama. The MSM is calling it for Hillary, who knows why, after the way she's spewed acid at them the past few days.
February 27, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just thought Obama looked far more presidential tonight, while Clinton continued with more of the same frustrated and temperamental expressions of her persecution complex. Now it's unfair that she too often gets asked to answer first?
The thing that seems to frustrate her the most against Obama is that Obama is just so damn reasonable. When his opponent makes a point he agrees with, he says "That is a good point." When they make a contrary point, he defends his own position with calm, vigorous strength and confidence, without turning the discussion into a food fight.
The fallacy of that Saturday Night Live sketch was the suggestion that because Obama is so assured and relaxed during these debates, that must be because he is being treated gently. But in fact he gets equally tough questions. It's just that he has more grace under fire.
February 27, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes and nobody mentions the fact that she's gotten the last word in at least the last two debates.
February 27, 2008 8:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Hillary would run the country, like she has run her campaign we
would be pissed. Obama has run a much better campaign, and
I'm sure would do a better job running the country.
February 27, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Barack Obama : : Change We Can Believe In | Connie Manes's Blog ..."
Perhaps you should add a disclaimer to your plethora of anti Hillary opinions.
February 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
No disclaimer is needed. One does not have to explicitly state that one is infavor of a candidate when posting in favor of that candidate. It sort of goes without saying. By this time next week there won't be a Clinton campaign to support in any case.
February 27, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
George W. Bush was a great campaigner, that not indicative of an ability to govern.
February 27, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
MrMurder,
I tempted to agree with you, except that Bush everyone knew Rove was running the show during the campaign season. Bush was just the guy the media 'had a beer with'. A little cheating in South Carolina, a stacked Supreme Court and his little brother being the Governor of Florida didn't hurt!
Obama is quite different, having experience as a community organizer, and explicitly setting the tone and direction of his campaign.
February 27, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two questions.
1) Did Connie write the first half of her blog or after the debate? Reads to me like before with a hurried note at the end?
2) Is there anybody who doesn't think the SNL parody last Saturday wasn't dead on? if so, tell us why.
Look, Obamaites, you're going to get your way. Your guy is going to be the nominee and we will once again be treated to a presidential choice between a fellow who knows nothing about government and a guy who has been a politician most of his career. The last time this happened, the public went with the guy who knew little about government. How did that work out for you?
February 27, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, Obama is no George Bush. Please, be reasonable.
Nonetheless, Hillary is better prepared and has more progressive policies. That's what drives me nuts. Progressives are lining up behind the most conservative candidate in the race - and thinking that's the liberal thing to do. When I see someone criticize Hillary for being a centrist and too conservative and THEN say they support Obama, it makes me want to bang my head against the wall. The stupidity hurts.
now, if you were a conservative democrats, an independent, a liberal republican and supported Obama, great, that means you actually have done more than look at the color of his skin and swooned at his eloquence.
But as a progressive I am embarrassed by the facile and callow assumption that Obama is liberal and progressive compared to Clinton when they both have their policies out and they are clearly different. I will give Obama the more liberal position on two issues, Iraq and immigration, but on EVERY OTHER issue he is more conservative....and more conservative than any other Democratic Candidate since Woodrow Wilson. Please stop trying to insult my intelligence by pretending that you support him on the issues, it's clear you do not.
February 27, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're completely wrong. It's progressive to favor Bush's invasion of Iraq, to give him a permission slip to bomb Iran (Kyl-Lieberman), to vote to criminalize flag-burning, to favor credit card companies over consumers?
Get a grip. Hillary has been cynically triangulating conservative voters for years in anticipation of this run. Frankly, I think it's more progressive to be right on the issues the first time than to constantly be apologizing for your mistakes.
February 27, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oregon Activist, I'm sorry that the stupidity that you perceive hurts you so much. Thing is, there is no universal progressive barometer. If Iraq and immigration were the most important issues to you, you'd view Obama as more progressive. People also view policy differences as more or less significant. To some progressives, the difference between Clinton and Obama's health care plans is vast. To others, it's a relatively small difference which will be erased by congress in any case. These different perspectives will give you different answers as to which candidate is the most progressive, which is why there is so much disagreement about it.
Because of these differences, the fights about which candidate is more progressive are silly. Last night, Obama argued that people are tired of the labels. I know that I am. I do not vote based on who has highest score on someone's progressive barometer, and I think that most TPM posters are similar. If you feel that Clinton best represents the issues that are important to you, then you should certainly vote for her. If someone says to you, "Universal health care is the most important issue to me, that's why I'm voting for Obama", then you should challenge that person and have a discussion about it. But please don't issue a universal condemnation of progressive Obama supporters just because we don't adhere to your rigid dogma.
February 27, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shrillary Clinton wants to FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT. It has become clear that just being in the White House is more important to her than actually developing a base of support that is going to carry this election and change the course of national policy development. By the way, she's not even talking about it because to do so at this point, given her contributors, would be the at best hypocritical. She's falling through her own platform planks now. It's a long, long fall for someone who believed in the inevitability of her coronation.
February 27, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I completely agree with Connie that Hillary did everything she could last night to finish off her candidacy. She seemed to think that she could argue her way into the hearts & minds of voters. It doesn't work that way.
Just who among the undecided voters did she think that she was going to win over with her whining, interrupting, demanding more time, etc.? She came across as unlikable & as no one that you'd want to listen to for the next 4 years if you haven't already decided in her favor.
The most successful candidates have almost always (Nixon excepted) been congenial, have had a sense of humor, & have seemed comfortable in their own skin. She doesn't project any of these qualities. she comes across as angrey, petulant. & thin skinned. That's why she has blown this nomination. It's not because of the press or anyone else. It's because she has proven herself not very effective as a presidential candidate.
I frankly find her style in this campaign to be shocking in light of her senate campain in 2000, which I thought was brilliant. I thought that her listening tour through upstate New York was an inspired strategy, which showed her in a whole different light than her public image. I thought that she would take a similar approach in this campaign. She hasn't.
The media & the candidates all harp far to much on what a candidates' positions are. Hillary is the worst offender in this regard, constantly reciting a litay of her accomplishments & proposed solutions. A president isn't supposed to be the person with all the answers. That's why s/he is surrounded by a staff & by advisors. No one can be expert in all areas for which a president is responsible. Moreover, a presidents tak can completely take a 90 degree turn after s/he is in office. JFK was faced with the Bay of Pigs 2 months after he took office. Unfortunately his debates with Nixon focused much more on Kimoy & Matsu than they did on Cuba, which became a major focus of his administration. Same for GW Bush. 9/11 completely changed the focus of his presidency 7 all of his talk about domestic issues during the debates gave us little insight regarding what the real focus of his presidency would be.
A candidate must demonstrate to the voters qualities of leadership, judgment, temperament, & intelligence. These are the things that will give us the best insights as to how s/he will handle the unanticipated - which is much more important than their position papers addressing the known issues. In addition, no president will be able to move into the Oval Office & implement legislation unilaterally. If we are so fortunate as to get an actual national health plan, it will probably not look anything like either the Clinto Plan or the Obama Plan after the necessary compromises are struck. So, shy waste our time arguing over the nuances that will never see the light of day?
February 27, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be honest, my whole comment didn't get printed. I don't know about anybody else but I've been having trouble posting lately. Either I get nothing but the headings or I get a partial statement or rarely I get my whole statement.
If you want to read the whole statement go to my website: www.freewebs.com/coonsey/
February 27, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The press appears to be suffering from Battered Wife Syndrome, when it comes to HRC. She rips into them, threatens them, accuses the press of being biased towards Obama, yet the press fall all overthemselves to keep her happy.
If HRC had won 11 straight contests where the SMALLEST margin of victory was 17 points, does anyone really think that the press would still be considering Obama a serious contender for the democratic nomination??
The 'press is against me' meme is such a load of crap!
February 27, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
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