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Convention Math: What Adds up to Legitimacy?

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"It would be a problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided," Speaker Nancy Pelosi piously intoned last week. Well, sure, Madame Speaker - but which public? And how shall we know what it has decided?

There are three paradoxes that lie at the crux of the nominating process, and which together have produced most of the quirks that have resulted in so much hand-wringing (and more than a few others that have thus far passed unnoticed). The first of these is that it is a partisan process - by its very definition, restricted to a subset of the whole - that aspires to democratic legitimacy. The second is that it aims to produce a single national result, but by means of separate processes in individual states. And the third is our nation's republican creed of representative democracy, which grants primacy to the public interest yet relies upon an elite few to discern it.

Let's consider how these three paradoxes come to bear on the arguments being advanced by the two campaigns in their quest to convince delegates that they, and they alone, have achieved a mandate for the nomination.

The Popular Vote:

The argument here is simple and intuitive. In most elections, the candidate who garners the greatest number of votes, wins. That seems eminently fair. Democrats groused about the legitimacy of President Bush's mandate in 2000, when he failed to carry the popular vote, further embedding the argument in the Democratic pysche. So why not simply tally up all the votes, and then pressue the delegates to follow the people's clearly expressed will?

The Problems

Actually, it's not that simple. Consider the first of our paradoxes, the partisan nature of the process. Are we interested in the will of all voters who will be eligible to cast ballots in November? Clearly not. The nominating process is a partisan affair, and so, contra Speaker Pelosi, "the public" is not making this decision. Advocates of the popular vote are actually championing a curious beast called "the Democratic primary electorate," which is neither fish nor fowl. Consider this: the primary system enfranchises quite a few voters who will not be eligible to vote in November, including voters in American territories and commonwealths such as American Samoa and Puerto Rico. It allows Democrats living abroad to choose between voting with Democrats Abroad and voting via absentee ballot in their state elections.  But at the same time, a huge portion of the overall electorate is excluded. Voters can only cast ballots if they are registered as Democrats. Or if they switch their registration to become Democrats. Or if they are unaffiliated, but not if they are enrolled in another party. Or as long as they don't vote in the other party's elections. It's a mess.

That brings us to the second paradox, federalism. The rules, it turns out, vary state by state. We are left to tally incommensurate sums. The total number of Democratic votes in one state, the total number of all votes in the other. Even states that share formal rules may introduce other variables. Are they voting on the same day? Is there a Republican primary that day, or nothing else to siphon off independents? Is the contest held in January or May, and have voters' preferences changed in the interim? And that's before we broach the subject of caucuses. Several states produced no reliable count of the popular vote. Are they to be disenfranchised? The rules of the caucuses themselves vary widely, some resembling elections and others town meetings, but they're generally more restrictive than those used in primary elections. So, conversely, would counting the individual votes cast at caucuses serve to corrupt the tally of the popular vote?

The popular vote turns out to be a chimera, a strange creature composed of diverse tallies from disparate processes, and missing several vital parts. So where does that leave us?

The Pledged Delegates:

If the popular vote had the advantage of intuitive legitimacy, the pledged delegate tally has the virtue of internal consistency. The voters award the delegates, and the delegates award the nomination. It seems simple enough, for all that no one seems to understand the messy mechanics. If delegates are the currency of the convention, then the pledged delegates, the ones we the public elected (er, sort of) ought to make the decision. Right?

The Problems:

I'm sure you'll be shocked to learn it's not that straightforward (and, of course, since pledged delegates are selected through the processes detailed above, we start with many of the same flaws). Let's begin this time with the third paradox, representative democracy. It's so familiar that it may be difficult to step back, and see what a strange process it really is. Since the Warren Court, Americans have understood our Constitution to include a guarantee of "One man, one vote." In a series of decisions beginning in 1964 and ending in 1989, the Supreme Court declared that at every level of government (save the United States Senate) electoral districts, as nearly as practicable, must be drawn to be roughly equal in population, so that every vote is worth about as much as any other. The primaries, as extra-constitutional processes, are entirely exempt from this requirement. As a practical matter, that means that some votes are worth more than others. Much more. State parties are given the choice of four formulas for allocating a block of their pledged delegates among their congressional districts. Only two of the four give any weight at all to population, but all four place great weight on the number of votes cast for Democratic candidates in recent elections. So in Illinois, for example, voters in some districts elect as many as 8 pledged delegates, and voters in others as few as 4. And, as if the Democratic Party can't quite decide which way is fairest, we apportion the pledged delegates based on the results as calculated at two separate levels. A good chunk of them are split among the candidates based on statewide tallies, the bulk based on the district vote. There are good arguments in favor of either approach, but I have yet to hear a compelling defense of splitting the difference.

That much has been widely reported. Less appreciated is the result of our second paradox, federalism. Not only, it turns out, are the pledged delegates not apportioned among the districts by population, neither are they apportioned by population among the states. This gets complicated; go read the Call to Convention if you care about the gory details. Suffice it to say, it's a weird amalgam of each state's electoral vote, the number of votes for the Democrats in the last three presidential elections, and how late in the calendar year the contest is held. That's right - move your state's primary after May 1, and you could score 30% more base delegates. It's a fantastic system. So the next time you hear someone proclaim that the votes of all the states matter equally, snicker. The truth is, the Democratic Call to Convention resembles nothing so much as our tax code - an accretion of complicated provisions designed to achieve a diverse range of policy objectives, that surpasseth all understanding.

And that brings us to the paradox of partisanship. In this case, it's a reminder that even the Democratic Party is itself a hodgepodge of different groups, each with its own agenda. Once again, we find the familiar tension between the particular and the general. So far, we've only discussed how the pledged delegates are allocated among the various presidential contenders. But there's another stage to this process: the choice of the delegates themselves. And given that, in most cases, there's nothing to bind them to follow their pledge once they arrive on the convention floor, it's a non-trivial matter. A good chunk of the pledged delegate slots are reserved for elected officials and party leaders. Others are drawn from various minority groups: Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, American Indians. If insufficient numbers of those four groups are elected as pledged delegates by voters, the state parties are required to override the will of the electorate, and hand them statewide slots on a quota basis. (Outreach is also required to the LGBT community and to the disabled, although they don't qualify for quotas). Perhaps most significantly, delegations are scrupulously divided between men and women, right down to the district level. And who chooses them? There are almost as many answers as there are delegations. In some states, like New York, ordinary voters choose some of them in primaries; in Wisconsin, a primary state, they're mostly selected at caucuses; and almost everywhere, state conventions play a role. This system may serve the interests of the party - it may even serve the interests of social justice - yet it bears but a tangential relationship to democracy, as we generally understand the term. So much, then, for pledged delegates as a transparent reflection of the public will.

The Superdelegates:

Automatic delegates to Howard Wolfson, unpledged delegates in the quaint argot of the DNC, superdelegates to the rest of us - these men and women have attained an almost mythic status in the past few weeks. But don't villify them. Howard Dean hastens to remind us that all of them have been elected by some group of voters (or by some group that was elected by a group of voters, or...nevermind.) At any rate, this marvelous group of men and women will "exercise their best judgment in the interests of the nation and of the Democratic Party." Problem solved, right?

The Problems:

By now, you probably don't even need me to point out the first issue; the DNC chair has nicely encapsulated it for us. Are these folks pursuing the interests of the nation or of the Democratic Party? Ladies and gentleman, the paradox of partisanship.

Federalism, too, plays a role. The DNC includes the chair and vice-chair of every state party, so the eighth of the superdelegate slots tied most directly to the state parties is about as representative as the United States Senate. (Which reminds me, Senators are themselves superdelegates.) Then, the DNC awards a bonus equal to 1/4 the number of superdelegates in a state, a formula that rewards the states with the least and the most superdelegates, at the expense of those in the middle.

But it's the third paradox, that of representative democracy, which the superdelegates most embody. The problem is very simple: precisely whose interests do these delegates represent? DNC members hold their seats because they give the party lots of money. Or because they represent the interests of a subset of party leaders or members. Or because they were elected in state primaries or caucuses or conventions. Or because they're policy gurus or political operatives. The list goes on. The elected officials, when you stop to think about it, aren't in a much clearer position. As a Congressman, James Clyburn represents the people of his district - not just those who can vote, and not just those who voted for him. But we're talking about his position as a superdelegate, which he holds by virtue of his elective office, which isn't quite the same thing as an extension of it. He's made it clear he doesn't feel bound by the decision of voters in his district.

No one embodies the trouble with wearing multiple hats better than Harold Ickes. In 1980, he negotiated the removal of superdelegates from the nominating process on behalf of Jesse Jackson, decrying them as unfair, and enshrined proportional representation as the sole method of selecting delegates. Last year, as a member of the DNC, he voted to approve the rules for this year's process. And he voted to strip Florida and Michigan of every last one of their delegates, because "those were the rules, and we thought we had an obligation to enforce them." But Ickes is also one of Hillary Clinton's senior advisers, and has spent the week on the phone with the media, arguing for the legitimacy of superdelegates and the need to seat MI and FL. So when the convention rolls around, will Ickes vote as a DNC member, casting his superdelegate vote against the seating of the delegations? Or as a Clinton adviser, voting to advance her interests?

There are even competing accounts of what including superdelegates was intended to accomplish. Depending on which version of the story you believe, their inclusion in the process was intended to keep party leaders engaged in the campaign and its outcome; to ensure that the DNC would vote for a new convention plan by throwing them the sop of automatic seats; to dilute the influence of activists and younger voters and heighten the sway of institutional leaders; or some combination of these. But does it matter? Like the Electoral College, they are an institution we are happiest honoring for irrelevance.

Summing Up:

I don't have any clear answers. Really, I wish I did. It'd be nice to come to a neat (if facile) conclusion, endorsing the  popular vote, pledged delegates, or superdelegates as the ultimate and proper measure of the legitimacy of a candidate's claims. But there's been a lot of overheated rhetoric of late, a lot of false piety and righteous wrath, a lot of self-serving hypocrisy. I hope that, if you've made it through this excessively long screed, you'll take away a sense of complexity and irony, and greet such claims with the skepticism they deserve.

At the end of the day, only two outcomes are possible. Either the party (and the convention) will coalesce around a single candidate, or it will divide bitterly on the issue before conferring a narrow victory. No matter the weakness of the underlying logic, the former outcome will seem legitimate. No matter the persuasiveness of the claim, the latter will not. There is no single, fair measure of victory in the Democratic contest other than the one that matters - near-universal assent. It's tautological, of course, but there it is. That, I think, ought to give both campaigns pause, and remind the delegates to the convention that their ultimate purpose must be to forge a party united behind its nominee.  

If you've enjoyed this, please share it with other readers by clicking the 'recommend this' link. You can find more analysis on my blog. As always, I welcome comments and corrections. Thanks to all who have contributed to the remarkably civil conversations that have ensued - and to Josh Marshall, for his commitment to continuously pushing the envelope of the possible on this site.


Comments (22)

As usual, Fly, you organize, analyze, and synthesize complexity so that the issues/problems are clear...and in this case, I might add, depressing.

There's only one thing worth adding here, that I can think of. In addition to all the problems you've outlined, the sequential nature of this candidate selection process means that citizens in the earliest states had "more choices" but less chance to have a say in picking between the two who remain standing. (I think if I'd been an Edwards voter, for example, in Iowa, I might wish I had a chance to change my preference and cast it for one of the remaining two candidates.)

So we have a rolling game of chance. Where the rules keep changing and even the candidate slates have changed.

It's truly a depressing thing to contemplate. In addition to a conundrum to navigate.

Here we have, in my view, an historic opportunity to elect the candidate of a lifetime. But can we get there with out party and our ideals intact?

Seems to me some influential people have to sit down with both candidates and find a way to reward each of them with posts which suit their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. I have written before of the value of having Barack Obama as President and Hillary Clinton as "Prime Minister" (the closest approximation of which, in our system, would be Majority Leader of the Senate). If anyone is interested in a fuller explication of that suggestion, click my name and scroll down to that blog post.

I always looks for your posts, Fly, and read them eagerly. Thanks for all your hard work.

Editing clarification:

"But can we get there with *our* party and our ideals intact?"

Thanks Fly.

It seems to me that the most democratic, least expensive, and the most transparent system for for nominating party candidates would be a national primary day, to include all parties. Say, two months before the general election.

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Perhaps so. Yet every solution, at least in the political realm, tends to beget other problems.


Switch to a national primary, and candidates lose the ability to build momentum. Retail politics drops out of the equation. The race will largely be decided by fundraising clout - only candidates with enough cash to purchase large chunks of airtime will have a fighting chance.

It is, perhaps, worth bearing mind that every feature of the present system that I deride in the post above was introduced to rectify some particular problem. For the most part, they succeeded. And the result is a complete trainwreck. Ironic, no?

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It is incomprehensible to me why you go to all this trouble, fly, when the solution is as simple as George Bush.

If the end result is the nomination of my favored candidate, the process is completely fair and just.

If another candidate is nominated, it is wrong, evil, felonious, undemocratic and offensive to He Who Will Make the Final Judgment Above.

Best, Terry

Terry, come join us at Eric's place. I think you'd enjoy the ambiance. You'd find a lot of tpm-ers. It's not a substitute. But nice digs. Good company. (and not broken!) We'd love to see you!

Fly's welcome too of course!

Click on:

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Interesting as always. Chuck Schumer had an interesting take on the issue this morning. He believes that Obama and Clinton will sit down and negotiate a finale that holds the Party together for the general election. That may be the most hopeful and optimistic statement of the campaign.

I don't think that the Democratic Party will allow this to turn into something ugly and reminiscent of 2000.

Thank you, FlyOnTheWall, for once again providing us all with a carefully researched and written post.

I was reading Lo! to my daughter tonight, and I came upon a sentence that reminded me of you.

"To have any opinion, one must overlook something."

Since you don't overlook much, you're high on fact, low on opinion. My compliments.

You want the answer? Obama just needs to win all 3! Problem solved. ;)

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Very impressive!
http://www.spymac.com/details/?2343566

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I think what this post demonstrates more than anything is that there is -- and should be -- no one single criteria for superdelegates. The chances are that, if this race goes to the end of the primary season, one candidate will be seen as being ahead by most objective measures. In that case, it will be extremely difficult for the superdelegates to hand the nomination to the second-place finisher.

On the other hand, if the race is really tight -- Obama has a couple more delegates, Hillary received more overall votes -- and is seen as being essentially tied, then superdelegates will have to provide a tie-breaking role. In that case, it will be hard to mandate exactly which criteria they should use to break that tie.

Actually, I think that the chances are that the superdelegates can vote however they want, and Obama will still win. By "however they want", I'm assuming they just naturally won't be lopsided by more than 20%—even before you factor in the possibility that many superdelegates will want to either "unify the party" or vote with the majority of delegates/voters.

Fly, nice try but your opinion is somewhat flawed.
Your first argument is fallacious.
you say:
"The nominating process is a partisan affair, and so, contra Speaker Pelosi, "the public" is not making this decision"
This is a very serious misrepresentation of the facts worthy of Karl Rove.
The 'public' are those who are eligible to vote in the democratic primary!!!
Compare the size of that group around 50 million, with the 800 of super delegates and it's clear that for 800 to overrule 50 million is CLEARLY not democratic!

All your ifs and buts come down to nitpicking, and highly suggestive ones at that.
Are you suggesting that the primary process can never be a true democracy since republicans and/or some independents aren't allowed to vote in it?
That seems a retarded point to make.

I'm guessing the superdelegates were invented to break deadlocks or, to prevent a republican disguised as a democrat to make use of hyped masses to do a hostile takeover.
Which all makes sense to me, really, it does.
Let's say, that Obama was blonde woman with huge knockers, saying all kinds of weird stuff, yet getting 100 percent of the male vote (in such a case, superdelegates are well waranted)

In case the candidates are so close on the issues as these two, and both clearly don't represent some freak faction of the democratic party, superdelegates shouldn't have any say.

All this geeky nitpicking and microargumenting is really not in the best interest of Democrats and the rest of the world.
We all really do hope for a clear nomination, be it Clinton or Obama, which true Democrat (or non-American) really cares? As long as its not a Republican, its all good.
The only non-Americans that want McCain are Putin, other dictators and the Chinese govt. cause he'll keep the war on Terror alive, so they can do whatever they want in Chechnya and Tibet.

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Observer:

That the number of voters eligible to participate in the caucuses and primaries is vastly larger than the number of superdelegates has little bearing; my point was simply that the process restricts the pool of eligible participants in a variety of ways that few Democratic leaders have acknowledged in their exaltations of the public will. I was not suggesting that superdelegates have any greater degree of legitimacy; the entire point of the post was that all three measures are deeply flawed.

I certainly would defend the right of the Democratic Party to restrict the nominating process to those voters who choose to affiliate with the party. And indeed, the Democratic Party has attempted to ensure that the process is so structured. Its efforts, however, have been confounded by a variety of state laws mandating access for independents and/or voters of other parties. The result is a strange hybrid, in which the rules vary from state to state. That the Democratic Party is hardly to blame for this strange state of affairs is, I'm sure, comforting to members of the DNC - but it hardly legitimates the process. And if party leaders wish to defend this process, they must do so explicitly - citing the will not of the people, and not of the public, but of members of the party. But, of course, highlighting the partisan nature of the process only serves to alienate the increasingly large number of Americans who choose to affiliate with neither party, and whose votes will be crucial this fall.

Billy, Lis, Chris and TheraP:

Thank you, as always, for your feedback.

Wow, dude, still no reply? Before, you were so quick?
I hope you can, because I am baffled by the point you seemingly are trying to make:

The primaries aren't really the will of the people, at least not as much as Pelosi wants us to believe.
Of course they aren't the will of ALL people, we'd have to hold guns to their heads and force them to go vote ... ! ;) Okay, humor for a little humor there.

For that matter, why not equal criticism of the republican primaries? The "winner takes all" system is CLEARLY not really democratic, it favours the big name candidates, and the early frontrunner. It's more efficient, but so were the nazis in exterminating the jews, so efficiency is not always a good thing.

What you're saying only favours Clinton. I don't hear you about changing the rules mid-race, which she wants ...

Also, this might be besides the point, since more and more Democrat leaders are saying that they'll follow the pledged delegates.


rgrds,
CEO

I'm sorry but this seems utter nonsense.

Enfranchisement
"Voters can only cast ballots if they are registered as Democrats. Or if they switch their registration to become Democrats. Or if they are unaffiliated, but not if they are enrolled in another party. Or as long as they don't vote in the other party's elections."
And this you think is a MESS? This is the simple fact of life that if you have a rule, you have exceptions, there's nothing messy about that. This rule and it's exceptions and amendments is NOT ambiguous, which is what rules have to live upto.
What's your beef, that its too complicated? Welcome to world.

And pray do tell which voters are not eligible? So Puerto Ricans and Samoans can't vote in November, so what? Via the primaries they DO have influence.

I stand by my earlier point, which is that you apperantly want republicans to vote in Democrat primaries. That is deeply lacking of intelligence.

Federalism
To have different systems in different states, yah so it wouldn't be my choice either, but that's historically grown that way in America, amongst other reasons. In Europe we have this too, we call it subsidiarity, which basically is the rule that we shouldn't try to regulate/organize at high/general level that what can be regulated/organized more efficiently at a local/country level.
I don't see the problem here, for all i care they do it via applause meter or a raising fo hands, as long as its transparent and controllable.

You have really failed to explain why the primaries are NOT democratic and DON'T express the will of the public.
Not even Clinton is saying that.

I must question your reasons for doubting this.

More to the point, some States (like Texas, for example) DO allow Republicans to vote in the Primary. Sure, your card is stamped "Democrat" and you're not allowed to vote in the Republican primary, but nothing is stopping a Republican to vote (or even caucus for!) Hillary, and then vote for McCain in the General.

The problem is, all these rules are decided by the States. Therefore, they are NOT inherently "fair", as each system is different.

In the caucus we voted for a National Primary Day for the Democratic Party. This too will have flaws, but at least every voter would have the same process and choices. (The downside, of course, is that small states would be ignored. Fine for me, I live in Texas, but I'm not sure Iowa would like it).

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CEO:

I'll break my usual rule of thumb, which is to ignore any poster who resorts to reductio ad hitlerum in his arguments, and offer a brief reply.

The point of this posting was not to assess the relative strength of the Democratic and Republican primary systems. What I was attempting to point out is that, as the contest is presently constructed, there is no single measure of success that is without significant flaws. I try to be intellectually honest in my posts; it is not my goal to marshall every argument, no matter how tendentious, in support of a candidate. Rather, I am attempting to shed some light on the process itself, and to impart to my readers a healthy skepticism of outsize claims, irrespective of who makes them.

Alas, I lack the eloquence or the skill to make that point in a manner that reaches every reader. Clearly, I have failed to convince you that even if some systems of assessing the will of the people may be superior to others, none of the means at our disposal in the present contest is without significant flaws. I regret that. All I can do is urge you to take off the partisan glasses through which you apparently view the world. Go back and re-read the post, without trying to figure out which candidate its arguments favor. Just take the arguments on their own terms. That's how I offer them.

I'll break my usual rule of thumb, which is to ignore any poster who resorts to reductio ad hitlerum in his arguments, and offer a brief reply.

Okay, so you resort to name calling now? You accuse me of playing the nazi-card? Where did i do that? Where did I state that your arguments are invalid because republicans have used those same arguments? As per your own link. I've assumed that you have used the Reps as nazis in this instance.

Alas, I lack the eloquence or the skill to make that point (...)
It seems you also lack a thorough understanding of fallacious reasoning.

OR?

Please, do explain yourself.

Listen, I'll be the first to acknowledge it if I was wrong. If you find my wordings harsh, sorry.
But don't call me names. Unbecoming for someone who claims cool and detached reasoning skills.

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You wrote, in a post above: "It's more efficient, but so were the nazis in exterminating the jews, so efficiency is not always a good thing."

I rather think that speaks for itself.

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The problem is to assemble enough electoral votes to win the election with the fewest deviations from large D principles.

The winner take all feature of the Republican primaries resembles that of the Electoral College and may give them an edge in choosing a candidate who can win but it is not small d democratic.

So we Democrats allow more people who identify with the party to vote even if they are in locations such as DC which have no role in the Electoral College.

We try to limt participation in primaries to those who identify with Democratic (large D) principles but since some states require open primaries and since voters can if they wish shift their registrations for either good or nefarious reasons, the results remmain problematic if viewed simply as a lens for what Democrats want.

The superdelegates have more legitimacy than the above post would indicate: more people have voted for them and have ofen approved of their judgment over time and the eleced representatives
have more information on how the candidates will perform with respectto both policy and politics.
For example, his fellow Senators have more information as to whether Sen. McCain's temper get in the way of his accomplishing things or not.
The elected super-delegates are the insiders the general population decides to re-elect and many more people vote in those elections than even in thee high turn out primaries.

The members of the DNC and the state parties are a different situation: they are elected by that very tiny portion of the population who choose to be politically active in a party -- in pracice this often means that the slate is selected by the relevant elected official. THere are the people who do a lot of the work in getting politicians from one party elected in a particular state. If they are not with you, they can go home.

The judgement of the electorate varies over time -- a candidate may start out strong and fade badly-- if that candidate amassed a majority of the pledged delegates before the fade and current polls indicate that the other candidate is now much more popular should the superdelegates be able to use their votes to chose the candidate who is now popular?

What if the sistuation is that the candidate who is most popular has almost all of New York voters and the California voters but the rest of his voters are so spread out that he is certain to lose the Electoral College while the other with less voteres has his voters so distributed that an Electoral Colllege win is extremely likley? These scenarios are indeed possible.

I have seen national level polls comparing the candidates - I have not seen state by state polls which would reveal which candidate might be more successfull in asssembly the requisite Electoral College vote.

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