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Does it smell like condescension in here?
Did anyone else get a whiff of self-satisfied schadenfruede?
I found the source. It was a conservative who came to visit us over here at TPM. I thought I'd share the exchange I had with him/her:
"OxyConservative" sez:
I'm surprised the Clinton campaign let Obama off the hook for stealing Deval Patrick's speech. Obama didn't just steal Patrick's speech...he's stolen Patrick's entire campaign! Which speaks to the authenticity and genuineness of Obama's campaign, rhetoric and message.
Posted by OxyConservative
The people of Massachusetts voted for Deval Patrick's campaign/message in 2006, but when they saw Obama running the same campaign with the same message two years later, they thoroughly rejected it. They were played for suckers once and wised up.
Most people usually catch on to a snake oil salesman. Unfortunately for Democrats, they look like they aren't going to catch on fast enough. But the rest of the country will in time for the general election.
And on another note, Obama (along with Deval Patrick) promises all of this magic change, which leads to the following questions. Just what has Deval Patrick "changed" for the better in Massachusetts in his two years there? And what, if anything has Obama ever "changed" for the better in his entire life?
The only "change" I have ever seen Obama accomplish is that his campaign (Deval Patrick's really) has changed alot of Clinton supporters into insane, rabid, foaming at the mouth Clinton haters.
February 19, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's my reply:
Ah, OxyConservative. How nice of you to come visit us at our neighborhood.
"...Obama promises all this magic change..."
"...And what, if anything has Obama ever "changed" for the better in his entire life?"
You're not interested in respectfully asking questions are you? And you have no idea what Obama has accomplished because you're really not interested in finding out, are you?
Well, I have the information, so I'll offer it to you anyway.
First, let's look at your criticism of Obama's (in)authenticity: Deval Patrick and Barack Obama have been friends for more than an decade, and their political beliefs are very similar. They've openly admitted this -- they've also openly admitted to "borrowing" from each other during political campaigns. See for yourself in the Boston Globe article dated April 16, 2007:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/16/patrick_obama_campaigns_share_language_of_hope/Now, I haven't followed the career of Deval Patrick as Massachussetts Governor, but I do know a little about Barack Obama's accomplishments. The most thorough research and information gathering on this subject I've been able to find has been at Obsidian Wings. Enjoy:
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/02/obama-actually.html
It's wearing thin, the "what has he done except talk?" question, OxyConservative. It's becoming obvious that people who continue to ask it simply aren't willing to listen to the response.
"Most people usually catch on to a snake oil salesman." It seems you and I agree about that. I believe Americans are generally fair-minded, sensible people. They catch on when the doubts and accusations raised by people like you just don't make sense anymore.
Posted by laurajordan
February 19, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Comments (2)
Why bother. Remember that most of those people saying that Obama is "snake oil salesman" are the same people who actually believed all the lies falling from Bush's mouth and voted for him. Some of them even fell for it twice even with the lies exposed. Those people and their opinions have no credibility. At least Sen. Obama has actual achievements he strove for, unlike our current prez, who couldn't even run an oil company (in Texas!) or a baseball team.
February 19, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I recall, Reagan said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." And that's all he did. Talk is pretty much all Reagan did. That's what leaders do. They talk, and when they're inspirational and visionary, others follow and do the manual work.
I mean we don't remember how many French knights Henry V personally killed on St Crispin's Day, we remember the speech he gave that inspired 300 starving, diarrhetic Welshmen to stand their ground.
Anyway I just wanted to say idiots like this guy are giving conservatism a bad name. I'm a TRUE conservative. Bush does not represent me. Tom Coburn does not represent me. Or Limbaugh. These guys are rightwing reactionaries.
It's because I'm a conservative that I am drawn to Obama. Someone needs to rescue conservatism from the wingnuts and Obama is the only person proposing to do it. And I just want to tell HRC, Matthews, the rest, that it's Obama's rhetoric, by which he expresses his ideas and vision, that's drawing me to him. Not his resume. Not bills with his name on them.
February 19, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
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