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Bloomberg alleges fraud in NY primary vote
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02202008/news/regionalnews/mike_claims_vote_fraud_98436.htm
Anyone one have a thought on this? I had assumed that the discrepancies were errors, as the papers presented them. But Bloomberg is not the kind of guy to throw charges like this around lightly.
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Comments (8)
I was hoping for something a bit more substantial. It'll be interesting to see if it has legs.
February 20, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Genghis:
It's a political ploy. Bloomberg justifiably regards the Board of Elections as a truly incompetent bureaucracy, riven by political feuds, and staffed by the worst sort of partisan hacks. He thinks if he can gain control, he could clean things up, and make the elections run smoothly. And he's correct on all accounts.
The poll workers in NYC are poorly trained. With the dearth of Republicans, and the requirement that each site be staffed by a member of each party, there's a remarkable population of Harlem retirees who register with the GOP so that they can cash in every election day. That's just one example of how partisanship screws up the process. There are a host of others.
So Bloomberg alleges fraud, seizing on what's almost certainly just gross ineptitude to make his case for mayoral control. But here's the problem with that argument. Although Bloomberg might be the sort of technocrat unlikely to abuse such authority, the same cannot be said of all NYC mayors. Can you imagine what elections would have looked like in the Big Apple if Rudy Giuliani had direct control of the electoral machinery? It gives me the willies just to think about it.
February 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks genghis. I've been hoping this story gains more traction, and hopefully this will help draw attention to NYC's disenfranchised voters.
February 20, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Voter fraud?" Hillary Clinton received zero votes in several precincts too, with Obama receiving all the votes. So did both Clinton and Obama operate fraudulent voting practices in the precincts?
February 20, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been following this story heavily, and have nothing on Hillary getting zero in any precinct. Please back that up with some data or an article.
February 20, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems to me if you had been "following the story heavily" you might have read the article in the same paper Genghis links to - let me quote the money paragraph: NYP, 2/16/08 Otis
"As yet none of the results have been certified but a ballot by ballot canvassing of all voting machines has begun...Many of the mistakes were chalked up to human error and some Clinton tallies were wrong as well. In several congressional districts she was shown as having received zero votes when in fact she got hundreds, Boe said."
And to Gary, it sure as hell is the point - the headlines are skewed to Obama as the victim and Clinton as the perpetrator and it is disingenuous to pretend that is not the case. This should really play well in the general election - democrats commit voter fraud, co-incidentally at the same time Harper's magazine publishes an expose of the U.S. dept. of Justice's evisceration of voting rights enforcement and the administration's bogus voter fraud "investigations" and prosecutions of dems for "voter fraud." Do you think maybe Bloomberg might be giving the U.S. justice dept. and his buddy Mukasey a little damage control help here?
If both dems are materially damaged by the voting machines then I doubt that the issue is "voter fraud" don't you?
Nice deflection on Bloomberg's side, though, isn't it? None of the responsiblity and the cause is the democratic party's fraud, not the board of election's obvious incompetence. This isn't about Bloomberg's "political gain" this is about Bloomberg staving off criticism and blame.
February 20, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what if Hillary received zero votes as well.
That's not the point.
The 2000 election was riddled with voter fraud. Watch this startling video of the programmer testifying how he did it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-YXvxYbck&feature=related
The point is we want fair elections.
If Bloomberg wants to bring attention to something for political gain, fine.
If it will help keep elections fair, so what if he raises the issue for the wrong reasons.
February 20, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally had a chance to review my own post. I hate it when works gets in the way of my TPM time. A little research shows that as usual, flyonthewall is correct. Bloomberg's battle to reform the board of elections has been going on for a while. Here's an article about it from last november:
http://blogs.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/2768
And in January, the mayor said:
http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.c0935b9a57bb4ef3daf2f1c701c789a0/index.jsp?pageID=mayor_press_release&catID=1194&doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fom%2Fhtml%2F2008a%2Fpr018-08.html&cc=unused1978&rc=1194&ndi=1Here's a more complete article about his post-election comments:
http://gothamist.com/2008/02/20/bloomberg_calls.phpPortrayed this way, it doesn't sound like he's knows something but is rather trying to score political points in order to establish his objective of election board reform, as fly suggests.
I of course agree with fly that the elections shouldn't be under mayoral control, but is that what he's proposing? I would think it should be an independent organization affiliated with the state. Here's what wikipedia has to say about the NYC board of elections:
This does sound to me like a strange way to run elections. Why is there a separate board for the city in the first place?
And for the record, this is not, for me, an Obama-Clinton thing. There were indeed discrepancies both ways, as BevD points out, and besides, the number of affected votes is not sufficient to impact the convention.
February 20, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
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