Holy Rush Limbaugh, Batman!

Those are some seriously juvenile right-wing talking points right there!

But wait a second. I thought HRC was vetted. Battle-tested. Cool under pressure. Ready on day one. Unflappable.

What we are seeing is a very complicated woman fighting the public's alarming rejection of her delusions. She is not going to be President. Not now, not ever. She is starting to understand that. And unfortunately, this is how she's going about accepting it. There will be more thrashing, then there will be conciliations.

Maybe.

Yeah, it's over. I personally think she's actually attempting to draw the ire of the media in the hopes of getting a New Hampshire type rebound. It's not like she doesn't realize that these types of comments are being made in front of cameras or anything.

Yes - b/c mocking a very real historical moment & Obama's supporters in the same breath -- b/c you can't wrap your mind or your campaign around it & seem to have taken the train to the wrong side of history -- has worked so well thus far.

She continues to miss the salient point that throwing red-meat to her die-hards w/out even bothering to try to understand the change of the political landscape is why she's lost the last 11 contests & her so-called base-numbers are slipping at best and shifting at worst.

You need to be connecting w/ the people you lost. Hello - out there?!? The demos that you're losing to him won't come back by being insulted for their choice - you have to first recognize that you're losing for a reason - not just that the people are stupid and will buy 'pie in the sky' - there's a reason he's resonating. These are the voters you need to try to speak to.

Thanks for letting me know that my ears were not betraying me.

"You're not going to wave a magic wand and have the special interests disappear."

That's true, Hillary. You won't, but not just because you won't be elected. You have no intention of doing so in any case.

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008

She mocked Obama, and all of his supporters by implication. I hope she's prepared to help out somehow in the fall when McCain runs this video against Obama over and over, and Clinton has to explain "what she really meant."

If any Clinton supporters wondered just what Obama was talking about when he mentions bringing "change" to D.C., it's promising an end to politics like that clip shows. What a disgrace.

There is a lot wrong with the way we select presidential candidates -- it's too expensive, goes on too long, leaves public officials unable to do their 'real' work, etc. However, and perhaps the only saving grace, it does allow us to see how the various candidates deal with daily pressure and stress. You know, the sort of stuff they will have to deal with if they wind up being elected. I'm very glad that we are witnessing this -- well, this "disintegration" -- during the primary season and not after January 2009. I would hate to think that I could ever become nostalgic from the "placid wrongness" of the Bush administration ... but this could possibly do it!

All someone has to do is link together videos from Thurs night (concilaitory statesman), Saturday (shrill scold), and today (way over the top sarcastic 'comedianne') and .. well surely she did something on Friday. Toss in the one clearthinker posted from last week (inspiring hope) Then ask voters if they want to "roll the dice" to find out WHO they will get if she's elected. This is sad. Very sad.

Pathetic.

TM ..... when male politicians who are acting nutty (and, trust me, they DO!!) are greeted with comments like "so-and-so has his testosterone out of whack", then comments like yours will be tolerable. There are many, many professional women who do just fine ... right through PMS and other unique-to-their-sex physical conditions.

And in this case you are really diminishing and trivializing the pretty startling characterological problems inherent in her behavior.

Oh. My. God. She mocked him. Quick! Call out the etiquette police. Let me get you some smelling salts. In fact better make it a box of smelling salts, its obvious you all will be needing them after the convention. In Nov. I'll vote for who ever wins the democratic nomination, most likely Obama. I'm used to holding my nose on election day. I'll be mocking him as he takes the oath of office.

Unless something like this happens, "... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama"

Grow up. This has still been the nicest primary contest that I remember.

The battle for the presidency is an emotional battle.

So is having your finger on the nuclear button.

There are already people on the Dem side about McCain and his temper. How is this any different?

What you are witnessing in that tape is HRC acting *unpresidential*. First and foremost. This is a serious issue. It's not even a gaffe or a misstatement or stutter. It's a deliberate act born of frustration. That would be okay if she were entertaining her staff in private to blow off some steam. But this was in a public forum.

Simply, not acceptable public behavior for a president.

Second: it shows a hypocrisy that is outrageous. I have linked in a video on this thread showing her doing a mantra chant of "Yes, we will". Watch the two vids together.

Hillary's "changed her hairstyle so many times now, she don't know what she looks like." To paraphrase from David Burns. (Look it up.)

Talk about shouting out rhetoric!

And what's worse, HRC seems out of step, as if she doesn't understand that these videos will become viral. I was privileged to get a peek at an email from Chelsea to her mother on this topic:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/02/email-from-chelsea.php

Tell Fonzie he can stand down, the shark has been jumped.

(And just for the record, when *this motherfucker starts talking, Yeah, the heavens open up, what's it to ya?)

*Barack Obama

I voted for Obama but wasn't offended by her remarks. I expect candidates to attack their opponents even within the primaries within limits and that was true of those comments .

Essentially she attacked him for being naive with the implication that will make him ineffective. Reasonable questions for her to raise. If made in straightforward language they would not only have been acceptable but would have done us a favor by forcing us to consider whether the Republicans will roll him. Since his position beginning with his convention speech is , by implication , that it's possible to work with the opposition , it's fair for HRC to ask whether that makes sense.

Unfortunately , she did herself a disservice with her tone. It will have created some enthusiasm among her supporters but among the uncommitted I think she will have sounded ,yes , non presidential. If raised in a serious manner
her concerns would have deserved to be taken seriously. As she did it , she undercut herself by seeming shrill and as if she were attacking his personal characteristics rather than exploring a possible danger in his political style.

Conversely it also raised the question whether she is in fact not too "feminine" but too macho. Brad Delong described her mis-handling of the Health Care task force during which she fiercely rejected serious concerns raised from within the Administration and belittled potential allies to the extent of turning them into opponents.

Flavius, I think you closed with an excellent point. It has been my contention all along that the "too macho" issue is the real underpinning of her AUMF/Kyl-Lieberman votes. She knows Democrats get tagged with "soft on terror/soft on national security" and she didn't want to be tagged with that sticker and the "well, she's a woman, so..." sexist sticker. I think she felt compelled to stand up with the hardest of the hard-liners to escape that. It's the double-egged sword of needing to appear tough enough to "hang with the big boys..." (The same goes for the "vodka drinking in Europe" story.) As a male feminist, it's just too much for me to stomach. It's a setback as far as the big picture goes...

I think that really goes to the "heart" of it. Hillary is so worried about how she will be percieved. As such, her decisions to "look tough" to not be percieved as soft on terror lead to some ghastly decisions. Already in this campaign she has been twisted and reinvented by well meaning, but obviously clueless campaign advisers. She comes across as Sybil. You never know what personality she is going to take on today.

By contrast, Obama is the epitomy of consistency. He is a cool, rational, intelligent thinker who has run an amazingly organized and successful campaign built from the bottom up. You can see who is in the drivers seat. His whole campaign is run by his ethics and his direction.

The choice for America couldn't be more clear.

Crowds? George McGovern had huge crowds in 1972, but Nixon blew him away.

Obama had people waiting in line for hours in MA, but lost by 16 points.

Some people are too busy working to go to big rallies.