Are you saying that they are only winding us up against Obama or Clinton to get us to vote McCain, yes, you are----well, then, there might be a particularly nasty breed of democrats doing the same kind of thing, to get people to vote either Obama or Clinton. In fact now that I think on it, I've probably exchanged replies with some of them. For just this morning, on another site, I got so hot that I was going to switch to Hillary. Yes! It was one of THEM, that particularly nasty breed of democrat. Let's be honest: it is going on on both sides, full steam. As for Allsburg's warning about people whose profiles show no activity before early March, well, I never even started posting until early March---in my entire life. So I guess that makes me a suspect? In just 3 weeks I have seen things I wish I'd never seen; I didn't know that such hate even existed.
I started visiting these sites to learn, and grow, and debate, and all I got was utter hate and nastiness. What a sorry state of affairs!

Posted at March 19, 2008 5:47 AM in response to The Clinton Trolls have Arrived

Then please go do them, rather than trying to scare people by talking about 'electronic footprints'. You will have Allsburg thinking that YOU are a troll or spy.

Posted at March 19, 2008 5:32 AM in response to The Clinton Trolls have Arrived

Look at this thread!!! Look at5 what we are talking about! The issues? There is something wrong---on every site. And I don't think it's trolls and plants and spies. There might be some, yes, but not near as many as people are implying. Can you imagine what Obama and Clinton and McCain would make of all this? And what if people in other countries read all the crap on all the sites: the threats, the insults, the intimidation, I could just die. I am in the UK and some friends of mine have looked at 3 or 4 sites and decided Americans are sickos.

Posted at March 19, 2008 5:17 AM in response to The Clinton Trolls have Arrived

I'm not surprised, have you been over there lately? Utter one word against Obama, ask one legitimate question about him, name a little doubt you might have, do anything but fall down and worship him, and you will get absolutely fried---and hounded out. They don't believe in debate. They are militant over there. Nuts, I'd say, and driving people away from Obama.

Posted at March 19, 2008 5:07 AM in response to The Clinton Trolls have Arrived

This sounds paranoid to me, it really does. There are clinton supporters who feel the same way, I'e seen them on other sites saying how they are being persecuted by Obama supporters. Personally, the most vicious posters I have ever seen are, or say they are, Obama supporters. They are so hard with hate you it's a wonder they don't just snap. I don't understand any of it on either side, what ever happened to polite but lively debate? And constructive criticism?

But I do also think that some people are paranoid, talking of plants and spies---this is not normal. It sounds like the old Soviet Union or something.

Posted at March 19, 2008 5:00 AM in response to The Clinton Trolls have Arrived

But I am not uncomfortable when I say that one of the signs of cultism is staging vicious verbal attacks on anyone who levels the smallest criticism of Obama or who raises the smallest, legitimate question about Obama. This goes on on political websites---I haven't seen it here, thank God---and it is getting worse. The refusal to hear anything negative about him, is disturbing. Disturbing, and so anti-democratic that anyone this intolerant calling himself a democrat, is laughable. If it is not a cult, it will soon be one, if the saner elements in it fail to do something about the extremists.
It hurts Obama and should be stamped out---yesterday.

Posted at March 18, 2008 11:06 AM in response to When Fox Attacks Obama: Take Action

I hope the action you take will be peaceful. If it isn't, then even if your taking it gets him the nomination, it will never get him the presidency. The country will remember how he got it and vote ABO (anyone but Obama). Also, this: I've seen entries on these kinds of sites---not on this particular one---that are about sending letters to Pelosi and Dean and Brazile et al, saying that if Obama doesn't get the nomination, there will be trouble. This from the same people who howl about Hillary bullying the party to get the nomination. I just hope everyone understands what's at stake. Namely, everything.

Posted at March 18, 2008 10:45 AM in response to Enough Is Enough!

I agree. The idea that if someone is a jerk he can never state a fact, is absurd. Andrew Sullivan did a piece on the Clinton's last week that was swimming with facts and sharp analysis; a lot of people who can't stand him, dismissed the thing all for that. Even a congential liar can tell the truith now then, though by accident. I do think this piece is a bit strong, but some of it mirrors some doubts I've been having about Obama. I am espcially concerned abgout his dumping his pastor, for that is what any ruthless politican would do and Obama is supposed to be The Different One. Very bad move on his part, also, it suggests lack of loyalty. I do not like that in a president.

Posted at March 18, 2008 10:29 AM in response to "Barack Obama and The Audacity of Deception"

I call it the politics of hate. Until I began visiting political websites, I didn't know such hate existed. TPM doesn't as hateful as two others I have visited. Or hateful at nall. I've been doing this for just a fortnight. When I began, I supported Obama. Now I don't for I can't. I will have to vote Hillary. He has to know about the viciousness and the militancy and he ought to do something about it, even if it's just a comment or two in a speech or in a blog. One thing I know. If the country, in the main, starts associating these kinds of people with Obama, right or wrong, Obama will never be president. The country, in the main, does not like militancy and it abhors vicious militancy. I think your blog is spot-on and I hope it will make a difference.

Posted at March 18, 2008 9:40 AM in response to How to hurt Obama

Vehement posts. You've been lucky. The ones I've seen are vicious.

Posted at March 18, 2008 9:24 AM in response to How to hurt Obama