Wilson was sent BY the CIA on BEHALF of the US government, because they were responding to a request by Cheney. Why are you trying to make that into a lie? Are you saying that when the CIA sends someone on a mission it is for the CIA only -- (like they are their own entity or a private company), and not for our government -- our country? What is the matter with you?

I would have no problems with Wilson stating that he was sent on behalf of the government, period. However, when he tries to nix the CIA out of the equation by stating that he was not sent on behalf of the CIA, then that's when you start getting into misleading territory.

Wilson was sent on behalf of the CIA and the government. Was Wilson sent on behalf of INR? No. Was Wilson sent on behalf of the State Department? No. Was Wilson sent on behalf of the OVP? No. Was Wilson sent on behalf of the CIA? Yes. Was Wilson sent on behalf of the USG in general? Yes.

Thus, stating unequivocally that he was not sent on behalf of the CIA is a lie. 

What if Wilson was sent by the Boy Scouts of America and still found out that the Bush/Cheney regime had lied to get us in to a bogus war that would benefit their cronies in mutlimillions of dollars?

In what way did Wilson find out on his trip that Bush/Cheney had lied? 

Why are you continuing to flog the dead horse about who sent him, when the facts about his findings are true, and every single "fact" that Bush, Condosleeza, and their merry crew have provent to be false?

I could ask you why Larry Johnson, Joe Wilson, and Valerie Plame continue to mislead about the basic facts of this story. Quite correct that many of the "facts" that the administration presented before the war have turned out false. Yet Joe Wilson also said that Iraq had WMDs. So did Al Gore. So did Hillary Clinton. So did everyone. Why? They were repeating what the CIA had conveyed to them. So did the Bush administration. Yet you make one set out to be liars, while the rest are not. Another logical fallacy. 

Why do you claim to be a truth seeker and yet you ignore the most important truth of all --> young men and women from our country are being sacrificed for NOTHING except greed

The majority of Iraqis say that removing Saddam Hussein was worth it. Talk about being a "truth seeker". Sigh. 

Iraqis hate us for occupying their country and ushering in Al Qaida (which was NOT there previously) and all kinds of chaos that they never had to deal with before.

Well, that's not what the majority of Iraqis say, but whatever, you've made up your mind. 

You pick apart phrases to show that Wilson or his wife meant something that MUST have been a lie. But you blindly accept the uncountable lies that got us all into this mess. You have no credibility, and you have no honor.

Let's do another exercise.

How many people stated before the war that Iraq had WMDs?

How many people alleged that Joe Wilson was not sent to Niger on behalf of the CIA? 

How many reports did the Intelligence Community write supporting the notion that Wilson was not sent on behalf of the CIA?

How many reports did the IC write supporting the notion that Iraq had WMDs?

Do I need to spoon-feed you the point I am making any further? 

Posted at March 20, 2007 12:09 PM in response to Undercover, Covert, and Classified (Also Hush Hush)

The source document does not state when Cheney read the report. It says:

After reading the DIA report, the Vice President asked his morning briefer for the CIA's analysis of the issue.

From the Libby trial, we got access to the briefing report, which states:

“Tasking: The VP was shown an assessment (he thought from DIA) that Iraq is purchasing uranium from Africa. He would like our assessment of that transaction and its implications for Iraq’s nuclear program. A memo for tomorrow’s book would be great.”

Briefing date: February 13, 2002. So, it is actually you who are misinformed, dear sir (or madam). I suggest you get at least SOME of your information from source documents. It might prevent you from looking like a sheep's behind. Or like Larry Johnson's robot:

On a chilly Tuesday morning almost five years ago, February 12, 2002, Dick Cheney’s CIA briefer arrived with a piece of finished intelligence that set in motion a series of events that exposed the identity of a CIA undercover officer, destroyed a CIA front company and compromised its various assets, and sent Scooter Libby to trial for perjury and obstruction of justice.

Larry Johnson, February 3, 2007. Egad, Larry Johnson wrong again? What ever will you do? How about you read the source documents that you claim to be reading, eh?

Posted at March 20, 2007 11:53 AM in response to Undercover, Covert, and Classified (Also Hush Hush)

The CIA only acknowledges that Plame worked for them as of 2002

Qualify that statement, and do Johnson a favor. Thanks. 

You need to learn to read for comprehension. 

See, it's not that I don't comprehend Larry's fabrications, it's that, well, they're fabrications. You need to learn how to be a critical thinker and make sure that things you read are supported by evidence, facts, or proof. Or is it your view that everything Larry Johnson writes is immediately the truth? 

Posted at March 20, 2007 11:28 AM in response to Undercover, Covert, and Classified (Also Hush Hush)

The rogue operation idea was just one of several not so smart ideas to come out of the Vice-President's office. It's called disassociating from the crime, diluting the message or spreading the blame.

Actually, that isn't true. They were told that Wilson's wife was involved in the trip, and that is what they related to others. Specifically Armitage called the trip a "boondoggle" I do believe. Did he work in the OVP? And does boondoggle = rogue operation? 

What I want to know, however, is when did the CIA go to strictly legitimate "missions", and rogue operations fall into such disrepute?

Around the same time the USG outlawed carrying out assassinations. I also get the feeling that you are conflating "rogue operations" with "covert operations", hardly the same thing. 

You have rattled on and on about this like the energizer bunny.

Yes, I have, and that is because Larry Johnson made it up and won't answer any questions about it, nor will he provide any evidence to support his fabrication. You seemingly don't care too much about that. 

If you already know that the senior part of CIA Customer Cervice has said that they are all out of quarter pounders, but you need one for your urgent advertising campaign, you might call the person that normally only does milkshakes, and give that person an important assignment to be on the lookout for any connection between uranium and hamburgers.

So they went straight from George Tenet to a junior officer of Plame's unit? One would have thought they might have called Plame before they called her junior officer. Or Plame's superior. Alas, we'll never know since Plame won't even prove that the phone call actually took place. Something you also don't seem to care anything about. 

Has it ever crossed your giant sized ego that if you were at all on the right track, your pardners in Congress would not let you fight this fight alone? They are not known as the silent types.

It took senators months to accuse George Galloway of perjury, perjury I pointed out to everyone within 24 hours after Galloway dropped it, which even the counsel to the PSI thanked me for. So let's just say that I'm not holding my breath, especially since there seems to be a higher threshold for perjury to the Senate than to a court of law.

Posted at March 20, 2007 11:24 AM in response to Undercover, Covert, and Classified (Also Hush Hush)

Oh, out of luck there I'm afraid, Larry Johnson already trashed them all.

Posted at March 20, 2007 11:13 AM in response to Undercover, Covert, and Classified (Also Hush Hush)

Superfluous use of swear words indicate anger, frustration, or lack of control. Maybe Larry is one of those guys who has a really, really short fuse ( I surely wouldn't doubt it), but that's just it: why is he getting so worked up over simple questions unless he is frustrated by having to answer them?

How could Larry Johnson know? How did Larry Johnson know that Valerie Plame was supposedly a GS-13 at the CIA? He was the only person to ever claim such a thing, but was off the mark a bit since Waxman said she was GS-14. Larry Johnson is a personal friend of the Wilsons. A simple, "Hey Val, why did the OVP call your junior officer," would suffice, no?

The point I was getting at was that it seems almost completely unlikely that anyone at the OVP called a junior officer at the CIA, about anything. Larry knows this, so instead of admitting that the story Plame told sounded odd, or ask her about it, he swears and cusses and bans me from his blog.

Posted at March 20, 2007 11:11 AM in response to Undercover, Covert, and Classified (Also Hush Hush)

Wait, wait, wait. You don't want to list his "perfectly valid" accusations? Why not? It is because, oh I don't know, all of them were false? Haha! June 14, 2003. EPIC. Joe Wilson, claiming he was not sent on behalf of the CIA.

Posted at March 20, 2007 11:04 AM in response to Undercover, Covert, and Classified (Also Hush Hush)

It's also why there is so much effort to portray the Wilson trip as a rogue operation, not in response to OVP.

What? Wilson portrayed his mission as sanctioned by the State Department and the OVP, that they had full knowledge of it. A mission undertaken by the CPD at the CIA could under no circumstances be portrayed as a "rogue operation". This is projection because the Wilsons did precisely the opposite.

OVP probably hoped CIA would come to him with a report on who were believers and who weren't. 

Which is equally as substantiated and likely as saying that the OVP hoped the CIA would bring back double quarter pounders from McDonalds. 

The last thing they wanted was more facts, thus the trip was in no way responsive to the unspoken but heavily implied desire of OVP.

Ah yes, the las thing they wanted was more facts, which is exactly why Cheney asked his CIA briefer to go get him more information. He was doing that whole reverse psychology thing, I bet. 

Yet another reason for Plame's staffer to be upset--OVP wants info, but what kind? Truth about Niger, or personnel info about who's with and who's against?

So not only do we take an unsubstantiated claim of a phone call at face value, we use it to wildly speculate crazy shit that not even Plame has dared concoct. You are simply amazing. 

It also doesn't matter if LJ was inconsistent--he's not on trial, or testifying to Congress.

Yeah, who cares if Larry Johnson is lying his ass off? It's not like you're relying on him, or his friends the Wilsons, for anything. Lying only matters under oath, duh.

The moral rationalizing of the Left faced with the "truth" being lies. I should go make some popcorn, this is entertainment bar none.

Posted at March 19, 2007 4:09 PM in response to Undercover, Covert, and Classified (Also Hush Hush)

There is a difference between "recommending her husband to go to Niger to find out about the yellowcake" (executive decision) and "recommending her husband for the job of going to Niger" (Worker suggestion following an executive decision)

Back up the mentally impaired bus. How are these two different? Did she recommend her husband for the job or not? Larry first said she did, then when Plame changes her story before Congress, Larry pretends he never said it. Now you're rolling in the filth together with him pretending that two congruent statements are anything but that.

I marvel at the willingness of people to defend a man that slanders his debate opponents by comparing them to gay sheep. 

Posted at March 19, 2007 3:58 PM in response to Undercover, Covert, and Classified (Also Hush Hush)

OK, look.

There are leaks of classified info coming from all parts of the government every single damn day. Quit being a naive moron and deal with the reality of that. Now, none of these folks knew that Plame's occupation was classified information. Thus, why would they suspect anything worth investigating had occurred? Armitage was spilling classified information to Bob Woodward in his interview, lots more than just Plame's details. Were they supposed to investigate Armitage for this?

Before you answer that question, answer this one: have you read any of Bob Woodward's books?

If so, you may want to be careful in how you answer the other question.

Posted at March 19, 2007 3:55 PM in response to Undercover, Covert, and Classified (Also Hush Hush)