The Great Decoupling Of Corporate Profits From Jobs
Second-quarter earnings reports are coming in, and they're making Wall Street smile. Corporate profits are up. And big American companies are sitting on a gigantic pile of money. The 500 largest non-financial firms held almost a trillion dollars in the second quarter, and that money pile is growing larger this quarter. Profits that plummeted in the recession have bounced back. Big businesses have recovered almost 90 percent of what they lost.
So with all this money and profit, they'll start hiring again, right? Wrong - for three reasons.
First, lots of their profits are coming from their overseas operations. So that's where they're investing and expanding production.
GM now sells more cars in China than it does in the US, but makes most of them there. The company now employs 32,000 hourly workers in China. But only 52,000 GM hourly workers remain in the United States - down from 468,000 in 1970.
GM isn't just hiring low-tech assembly workers in China. Last week the firm broke ground there on a $250 million advanced technology center to develop batteries and other alternative energy sources.
You and I and other American taxpayers still own over 60 percent of GM. We bought GM to save GM jobs, remember?
GM officials say no American taxpayer money is being used to expand in China. But money is fungible. Because of our generosity, GM can now use the dollars it doesn't have to spend in the United States meeting its American payrolls and repaying its creditors, for new investments in China.
Second, big U.S. businesses are investing their cash in labor-saving technologies. This boosts their productivity, but not their payrolls.
Last Friday, for example, Ford reported a $2.6 billion second-quarter profit. The firm is already more than two-thirds the way to equaling its record 1999 profits. But due to labor-saving technologies, Ford now has half as many employees as it did a decade ago.
Wall Street analysts are happy with Ford's "commitment to keeping capacity in check," according to the Wall Street Journal. Ford shares rose 5.2 percent Friday. "Keeping capacity in check" is the Street's way of saying "no new hiring." In fact, the Street is advising investors to sell the stocks of companies that talk openly of expanding capacity.
Finally, corporations are using their pile of money to pay dividends to their shareholders and buy back their own stock - thereby pushing up share prices.
Last Friday, GE announced it would raise its dividend by 20 percent and reinstate its share-buyback plan. It's GE's first dividend increase since the company cut its dividend in early 2009. As a result, GE shares are up more than 5% in the past few days.
Bottom line: Higher corporate profits no longer lead to higher employment. We're witnessing a great decoupling of company profits from jobs.
The next supply-side economist who tells you companies need more incentive (i.e. lower taxes) before they'll hire is living on another planet.
The reality is this: Big American companies may never rehire large numbers of workers. And they won't even begin to think about hiring until they know American consumers will buy their products. The problem is, American consumers won't start buying against until they know they have reliable paychecks.

















Corporate president. Corporate profits.
July 27, 2010 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Glad to see you woke up out of that coma you were in from 1980 until January 2009.
July 27, 2010 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a testament to our business illiteracy that giant companies can make statements like this, unchallenged by the financial press: "GM officials say no American taxpayer money is being used to expand in China."
Okay... do the people covering GM really believe that the company has segregated accounts for "taxpayer money" and "other?"
Even if GM did have such accounts, don't the people covering GM realize that our 60% ownership in the company entitles us to ownership of 60% of all of GM's assets and liabilities, no matter what accounts the money is put into? It means we own 60% of GM's real estate in Detroit AND 60% of GM's real estate in China. To imply otherwise would be to imply that the Treasury's investment was really a joint venture in GM's American operations, which it wasn't.
It's not just that money is fungible, as Professor Reich correctly points out, it's that as 60% owners of the company we are entitled to 60% of its worldwide earnings and to 60% of the value of its worldwide assets minus liabilities should we have to liquidate the darned thing.
We should also be able to run the company in the public's interest. Actually, we can do that we just choose not to for some reason.
July 27, 2010 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who is this "we" you refer to? "We" own 60% of GM? Hardly. The real owners of GM are those who profit from the ownership. That would be the politicians, the bureaucrats, the bankers, etc., but not us. All we do is accept the bills for our children and grandchildren to pay.
July 27, 2010 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think companies/executives are business illiterates. But they think the little people are and will take every opportunity to try to con us.
July 27, 2010 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama just needs to Kick Some Ass
(h/t LisD)
July 28, 2010 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
It would appear that all this concentrated wealth and power is not good for this country.
All the free trade bullshit, deregulation, tax cuts for the wealthy, and consolidation of corporations over the last thirty or forty years has not been good for people in the US, or around the world (stagnant and declining wages, environmental degradation, increasingly unhealthy food systems, etc)
It has been awesome for the elite rich and corporate masters!
Eventually, that pinata of concentrated wealth and power must be burst!
July 27, 2010 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, and when it does, it will be ugly. So be prepared.
July 27, 2010 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
for some people it is all ready ugly
July 27, 2010 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
For most.
July 27, 2010 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps there's no connection, but I can't reconcile the fact that the US is the world's largest economy (3 times larger than its nearest competitor, in fact) while at the same time our large industries are investing and earning and increasing hiring abroad. So what makes our GDP the world's largest?
July 27, 2010 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Defense plants. We make the biggest, baddest and most effective killing machines.
C
July 27, 2010 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
How about Offense plants. Originally the DOD was called the War Department, accurate but hardly conducive to spreading the false message that we're out to 'save' the world for democracy not, as the rest of the world is beginning to get, to exercise our out-of-control imperialism, which of course is the truth.
July 27, 2010 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
pay attention to the man behind the curtain.
the military industrial complex (MIC), while getting the most bang for the buck is slowly shrinking. they have very expensive hardware to sell, but the buyer is having second thoughts. also, as soon as Afghanistan winds down, the USAF and NAVY are going to be hit with some severe personnel cuts. the USAF alone is seeing planes and pilots reduced to drones and console operators - gone are the days of the flying aces. the US military is going lean to the bone. and that means the MIC will be fighting each other over smaller table scraps.
it's all focused on the US leaving the middle east.
July 28, 2010 7:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tax $$$ are really only going for two things: the creation of a permanent American aristocracy and the military needed to defend it.
July 27, 2010 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
How clever. I agree.
Support the Ruling Class.
ex animo
davidfarrar
July 27, 2010 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting link, and although we may be surprised, I suspect that Kagan will help drive the court even more conservative.
Instead of fighting for someone with more progressive/liberal credentials, he took the easy way out, yet again. Not exactly inspiring leadership.
July 27, 2010 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is the best summary of our economy I can recall seeing.
July 27, 2010 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agree
July 27, 2010 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was trying to remember how Wall Street Derivatives and CDAs figure into GDP; didn't quite get the answer, but I found this nice page on the antiquated stylings of GDP, and a new index called Genuine Progress Indicator.
Joseph Stiglitz has been working with Sarkozy to develop a new index that reflects the actual well-being of citizens. Hope we hear more about it.
http://www.progress.org/2005/dodson12.htm
July 27, 2010 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
From a corporate view what is being done is wonderful...they are making boat loads of cash each and every day. From the perspective of America and the American people this sucks. It is like a economic game of musical chairs where the American people are the last person standing. And no one in our government seems to think that this is a problem so I don't expect to see anything other than less American jobs in the future. And when new technologies are developed here by our college graduates those technologies will be put to profit making use employing people in other countries. Not until the living and working standards of the American people are brought down to the level of third world countries will jobs start remaining here. Truth, justice and the capitalist way...
July 27, 2010 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not until the living and working standards of the American people are brought down to the level of third world countries will jobs start remaining here.
this seems to be the goal of many
July 27, 2010 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately I think "many" include many democrats. They were the ones who passed free trade and put it into law heralding it as a huge victory for working Americans. And of course those of us who didn't drink the koolaide realized the path free trade put us on would lead to right where we are today. Right when NAFTA was passed the Dems ceased being liberals and they turned into moderate republicans...
July 27, 2010 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
yes libertine, they must have know we'd end up here. I'm no fucking genius but I've been saying we would end up right where we are today since Reagan became president. If I saw it how could Rhodes scholar Clinton have missed it?
July 28, 2010 4:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well the smart people, and their brains, unfortunately live in a vacuum. They study 'theory' and discount the human factor on probable outcomes. So in theory, like the discussion I had further down thread with man's best friend, free trade should benefit everybody. In the present socioeconomic US we live in you can throw "in theory" right out the window since we know that not to be true. So what do we get out of the newest crop of smart people? Doubling down on Reagan's and Clinton's fairy tail vision for our economy. At least George W. Bush had a clue. He rightly called it "voodoo economics". But once he was gone Clinton picked up Reagan's mantle and ran with it. And the running hasn't stopped since and has actually increased, to a pace Reagan would probably even be impressed with, under Obama. The current administration hearts trickle down...
We had a chance to try to get the economy back on the right track and address the problem of wealth accumulation by the few. Instead of seizing the moment the current administration decided the best course of action was to continue down the same path we've been on for the last 30 years...making even more difficult to change the course we're on.
July 28, 2010 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton didn't miss it - he's dropping $600,000 on dear Chelsea's wedding. That's w/o the pony - but does include $15,000 for porta potties.
July 29, 2010 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
So why isn't GM using it trillion dollars in profits to buy back the 60% share owned by the taxpayer? Since the price of each share has gone up -- is going up, it would stand to reason the taxpayer might actually gain a profit from just such a sale-back.
Whay am I missing?
ex animo
davidfarrar
July 27, 2010 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Since "we" own 60% of GM, why don't "we" simply liquidate the corporation? That would return the money "we" paid for GM back to us owners. We do, of course, have the right to select the board of directors of "our" corporation, don't we? I know the answer, and it is a simple two letter word.
July 27, 2010 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Reich, who was involved in it, conveniently fails to mention that the US government has long had a policy of helping corporations expand their overseas operations, thus increasing productivity and profits to the detriment of US workers and discouraging US employment.
The outsourcing of production and jobs has been done through "free trade," connivance between the US Chamber of Commerce in overseas investment with State Department assistance, burdens on US corporations (e.g. healthcare) which increase US hourly labor costs, licensing difficulties, lack of innovation seed money, focusing research funds on military junk, restrictions against immigration, etc.
Wrong again. Consumers have little to do with it. In response to the US government's policy of discouraging US employment companies have figured out ways to get the job done with the same number or even fewer employees by temping, outsourcing production and services, increasing employee workload, mechanizing and computerizing. There are many ways to avoid hiring people and thus avoid the government's onerous (but well-designed) penalties for hiring.
Don't blame consumers, blame the government operators (like Mr. Reich was). They're pro-business to the core. In other words, follow the money.
Could it be done better? Sure, China does. China GDP increase 2009, 8.7%. US, -2.4%. China puts more emphasis on both employment and innovation, and less on immediate profits.
July 27, 2010 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gasp! There are restrictions against immigration? There certainly aren't any against illegal immigration. Ten million Americans are out of work and eight million illegals are holding jobs we won't do a peanut wages and long hours. Nobody loves our immigration status quo - porous borders and all - than American business.
July 27, 2010 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are restrictions on visas for technically-qualified people.
Regarding field workers and such, no Americans will do stoop labor in the hot sun all day out in an ag field. You don eat lettuce and strawberries, don't you?
July 27, 2010 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don I don't know where you live, but the illegals didn't confine themselves to picking green lettuce where I live. Not much lettuce or strawberries here.
They are also in the construction trades.
My Father taught me a skill, (Carpentry and such) and I too trained my children as generations of American families had done before.
Not all will be educated in college.
Except; the illegal will do it cheaper and people as yourself will say " they do work American workers won't do (THAT CHEAP)
Don the illegal is not here just to pick the green from our fields, they're here to pick the green that would have gone to YOUR billfold.
The money necessary for you and your's to live the dream.
While your sense of moral obligation to the worlds poor, may be commendable; business interests take full advantage of your bleeding heart, all the while they stab you and the immigrants in the back.
While you're stooping to pick up the poor, they're stomping you, all of us under foot.
July 27, 2010 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is it that traps liberals in the socioeconomic reality of 50 years ago?
July 27, 2010 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too much acid?
July 27, 2010 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just a quick interjection about the Ed Schultz Show. When the Arizona Law thing came up, he had a show in which he actually told the truth: that we have to stop all this illegal immigration if we are going to save the livelihood of working class Americans. I did a double take when he took that position (which is "anti liberal" donchaknow). Next show--the very next day--he was singing from the corporate hymnal again about how unjust it is to deny these poor Mexicans a chance to improve their lives by allowing them to take jobs Americans will not do and how it is a Federal Matter etc...blah, blah, blah..
Lesson: every once in a while the MSM has these kinds hick ups, but they are rare
July 28, 2010 1:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Blink. Well, no, that simply isn't true. Perhaps what you mean to say is that there is work Americans won't do below a certain wage. Now, that's just straight orthodox economics that just about everyone agrees on - even the Freshwater school.
So if these heroic entrepeneurs have to subvert the law by hiring illegals rather than offer a market clearing wage . . . aren't they by every rock-ribbed conservative's defintion a failure, and one, moreover, that should be dealt with by the marketplace by having them go out of business?
July 28, 2010 2:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're wrong. Of course there is work that Americans will do below a certain wage, and many of them are now forced to do it. So be friendly to the WalMart greeter.
July 28, 2010 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
This comment makes no sense.
July 29, 2010 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're whipping the wrong horses. Increasing worker productivity has always been with us. It's a GOOD thing because it reduces the cost of goods, which allows people to buy more of them which leads to MORE jobs, not less. Likewise free trade leads to MORE jobs, not less because it opens markets for the goods we produce and creates the demand for those goods. At least, that's the way it's supposed to work.
The problem isn't increasing worker productivity or free trade. The problem is that the normal working of the economy has been subverted by the concentration of wealth at the top, which leads to less wealth for working class people, which, in turn, leads to them buying fewer goods. With a few notable exceptions, the economy has almost always been DEMAND-limited, not supply limited. When the people who provide the demand have less money, the economy suffers and no amount of tax cuts for the wealthy will resuscitate it.
If you want to revive the economy, reverse the concentration of wealth and put more money into the hands of the people who spend it. Do that and free trade and increasing worker productivity will become positive forces.
July 27, 2010 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Free trade was passed in the early 90's so where are all the US jobs? Sure it created jobs...just not here. And what goods are we producing? Our imports dwarf our exports...
July 27, 2010 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The US balance of trade has been negative since 1986. Real wages have been flat since the early 70s. The failure of durable goods manufacturing jobs to recover after a recession began with the 1991-2 recession, well before NAFTA. These are not problems created by free trade or rising productivity. They're a result of concentration of wealth at the top which prevents the economy from behaving as it should. When the top 2% is siphoning money away from everybody else, that's the reason the 98% is poorer, not free trade.
July 27, 2010 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not saying there weren't problems before NAFTA but I stand by my assertion that NAFTA exacerbated those problems when we were told it would fix them. And more free trade is still not the way to fix what economically ails us...as long as the American worker is pitted against workers in other countries, who will gladly take less because their cost of living is so much less, the American worker will continue to see less jobs.
July 27, 2010 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're buying into a common fallacy. More for them means less for us only if the pie stays the same size. But the pie doesn't have to stay the same size. It doesn't matter if imports are increasing as long as the overall demand is increasing at least as fast. Look at it this way: If overall demand is 100 arbitrary units and imports comprise 20% of that demand, that leaves 80 units for domestic production. If overall demand increases by 10% to 110 units and imports increase by the same proportion to 22 units, that still means that the demand satisfied by domestic production has also increased by 10%, which means more jobs. And in fact the benefits are even greater because the increasing job growth in other countries means more demand for our products, so the benefits are even greater.
The problem is that domestic demand growth is being constrained by the wealth available to those that spend it, i.e. the working class. With demand growth crimped, imports wind up comprising an increasing share of demand. But the problem is not really with the imports. It's the crimping of demand caused by the concentration of wealth at the top.
And anyway, if you keep out imports, what you wind up doing is increasing prices for domestic products, which eventually suppresses demand domestically and reduces exports that have to compete with cheaper goods from other countries. You can't solve the basic problem this way.
Reduce the concentration of wealth at the top and none of that other stuff will matter.
July 27, 2010 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL...you are falling for the common falllacy that the bigger the pie the more it will be shared. No my friend, contrary to what has been claimed, a rising tide doesn't lift all boats...sometimes it just swamps people who are left to live in tents on the shoreline.
July 27, 2010 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think what you're saying in no way contradicts the point I made. In fact, it reinforces it. The problem isn't free trade. The problem is that the benefits of free trade are being hoarded by those at the top of the economic scale. Given that, why would you expect cessation of free trade to improve the lot of the middle class? Those at the top will continue to do what they've been doing and the middle class will continue to get squeezed.
Once again, the problem is the concentration of wealth. Free trade has nothing to do with it.
July 27, 2010 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
But it has been part of the problem. It was enacted without the proper mechanisms to prevent further wealth accumulation by those at the top at the expense of everybody below on the wealth scale. The wealthy in the US reap great benefit from what the society they live in provides them...just allowing to reap more profit, and accumulate more wealth with passing laws like NAFTA without assurances that there will be benefits for our economy, isn't going to help with to solve the problem of wealth accumulation by the few.
July 27, 2010 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, let me try again. The problem is that while the size of the pie is growing, the pie isn't being shared properly, so that the benefits of increasing productivity and free trade are being gobbled up by the wealthy and powerful, leaving the middle class stagnant. It seems we both agree on that.
What you're suggesting is that we should not allow the pie to grow since the middle class isn't going to get any benefit. But you're assuming that the wealthy and powerful are not going to continue to accumulate more for themselves, leaving the middle class even worse off than they are now.
The root of the problem is the concentration of wealth, which has nothing to do with free trade. Regardless of whether free trade is allowed or not, the wealthy will, left unchecked, continue to concentrate wealth. We need to address the root problem. The solution is to reverse the concentration of wealth so that the middle class gets its fair share of the benefits. If we do that, rising productivity and free trade will BENEFIT the middle class. If we don't do that, abolishing free trade and stopping productivity growth will just make things worse.
July 27, 2010 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was with you up until this point;
But you're assuming that the wealthy and powerful are not going to continue to accumulate more for themselves, leaving the middle class even worse off than they are now.
I am not making that assumption. I am assuming the wealthy and powerful are going to try to make the pie grow (by expanding operations to other countries at the expense of the rest of us), accumulate more for themselves and leave the middle class worse off than they are now.
But on the need to address wealth accumulation I think we are on the same page. I just don't think it is prudent to allow the wealthy to make the pie bigger until the problem of wealth accumulation is addressed. It puts the cart before the horse...
July 27, 2010 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
good discussion. think I kept up and agree with the point (I think) you're trying to make: it's not the size of the pie that determines the greatest potential progress toward wealth creation, as opposed to wealth accumulation, but rather it's the size of the PIECE of this PIE the middle-class owns, not the size of the pie. Obviously, the size of the pie, as it increases in size will increase the size of the piece (getting hungry) but if the middle-class piece is only say 5% of the total pie, us the 5% will be chasing the wealth carrot for generations as the expanding pie will only create, as we say, chump change, resulting in a limbo-like distinct disadvantage, with little to no leverage. This can be critical as the wealth accumulators decide to make "adjustments" to the whole pie, be it for "national security" reasons or other - at the moment - "necessary determinations". So establishing the size of the piece of the pie before expanding the size of the pie itself must come first. Otherwise the middle-class will be hard put to move past their begger-to-middle-class status. And this, with some exaggeration, is where we are today, hoping to catch the carrot. Unfortunately, hope is not a course of action.
July 29, 2010 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can always join the Army and go fight the wars of empire.
July 28, 2010 1:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
1. That's only one factor.
2. It hasn't worked.
Robert E. Scott:
"Since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was signed in 1993, the rise in the U.S. trade deficit with Canada and Mexico through 2002 has caused the displacement of production that supported 879,280 U.S. jobs. Most of those lost jobs were high-wage positions in manufacturing industries. The loss of these jobs is just the most visible tip of NAFTA's impact on the U.S. economy. In fact, NAFTA has also contributed to rising income inequality, suppressed real wages for production workers, weakened workers' collective bargaining powers and ability to organize unions, and reduced fringe benefits."
July 27, 2010 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Better check that source. The share of employment in manufacturing has been on a no-holds-barred downward spiral since 1943.
At least, that's what the Bureau of Labor Statistics says, and I don't have any reason to think they're wrong.
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Now, if you really want to pay 10% or 40% more for everything sold at Wal-Mart, then you go right ahead with the protectionist agenda.
As for me, I'll stick to the view that screwing the poor family trying to make ends meet by jacking up the cost of living with zero benefits to anyone is a really, really bad idea.
July 28, 2010 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fourth: with the President having declared war on business, they're finding ways to deliver on their objective to the shareholders without extending the liabilities.
Meaning, cost cutting, optimizing production, etc.
Businesses will start hiring when they have confidence in the government policies towards them. There isn't any right now. All the government offers is more pitchforks, an upcoming wave of tax hikes and the cost of Obamacare.
July 27, 2010 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stop it. They were doing that long before Obama took office. They are megalomaniacs who feel it is their birthright to have everything. They will not start hiring again even if they are given everything...they will still be looking to take more.
July 27, 2010 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Everybody knows, if we allow American jobs to be shipped overseas to take advantage of cheap labor, sooner or later, American purchasing power would decline. This should have never been allowed to happen.
I don't mind competing against foreign companies who pay their workers reasonably the same as American workers, and follow the same environmental laws, but selling out the American worker and the environment simply to save a buck, is the real cause of our present dilemma.
ex animo
davidfarrar
July 27, 2010 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep...and if you take away the windfall that the top 10% has reaped the average wage in America has fallen in the last 30 years. But while the cost of things keep rising we are expected to keep on purchasing while our wages do not go up correspondingly to what is being made by management and large shareholders. Add to that more jobs keep being sent overseas and it is not hard to see why we are in the state we are in...
July 27, 2010 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
we are in the state we are in...
Arizona?
They want us to be divided, having us fight for the crumbs. Fighting amongst ourselves presents to many fronts, allowing the enemy to slip away.
I hope Dodd and others like him, do as Judas did after the betrayal.
July 27, 2010 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are such a twit! They don't hire out of charity, they do it because it enables them to make more money. When factors here, like Obama care and rising taxes, make it unattractive to increase production, they don't increase. The elimination of the medicare part D deduction hit business with a multi billion dollar impact. That translates into lost jobs.
July 27, 2010 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course they don't hire out of charity you silly dog. I never said they did, or should. But the claim that the better they do translates into the better their employees do is just plain farcical...they will pay their employees as little as possible even if that means laying off their US employees and sending those jobs abroad.
July 27, 2010 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
What about societal obligations, bulldog.
What happened to them?
July 27, 2010 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Businesses will start hiring when they have confidence in the government policies towards them."
Then why didn't they do any hiring during the Bush years? Did George W. Bush "declare war on business" too? Or were the captains of industry so fearful of a job-and-growth-killing Obama presidency that they stopped hiring way back in 1999-2000?
July 27, 2010 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
They didn't do any hiring in the Bush years? I guess that's why there were over 2 million jobs added in 2004. And again in 2005 and 2006. They didn't stop hiring way back in 1999/2000.
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001&output_view=net_1mth
July 27, 2010 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think you understand what "net" means, moron.
If you're such a big fan of George Bush's economic program, "Middle Class" Shill, defend it:
"...BLS subsequently updated the data. It turned out that things were way worse than the preliminary numbers showed:
Number of jobs as of January, 1993, a week before Clinton took office: 109.725 million.
Number of jobs as of Jan. 2001, a week before Clinton left office: 132.469 million
Net Gain under Clinton: 22.7 million jobs.
Now for Bush, who succeeded Clinton in the White House. As already noted, the nation had 132.469 million jobs as he was taking office.
Number of jobs on Jan. 12, 2009, a week before Bush left office: 133.549 million.
Net gain under Bush: 1.08 million jobs."
"That doesn’t mean it’s [net job growth under Bush] the worst ever. It’s just the worst since the Labor Department started keeping payroll records in 1939."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2010/jul/25/sherrod-brown/sherrod-brown-touts-job-grown-during-clinton-presi/
July 27, 2010 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do understand what net means. But it's overly simplistic to collapse an entire decade into one net number and say that companies didn't hire for 10 years. Companies were doing lots of hiring in 2004, 2005 and 2006. To say that they stopped hiring in 1999/2000 is incorrect.
July 27, 2010 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
2 million jobs in a year works out to about 167,000 per month, which is only a little more than required just to keep up with population growth. And this is at the peak. For comparison, job creation at the peak of the 1990's expansion was twice that. By any measure, job growth under Bush was anemic at its peak, and all but nonexistent over the full term.
July 27, 2010 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that the job creation was not robust. But I disagree with the comment made by another poster that companies stopped hiring in 1999/2000. That statement is not correct.
July 27, 2010 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about: "George Bush's policies of tax cuts skewed to the wealthiest Americans did nothing tio prevent the worst job growth performance since the Labor Department started keeping payroll records in 1939, making it obvious that anyone who ties tax cuts to job growth is either an idiot, a liar, or in MiddleClassShill's case, both?"
Does that work for you?
July 28, 2010 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Once again you keep changing the subject since you can't admit that you made an incorrect statement about companies stopping their hiring in 1999/2000.
July 28, 2010 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why can't you admit that George Bush had the worst record of job creation of any president in modern history, giving the lie to your constant assertions that tax cuts result in job growth?
July 28, 2010 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes the job growth under Bush was anemic - we had the 2001/2002 recession and the 2007/2008 credit/housing collapse. But you are just changing the subject so you won't have to address the silly, incorrect statement you made about businesses stopping their hiring in 1999/2000.
July 28, 2010 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're too stupid to get my point. Tax cut fanatics like yourself want to credit tax cuts for boosting the economy, and blame the threat of future tax increases for harming it. When the data doesn't support either claim, you ignore the data and argue for more tax cuts.
I was making fun of idiots like yourself, and carrying your stupid argument to its logical endpoint. Not surprising you didn't pick up on that.
July 28, 2010 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're the one who raised the topic of tax cuts, not me. The future right now holds lots of uncertainties, with increases in tax rates being one of them but not the only one. Companies also face extreme uncertainties around future regulatory changes in their specific businesses (and resulting cost increases) and still questionable sustainable demand for their products and services. But tax rates clearly impact the NPV analysis that companies perform when making capital budgeting decisions.
If you want to make a logical argument that tax rates don't matter in business decisions, be my guest. Start a new blog topic which makes a coherent argument rather than making inane statements about companies having stopped hiring 10 years ago.
July 28, 2010 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The rich who run and own both the government and corporations always, always, always cut off their noses to spite their faces... and ours. They want to pauperize the American work force in order to beef up profits right now but then are in a quandry about why nobody buys their overpriced goods. Only the rich and the politically corrupt can fail to make the connection between the fact that no jobs means no income which means no buying of products. What a bunch of scum our political and economic leaders are! Time for a revolution folks and if you think you have something to lose and so don't want to rise up think again because they're fixin to take whatever you've got left from ya right now.
July 27, 2010 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately for us, Oleeb, that math only works when the wealthy are dependent upon the buying power of Americans. There was a time when that was true, but not so much any more.
July 29, 2010 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?......
It is vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, peace! But there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Patrick_Henry
July 27, 2010 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hear! Hear!
July 27, 2010 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with free traders, is they fail to protect the country, they are indeed traitors.
They are only interested in trade
Thomas Jefferson knew it when he wrote,
"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gain." Mayer Amschel Rothschild knew it when he said, "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws." William Henry Vanderbilt knew it when he said, "The public be damned." Businesses know it when they use every possible ruse to avoid paying taxes, they know it when they offshore jobs and production, they know it when the engage in war profiteering, and they know it when they take no sides in wars, caring not an iota who emerges victorious. IBM, GM, Ford, Alcoa, Du Pont, Standard Oil, Chase Bank, J.P. Morgan, National City Bank, Guaranty, Bankers Trust, and American Express all knew it when they did business as usual with Germany during World War II. Prescott Bush knew it when he aided and abetted the financial backers of Adolf Hitler.
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/07.09/oligarchy.html
July 27, 2010 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't understand something....if a company is able to develop new technologies to produce the same number of widgets more cheaply with only half the number of workers, why are they morally obligated to higher more workers, if they aren't going to contribute anything? It sounds like Reich is saying that companies are "immoral" if they don't higher useless workers.
The real engine of economic growth are NEW businesses started by entrepeneurs with NEW ideas, and this is what needs to be encouraged, not bloated, overstaffed dinosaurs keeping people on in a modern version of useless, make-work leaf-raking jobs that exist only to keep the jobless rate artificially low. The only ones who benefit from that are the politicians in power. Are those the ones Reich is really interested in helping?
July 27, 2010 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Reich is a very intelligent man who has been Secretary of Labor. He knows exactly what you're talking about, he knows that the US has discouraged job formation and promoted outsourcing, and he knows where all the political bodies are buried on these issues.
But when he comes here to TPMCafe he treats us like schoolkids who need to learn civics 101, with a bunch of crappy conventional wisdom which may be conventional but isn't informative and isn't wisdom at all.
Let's hope that one day he'll talk to us like we're adults who know all the cover stories and want to hear some truth from a guy who knows.
July 28, 2010 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Businesses can be expected to behave the way you describe, ike52. But governments don't have to.
Should the economic policy of a country be designed to increase profits, even if that negatively impacts citizens? Or should the economic policy be designed to improve the well-being of citizens, even if that negatively impacts profits?
Government plays an indispensible role in maintaining a balance, which isn't easy. Lately, the balance has shifted excessively toward profits.
July 29, 2010 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
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i_like_ike52: I don't understand something....if a company is able to develop new technologies to produce the same number of widgets more cheaply with only half the number of workers, why are they morally obligated to (hire) more workers...?
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adam_smith1759: talk to the (invisible) hand.
July 30, 2010 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Activist Marjorie Kelly (a heroine of mine), eloquently in her excellent 2003 book The Divine Right of Capital, has been making the point for years that, to businesses, compensation is quite literally a cost, even if to employees, families, communities, and society it is a benefit. It shows up as a cost on business balance sheets.
So, no surprise that businesses, where they can do so cost effectively, typically are not especially interested in putting more people on their payrolls. Especially medium and larger-sized businesses, where the people making the decisions often do not know the employees they're about to lay off.
A society that wants as many people as possible employed and able to live with dignity is not too sharp to put so much of the load for health insurance and retirement security on businesses as we do.
July 28, 2010 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought I heard not too long ago that a temp agency is our country's largest employer.
Hmmm....
July 28, 2010 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's accounting for you, isn't it. Maybe someday we'll stop being surprised that the free market values profits over social well-being, and start acting accordingly.
July 29, 2010 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
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July 29, 2010 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
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July 29, 2010 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink