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Conservatives Saw McChrystal's Folly; Some Neo-cons Didn't

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My father learned about Gen. Stanley McChrystal's kind of contempt for the suits in Washington on the night of April 12, 1945, when he awakened his commanding officer with the news that Franklin D. Roosevelt was dead. As the bulletin reached HQ at the 277th Battalion of the U.S. Army Combat Engineers in Holsterhausen, Germany, the war was still very much on; the Wehrmacht had recently tried to shell a bridge the combat engineers had built across the Rhine. My Dad, 26, thought that his commanding officer, Major. E.O. Swickard, Jr., would want to know that the Commander in Chief had changed.

"I don't give a flying f--- who the president is," growled Swickard from his bed, thereby impressing upon my father the truth that an army is a grinding, clanking, bloody machine that, once it's in motion on a day-to-day, week-to-week basis, serves gods of war that are not resident in Washington.

What makes McChrystal dangerous -- perhaps even more so now that he's been dismissed and could retire and keep on speaking his mind -- isn't that he feels pretty much as Swickard felt; it's that he thinks, as Swickard did not, that he deserved to be a god of war (and, in Rolling Stone, a rock star). Decent conservatives and liberals understand this distinction. Neo-conservatives cannot understand it unless Obama can be made to pay for McChrystal's arrogance. Watch them try.


Honorable conservatives know better. "President Obama would be entirely justified in firing McChrystal," wrote National Review's chief Washington correspondent Byron York yesterday. "Obama is a deeply flawed commander-in-chief..., but he is the commander-in-chief. He should have a general who will carry out his policies without public complaint until the voters can decide to change those policies."

York has no more illusions than my father did after April 12, 1945 about the "nature of relations between the military and the civilian leadership." York quotes a former military man's observation that "You can find examples of this going back to the founding of the republic." Still, the source adds, "it is very disturbing that he would have such disdain for the civilian leadership."

Open disdain. McChrystal could say whatever he wanted to his staff under certain circumstances, as Swickard did to my Dad. But this is the second time McChrystal signaled the public that he thinks he's got it all, unlike the people we've elected to govern. So what if Barack Obama went to Harvard? McChrystal did, too, to a "soft power" program at the Kennedy School, so he thought he had both Washington and Kandahar covered.

York and other serious conservatives can distinguish between their disdain for Obama's leadership and their commitment to the American republic.They understand the dangers of compromising civilian leadership of the military. But Commentary magazine reminds us that neo-conservatives don't get what's at stake for the republic in moves like McChrystal's because, like their Eastern European Stalinist intellectual and political forebears of the 1930s, they haven't a republican bone in their preternaturally insecure (and therefore militaristic, flag-waving) bodies.

Commentary's first, and therefore most telling, reaction to McChrystal's folly came from someone named Jennifer Rubin, who tried to spin and twist the developments to wring out as much anti-Obama sentiment as she could:

"Far from being evidence of McChrystal's insubordination, the [Rolling Stone] article actually says much more about the administration's mistakes in the course of a war to which they have committed so much American blood and treasure. If there is dissension in the ranks about some of the political and diplomatic blunders of the past year and a half, it speaks more to Obama's own failure to exert leadership than to McChrystal's faults."

Rubin, being un-American (I assume that she was born and brought up here) has no republican honor, and, of course, knows nothing about the military. But she knows what she wants everyone to get from the McChrystal incident, because she is a neo-conservative, and therefore a bombastic un-American. Given the army's situation in Afghanistan at the moment, I don't know if McChrystal should have been fired, but I do know that terminally creepy neo-conservatives, who've given us doe-eyed raptures over McChrystal's nation-building plans, should be disgraced and sidelined by the conservative movement as well as by the rest of us.


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McChrystal must be fired. Pat Lang

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I along ago determinded that neoconservative ideologues suffer from arrested development - perhaps developmentally about age 6 - yes/no, black/white...and like a 6-year-old boy, war is just something fun to play.

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Too easy. Ask yourself, "What do these men have in common?"

Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, William Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith, Richard Perle, David Frum, Robert Kagan, Edward Luttwak, Randy Scheunemann, Dov Zakheim, I. Lewis Libby, Kenneth Adelman, Robert Satloff, Elliott Abrams, Richard Haass, Robert Zoellick, Joshua Bolten, Ari Fleischer, Eliot Cohen, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Aside from always being wrong, the crew listed above share an overwhelming belief that only the US can and should maintain international order, the only way to maintain international order that is friendly to US interests is to meet any threats with military supremacy, and better yet to meet the threats preemptively before they become dire threats or threaten any democratic allies who are friends.

Best yet is to confuse democratic friendly allies with important strategic interests, while infusing the confusion with a moral clarity that believes American hegemony is really benign if you don't count having to bomb some shitty little countries once in a while to keep them in line and out of the strategically important allies borders. But I'm just guessing that's what you're talking about.

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They're Jewish? I guess Francis Fukayama breaks the mold, though.

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Lord, Ellen, what a nauseating post to read and so early in my morning ruining the entire rest of my day.

I continue to stand by my arrested-development theory, however. I believe it was Abrams (you can check it 'cause I don't know how) who suggested to Bush following 9/11 that repair men, meter-readers, gardeners...be 'deputized' to case houses they'd have access to for any signs of suspicious anything of a terrorist nature and then report back to (I guess) the FBI.

On second thought, rather than saying your unholy list suffer from 'arrested-development,' I should say that they're just plain stupid?

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Conservatives and liberals get this. Neo-conservatives cannot.

But the big question does Obama get it. It made no sense for him to agree to the escalation of the Afghan War last year, but it seemed that the administration was intimidated by the military to go with their plan. I guess he didn't want to look like a wimp, nothing like a good war to make him look like a man. Now how does he deal with open insubordination?

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Absolutely, it's impossible to fight the neo-cons as long as you are totally occupied with implementing their agenda.

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"seemed?"

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Throughout the day my position has evolved on this. McChrystal serves at the pleasure of the President. So I'll leave this one up to him.

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What exactly did he say to warrant his firing? It seems to me most of the quotes were from unnamed aides, not him. His only quote was about feeling betrayed by the ambassador, who is not his boss.

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His only quote should have been no quote. And if you believe he had no idea how his aides felt or what they were likely to say, then I would keep a light on for the tooth fairy tonight, if I were you.

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What is about you are responsible for your aids and their mouths as well as your own do you not get. What is about allowing a RS reporter on a bus, having to much drinking going on that people mouth off do you not get.

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Obama could invite al franken to the meeting and televise it. The general would never open his mouth in public again.

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What McChrystal did in agreeing to Rolling Stones access to his subordinates was unbelievably stupid, but whether it justifies a firing depends on whether Obama can promptly find an adequate replacement to conduct the military aspects of the Afghanistan campaign in the manner Obama desires. Note that some may disagree with Obama's analysis of the Afghanistan situation but that is irrelevant to whether the chosen strategy can be executed as well (or better than) McChrystal has done, or whether the same strategy would be conducted less well. Arguments about the strategy itself should be subject to their own debate.

I'm tentatively guessing that the president will stay with McChrystal after severely reprimanding him and extracting public apologies. There will be a cost to this in terms of public opinion, but sacking him might carry an even cost in communicating a sense of inconsistency in implementing policy.

The argument that McChrystal's "insubordination" to civilian authority is intolerable would be valid if he personally had made public statements criticizing the Administration or its officials. Hearsay reported by others about private remarks, although he could have avoided it, does not rise to the level of insubordination, and should probably not be the decisive factor.

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"even greater cost" - sorry for the omitted word "greater"

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He was on the bus, Fred. He reviewed the article before it was published. He should be relieve of his command. There are plenty of people who can replace him.

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Copenhagen October 6, 2009. He doesn't own an Army Service Uniform? Obama should have fired him right then.

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I agree.

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What is the source of your statement that McChrystal reviewed the article before it was slated for publication? If he did, that would be more serious than if he merely approved the interviews.

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What I was actually asking was whether he had been granted authority to approve, disapprove, or edit the article in advance. Merely seeing it, if he was powerless to affect it, wouldn't change the basic situation, but I haven't seen a report stating that he even saw it in advance. Did he?

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Well, there's this from Politico:

Eric Bates, the magazine’s editor, said during an interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that McChrystal was informed of the quotes prior to its publication as part of Rolling Stone's standard fact-checking process — and that the general did not object to or dispute any of the reporting.
And this, from TPMDCs Justin Elliott:
Dana pointed to McChrystal's own response to the article as a verification of the magazine's reporting.
"He didn't retract anything, he just said, 'I shouldn't have cooperated with them.' I take that as an endorsement of the factual accuracy of the story. If there were inaccuracies we'd have people crawling all over us by now."

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Those statements are false. I listened to Bates. He said that the interviews were conducted over many months. During the last two weeks of fact-checking, Bates said that "they" knew what the article was going to say, but he didn't specify McChrystal. More importantly, at that point, neither McChrystal or anyone else would have had a chance to change anything execpt for incorrect facts (wrong dates, wrong places, etc.) In other words, the notion that McChrystal could "review" the article with an eye toward changing it is false.

This is standard journalistic practice. I've been interviewed for articles many times. Sometimes I get a chance to hear what the article will say to ensure that it didn't mistake something I said, and sometimes the article comes out without informing me, but I never get a chance to retract, edit, or comment. McChrystal presumably didn't either, because if he had, Bates would have said so, and he didn't.

This event reflects negligence on McChrystal's part, but to date it demonstrates no evidence of insubordination.

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True, Fred, as long as we're going to have a neo-con foreign policy we might as well have a neo-con nutcase general executing the nutcase policy.

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""I don't give a flying f--- who the president is,""

Come on, the article doesn't have McChrystal saying anything close to that.

Why not find McChrystal quotes in the article (from McChrystal himself, not unnamed drunken aides) that you find objectionable and write about those?

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You miss the point altogether.

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I would say deliberately so.

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Again: Why not find McChrystal quotes in the article (from McChrystal himself, not unnamed drunken aides) that you find objectionable and write about those?

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Your "unnamed drunken aides" were not likely civilians, but more likely were Army officers at the O-3 to O-6 level.

GEN Mc Chrystal is responsible to Admiral Mullen, Gates, the Commander-in-Chief, and ultimately the American people for their actions and his own.

You folks apologizing for him or claiming he was not insubordinate really are missing the point or are deliberately politicizing something as politically immutable as the military chain of command.

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No, I'm saying that Hastings, the author of the article, was very effective in giving the illusion that McChrystal had said a bunch of stuff that he hadn't said. Now numerous pundits and bloggers are claiming that McChrystal said this or that even though the article doesn't actually quote him saying much of anything.

Yes, McChrystal should have kept his subordinates more respectful with their jokes, and their quotes in the article demonstrates that he didn't do that.

But Obama was left with little choice other than firing McChrystal because of a gross misrepresentation by a Rolling Stones journalist, not anything specific McChrystal said.

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There are a lot of folks out there that just do not understand the important distinction you are making here. All they can process is that McChrystal and his men said bad things. They are missing your point entirely.

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"What makes McChrystal dangerous isn't that he feels pretty much as Swickward felt; it's that he thinks he's a god of war..."
O' Sleeper, what powers you have to tell what a man feels and thinks without ever meeting him!

Not since this man, has the world known such wonders:
Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.

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I think Obama has to fire him. The question would be, why put such a life in the shadows, special-ops, guy in such a politically exposed position and then not have him covered like a Jimmy-hat?

And of course, at the bottom of it all is the question, when will the USA understand that America is not cut out for fighting counter-insurgency wars?

This is all lose-lose from the get go.

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Your question about McChrystal is a good one, David. Some guys aren't cut out for promotion, no matter how good they were at their previous job.

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I'm not at all sure McChrystal is not the best counterinsurgency guy in the US army just as he is cracked up to be, however he has spent his whole career in special-ops, so they should have assigned a media savvy press chief and handlers for him.

Anybody in his position has to be terminally naive politically to allow a Rolling Stone reporter within ten miles of him.

That is the real problem, not that he thinks what he thinks and says what he says, but that it all appeared in Rolling Stone.

Most career military people think that all civilians, especially if they haven't ever served, are full of shit... My question is, who allowed Rolling Stone such access? I think it is possible that McChrystal was set up... By whom? By "Bite-me"?

The other possibility is that he set himself up, to get himself fired by Obama, because the war is lost and he doesn't want that hung around his neck. The really troubling thing in this case would be how many people all over the world think they've got Obama's number.

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Just to add that if he approved of the interview and doesn't deny the quotes, he set himself up to be fired by Obama because the war is lost, he knows it can't be won and he doesn't want the blame. Let Obama carry the can. Smart move if you think about it.

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David, this is an interesting idea. Have you done a blog post on it? (I don't see one.) Is there any evidence to support it?

I'm not suggesting that you're wrong. If you're right, Obama shouldn't fire him; he should make him eat humble pie in public, declare his undying fealty to the superior wisdom of civilian control of the military, and return to Afghanistan to take all the blame for what is most likely to ensue.

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If he did this intentionally, then I would advocate he be court marshaled immediately, as such behavior would be a direct violation of his oath as an officer.

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Top military commanders have their own communications staff. Duncan Boothby, who was McChrystal's press aide, just tendered his (requested) resignation.

Civilian press aide resigns amid flap over McChrystal's 'Rolling Stone' profile

The General has proven to be adept at using the press to further his own purposes, against the wishes of the administration, and he spent a month with the Rolling Stone reporter. I don't think he can claim to be naive.

Sometimes even a General has to take responsibility for his own actions. The buck doesn't stop with the press aide.

You may be right, that he is the best COIN guy the Army has. That doesn't mean that he should have been promoted to Commander, ISAF, and Commander, USFOR-A. Nor does it mean, of course, that we should be in Afghan doing COIN in the first place, but that's a different discussion.

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My question is, who allowed Rolling Stone such access? I think it is possible that McChrystal was set up... ?

Well, since you asked... his name is Duncan Boothby, current(?) strategic communications advisor and former Lou Dobbs show producer. He is (was?) also a big believer in public outreach by Generals, according to wired.com.


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Well...

No press aide "allows" access to a commander in a theater of war.

The commander himself allows the access. And in this case, apparently reveled in it. For a month.

But the press aide has to pay the price.

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You are correct on this point. I thought it pretty lame and cowardly for McChrystal or whoever it was to fire the pr guy or force him to resign. He did his job. He didn't open his yap and say stupid things.

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Lou Dobbs, you say. I didn't know that. That's an interesting side note, seashell. It thickens the plot although I'm not sure how. What the heck was he thinking do you suppose?

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The "other possibility" appears spot on.

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Actually, "I don't give a flying f--- who the president is," is an altogether appropriate remark for a general to make and shows no disrespect at all.

I don't know what Swickard's opinion of FDR was, but that remark is perfectly in line with the spirit of the constitution. The Army serves under civilian leadership, regardless of the name or party affiliation of the President.

The mean-spirited and demeaning remarks made by McChrystal and his staff during their month-long interview by a Rolling Stone reporter were of a different sort altogether. The point being, they do care who the president is and they dont intend to be burdened by the constitution.

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Yes, and I'm sure that you've noticed that the purpose of my post is to show that while some of McChrystal's comments reflect sentiments that overlap with with Swickard's, McChrystal is dangerous to the constitution in ways that Swickard was not.

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I'm sure now that McChrystal knew perfectly well what he was doing and that he is only trying to get himself fired for some other reason than not winning the war. I would interpret this whole incident as a clear sign that those who understand these things already consider Afghanistan a lost cause.

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David, this is an interesting idea. Have you done a blog post on it? (I don't see one.) Is there any evidence to support it?

I'm not suggesting that you're wrong. If you're right, Obama shouldn't fire him; he should make him eat humble pie in public, declare his undying fealty to the superior wisdom of civilian control of the military, and return to Afghanistan to take all the blame for what is most likely to ensue.

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McChrystal is a brilliant general with a big IQ trapped in a hopeless situation from which he has just been liberated. I find it hard to believe he didn't know exactly what he was doing. When the war ends it will be Obama that lost it, not McChrystal. In 2012 President Huckabee will probably make him Chief of Staff.

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This quote from Rolling Stone is the key to all of this IMHO:

Today, as McChrystal gears up for an offensive in southern Afghanistan, the prospects for any kind of success look bleak. In June, the death toll for U.S. troops passed 1,000, and the number of IEDs has doubled. Spending hundreds of billions of dollars on the fifth-poorest country on earth has failed to win over the civilian population, whose attitude toward U.S. troops ranges from intensely wary to openly hostile. The biggest military operation of the year – a ferocious offensive that began in February to retake the southern town of Marja – continues to drag on, prompting McChrystal himself to refer to it as a "bleeding ulcer." In June, Afghanistan officially outpaced Vietnam as the longest war in American history – and Obama has quietly begun to back away from the deadline he set for withdrawing U.S. troops in July of next year. The president finds himself stuck in something even more insane than a quagmire: a quagmire he knowingly walked into, even though it's precisely the kind of gigantic, mind-numbing, multigenerational nation-building project he explicitly said he didn't want.

Even those who support McChrystal and his strategy of counterinsurgency know that whatever the general manages to accomplish in Afghanistan, it's going to look more like Vietnam than Desert Storm. "It's not going to look like a win, smell like a win or taste like a win," says Maj. Gen. Bill Mayville, who serves as chief of operations for McChrystal. "This is going to end in an argument."

McChrystal doesn't want to go down with the ship.

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I did notice. Good article.

I just didn't think Swickard's comment was demeaning to the President or disdainful of the constitution, as you point out McChrystal's behavior has been.

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Soldering is about killing people and blowing things up, it's also about being killed and being blown up. Politics is about being reelected. There is always tension between the soldiers and the politicians and more so when the soldiers are like McChrystal and also know how to play politics. This whole thing is a put up job from the get go.

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Soldering is about killing people and blowing things up, it's also about being killed and being blown up

I was just reading up on what Andrew Exum @ Abu Muquwama blog thought on the matter in several posts, and ironically, he obviously disagrees with you that that is what current soldiering is about by saying in his first post on it that: In a weird way, Hastings is making the argument to readers of Rolling Stone (Rolling Stone!) that counterinsurgency sucks because it doesn't allow our soldiers to kill enough people... And I was thinking after reading that that it does seem that McChrystal's theories of counterinsurgency are more about "politics" than "killing and blowing things up," so perhaps we should not be surprised that he would try to play politics on the home front as well.

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Part of the problem that the infantrymen are having with McChrystal' COIN strategy and its restraint is that they get killed and blown up more easily and killing and blowing up is less stressful than that.

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Some of the above comments seem very premature to me. McChrystal will offer his resignation. If he truly wants it to be accepted, it will be. If he keeps his job, it means he wants to stay.

I predict, tentatively, that he will keep his job. That will prove to all but the most obdurate that he wants to keep going. If he is fired, it won't prove much about his desires.

No-one who wanted out would do it in such an inept way, including the latest profuse apologies. That's quite a stretch.

Not to belabor the point, but in my view, observers most likely to be objective about the desirability of keeping or firing McChrystal are those who support the president's (and McChrystal's) Afghanistan strategy. Anyone who wants the strategy changed has a right to make that case, but shouldn't disguise that position as a case for firing McChrystal due to the latter's public relations missteps. To date, I have the impression that most people who support the strategy want McChrystal kept on, even as they condemn his behavior regarding the Rolling Stone interviews.

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Here's an interesting perspective from the NYT - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/world/asia/w24sanger.html It includes a comparison between McChrystal and MacArthur, pointing out that the latter's public defiance of Truman related to disagreements about policy, whereas McChrystal and Obama agree on policy and it is McChrystal's conduct that is at issue.

One interesting historical tidbit from the NYT article: "In war, that’s nothing new. President Lincoln wrote a searing letter to Gen. Joseph Hooker when the general told a New York Times correspondent in 1863 that “nothing would go right until we had a dictator, and the sooner the better.” (Lincoln kept him, suggesting that generals who wanted to set up dictatorships might start by winning a few battles.)"

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What other "neo-cons" have you found react like the Commentary writer? Do you have any other examples to illustrate your point? (And if you don't consider National Review to be a center for neo-con thought, what the heck is?) The reason I ask is that Andrew Exum points out that senior Republican legislators, including John McCain, and Bush administration advisors Peter Feaver and Eliot Cohen, have come supporting the president's option to axe him, and the Washington Post article Exum links to has quotes. I'm not trying to debate you, I'm asking if you have other evidence for your post than just one example, or are just presuming that is what most neo-cons would think from one article.

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The problem you raise involves not evidence but definition. By "neo-cons," I mean the crowd around Commentary and The Weekly Standard (Bill Kristol & Co.), and also a few outliers like David Brooks, who remains in his soul (and in about 2/3 of his columns) a neo-con. Rebecca West wrote of "Jewish revolver journalists" who tried to get WW I underway by filing venomous dispatches from Eastern Europe trying to inflame the Germans against the Slavs. Neo-cons played a remarkably similar role in the run-up to the Iraq War. No, they weren't responsible for it, anymore than West's journalists were responsible for WW I, but they were catalysts, would-be provocateurs, people whose nature and profession it is to try to get other people to do the kind of fighting and dying they dread doing themselves.

Sorry about the "Jewish" angle (I'm Jewish myself, and proud of much about it:

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/2009%20-%20Fall/full-Sleeper-Fall-2009.html

but in this case, it's there and isn't irrelevant to understanding what I'm talking about.

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Oops. I pre-judged the Weekly Standard on this one. What they're saying

www.theweeklystandard.com

is that McChrystal probably has to go, but the whole Obama foreign-policy team should go with him.

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They will be disappointed. McChrystal is gone, Petraeus replaces him, and the foreign policy team remains, probably strengthened by the change.

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The problem is that this war cannot be won and "defeat is an orphan"... McChrystal has figured out a cool way out for himself. I think McChrystal did everything he could to get fired, because the war is as good as lost and he doesn't want to get blamed for it. When it is finally over someday apologists will say, "if only Obama had kept McChrystal..." He is protecting his legacy.

I am not sure I agree that this is a neocon war. This is a war that the neocons never really liked very much, because what they want is a war with Iran... Afghanistan is no threat to Israel, which is what they really care about. That was in great part what was behind the war with Iraq, "real men go to Tehran" was their slogan at the time. Afghanistan was always a distraction. Read Thomas Friedman today, you'll see what I mean.

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I couldn't disagree more, David. As to the war itself, it's certainly not lost now, and I'm reasonably confident it won't be, but that's a matter of personal conjecture on which we can disagree. As to McChrystal's behavior being seen as an effort to get sacked, I find that too much of an exercise in fantasy to be believable. If he wanted to be fired for insubordination, he might have simply made a public statement claiming the Administration was not giving him the support he deserved. That would have earned him both a relief of command and an admiration from many who agreed with him. Instead, his behavior has earned him contempt across the political spectrum, and it's beyond credibility to see it as a deliberate invitation to be fired.

Finally, his replacement by Petraeus will be seen as (a) a further rebuke to McChrystal; (b) a reaffirmation of Afghanistan policy; and (c) a brilliant move that makes it impossible for McChrystal supporters to blame the president for future difficulties in Afghanistan. I'm sure there will be difficulties, but our objectives are attainable, and failure to attain them remains an enormous direct security threat to the U.S. from Pakistan's nuclear weapons in the hands of insurgents in the Pakistan/Afghanistan region.

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I've just put my thoughts on the subject in a post here at TPM if anybody is interested.

Believe me all the "I want my country back" crowd are in McChrystal's corner all the way.

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David, earlier this morning, my son (who was in the Army for 6 years and is now Air Force Reserve) had this very discussion, and we bandied about the idea that he might have sabotaged himself in way that would get the Prez to accept his resignation, but not badly enough to face further discipline. My son has no love lost for Obama, in fact he claims to hate him (I'm so ashamed...) but he said, Obama had no choice - couldn't have kept him even if he wanted to really bad. That just isn't the military way. AND, he agreed that there is a distinct possibility McChrystal realized that this plan, with his name all over it, isn't going to work, and he wanted out so someone else could own it.

Of course, he's just a little guy, but just thought I'd pass on what someone who is in the military thinks...

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Thanks, s.i., for the perspective. There's too little military perspective here in the back.

Keep an eye out for the folks in the media who say Obama should have apologized to Gen. McChrystal. A baffling interpretation, isn't it?

Imagine that some military kid was insubordinate to his commander and openly bad-mouthing that commander to his buddies. The commander finds out and calls that kid to report at once to the commanders office.

Those folks in the media might insist that the commander apologize to the kid and give the kid whatever he wishes before sending him on his way.

McChrystal was insubordinate, period. Obama might have done whatever he wished, and replacing him with Petraeus is potentially brilliant. Let's hope our young fighters over there stay as safe as possible and come back whole when we finally bring them home.

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B Hussein Obama - a walking disaster in the White house - He should be in Wall-mart store (The pastas section) and not in the White house!

McChrystal told the truth :
"the emperor has no clothes"

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"York and other serious conservatives can distinguish between their disdain for Obama's leadership and their commitment to the American republic."

Is that so? Who's the other one then?

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