Neocons: Playing The Dual Loyalty Card ++ Nadler, Weiner Speak Out For The Occupation
The neocons AIPAC, its think-tank (the Washington Institute of Near East Policy), and the rest of the usual Israel-can-do-no-wrong crowd is now harping on the question of dual loyalty. Are American Jews being accused of being more loyal to Israel than America?
The "dual loyalty card" is suddenly being played by neocons to argue that those who oppose the lobby are accusing Jews of dual loyalty. Lately they have seized on a remark by some anonymous White House aide who said that Obama aide, Dennis Ross, "seems to be far more sensitive to Netanyahu's coalition politics than to U.S. interests."
The quote sent the neos went into overdrive. Bob Satloff of AIPAC's Washington Institute for Near East Policy wrote a delightful piece denying the dual loyalty charge, saying, in effect, "Dual loyalty to who? We hire Moroccans and Egyptians, not just Israelis. Does that mean we are loyal to those countries?"
It was a dumb piece which led only to a flurry of stories revealing, for those who don't know, that the Washington Institute and Satloff are AIPAC cutouts. For the first time, I told the story about being in the room when the Washington Institute was created by AIPAC.
Anyway, here is Lee Smith of the Tablet, a new (very good) Jewish blog, playing the dual loyalty card for all its worth. And he names names, actually just one: Stephen Walt of Harvard.
According to Smith, Walt is leading the orchestra that is playing that tune. The neos are obsessed with Walt because (and John Mearsheimer) he wrote The Israel Lobby which argued that anyone who criticizes the lobby will be smeared as an anti-Semite and worse til the end of time. Smith, like all the other neos, proves the Walt-Mearsheimer thesis by arguing that, in criticizing the lobby, Walt is even worse than "the rejectionists of Hamas, for they at least have to live with the consequences of their choices." None of the things Smith says are is true but its standard stuff in the Standard.
But the beauty part is that the story about Profesor Walt is filed under the rubric "Agents Of Influence" which is a Washington term for those who quietly promote seamy interests under the guise of objectivity. They are often people you have never heard about who have a hidden agenda and promote it well.
And guess who Smith quotes to sum up his argument: Steve Rosen, that Steve Rosen.
To Stephen Walt, pro-Israel is a bad thing, but to the American people it is a good thing. If he thinks our national interests are not being followed, and that Dennis Ross and WINEP are instruments of a foreign power, then by that measure, the majority of the American people are instruments of a foreign power.
So true, the American people have often demonstrated their support for Dennis Ross and WINEP. Can't argue with that.
Of course the American people was not indicted under the Espionage Act for providing government secrets to Israel while Rosen was.
But the column isn't about Rosen who spent millions to prove that he was not something considerably worse than a mere Agent of Influence. Its about Walt.
And this contradiction doesn't even occur to Smith when he's wriitng his column. No, he is playing the the dual loyalty card and nothing will get in his way.
I guess the neos realize that calling their opponents "anti-semites" and "self-hating Jews" isn't working anymore. So they now accuse them of calling American Jews disloyal.
It won't work. The lobby is reeling, now that there is someone in the White House who thinks that he can deal with the sovereign State of Israel directly -- government to government -- without going through them. You know times are bad when the American Jewish Congress is merging with the American Jewish Committee, or vice versa.
No serious person is calling the lobby disloyal. But ever growing numbers are accusing it, quite rightly, of using thuggish tactics to silence its opponents.
American Jews, at home in America, aren't even paying attention. They are too busy going to work, figuring out how to pay for college, driving the kids to soccer, hanging out with their fellow Americans of all ethnicities (half are even marrying non-Jews) and doing what they can to advance the interests, not of Israel but of the United States and the Democratic party.
Meanwhile, here are Congressmen Anthony Weiner and Jerrold Nadler (big progressives) opposing the two-state solution. This follows Chuck Schumer's quote that God has chosen him to guard Israel's interests in the Senate.
Sorry MJ, but -with all due respect- this time you are being way too nice to these scoundrels, even to the point of looking past their crude lies.
"Dual loyalty" is indeed little more than an alternate BS code word to "anti-Semite" or "self-hating Jew" trotted out in regular rotation to fling at any who dare question the AIPAC party line. Barely worth wasting pixels on.
But "disloyalty"?
Of course AIPAC IS being DISLOYAL to America! Thoroughly and disgracefully so. Just look at the basic facts of what has happened recently.
Obama, doing little more than articulating the view of 95% of the civilized world for decades, found himself in public disagreement with the playboy neo-con prime minister of Israel due to the latter's insistence on torpedoing peace talks and kowtowing to the wagging tail lunatic fringe of settlers within his parliamentary coalition.
AIPAC has backed the foreign playboy extremist coddler on this AGAINST the US president, and to the hilt, making up a mountain of reeking propaganda crap against Obama to boot. To even pretend that this is not patently disloyal to everything America stands for is, to be blunt, nonsense.
The bigger lie here is that AIPAC is representative of American Jews in this disloyalty. But, it is high time for more American Jews to stand up and actively fight the lies being made up in their name by a small nefarious minority amongst them. "We love Israel better than they do" is not fighting; it is burying the hand in the sand and hoping where little hope is justified.
April 29, 2010 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
the mantras are:
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1. the interest of america are the same as those of israel
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2. there is no daylight between the US and israel
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3. we share the same democratic values
these mantras are repeated over and over again to put a spell on uninformaed american people. their purpose is to prevent looking at the inconvenient truth of the dual-loyalty of right wing zionists in america. as long the delusion persists that the US and israel are the same then the dual-loyalists can advocate for israel as much as they want without being questioned about dual-loyalty because to advocate for israel is to advocate for america. but once a break develops then the uncomfortable conflict of loyalties comes up which makes right wing-zionists in the US squirm like the snakes they are.
April 29, 2010 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
MJ: It's all about privilege. The pro-Israel groups have internalized the exceptionalism that Israel has enjoyed for so long, that anything that challenges their special treatment is, therefore bigoted. (For the best example of "privilege" thinking, see the Tea Baggers railing against government spending...except Social Security and Medicare.)
Think how much conditioning it takes to accept this conventional wisdom:
1. A Jewish person born in Brooklyn or Moscow has a "right" to move to the West Bank because "God" gave him/or her the land. A Palestinian, who has born and raised there, is a demographic threat.
2. Israel can maintain "strategic ambiquity" about its nuclear arsenal and should not be pressured to join the NPT. Which other country is given this deal?
3. The US reaffirms an "unbreakable bond" with Israel even after the Israeli PM embarressed VP Biden, is continuing to undercut President Obama, and is frustrating American strategic aims in the ME. Which other country is given this deal?
Privilege is nice. I guess they can enjoy it while it lasts. Because it won't.
April 29, 2010 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
right..it wont last...because everyone is now wise to the pernicious influence of...the Jews...courtesy of "mythbuster" who knows that his post modern Protocols of the Elders of Zion are gospel...
Bust that...
April 30, 2010 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
congressmen weiner and nadler and senator schumer don't want a two state solution. they want an apartheid state disguised as a democracy.
and yet, the speaker of the knesset, reuven rivlin, is advocating not for a two-state but for a one-state as the only logical thing to do saying that he "would rather accept Palestinians as Israeli citizens than divide Israel and the West Bank in a future two-state peace solution."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1166300.html
April 29, 2010 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
That article is interesting. The comments even more so. I love it when people try to disguise their racism by invoking God.
Israel, the Tea Bagger Nation.
April 29, 2010 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dual loyalty stopped being merely a card when American soldiers deployed in the middle east. If you can't put the lives and safety of those American soldiers ahead of the interests of Israel then you've chosen where your loyalty lives.
April 29, 2010 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
One challenge in these debates is that many supporters of Israel decry "Israel being singled out" and advocate for Israel's being treated like any other nation. Yet when one asks that America treat Israel and its citizens like any other nation, what is the response? Why can't we get AIPAC to register as the agent of a foreign government like any other group that lobbies in a foreign country's interest? Why don't we require Israelis to renounce their citizenship in Israel as we do of adults from any other country? Why is it acceptable for Americans to serve in the Israeli military when it is a problem for Americans to serve in any other country's army? Why can't one ask for Israel to be treated like any other country without getting smeared with the claim that one is accusing American Jews (often all American Jews) of dual loyalty?
April 29, 2010 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dennis Ross is what he is: a shill i.e. when the spruiker tries to sell his goods then the shill jumps up and shouts "What a bargain! I'll buy three - no! - make that four!"
But the trick only works if the audience is unaware that the shill and the spruiker know each other.
That's Ross' problem: everyone in the room KNOWS that he will shout his schtick no matter what Netanyahu attempts to sell.
The Obama team knew that before he was appointed, and the obvious conclusion is that he was brought into the tent BECAUSE of his links to both the Lobby (via WINEP) and the Israeli govt (via JPPPI) and not in spite of those links i.e. Obama brought Ross inside the tent so that the Lobby could boast that "their man" had been slipped into the inner sanctum.
But here's the rub: he's only useful as "their man" if nobody knows that he's a shill... and Obama has always known that Ross is a shill.
April 29, 2010 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
And what if it is proven that the above quoted people like J. McCain are indirectly financed by AIPAC ? McCain and people like him, who receive handsome campaigns' contributions through phony channels connected indirectly to AIPAC, would be guilty of dual loyalty. Unfortunately, there are many ways to contribute to their electoral campaigns without leaving a trace. A WASP like McCain has no connection to Israel, and the only connection that he may have, is the cash that keep flowing into his electoral campaigns. The public can rest assured that what I am saying can not be proven, and yet corruption and dual loyalty in Washington is not something new.April 29, 2010 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why didn't Jeffrey Goldberg use "Zionist" Joe Biden as his example instead of Lindsay Graham or John McCain?
Doesn't he want us to realise that "our" Dem politicians are just as bad (if not worse) on ME FP than the bushies were?
April 30, 2010 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
MJ,
Weiner is gearing up for the long march toward Gracie Mansion in 2013 and must get his pro Israel ducks in a row. Sherman is just a true believer with comfortable with the perks of power in the House.
April 29, 2010 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
A number of years ago, Tikkun magazine acknowledged that American Jews had joined the Protestants as the political and economic elite. As one lears in any elementary Political Science class, the role of the elite is to define the values of society,
It is conceivable that American Jews may win this crusade for Israeli hegemony in he Middle East, justice and fairness notwithstanding. But, should the American economy continue to decline for the middle class, and all wealth accrue to the top 5 percent of income earners, then I think that growth in wealth for the economic elites will become increasingly identified as Jewish wealth--the Protestants have always been given a pass on this.
This is the danger that the dual loyalty issue has for American Jews. It has not gone unnoticed that the investment banks that ruined this economy were primarily Jewish firms. This question all revolves around the ability of the owners of financial wealth to assure an equitable distribution of wealth. If they can't or won't, I suspect it will be the Jewish upper class that will be blamed--and one-sided loyalty to Israel will be viewed as treason.
April 30, 2010 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It has not gone unnoticed that the investment banks that ruined this economy were primarily Jewish firms"
if you hurry you should be able to get tickets to the Deviant Art Exhibit...just follow the line of swarthy hooked nose syphilitic freaks chasing money...
it's precisely because of bigots that Likud gets votes...
and it's precisely because of bigots that I wont lift a finger to stop some Likud thug from cracking a bigot's skull...
April 30, 2010 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, you forgot the parts about Christian baby blood and crucifying Christ.
April 30, 2010 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
you're right but I was too busy counting my money and coveting an innocent Catholic girl...
April 30, 2010 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marow + artappraiser. A true race to the bottom.
May 3, 2010 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
mj's failure to denounce "cadabra's" clear-cut blantant anti-Jewish screed is just another piece of evidence that Rosenberg is a post modern kapo...
that Joke Street would look the other way while Rosenberg makes common cause with bigots tells any thinking person everything they need to know about Joke Street and MJ Kapo...
April 30, 2010 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Rosenberg, let's meet in front of Zabars (Broadway and 80th Street in Jerry Nadler's district) on any Sunday you pick and ask each person who comes out:
1. if they are a constituent of Rep. Nadler;
2. do they know that Rep. Nadler supports the current position of the Government of Israel as to negotiating with the Palestinian Authority; and
3. are they in agreement with Rep. Nadler's position?
If more than 35% of the constituents disagree with Rep. Nadler's position, I will personally buy you a pound of Zabars lox.
April 30, 2010 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, the scores of Democratic liberals elected to Congress who support AIPAC's positions just might be representing the views of their constituents. Oh, I forgot, that would be democracy, which, to the adherents of Mr. Rosenberg's views, is the worst form of government, period.
April 30, 2010 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
You speak for brainwashed yourself, Bal4. It is your minders, assisted by their dupes such as you, who shovel lies and intimidate US Congresspeople for the purpose of helping ensure that democracy can never come to the West Bank. If you were honest about this, you would move there and risk your own behind for that barbaric oppression, and leave America's democracy alone.
May 1, 2010 7:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
"t is your minders, assisted by their dupes such as you, who shovel lies and intimidate US Congresspeople for the purpose of helping ensure that democracy can never come to the West Bank."
classic fascist minority-hating propaganda...no one who disagrees with bigots is capable of independent thought...note the use of "minders" which on the one hand suggests something totalitarian and then within the context of this "debate" manages to hint at the classic bigot's ploy of saying the...Jews are operating as part of a secret cabal bent on domination through a vast underground network of dupes and fellow travelers...
Followed by this priceless gem of rhetorical moral and logical hypocrisy...
"If you were honest about this, you would move there and risk your own behind for that barbaric oppression, and leave America's democracy alone."
Where we see the very charge leveled against Rosenberg-"mythbuster"-PTroub" is reversed...because while they are up in cyber-arms about the terrible plight of the oppressed people of the world...it's a little too difficult to buy a ticket and move to the front line...so might as well accuse someone else of being feckless...while waging armed conflict...with your keyboard...
and i just love how our otherwise "Democratic" America is full of congressional cowards supine in the face of Jewish gangsters wo intimidate them...of course no one else, not Wall Street, not Oil Companies, not the tech lobby, not the insurance lobby, not the national security machine, not banks, not agri-empire consortium's, not the IMF, not the weapons merchants, not anyone else but...the Jews is capable of such intimidation...
and then the last line is the money shot..."America's Democracy"
right...which supports the nefarious thugs of Israel...and therefore is either not a Democracy or is being held hostage or both...
so when it's time to tar someone as being a dupe of the vast Jewish conspiracy America has a vibrant Democracy but when it comes to the success of the duplicitous Jews of AIPAC...America is a patsy...because how a "democracy" can be both democratic and subject to intimidation by clever under-handed Jewish gangsters is a mystery that only the denizens here can explain...because of their righteous moral superiority...
What a fucking sophomoric fraud...
bigots are as bigots say...
bust that...
May 1, 2010 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
"leave America's democracy alone"
and upon more examination what do we hear with this spew...the essence of the classic Jew hating minority bashing rhetoric pulled from the archives of fascists and bigots every where...
it says without saying it that America's Democracy has an innate vestal purity being corrupted by foreign thugs who by definition are not pure...not pure of thought or character and who with those they have duped...should...get out...
well where have we heard this before...
from Batar and the Brown Shirts and from the Klan and the Peronists and the Maoists and the Boers and the Tea Baggers and the Arizona-fascists...
and so on every where there are bigots they sooner or later fall into the same hate-filled rhetorical mode...
Auslander! Raust!
Bust that
May 1, 2010 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Marlow, your Warsaw Ghetto paranoia is gushing out like diaherria. Try a little restraint (a word you may need to look up in the dictionary, try it, it won't kill you). Nobody here is insisting that America be a lap dog for the most extreme Palestinian point of view, as you stupidly pretend. We are objecting to the Congress, in deference to the fearmongering feeding off your particular form of pathology, being a lap dog for the most extreme Israeli point of view.
Americans can easily see that it is not in the interest of our country to blindly and 100% back ANY particular of foreign extremists. American Jews also realize that the West Bank settlers and their stooges do not speak for them. If and when some American Palestinian Public Affairs Committee ever grows to obtain 1% of the corrupt damaging power of AIPAC, then we will need to explain why that form of raving pro-foreign fanaticism is also completely contrary to the interests of the US.
May 1, 2010 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
there you go again...AIPAC is somehow more potent than any other lobby...not oil...not the tech lobby...not the Military Industrial Congress...not the agri-empires...no...just the one group run by the...Jews...
after all it's not like American foreign policy is out of whack anywhere else...no, supporting Taiwan makes perfect sense...selling billions in bonds to China is balanced...
subsidizing Europe's social welfare state by bankrupting our economy through bloated military expenditure so the Europeans will never spend more then they can avoid on their own militaries...is a sterling example of rational long range thinking...
like adding the Baltic states to NATO...or looking the other way while Wall Street cooks the books...in Greece...
Because the housing bubble was no doubt not the result of the pernicious influence of the banking lobby or the construction lobby or the banks or the unions...
no it was obviously the result of All Powerful AIPAC's plan for a Zionist Occupation Government...
because...it's the Jews...the Jewish lobby...AIPAC...the Likud...the settlers...and their dupes...the Jews are to blame...the Jews are crafty...the Jews intimidate our congress...they intimidate our press...and they do it more powerfully than any other group...
answer the fucking question worm...
explain how AIPAC is more powerful than the oil lobby...or the tech lobby...or the arms merchants...
explain how our foreign policy in Central and South America is balanced...explain how and why the American government officials responsible for Operation Condor have all been arrested and put on trial for their crimes...explain how a century of allowing the assorted special interests invested in the colonization of Central and South America are less power full and have been less successful than AIPAC...
Let us read a lengthy post by you or those you agree with explaining how AIPAC has been more successful than the companies that do business in Central and South America in unbalancing and unhinging the foreign policy of America...
because if AIPAC is so fucking powerful wouldn't it do everything it could to get America to stop supporting the Gulf States...
and sorry to say for your bull shit...I think the Jews should have dropped agonizing over the Holocaust years ago...especially when there are plenty of bigots like you around today...
I'm not the one living in a psychological ghetto...
you are...
bust that
and answer the fucking question...
May 1, 2010 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
More unrestrained long-winded foul-mouthed lies from you, Marlow. Perhaps this is because you have no rational argument to advance with the respect to the topic. I have made no comparison between AIPAC and other odious, corrupting and powerful special interests on other issues. (Your list of such groups, though irrelevant here, is impressively long, showing that you can at least cut and paste). U.S. Mideast policy, including the effects of AIPAC and other such settler-advocates and the role of the US Congress, are the subject of THIS page, not special interest lobbies in general, and certainly not your Warsaw Ghetto paranoia.
May 1, 2010 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
perfect example of you running out of ammunition...you are now insisting that you have control of the context of the argument precisely because your view is a thin cover for hating Jews...
you repeat add nauseum that AIPAC exerts more and more dangerous influence than any other lobby and that American foreign policy is as a result warped because of the corrupt pernicious secretive and dangerous influence of...the Jews...
that is a non contextualized argument that gives aid and comfort to bigots and you are saying there is no other issue open for contextualization because if you did your entries point of view would collapse into the racist spew from which it emerges...
AIPAC exerts influence often brutally and within the context of the entirety of the corrupt American government and overlaps with a myriad number of other lobbying efforts each of which seeks to exploit benefits for its supporters at the expense of everyone else...
and American foreign policy is not only a complete train wreck everywhere and in every direction from Afghanistan to Ireland but it has no central focal point and no one group exists without echoes from the others as the computer you use today is through the money web an improvised explosive device next month...the "Middle East" is an amalgam of memory demographics money culture trade history psychology deals secrets and the confluence of every other part of the planet and the idea that AIPAC exists in a bubble free from other forces is a horse shit idea at best and pure Jew hatred at worst...
context context context context context because the absence of context is exactly what the masters of war want everyone to engage in you fucking tool...
bust that worm ...
May 1, 2010 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
"U.S. Mideast policy, including the effects of AIPAC and other such settler-advocates and the role of the US Congress, are the subject of THIS page, not special interest lobbies in general"
the perfect example...you are saying that money used to buy influence by AIPAC can not be and should not be traced to any other issue as those issues have no effect no bearing and relation to the issues of the ME...this is your argument...which reduces the topic to the nefarious influence of...the Jews...
because the sale of computer chips in Taiwan means nothing to the price of food in Egypt...and the sale of textiles in Europe means nothing to the level of unemployment in Africa which has no connection to immigration which has nothing to do with the rise of fanaticism militarism and subsequent sales of weapons...the price of wheat in Canada has nothing to do with Puttin's power base which in turn has no effect on Iran which has no connection what so ever to Hezbollah which has no connection to American foreign policy because AIPAC has nothing to do with the price of wheat in Canada...
go back to your corner worm...you are a bigot and an idiot living in some 19th century fantasy world where trade barriers and national sovereignty still exist...
bust that
May 1, 2010 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marlow, your incessant sewer-mouth lying is becoming tiresome. I never, to respond to just the first of this latest deluge, said "AIPAC exerts more and more dangerous influence than any other lobby." My consistent point, despite your crude attempts at misattribution, has been that the influence of AIPAC and its fellow pro-settler groups is disproportionate and anti-American WITH RESPECT to Mideast policy, the TOPIC OF THIS PAGE!
This site is intended for a serious discussion of important issues, not as a training ground for third-rate West Bank Settler brainwashees, nor as a ward for psychiatric patients. It is time for your to take your longwinded irrelevant profanity somewhere else.
May 1, 2010 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
sorry worm...you are a liar...a disingenuous Jew hating liar...your point all along has been a consistent anti Jewish screed devoted to the absurd notion that AIPAC is a singular focal point for the ME and that it and it alone exerts a nefarious influence disproportionate to its size which only works as an argument if you de-contextualize it and speak as if it exists in a hermetically sealed vacuum into which no other factors may intrude...
which is ironically a description for your third rate brain...your new repeated half-assed insistence that there is one and only one definition of what may be discussed only serves to help make my point...and reveals your authoritarian streak...
you must insist on limiting the argument because if you open it to include a recognition of how AIPAC exists in a massive contradictory convoluted multi-verse of competing groups and factions your argument such as it is falls apart and leaves you exposed as the Jew hatter that you clearly are...
further more saying that AIPAC is "anti-American" assumes that in a pluralistic society any American citizen with whom you disagree is therefore not truly American and again reveals your hypocrisy, stupidity and bigotry...
That AIPAC may or may not be a successful lobby that it may or may not engage in any number of thuggish practices in no way renders its members "Anti-American" only differently American...
Lastly you say on the one hand that you do not claim AIPAC is more powerful than other lobbys...but that it is disproportionate...
compared to what...
but then you refuse to allow for any comparative examples because you insist that you and god knows who else are in charge of delineating the scope of argument so that if someone feels that a discussion of AIPAC includes a discussion of say Maariv and that in turn opens the door to a discussion of anti-settler anti-AIPAC writers like Etgar Keret, you would say that is verboten...
or if a discussion of the nature of AIPAC's lobbying scheme requires an examination of say the Arms lobbyist and their influence on foreign policy including the ME you would again and have said, no that is off limits...
Following your illogic how do we determine the scope of AIPAC's power...how do we know that Tim Lincecum is a better pitcher than Cy Young...how do we know that Tolstoy is more complex and nuanced than Robert E. Howard...how do we know that AIPAC gets more money-influence than Apple-Microsoft-Intel-IBM-Texas Instruments and the people who sell blood diamonds...
well following your tyrannical rules on what is pertinent...we don't...
firstly because you insist they have no relationship to each other and secondly after being blown out of the cyber water you retreat to the childish idea that you are in charge of the scope of the topic which is storming out the front door of the argument and sneaking in through the back...
which leaves us to argue on your terms which automatically means AIPAC is the sole engine of the issue and its dis-proportionality is established not because it's verifiable but because you say so...because you can not prove that AIPAC is bigger and more robust and more effective and thus more dangerous than any other powerful robust and dangerous lobby in our interconnected and dangerous world...
because you hate Jews...and you fear complexity...and it's easier to blame the Jews...
and I wouldn't support Gush Emumin if my life depended on it you Jew hatting worm...
now...back to your corner...
bust that...
May 1, 2010 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Neocons...I like the sound of that
May 2, 2010 1:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
If every American citizen could read the commentary in this thread and the comments of people like marlow you would see some real anti-Semitism erupt in this nation. The Jewish people have suffered unbelievably. Much of the free ride Israel has had over these past 60 years is the long memory of the Holocaust and institutional racism in this country and the American instinct to make amends.
But those days are over with. The shoe is now on the other foot and many Zionists don't seem to get it. They fail to realize the victim card will only carry you so far. Being accused of brutal crimes against the helpless Palestinians must hurt but lashing out at the critics without sober self evaluation is not a solution.
Thank goodness there are honest humanitarian and self reflective Jews that are starting to speak some sense and honesty into our national discourse on these issues. They are the only ones who can help avert a real tragedy in the days ahead.
May 2, 2010 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Change is coming" says "mythbuster"
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewcong111.html
How many of the people on this list are heading out of office...
how many are in safe districts...
how many are being backed by wealthy donors...
how many are in bed with AIPAC...
what's AIPAC's buget...
what are the projected donations for AIPAC over the next year...the next three...
what's their expected war chest for the next presidential election...
who are their challengers...
how much cash do these challengers have...
what's the budget for J-Street...
Who are the candidates J-Steeet is backing and how much money do they project for the next election cycle...
real politics is about these issues...precisely because AIPAC is a gang of efficient thugs who play ruthless hardball...
Got answers?
May 4, 2010 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoa! These MJ threads are gettin' too wild for words.
May 2, 2010 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I view it as progress. Change is coming. And lots of people are vested in the status quo. So the initial reaction is to scream and shout.
Change management. It's never easy.
May 3, 2010 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks suddenly being played by neocons to argue that those who oppose the lobby are accusing Jews of dual loyalty. Lately they have seized on a remark by some anonymous White House aide who said that Obama aide, Dennis Ross, "seems to be far more sensitive to Netanyahu's coalition politics than to U.S. interests." bachelors of criminal justice
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Thanks Lee Smith of the Tablet, a new (very good) Jewish blog, playing the dual loyalty card for all its worth. And he names names, actually just one: Stephen Walt of Harvard. kanban
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Thanks here is Lee Smith of the Tablet, a new (very good) Jewish blog, playing the dual loyalty card for all its worth. And he names names, actually just one: Stephen Walt of Harvard. phlebotomy certification
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