The Enthusiasm Gap
I had dinner the other night with a Democratic pollster who told me Dems are heading toward next fall's mid-term elections with a serious enthusiasm gap: The Republican base is fired up. The Dem base is packing up.
The Dem base is lethargic because congressional Democrats continue to compromise on everything the Dem base cares about. For a year now it's been nothing but compromises, watered-down ideas, weakened provisions, wider loopholes, softened regulations. Health care went from what the Dem base wanted -- single payer -- to a public option, to no public option, to a bunch of ideas that the President tried to explain last week, and it now hangs by a string as Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid try to round up conservative Dems and a 51-vote reconciliation package in the Senate. The jobs bill went from what the base wanted -- a second stimulus -- to $165 billion of extended unemployment benefits and aid to states and locales, then to $15 billion of tax breaks for businesses that make new hires. Financial regulation went from tough new capital requirements, sharp constraints on derivate trading, a consumer protection agency, and a resurrection of the Glass-Steagall Act - all popular with the Dem base -- to some limits on derivatives and a consumer-protection agency inside the Treasury Department and a rearrangement of oversight boxes, and it's now looking like even less. The environment went from the base's desire for a carbon tax to a cap-and-trade carbon auction then to a cap-and-trade with all sorts of exemptions and offsets for the biggest polluters, and now Senate Dems are talking about trying to do it industry-by-industry.
These waffles and wiggle rooms have drained the Democratic base of all passion. "Why should I care?" are words I hear over and over again from stalwart Democrats who worked their hearts out in the last election.
The Republican base, meanwhile, is on a rampage. It's more and more energized by its mad-as-hell populists. Tea partiers, libertarians, Birchers, birthers, and Dick Armey astro-turfers are channeling the economic anxieties of millions of Americans against "big government."
Technically, the Dems have the majority in Congress and could still make major reforms. But conservative, "blue-dog" Dems won't go along. They say the public has grown wary of government. But they must know the public hasn't grown even more wary of big business and Wall Street, on which effective government is the only constraint.
Anyone with an ounce of sanity understands government is the only effective countervailing force against the forces that got us into this mess: Against Goldman Sachs and the rest of the big banks that plunged the economy into crisis, got our bailout money, and are now back at their old games, dispensing huge bonuses to themselves. Against WellPoint and the rest of the giant health insurers who are at this moment robbing us of the care we need by raising their rates by double digits. Against giant corporations that are showing big profits by continuing to lay off millions of Americans and cutting the wages of millions of more, by shifting jobs abroad and substituting software. Against big oil and big utilities that are raising prices and rates, and continue to ravage the atmosphere.
If there was ever a time to connect the dots and make the case for government as the singular means of protecting the public from these forces it is now. Yet the White House and the congressional Dem's ongoing refusal to blame big business and Wall Street has created the biggest irony in modern political history. A growing portion of the public, fed by the right, blames our problems on "big government."
Much of the reason for the Democrats' astonishing reluctance to place blame where it belongs rests with big business's and Wall Street's generous flows of campaign donations to Dems, coupled with their implicit promise of high-paying jobs once Democratic officials retire from government. This is the rot at the center of the system. And unless or until it's remedied, it will be difficult for the President to achieve any "change you can believe in."
To his credit, Obama himself has not scaled back his health-care ambitions all that much, and he appears, intermittently, to want to push conservative blue-dog Dems to join him on a bigger jobs bill, tougher financial reform, and a more effective approach to global warming. (His overtures to Republicans seem ever more transparently designed to give blue-dog Dems cover to vote with him.)
But our President is not comfortable wielding blame. He will not give the public the larger narrative of private-sector greed, its nefarious effect on the American public at this dangerous juncture, and the private sector's corruption of the democratic process. He has so far eschewed any major plan to get corporate and Wall Street money out of politics. He can be indignant- as when he lashed out at the "fat cats" on Wall Street - but his indignance is fleeting, and it is no match for the faux indignance of the right that blames government for all that ails us.

















I have many pithy ways of expain'n why the Dems don't do anything. 1) Dems got no balls, 2) You need a Decider, not a fence rider, etc.
But the bottom line is that the Dems and Republicans both work for the same guys with fat wallets. The only difference is that Dems have to keep up the pretence of being for the little guy.
At least we're not as hippocrit...hypercritical....whatever that big word is.
March 1, 2010 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The Dem base is lethargic because congressional Democrats continue to compromise on everything the Dem base cares about."
The real problem is that the Democrats have been compromising with themselves. The only time they stood up to the Republicans was when they were going to stay in session during Christmas to get the HCR out of committee.
The Republicans folded like a house of cards in a high wind.
What neither party seems to realize is that if they provided good, sound government, they would have a permanent majority. Neither political party is providing that so the voters are energized when the opposition party is in power and are lethargic when their partry is in power.
The politicians in either party do not care since they have the best health care, retirement system, and job prospects they could possibly vote for themselves.
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March 1, 2010 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Johann
You're correct. Going back to last spring/summer, Obama and the Democrats most certainly knew what the Republican response to health care reform would be.
Why didn't Obama, right from the start, call for a "health care summit?"
Can you imagine the panic that would have instigated within the ranks of the fractured GOP???
Instead, the Democrats first tried "town hall" meetings.
That backfired.
Then, the left figured they had a super-majority in both houses of Congress and therefore didn't need to even bring the Republicans into the debate. People point to the election of Scott Brown as the ultimate undoing of this gamble, but that's actually only partly correct.
Over the last 6-8 months, the Republicans have been able to formulate a strategy. Fox News and AM talk radio represents their voices.
Simply put, the Democrats are just being completely outplayed in "the game." John Kerry, in his recent post here at TPM, even gives tacit acknowledgment to this.
Even as Obama, Reid, and Pelosi convince themselves that using reconciliation is the right thing to do, the Republicans are easily winning the public relations battle on that front. It's almost like we can see the play developing well before it happens.
The Democrats SHOULD have engaged the Republicans at the outset of the health care reform debate.
No, better yet, they should have PRETENDED to engage the Republicans. That way, the Republicans would have been caught so completely off guard by this political olive branch, they would have demonstrated for everyone to see just how empty their reservoir of ideas truly is.
But it seems like the Democrats just don't have that kind of "strategery" in them...
March 2, 2010 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
"But the bottom line is that the Dems and Republicans both work for the same guys with fat wallets"
"According to Marxism-Leninism all capitalist nations follow a plutocratic government mixed with imperialism, and the only way to change this is through a mass revolution by the proletariat. The plutocratic state's lack of social mobility is a result of exploitation of the masses, preventing the workers from climbing out of poverty."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy
March 1, 2010 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
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And that is why the candidate of change became the president of continuity.
The 2 party system is broken, and the ones that are hurt the most are the middle class.
March 1, 2010 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely - production gains are sky-high, median income flatlined, over the past decade. That graph tells the whole story, and this administration could makes that case - if it wanted to.
Disappointing? In the extreme.
March 1, 2010 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
For a year now it's been nothing but compromises, watered-down ideas, weakened provisions, wider loopholes, softened regulations.
2006 to today has been disappointing, to say the least.
March 1, 2010 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I too have just about given up. A few days ago I was asked to be a committeeperson and told them that I could not see wasting my time working for people who if they aren't working against me, aren't working against those who are working against me.
Remember when Bill Clinton wiped the smirk off of Chris Wallace's face in 2006 and how that fired up the base? How come our leaders are so scared to put Republican weenies like Cantor and Alexander in their places. These guys want to be professors while the people who voted them in want leaders. It's just too damn depressing.
Watch what happens with those vacancies on the Fed? Does anyone think that Obama will appoint and fight for anyone on the Fed who will make Lloyd Blankfein soil his pants? If you do I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
March 1, 2010 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally. When every day is a fight, we want someone who is going fight for us. And we don't mean just say "I'm going to fight for you." That means landing some punches. That means putting them on the mat. Are Democrats really weenies? I guess we are going to find out.
March 1, 2010 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Republicans don't have the brains to govern. Democrats don't have the balls.
March 1, 2010 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed, Fusion.
And the voters don't have the attention span to do anything serious about these gross anatomical abnormalities in the body politic.
Wasn't it obvious from the start that the endless mindless mantra about "hope" and "change" was meaningless hot air? Clearly it was NOT obvious, or else why are people so surprised now?
March 1, 2010 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dem reality: "Change you can believe in? How 'bout corporate campaign dollars I can bank instead?"
Have pity on poor ObamaRahm. Tough choices are being made.
March 1, 2010 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Against better judgement, I'm going to see what strictures Obama and the D'crats put on the recent SCOTUS-granted unlimited corporate 'free $peech' spending. If it's tough, I might keep some faith.
Yet, when I get calls from the DNC, DSCC, DCCC, DLC, etc. I really lay into them.
March 1, 2010 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
"But they must know the public hasn't grown even more wary of big business and Wall Street, on which effective government is the only constraint."
In the above, I presume "hasn't" should read "has".
March 1, 2010 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dem reality: "Change you can believe in? How 'bout corporate campaign dollars I can bank instead?"
Have pity on poor ObamaRahm. Tough choices are being made.
March 1, 2010 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this misdiagnoses the problem. As a member of the base in good standing, I don't really care whether Democrats in elected office blame corporate greed, or Republican obstruction, or the phases of the moon for the country's problems. I want them to pass their agenda. If the only point they have to make is "Look! We can't pass anything, even with our huge Congressional majorities! And it's all the fault of [X]!" then I am going to spend zero time and money working for their reelection -- and why should I? Either pass an agenda, or go home.
March 1, 2010 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
They ARE passing their agenda. That's the scary fact! My Gawd, the won't even reform the financial industry after financial collapse.
March 1, 2010 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely spot-on, Mr. Reich. You too, Decider.
It is mind-boggling that the Obama team that so effectively plugged into (and articulated) the public's discontent and demand for change during the election campaign has gone so tone-deaf now that it is in office.
Voters still massively support fundamental, progressive changes to how Washington works. But inside the bubble, far too many Democrats think it's business as usual. It is not, and hopefully will never be again. Unfortunately, it may take a crushing rout and a period of wandering in the wilderness for individual Democratic politicians to understand that.
Worse, they are likely to completely misinterpret why the voters are throwing them out.
March 1, 2010 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is exactly as I read the problem. And the solution? There is none. They will gladly give up power again instead of doing what needs to be, and should be done, for the good of our country just so they can personally benefit when they leave government. And from what I understand the president hates being saddled with the 'change we believe in' albatross. Which fits perfectly with your narrative.
March 1, 2010 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is too cynical and oversimplified to be believed.
March 2, 2010 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone who's surprised that Year One of unified Democratic governance, such as it is, has been a huge disappointment hasn't been following politics or the modern Democratic party very long. Yes, they're hopeless wimps. Yes, they're hopelessly compromised. And believe it or not, they're so much less compromised and wimpy than they were 15 years ago, but still, it's appalling.
That said, even though I girded myself for the inevitable failure to live up to the party's ideals, I find I can't muster much enthusiasm for "the alternative is so much worse." That's just not something you can run on. It'll get the die-hards out on election day, but it won't get anything near the margins needed to alleviate serious losses and possibly loss of control.
March 1, 2010 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gosh, what was that pollster's first clue?
March 1, 2010 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem starts in the WH with a President who leads by following. The concessions begin before the negotiation does.
The legislative process by definition means compromise and strongly desired programs get jettisoned our watered down, so I less disappointed with Congress, as I didn't expect much more than the politics will allow. But as I've written in the past, I didn't expect much from Obama, but I'm amazed at how little he's produced.
Cynically. it would have been best for McCain to win. Everything would be totally eff'd up, but he'd be getting the blame.
March 1, 2010 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The problem starts in the WH with a President who leads by following. The concessions begin before the negotiation does."
Well said! That can work where both sides know and respect each other, say, Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan, or Dwight Eisenhower and Senate Democratic Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson. But first they landed punches on each other so each knew that one going too far on stupid issues would get one hurt. Now, it's "Play nice, or else." Or else what? No one has been hurt by flipping President O off. If I wanted something from him that's where I would start.
March 1, 2010 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
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December 16, 2010 4:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
No matter what, we're going to get the government we deserve...that is as a group. I don't deserve the one you're going to give me, but I'll get used to President palin. We lived through bush....we'll live through her. Somehow. I think. Besides, I'll have a lot more time for my family when I quit paying attention to politics again. I won't be able to watch her on a daily basis.
March 1, 2010 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who says we survived Bush? Just because he's no longer in office does not mean that we have lived through him. We will be living with the Roberts supreme court for 25 years, we are still living with the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war and we will be living with them long after they are over, we will be living with the residual effects of the housing bubble, the finacial melt downs and god knows what else for a couple generations.
No we can't survive a Palin presidency. This country is on the fast slide to the bottom as it is.
March 2, 2010 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it's all our leaders' fault for demoralizing us so much that we're perfectly happy to see what happens under Speaker Bachmann and Senate Majority Leader DeMint. We will bear no personal responsiblilty whatsoever for that, it will all be their own fault. If they can't make things better in two years, there's simply no reason at all not to just let them become a whole lot worse. Let's go ahead and let the Republicans kill the country. Then those Democrats will be sorry they didn't do what we wanted.
And, best of all, we will bear absolutely no personal responsbility for the consequences whatsoever. That's the only lesson anyone can possibly draw from what happened in 1994 and 2000.
March 1, 2010 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Repeal of Glass-Steagall, implementation of Free Trade, repeated large tax cuts for the wealthy seems to occur at lightning speed but for 'liberal' reforms we are being told we are too impatient expecting quicker results than ones that take decades to achieve?
March 1, 2010 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
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March 1, 2010 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops. Here it is... maybe: Senate approves renewal of Patriot Act
March 1, 2010 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Largely ignored.
Did TPM even mention it?
March 1, 2010 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
So the reauthorized Bush's Patriot Act on a voice vote? And the VERY POWERFUL Senator Leahy was left only to meekly lament he 'would have liked to have added some oversight'. Truly pathetic and impotent are these Democratic leaders we have.
March 1, 2010 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
How do we keep the heat under them? Ultimately, because it is a democracy, it IS our responsibililty.
March 1, 2010 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know if it is possible Curt. Hell between 60% - 70% want at a minimum a public option in any HCR and we are being told by DC that isn't possible...so if the will of basically 2/3 of the American people can be ignored they probably feel they can ignore our will whenever they want to.
March 1, 2010 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's go ahead and let the Republicans kill the country. Then those Democrats will be sorry they didn't do what we wanted.
The Dems face three overlapping structural problems:
1.) "Centrist" Dems (i.e. the pseudo-Republican variety) believe the polls showing that the liberal base is much, much smaller than the conservative one. So a base-motivating strategy automatically loses -- especially if independents are favoring the GOP-flavored Kool-Aid. But tilting to the "center" deflates the liberal base, which are the people you need to turn out in an off-year election.
2.) "Centrist" Dems believe the business community is and always will be GOP-leaning, and so naturally fear they will be pulled from the corporate funding tit if they embrace the base. But it gets even worse: Even many liberal Dems (like Obama?) are convinced that "business confidence" is the key to recovery, and worry that if they come down too hard on Wall Street or vote for more ambitious job-creation programs, etc. the result will only be more layoffs and a softer economy.
3.) The path of least resistance in this country has always (or at least, since about 1933) been to blame Big Gummit for everything that's going wrong with Big Bidness. The fact that Big Bidness entirely owns and almost completely controls Big Media helps keep it the path of least resistance.
Those are some awfully powerful reasons for your average chicken-shit Blue Dog to stiff the base at every turn -- and for your average liberal Democrat to go along, willingly or unwillingingly.
The problem is that both groups end up trying to offset those missing base votes by winning over the "moderates" -- the most weak-minded, indecisive, and generally clueless voters of them all.
Describing the problem is a hell of lot easier than fixing it. It's fine to argue that Democratic base voters should be smart enough to understand what their party is up against -- and that the right-wing alternative
is still much, much worse. But it isn't realistic to expect them to turn out enthusiastically to vote for/contribute to people who have failed them again and again and again -- even if those failures were all politically necessary.
That's asking more than human nature is usually willing to give.
March 1, 2010 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It does not make any difference! Are we still in more than two wars that we don't need to fight? Are we still letting the Chinese loot our jobs? Are we still refusing to reform the financial industry? Are we still failing to pass a jobs bill that amounts to more than a month's worth of funding for Iraq (one of the wars we do not need to fight)? Are we still failing on healthcare? infrastructure? labor? education? civil liberties?
We're like a bunch of zombies sitting at the slots figuring if we just keep putting the credit card in the slot that some day we're going to hit the jackpot.
Get help for your addiction fellow registered Democrats! If you keep voting for this party expecting differet results you are delusional.
The are failing us on purpose!
March 1, 2010 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
In his continuing quest to dredge up excuses for the WH and the Democratic "leadership" in Congress, NCStrawman once again decides to.... Blame The Voters!.
Kind of like Phil Gramm did during the campaign, when he called us all a bunch of whiners and mental cases.
That should work out well for you, NCStrawman.
March 2, 2010 2:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo! This isn't about Steve King or Glenn Beck or the Tea Partiers. This is about Democrats on the legislative front line letting down their constrituents because they only listen when money is involved. This is a democracy, and our "leaders" work for us, or, at least, they're supposed to. Anymore spinelessness, and those constituents are going to decide they have more in common with those who despise this governnment and the corrupt noodlers in it.
March 1, 2010 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Reich, I don't know how much more clear we could have made this issue to your pollster friend. On Jan 19, after the MA election, I wrote a brief post with the headline:
"Once again, Democrats try to get elected by Republicans, wonder why plan fails."
The post itself was simply:
"The sad thing about this is that it is not a headline in The Onion.
I just don't know how they expect to win elections when passionate democrats cannot bring themselves to campaign for them."
Others have been saying the same thing (much better than I could) for months now.
Democratic politicians whose real constituents are lobbies, special interests and big business can try to do what Republican politicians do when it comes time for an election, which is buy lots of votes cheap by energizing various single-issue sctors of the voting population: evangelicals, abortion foes, gun enthusiasts, etc. It works very well for Republicans because there's no obvious cost for this once elected other than talking about it and enacting a bit of mostly ceremonial legislation, nothing that impedes the interests of the true constituents.
This vote-buying just doesn't work as well for Democrats who want to pay lip service to populist concerns while "feeding the greed" back at the Beltway. The price of a Democratic vote is higher, and the Democrat who votes for you is going to expect something substantial for his or her vote. When that something substantial conflicts with the interests of the special interests, big business and lobbies, well, there's going to be a problem.
The "Can't Buy My Vote" Democrats have put Democratic Politicians in a spot where they must choose between their comfort in congress and votes at home. It really has come down to "Their Money or My Vote" (or services as a campaigner for their re-election, which is even more important.) And rightly so. We elect Politicians to go to work for our interests, not their own.
The "Green Tea Partiers" are not going to stop talking about this issue, and since they represent some of the most progressive, principled, passionate Democrats out there, party leadership really does need to take notice.
March 1, 2010 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"He will not give the public the larger narrative of private-sector greed, its nefarious effect on the American public at this dangerous juncture, and the private sector's corruption of the democratic process. He has so far eschewed any major plan to get corporate and Wall Street money out of politics."
This is exactly why John Edwards' major campaign theme resonated so strongly with us progressive Democrats. He clearly and explicitly articulated the primary threat of out-of-control income inequality to middle class Americans.
And no, just like most of my European friends, I really don't care who he shares his personal private time with, or the tired "gotcha" games of the media.
March 1, 2010 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
John Edwards, the poster boy for putting the needs of the nation ahead of his personal desires.
Oh, and how many votes did he get.
March 1, 2010 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edwards, the pretty face and slick talker kissed Bush and Cheney's rearends all the way to Abu Ghraib. Good riddance!
March 1, 2010 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man, you've got to be kidding me. Giving up & letting anything resembling the bush administration back in is the answer? NO EFFING WAY! The answer is, go with the best of the two, which is obvious, then improve it, then improve it some more, & so on. If our reps need a big kick in their collective butts with a dose of backbone & guts, then it's us & only us that can do that. The bush administration is what inspired me to get active & participate. They exposed themselves for what they really are & the effect that truly has my life & that's a couple of lifetimes worth of enthusiasm for me & I bet a lot of others here. DON'T EVER FORGET!!!
March 1, 2010 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
All that rhetoric you hear about "fighting" for this and "fighting" for that only applies tot he leaders. Real liberals run and hide as soon as the going gets tough.
Honestly, I think there is something in the psychology of those who find themselves at the edge of their own political coalitions that they would almost prefer to be in opposition since they are bound to be disappointed one way or another.
March 1, 2010 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Real liberals are just going to stop voting for the Democratic Party. We're never going to be able to fight the Republican Party as long as the Democratic Party is serving as their body armor.
March 1, 2010 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Real liberals are just going to stop voting for the Democratic Party."
"Real liberals" would do everything in their power to prevent to naked corporatism (with its Christianist leavening) of the Republicans from taking complete control of our government. If you stop voting, you can't fairly label yourself politically at all, unless you consider "irrelevant malcontent" a political label.
March 1, 2010 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
BOOM! Thank you.
March 1, 2010 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not going to stop voting. I'm going to stop voting for Democrats. They equal the Republicans as corporatists. The Republicans are bit loonier on social issues but the Democrats won't do anything about that anyway. (I know, they're going to reverse DODT SOMEDAY or was that Somewhere over the Rainbow). The far right might even be better on some civil liberties issues than the establishment Dems ("Patriot" Act renewed on voice vote.)
March 1, 2010 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then I guess centrist D's aren't real liberals, thanks for clearing that up. Judging by the giveaways to pharma, health insurers and investment banks I am guessing they are all for corporatism.
March 1, 2010 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are certainly far more solicitousness of corporate interests than I wish anyone in the Democratic Party was.
But the first two big bills to come down the pike from the current Democratic administration are an almost billion-dollar bill that funded infrastructure improvements and targeted tax cuts at lower-income Americans, and a bill that establishes the provision of health care for all Americans as a responsibility of the government.
The first thing Bush did was re-institute massive tax cuts targeted primarily at the wealthiest and drove us back into massive deficit spending which, according to Republicans today, is only slightly less worse than child molestation. His second piece of legislation was the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists" after September 11, and ten days later, the Patriot Act.
So for "Real Liberals," who are supposed to be the reality-based ones, to claim that there is not enough difference between the parties to justify voting for one (or against another), just seems to be motivated more out of spite and frustration than out of a sober weighing of political options and priorities.
I wish we had a party of Roosevelts and the Johnson of the Great Society, but we obviously don't. But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be strongly and consistently supported when faced with their Republican alternative.
March 1, 2010 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
And no "Johnson of the Great Society" jokes. This is a serious discussion.
March 1, 2010 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well in 'normal times' that might be an ok record to run on. But these are desparate times and call for drastic measures brew. You can repeat over and over and over to the choir that we have no choice but to get out to vote. But we're not enthused to do so. And if the hardcore supporters, the base, is not enthused what do you think the mood of the voters in general, the ones who are mainly not hardcore but we're part of the Audacity of Hope, is going to be seeing very little of note has been delivered in these tumultuous times? Unless something big can be delivered, which I doubt it will with the D's unwillingness to take on the R's and the D's unwavering deference to their corporate overlords, I see a disaster waiting to happen this November. Panic in Detroit.
March 1, 2010 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I missed the gist of your meaning & you missed or ignored mine. I was just saying that no matter what, the answer is not the GOP & this theme of enthusiasm is only geared towards today. I'm eternally enthused to not let the right ever in power again.
March 1, 2010 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not in control? What was it now, $15B for jobs and how much is now for our needless wars without end? Could somebody update me on the current tally for Iraq and Afghanistan or do we just not have calculators that can display that many zeroes?
March 1, 2010 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time for your pills?
March 1, 2010 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time for you to stop taking yours. Maybe if you'd awake from sedation you'd figure out that a party that never fails to support a war bill and never manages to pass a labor bill has long since joined the right.
March 1, 2010 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've got pet peeves, I'll give you that.
March 1, 2010 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
All that rhetoric you hear about "fighting" for this and "fighting" for that only applies tot he leaders. Real liberals run and hide as soon as the going gets tough.
Etc.
When you've got something to add besides ad hominems and armchair psychoanalysis, let us know. Thanks.
March 2, 2010 2:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am as disappointed as anyone but do we roll over and play dead?
What we need to do is start our progressive Tea-Parties or something like this
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/21121/Tea_Party_Out_-_Coffee_Party_In.html
We need to get in the medias face as well as our little sissy Democratic reps and let them see that we want OUR country back from the people who obstruct, distort and lie about policies and politics.
The thing we have to remember is that the media can make any minority look like a majority if they run items about them over and over because, just like the fights in hockey games, that is what people tune in for.
Lets out tea party the tea baggers.
March 1, 2010 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The tea partiers stand for nothing except rudeness and imbecility. We don't need to imitate their brainlessness and meaningless noise. We need to get busy in the primaries and kick the roughly 80% of Congressional Democrats who are worthless cowards out of public service and replace them with new representatives who are human leaders with backbones not spineless nematods.
March 1, 2010 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you! I was hoping someone would mention this. One thing we have than isn't available from corporations is votes. We can vote an incumbent Democratic senator out of office by defeating him or her in the primaries. Fortunately only a third of the senators is up for election every two years, so we can combine our efforts a lot more than when the House is being elected.
Lieberman was defeated in the primary, and would be history now if his state didn't have idiotic laws making primaries irrelevant. That is an exception. If we all concentrate on the blue dogs up for election now, like Blanche Lincoln, we can defeat them.
But, when progressive organizations like MoveOn and the Progressive Democrats start the ball rolling by asking us to donate to Lincoln's democratic opponent, all you get is bitching here on TPM. It is time to put up or shut up. We can only win by winning one election at a time.
March 1, 2010 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good points, Hoppy, however I don't know Lincoln, and it only makes sense to throw money against him or her if the alternative is actually a solide alternative. As for Lieberman, whose Bushass-kissing we all know too well, I'm afraid the word idiotic needs to be applied first and foremost to the people of Connecticut who voted in 2008 to have that by then longstanding traitor continue to misrepresent them. But even there, worse alternatives are imaginable. The real problem it seems to me is a general lack of education and attentiveness amongst the electorate and an overabundance of shallow-thinking and apathy.
March 2, 2010 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on Bernie Sanders.
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March 1, 2010 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about it, RR, will you join with Bernie's party? Let's get everyone aligned with the base to renounce the "Democratic" party and reform with Bernie at the core. Frack yeah, we'll give 'em socialism!
March 1, 2010 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
We'll have to have Bernie's picks at the State level too.
Maybe Nader’s grassroots organizations are still prepared?
Men are moved by two levers only: fear and self interest.
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The Capitalistic Republican and Democratic parties, have no fear, that is why they keep screwing WE THE PEOPLE.
Replacing them with another shill of the two Capitalist parties will not make them change.
Maybe fear will work?
The slave class is nearing rebellion, ready to storm the walls.
At what point will the masters realize, their self-interest is better served by attending to the peoples needs?
A rising tide can raise all boats, unless the boat is so anchored; a flood of resentment instead swamps it.
Who can turn back cynicism or distrust?
If the people don’t want a Democratic Socialism system to replace a PROVEN FAILURE, what next; anarchy?
Imagine no more war machine, to defend American Capitalism abroad.
http://chnm.gmu.edu/courses/122/vietnam/lecture.html
It was said the Vietnamese didn't care for either the Communists or the American Capitalist system.
They figured just stop the bombing; let us grow our food, so we can support our families.
Soviet Proverb: They Pretend To Pay Us, and We Pretend To Work.
But not to be undone by the American workforce and a lack of productivity, the Capitalist paries allow they're Corporate masters to move there operations oversees, or flood the market with cheap foreign workers.
Maybe when they see the handwriting on the wall and it appears they "are going to lose everything" you think they'll be moved by fear in order to preserve?
Frankly I think greed has blinded the eyes of both the Republicans and the Democrats.
If not Bernie, who? Find someone quick, the next election cycle has begun.
No more Republicans or Democrats
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March 1, 2010 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lets not forget Obama escalating the Afghanistan war beyond anything Democratic voters thought he was talking about in the campaign. And I wonder if he won't keep more troops in Iraq than he said. And he caved so quickly on Israeli settlements; he won't accomplish anything there.
Obama is a huge disappointment for many voters and that is just a fact. He won't even hold the torturers and their accomplices accountable; thats just too hard. If he doesn't get anything done on a healthcare bill this year, I don't think he and the Democrats in Congress will go back to it. They are all fine, healthcare guaranteed for life.
Why should I care about keeping the Democrats in power? I don't believe the Repubicans can cut Social Security and Medicare or recriminalize abortion.
March 1, 2010 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
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March 1, 2010 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The sky is falling.
March 1, 2010 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't speak for other core constituencies but labor's about had it up to here. Never mind the Employee Free Choice Act, we're more than a year into Obama's Presidency and we can't even get appointments to the NLRB confirmed. Craig Becker and Mark Pearce are both outstanding nominees who deserve confirmation, and if not, then at least recess appointments. Obama's failre to get even this done, which should be a no-brainer, has folks like me just shaking our heads.
No I don't want the Republicans in charge, but really, what have we gotten for all the mobilizing and fundraising in 2006 and 2008?
March 1, 2010 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
We’re all disappointed in Obama, but the fact is, if we pressured him, he’d probably step up to the plate and be the hero we all hoped for when we voted for him. The problem is that our major progressive organizations like MoveOn and others have millions of members that still think he’s a progressive. They assume if Obama is pushing the bill, it must be in our best interests. They want to click on a survey link saying they support his policies, and feel like they’re making the world better. So all of our big progressive groups won’t come out against his policies. But if they did, and if we had better solutions than either the Dems or the Repubs are proposing, I think Obama would step up the plate and be the Change agent we all hoped for.
Take health care reform, for instance. Instead of giving us true reform, Obama and our Democrats have come up with this “Insurance Industry Profit Protection and Enhancement Act.” This faux reform bill will force us to pay the very insurance companies that are destroying our health care system. (And don’t believe him when he says the rich will pay for this new boondoggle. The middle class always has and always will pay for everything.) Obama has even abandoned the one component of reform that would help us most – the public option.
If progressives want true healthcare reform, we should demand that Congress drop the individual mandate and simply give us a public option in the form of expanded Medicare at cost, along with the sensible reform ideas in the bill (allow purchasing across state lines, remove preexisting condition limitations, reduce prescription prices by removing Bush era constraints, create the exchange and find ways to get Medicaid recipients into it, and tort reform to reduce out of control medical malpractice claims).
This solution I’m suggesting is not socialized medicine, because people can still choose to pay the rip-off insurance companies if they want. Hence, there won’t be a huge backlash against government takeover of health care. By providing the public option at a less expensive price than what for-profit insurance companies can offer, with a the additional reform ideas that stabilize the non-federal system, we’d be actually utilizing our government for one of its major purposes – the opportunity to pool our resources to create systems that can provide more than what individual citizens could have on their own. Like roads and environmental programs, the government is the perfect vehicle to allow us to join forces and create a viable and sustainable health care system in America. But we’re not going to get there unless we get the insurance industry out of the loop.
When the people lead, the leaders will follow. It’s time to set a direction for our President and our Democratic Party that pulls the rug out from the Insurance industry’s death grip on our government. Obama might just become the hero we all wish he was if we step up the plate ourselves and create more sensible solutions to our healthcare crisis.
March 1, 2010 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
John Kerry, in his blog "This is not a game" just provided an wonderful and timely example of why the Democratic base isn't enthusiastic.
With Senators like Kerry, who confuse leadership with whining on TPM Cafe about how powerless they are to make a difference, what's to get enthusiastic about?
March 1, 2010 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Regardless of Dems typical ineffectiveness and dithering, supporters need to realize what the alternative is, regression. Plain and simple. There has to be a get over yourself moment with the realization that the Democrats' heterogeneity and Big Tent philosophy will make their task of governing more difficult because of all the disparate interests that became fed up with Rethugs running roughshod over their interests. Liberals had huge expectations but need to grow up. Obama never promised the City on the Hill and an uncompromised bill was never possible due to the nature of the party. Just as the Rethugs were ready to tear themselves apart, with Tea Party's Frankenstein's monster, the Dems beat them to the punch and began eating their own over not getting the Full Monty on Health Care, Guantanamo, Afghanistan, .... should I go on? Obama had a rough Freshman year and needs to develop a top down style to augment his Big Tent philosophy. The Blair House Summit didn't help legislators but they have to realize that not passing a form of Health Care will make them look completely ineffective. And SCOTUS was hoping for the Full Monty as you know the skank Roberts is just drooling to get it on the docket, any takers on Skilling having his sentence overturned. They're worse than Bush.
March 1, 2010 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm. Lots of enthusiasm -- even passion -- on this blog.
You'd think some Democrats would ask themselves, "Hey, how come none of that enthusiasm is for me? How can I tap into that passion?"
You'd think that, but you'd be wrong.
March 1, 2010 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not "enthusiasm", properly speaking - just passionately frustrated rage. Same as on talk radio.
Maybe at some point all these "progressives" in the "progressive base" will stop blaming politicians for the fact that most of us can't assemble three coherent thought about precisely what we would like the government to accomplish.
March 1, 2010 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I want the government to accomplish? Right now 2 things Dan...just something or anything of note. Either would do...
March 2, 2010 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
End the wars and fund universal healthcare. I could go on, but I'll wait till they make those two fixes.
March 2, 2010 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Both Libertine and Bluebell only assembled two thoughts, so let me try:
I want Obama to stop the foolish wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, within the next 6 months or sooner.
I want Obama to use the power of his office to get a health care reform bill passed, that is something to be proud of and not just a token.
I want Obama to give up the extra-confidential powers that Bush claimed and that Obama refused to give up to date.
I want Obama to encourage the Justice Department to dig deeply into the law breaking done by the Bush administration and at least publicize it, but preferably prosecute it.
I want Obama to stop courting Republicans in Congress and try to mend his bridges to progressive members of Congress.
I want Obama to use the power of his office to get a bill passed to regulate the financial market gamblers, AKA investment banks.
I want Obama to go back to persuading Israel to act like a civilized nation and stop acting like the reincarnation of the old South African nation.
I phrased all of those as request of Obama, since he in the President and therefore responsible for everything his administration does or does not do.
March 2, 2010 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
This your latest statement, my well-meaning but misguided Mr. Hoppy, almost perfectly encapsulates the lazy thinking by which the Democrats in America have managed to self-destruct and turn a massive mandate a year ago in a pile of useless silly-puddy today.
Mr. Obama is the smartest and most dedicated president since JFK at least. And AT LAST someone in Washington that does not massively embarrass America before the world and the pages of history. BUT let us try to recall from the collective amnesia of the feel-good-while-always-losing invertebrate lowlife that the Democratic Party has become, that Barack Obama came into the White House (1) with even less prior experience than the terribly underqualified GW Bush and (2) with the country in its worst national and international economic and political mess since 1932 at least.
There is no way that Obama has OR EVER HAD a snowball's chance in hell of accomplishing the grab-bag wish list you HOPE he might somehow manage (and even less so when applied generally, since yours overall is a less expansive pie-in-the-sky than what many naive "hope and change" Democrats idly dream of). The MOST Obama could and SHOULD ever have been expected to do was to preside with inspiring rhetoric and cordial diplomacy over a forceful and skillful agenda of clean-up and reform coming from a competent and unified Democrat leadership in the Congress. Needless to say, what we actually have on Capitol Hill is the polar opposite: one of the all-time most pitifully useless gangs of cowardly children to ever disgrace a democratic (small d) government. As ONE brief member of that club, Obama bears at most 1/635th of the responsibility. The rest of the blame lies on us. All of us Americans: the voters supporting Idiot-Republicans and those supporting Do-Nothing-and-whine-like-hell-about-it Democrats.
March 3, 2010 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since all we could expect from the best and brightest ever to occupy the White House is stirring oratory and friendly foreign relations, why does it matter who becomes president? Sarah Palin - just more stirring oratory. Romney - more friendly foreign relations. David Paterson - still more friendly relations, especially domestic. So, what's the big deal about who becomes president? Hey, I might as well run too.
March 3, 2010 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're forgetting the avoidance of corruption, excessive doubletalk, sub-par IQ levels, and monumental incompetence: reasons contributing, inter alia, to Obama's electoral victory and Palin's defeat in 2008. That brief lack of recollection is understandable, however, because voters having an ounce of common sense after 8 years of disaster is not the question here. The question is why can a 59% majority in Congress barely manage to do jacksh-- to clean up after that disaster, and instead go on and on whining about things like babies missing their rattles?
March 3, 2010 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Every week the media gets very hyper and gleefully pushes the Democratic doom narrative when a new poll comes out showing that voters very excited about casting their ballots this fall strongly favor the GOP. In many cases the number among 'very excited' voters gets more play than the overall numbers. That's a mistake.
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