Where the Power Elite Gets Its Power
I've seen columnists obsessed; I've seen them rage or swoon over the objects of their obsessions. But nothing compares with New York Times columnist David Brooks' love-hate fixation on Washington's Ivy Leaguers.
This morning, he wrings his hands over the "system of promotion" that produces these wunderkinder. But recently he was showering the same people and system with breathless admiration. One day, he snarks; another day, he coos -- at the same people, from the same institutions!
I used to wonder if it all depended on whether or not they were returning his calls. But this compulsive see-sawing reflects a deeper personal envy and insecurity that keeps him -- and those who find his column thought-provoking -- from facing the real problem. It's not elitism (a perennial in human nature) but the encroachment of perverse new configurations of capitalist finance and consumption upon American leadership training.
Critics like Brooks can't analyze the Ivy League's capitulation to riptides of global capital marketing, consumer marketing, predatory marketing, and self-marketing -- at least they can't if he and others are swinging manically from Ivy envy to Ivy ingratiation and back. And forth. And back. Watch Brooks swing, and rue the loss to his readers of a better understanding:
This morning, he recycles a familiar, half-valid charge: Yale and Harvard, once crucibles for the certification of a WASPy, clubby, disciplined, and sometimes admirable elite, have become nervous diversitocracies that cultivate too much elitist talent and narrow technical knowledge but too little civic character, trust and contextual awareness.
Not only have we "opened up opportunities to women, African-Americans, Jews, Italians, Poles, Hispanics, and members of many other groups...[note the protective coloration in Brooks' list]; we've changed the criteria for success. It is less necessary to be clubbable. It is more important to be smart and hard-working," Brooks writes.
"Yet here's the funny thing. As we've made our institutions more meritocratic, their public standing has plummeted. We've increased the diversity and talent level of people at the top of society, yet trust in elites has never been lower."
It's not funny, and Brooks hasn't just noticed it now. This is the argument made years ago in the Wall Street Journal by one of his mentors, Charles Hill, a former executive assistant to Reagan Secretary of State George Shultz: Hill lamented that the foreign service had lost its competence by valuing color and narrow expertise over the seasoned bonding of a leadership class.
Hmm, didn't that class give us the Iran of the Shah and the Cuba we have today, not to mention the war in Vietnam? Yet Brooks assures us this morning that, once upon a time, the financial world, government, and journalism were run more effectively by these people, because they valued loyalty and trust more than narrow measures of "merit."
If only more of them had! Brooks insists that, in finance, "well-connected blue bloods" kept things stable, even honorable. In journalism, hard-drinking working stiffs gave us honest, down-to-earth reporting. In government, even party hacks brought more stability than do today's elite graduates of public policy schools.
Well, that's not quite how I'd assess the brokers, reporters, and politicians who gave us the War to end all Wars, the Great Depression, and the 1950s' military-industrial complex, consumer-marketing juggernaut and McCarthyism, not to mention the Bay of Pigs and that coup in Iran.
Brooks isn't wholly wrong to recycle my own argument that the Ivies have lost the principles and rites of passage of civic-republican leadership training and are becoming mere career factories and cultural gallerias for an anomic global ruling class that's accountable to no polity or moral code. The American republic sometimes did get better leadership from the older networks of civic trust, including even the "old" Yale I describe here, than it gets now.
Yet here's the funny thing: Brooks isn't being honest about what has weakened those networks, because he's obsessed with symptoms, not causes. Only a year and a half ago, he was lavishly praising the very same newer, narrower meritocrats whose rise he's now bemoaning. The "love" side of his Ivy fixation on them was surging in a column celebrating an influx of Clinton Ivy Leaguers into the new administration.
"[M]uch as I want to resent these over-educated Achievatrons," he wrote then, "I find myself tremendously impressed....." They're "twice as smart as the poor reporters who have to cover them, three times if you include the columnists." (By 'poor reporters,' does Brooks mean the hard-drinking, honest working stiffs he praised for good journalism, or columnists from the University of Chicago, like himself?)
In 2008, he assured us, the Ivy League meritocrats coming to Washington are "open-minded individuals who are persuadable by evidence..... They are.... hardheaded and pragmatic... They're thinking holistically -- there's a nice balance of policy wonks, governors and legislators." Mirabile dictu, they are "the best of the Washington insiders. Obama seems to have dispensed with the romantic and failed notion that you need inexperienced 'fresh faces' to change things." This time, "Obama is not bringing along an insular coterie of lifelong aides who depend upon him for their well-being."
Tell me if you can reconcile this with Brooks' fine-spun disdain for these same people, not only in this morning's column but, more tellingly, in a gloating, 2001 Wall Street Journal essay, "Bush In, Ivy Out". There, Brooks ridiculed the Ivy Leaguers who were being replaced by Americans "from inland state schools" under the apostate Yalies, Bush and Cheney: "The skills [George Bush] acquired in the Texas oil business [??!!] are suited for a world in which success and failure are measured by tangible accomplishments, like oil production levels and after-tax profits," Brooks wrote.
What a refreshing change that was going to be from elitist Ivy presumptions "suited to a world in which the definition of success is totally unrelated to tangible accomplishment of any kind." Peddling what he would later call "a romantic and failed notion," Brooks announced that Bush was cleansing Washington of the erudite Ivy League bluffing and arrogant insouciance that arouse "both awe and silent hatred" in regular Americans. He noted happily that Condoleezza Rice had gone to the University of Denver, Colin Powell to the City College of New York, Paul O'Neill to Fresno State, and Dick Cheney to the University of Wyoming -- after dropping out of Yale -- and that "Karl Rove, the brains behind the whole operation, has no college degree at all." Yes, the republic would be in better hands from January, 2001 on.
Somehow, though, even then, Brooks remained as mesmerized as he was galled by the Ivy League. In 2003, he devoted his very first Times column, "Bred for Power," to an elegy for the strong, civic-republican leadership training of the old schools attended by Howard Dean and John Kerry as well as by both George Bushes. (All of these were undergraduates at Yale -- as were L. Paul Bremer III, John Negroponte, and I. Scooter Libby, who was taught there by Paul Wolfowitz.)
By 2005, Brooks was getting snarky again. The disclosure of the identity of the Watergate source for Bob Woodward, a Yale graduate, prompted a nasty Brooks column about the compulsive networking of young Ivy grads like Woodward, who'd found his way to his Deep Throat source through just such ingratiation as a young reporter.
But then came Obama's ascent and the return of the liberal, "new school" Ivy meritocrats Bush had swept away. Suddenly they weren't callow and arrogant, but seasoned and broad-minded. Had they all experienced civic-republican epiphanies? Not particularly, although Larry Summers got something of a political makeover. Had Brooks himself changed? Not really. But the country had repudiated the conservative Republican partisanship he'd championed sinuously for all of his adult life until its fiscal recklessness and corruption, its Katrina paralysis, its Iraq War, and its enabling of the financial meltdown forced him to distance himself from most of what he'd been promoting.
What Brooks had been promoting was not the nuanced, Burkean conservatism he sometimes invokes but the riptides of corporate consumer marketing, predatory marketing, and self-marketing that were battering the very networks of trust and civic commitment he now wants us to appreciate -- the civic-republican leadership training grounds of the old Ivy League, the working-class solidarities of labor unions and parish sodalities.
He leaves us to assume what he has often claimed: that diversity-mad liberal relativists have undermined these institutions. But visit any Ivy League Economics 101 course or class in microeconomics, statistics, computer science, or most social sciences. The homunculae economicae and number-crunching "methodologues" at the podium aren't liberals or leftists, as Brooks used to charge, except in the "color equals culture" sense that big corporations embrace for management and marketing purposes.
"Diversity" itself is an industry, and universities themselves are run like corporations whose students and faculty members are "customers," as one unfortunate Yale memo actually put it. But, then, increasingly, students are customers: Thousands of visits per capita to vapid Internet sites and shopping malls before matriculation have annealed them against whatever the campus Marxists or post-modernists might hope to impart.
Just watch the Yale admissions video produced recently by two undergraduates, a paean to a garden of privilege with no palpable sense of its history and mission, and you'll understand the resentment Brooks plays to in his column. What he doesn't challenge is the pervasive ideology of free-marketing, self-marketing, predatory marketing at Yale and Harvard that normalizes orientations that are narrow and arbitrary, indeed
Conservative critics become vocal about this only when campus leftists are the pitchmen, like the Harvard Shakespearean scholar Marjorie Garber, who, in Vested Interests: Cross-Dressing and Cultural Anxiety and Sex and Real Estate, swings like a semioticist with marketing that's reshuffling our libidinal and racial decks. Conservatives also have fun howling about hypocrisy when other leftists administer revival meetings for penitent racists and sexists who want to feel better about making lots of money by backing reforms that divide blacks from blacks as well as blacks from whites, and whites from whites and women from women as well as women from men and men from men. That's progress, perhaps; but "progressive" it's not.
The left-liberal follies on campus that Brooks usually cites to explain the emphasis on color and credentials over trust and contextual awareness are mostly reactions to deeper currents that he never names. He calls occasionally for more conservative scholarship to rein in facile, meritocratic elitism, which he blames on the left: America warehouses its "radical lunatics ... in [academic] departments that operate as nunneries for the perpetually alienated." But lavishly funded nunneries for conservative lunatics are sprouting at Yale, Duke, George Mason, Claremont McKenna, Chicago, and elsewhere, and a few of them now hire conservative activists and national-security functionaries as teachers who cast Thucydides as a prophet of the war on terror.
That won't rein in the campus capitalist circus. It won't nurture the down-to-earth leadership Brooks wishes we had -- at least he wishes for it in today's column. It's easy, and a bit cheap, to lampoon and lament the soulless meritocracy that has drained old Ivy wellsprings of civic trust. It's harder to be honest about the causes, when that would require taking a look in the mirror.
Brooks will keep on dancing around that mirror, holding it up to others to make them feel guilty. He'll dispense barbed apercus while careening from Ivy envy to Ivy ingratiation and plucking those same chords in his fans. "[O]ur system of promotion has grown some pretty serious problems," he'll fret. But he won't name those problems' causes; he'll point fingers at their carriers, at least on the days he's resenting the carriers rather than courting them.

















An elite -- a nobility -- must know what honor requires of it and most fear failing to live up to honor's demands or else it will lead its society into perdition.
February 19, 2010 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
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December 16, 2010 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
David Brooks is a self-proclaimed pseudo-conservative.
February 19, 2010 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Yet here's the funny thing. As we've made our institutions more meritocratic, their public standing has plummeted. We've increased the diversity and talent level of people at the top of society, yet trust in elites has never been lower."
Brooks is a media hack that has absolutely no leg to stand on when washing his hands of his contribution to american anti-intellectual rhetoric. Lest we forget his "Latte Liberal" diatribes that gave so much traction to the anti-culture right wing echo chamber. He has been profiting handsomely off an american cultural backlash that would throw his ass under the bus in seconds were he not constantly feeding the misdirected resentment of the mid west.
February 19, 2010 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
"The skills [George Bush] acquired in the Texas oil business [??!!] are suited for a world in which success and failure are measured by tangible accomplishments, like oil production levels and after-tax profits," Brooks wrote.
How prescient this was. George W. Bush did indeed run the country like he "ran" Arbusto, Spectrum 7, and Harken Energy.
February 19, 2010 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
One difference. To fund Arbusto, Spectrum and Harken he borrowed from his Daddy. To fund his decade running the US into the ground he borrowed from his children. And ours.
February 19, 2010 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Certainly not his children. Rich people don't pay taxes for gosh sakes. What ever were you thinking?
February 20, 2010 6:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brooks is against any elite that doesn't count him among its membership. In that he's not entirely unique, of course, but that's really the cause of his love/hate relationship with his annointeds of the moment.
February 19, 2010 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Romantics v. Ironists -- mockers of TSE v. his admirers -- Baby Boomers v. Jonesers -- Sleeper v. Brooks
But who is the "Best" and who is the "Brightest"?
February 19, 2010 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brooks needs to lighten up and discuss this issue at an Applebee's salad bar with some regular Joes.
February 19, 2010 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Jim! These people are all still pretty much using anonymous avatars. Also, I doubt very much whether they've read your collected works. Sure you shouldn't come down here and badmouth them for these moral failures? Or do you only do that when they disagree with you?
Silly Sleeper.
P.S. Thanks for deleting my comment on your last thread. That was awesome.
February 19, 2010 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Professor Sleeper, if this is true (and Quinn doesn't lie so if it isn't true it's a misunderstanding you should clear up) then I'm surprised and disappointed.
February 19, 2010 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have absolutely no idea who "these people" are and what "anonymous avatars" are, and I've never deleted anyone's comment from any thread; I wouldn't even know how to do that and don't believe I have that option. So Quinn's comments here are partly unintelligible and partly false.
February 19, 2010 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the link Jim.
Not to make a big deal out of it, but I was rather surprised. You had been getting a bit irritated at what you called the web's "sad underside that is on display in this therad: People come together behind monikers that disguise their identities and experiences (or, often their lack of the latter).... This asymmetry is not, in fact, democratic, or constructive, and I'm sorry to say that the thread above is a particularly vivid instance of the destructive consequences for public discussion."
So, 1) These people = some/many of your readers. 2) Anonymous avatars = "monikers that disguise their identities."
I admit, I DID use a swear in my comment, beginning it with, "Jim, you are an ass." (Simply because you have to know how the site/forum works by now, and there's fairly obvious reasons why many people choose to be anonymous on a political website, eh? So to complain at this date seemed a bit... not on.)
I have no idea how the deletion happened, but I can assure you, my comment disappeared/was removed... by accident or someone.
Not a big deal, but not really the done thing in my books.
February 19, 2010 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, No. This IS a big deal in my book. Quinn's comment DID get deleted. I remember, because it is through his comment that I went to that thread originally. And it is now missing.
I didn't realize Café management went in and censored comments for somewhat forceful disagreement. Is this common? What is the policy?
It would be nice to have some input from Mr. Sleeper and/or TPM management on this.
February 20, 2010 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, No. This IS a big deal in my book. Quinn's comment DID get deleted. I remember, because it is through his comment that I went to that thread originally. And it is now missing.
I didn't realize Café management went in and censored comments for somewhat forceful disagreement. Is this common? What is the policy?
It would be nice to have some input from Mr. Sleeper and/or TPM management on this.
February 20, 2010 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for the double posting. Feel free to delete either one.
February 20, 2010 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
=D
Too funny.
February 20, 2010 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I also remember quinn's comment because it backed up my own comment about academia vs. the public square, addressed the issue of "anonymity," and ended with "Silly Sleeper."
Thanks, btw, for backing me up, q. I saw and appreciated your comment, although I wish I had cut-and-pasted it into a Word document for future reference and for reposting here for proof. Also, I can't remember it verbatim.
Yes, quinn's comment was definitely deleted from that thread.
February 20, 2010 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Quinn's comment was deleted, it was deleted before I saw it, so I never knew that it existed. Not only is any claim that I deleted it therefore false -- and this is a claim Quinn made here, in addition to calling me an ass -- but any attempt to fault me for having someone else delete it is deletion is dishonest. I never knew about it.
Almost every website does delete comments that it considers vulgar, libelous, or otherwise so incoherent or destructive that it disrupts reasonable public discourse. Every public meeting usually operates this way, too, this policy is especially justified for sites like this because -- as I did say above -- most commenters do not stand up and make their identities open, as most people have to do at public meetings and as does the speaker who is being addressed (in this case, me.
I don't see why those who post comments on these threads shouldn't reflect a minute about this asymmetry. Those of us who contribute posts to TPMCafe are not paid for it -- I sometimes joke that I make minus-one-dollar per word during the time it takes me to compose a post and respond to comments. If people are truly conversing, debating, or otherwise engaging with any integrity, let alone democratic equality, shouldn't all parties e known to one another? Shouldn't the accused have the right to know the identity of the accuser? Instead, many websites are afflicted with trolls (I am not saying that this category includes Quinn) who hurl all sorts of accusations with impunity and spoil the substance and tone of the discussions that others are trying to carry on toward a more productive end.
It seems reasonable to me -- indeed, it's only fair, and in the long run advantageous to those posting the comments as well as to readers of the website -- that if someone wants to "stand up," as it were, and make an argument in public with expectation of a response, he or she shouldn't do it anonymously. Some people's monikers do link to their own blogsites, at which they identify themselves.
Think about it.
February 20, 2010 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
My apologies for the many typos in the above comment. I'm rushing and have to sign off for the rest of the weekend.
February 20, 2010 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jim, I'm not big on accusations, so let's leave it in the "accident or unknown other event" category for the time-being.
That said, surely you understand why people use other identities online? You DO get that we're not all in positions where stating our political opinions is cost-free? I have to say, this is either an shockingly disingenuous line you've trotted out here, or you are staggeringly.... ignorant, is the most apt word, I have to say... of who is on the Internet and how they have to operate.
I advise governments, for instance. On climate change, energy and a few other issues. I earn my bread and butter that way. In addition - but definitely separately - I have politically helped advise many of the major social-democratic governments and campaigns in the English-speaking world (usually at completely low and unimportant levels, but sometimes not.) When I write here, beyond my goofing around, I bring what I have learned to bear. If you wanted to learn about the Livingstone Government in London, or smart grids and plug-in hybrids, or the intellectual origins of the Clinton regime, I'm entirely confident that I could contribute a significant amount, perhaps more than anyone here.
That said, for me to attach my name to these comments would see immediately lower the usual advisor/civil servant HOOD OF SILENCE upon me, and that would be that.
That you don't understand that, but actually come down into the comments section to complain that you're somehow being treated unfairly by the anonymous mob, ignoring the fact that you're privileged in being given the original blog Platform, strikes me as... surprising. You sounded - in these instances - like a man used to privilege, not quite sure what happens when he gets a verbal turd flung at him from the masses.
My advice? Stop whining. Figure out this internet/blogging thing. Go find out who deleted the comment. Report back.
Meanwhile, have a great weekend.
February 20, 2010 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quinn, you're not living in Stalinist Russia, and you're not writing the Federalist Papers, so stand up or shut up.
February 20, 2010 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jimmy Jimmy. Tantrum much? Let's review the facts -
1. The comment on your blog could not have been erased at my end. Only at yours - by TPM, or you. Like I said, it's not a big deal to me, but to be clear, you're responsible, not your readers. So ummm... "stand up, or shut up," as a blowhard I once knew liked to put it.
2. Almost no one here on your post is using their full, public name. But you only whine about the posters that disagree with you. So this makes you... more petty than ignorant? Or more ignorant than petty? I donno. Can't decide.
3. What I do know is that references to Stalin's Russia make you sound like a moron. And then when you complain about how you don't get paid for this, and start in babbling about "your accusers?" Ok. That's deep in the heart of moron. Lighten up Jimmy. Go snowmobiling. Take some time off.
4. Oh yeah. "Stand up??" As we used to say on the playground, I'll stand up as soon as you get off your belly.
February 20, 2010 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow Jim, you're an ass. Its pretty easy to tell trolls around here from the regular community (like Quinn). Most of the regulars post blogs of their own and have followers. They are followed because they know what they are talking about (or they are funny). We aren't idiots around here- we are pretty good at spotting a fake and most of the locals cite sources regularly (Quinn does this regularly).
I appreciate that you post here for free because your writings are often very thought provoking (it would be nice if you would chill with the Brooks lovefest though). But I am shocked that you don't understand why anonymity might matter to some here. Furthermore i am surprised that you don't see how sometimes that it can even add value to the conversation. We all make stereotypical judgments of people once we know what they do and where we think they are coming from.
I am happy you have your tenure at Yale. Socrates was a poor nobody. He still had something to say though.
February 20, 2010 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jim (echoing Amitai Etzioni before him) has a good point that people who post under their real names are maybe more civil than those who post anonymously. But there are two sides to this story. Folks like Jim make their living in the world of ideas . . . they've made a career choice to publish (as academics or journalists or both) and therefore to be "public" persons. Many of us haven't made that choice and maybe prefer to protect our privacy for various reasons, but probably mostly because some of the things we say in these open forums might cause us problems in our careers or with people whose friendships we value. In my case, I work as a business consultant and were my identity known, I would have to be far more circumspect in what I say to avoid jeopardizing my relationships with certain clients. Since I make my living serving those clients, I'd have to make a choice were I to reveal my identity between speaking freely or preserving my income. I'd probably speak less freely because, unlike Jim, I haven't made a choice to make my living publishing and am not willing to sacrifice the career I did choose just to write on blogs.
Furthermore, if I did reveal my real name, I'm not sure it would be of much value to Jim because, as someone who doesn't publish (except as Purple State), there's really nothing more to learn about my ideas (or at least my political ideas) than what Jim can read here. And, as Destor says above, most of us who post on this site do take pride in what we say and are concerned about the reputations of our pseudonyms and therefore do exercise some care about what we say and do try to be civil mostly (though sometimes being uncivil can be fun--especially with Jim, I admit, because he takes it so personally . . . and isn't shy about being a bit snarky himself as the dialogue above so aptly demonstrates).
So yes, there are problems and asymmetries with anonymity. But I think the ability to write anonymously also means there is more diversity and freedom of expression, with people writing publicly who might, were they forced to reveal their identities, remain silent. And while there's something useful I guess about knowing who Jim Sleeper is, I still read Destor (and many others) with just as much interest and respect though I have no idea what their real names are. And if anonymity allows Destor (and Quinn and so many others) to publish rather than remain quiet, I'm glad for that.
(I wrote that post while drinking a Rochefort 10 . . . anonymous or not, I don't recommend attempting to write anything at all while drinking one of those . . . wow, I didn't know beer could pack such a punch!)
February 20, 2010 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe there should be a website especially and exclusively for people like Purple State and Destor23, who want to be civil and secret and while they drink and write at the same time. Why do they need anyone who risks anything more? I can't think of any good reason why they do, but that, too, may be something worth thinking about.
February 21, 2010 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
And what exactly are you risking, Jim? Given your career choice it seems you have a lot more to gain than to lose by publishing under your real name. And I suspect there's maybe a little bit of ego-gratification at work here too, isn't there? You want the credit for what you write, don't you? There's nothing wrong with that, but please spare us the self-romanticization.
And sincerely, Jim, even if I sometimes am a bit snarky when I reply to one of your posts, I think you are a very good, very interesting, and very intelligent writer. And I do appreciate the fact that you continue to write here and respond even to us anonymous commentators. So a sincere thank you for that. Peace.
February 21, 2010 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jim. MAHHVELOUS of you to babble on for us about the "power elite," and show your SO deep understanding of power... and then toss garbage on people because you don't get that many people cannot speak forthrightly without risk to their job.
"Why IMAGINE! What could possibly be more RISKY and require more personal COURAGE, than to be a lecturer at Yale!"
Probably spent your weekend with Avishai, discussing whether you could use that top-notch BMW repairman he found.
By the way, Mr Big Risktaker, how's that lavishly funded nunnery of yours?
February 21, 2010 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure you have the power. Steve Clemmons and MJ Rosenburg have been known to delete comments, but I will say this for them: when confronted, thy readily admitted to it, and had the grace to give their reasons for doing so.
As for the term, 'Anonymous Avatar,' I would think that is self explanatory, and it is highly disingenuous for you to claim otherwise.
February 20, 2010 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
When confronted about it, I didn't readily admit to it, for the reason that I didn't do it.
There are some societies and groups where people do have to "admit" to things even though they actually didn't do them or even know they were happening. (See Koestler, Darkness at Noon.) I'll assume that Bwakfat wants no part of such a perverse political culture, where accusations are presumed true even before they're answered and also if they're not answered at all.
February 20, 2010 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
You seemed to doubt you had the ability to delete comments. That is demonstrably untrue.
I just pointed it out.
I also gave kudos to the people that had done so for owning up to it. It seems to me far more likely that the problem is on your end. It is certainly the first thing that would occur to Bwakfat, whatever country she happened to live in at the time.
February 20, 2010 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you saying that it is "demonstrably untrue” that Sleeper doubted he had the ability to delete things? That would take some sleuthing on your part to substantiate, I would say.
February 21, 2010 5:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yawn
February 21, 2010 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
To my knowledge only Clemons has ever done that, never Rosenberg. I suspect Rosenberg can only delete complete posts with all the comments, like everyone else can. The power might even have been mistakenly given to Clemons, in any case I haven't seen him do it since the one time.
I have however seen insulting comments removed from more than a few contributors' threads. It's usually happened when the thread was pretty old, which suggests to me it is TPM management doing it after getting several "report abuse" flags. Most people don't notice it because they don't go back and look at threads once they have finished discussing on one. I happen to like returning to threads to see how they developed and sometimes also surf the site once in a while by looking at what threads another user has commented on; that's why I have ended up noticing some deletions of comments that even the user whose comment was deleted might not have noticed.
I really don't think Rosenberg can do it, there are times I imagine he would have liked to, and sometimes he instead has taken the whole thread off.
February 20, 2010 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
p.s. All the deletions I've seen had nasty ad hominens, never anything involving criticism of content, even if the latter includes all kinds of "bad" words or juvenile arguments. (I.E., "what a fucking stupid argument this is" is fine with them, "you are a stupid fuckhead, Jim Sleeper" is not.) They seem to care about this happening to contributors much more than with interactions between users, though I've seen a few examples of that, too. For sure they don't care about ad hominens towards non-contributors and non-members, otherwise they wouldn't allow some of Rosenberg's posts. :-)
February 20, 2010 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I happen to like both of you so I'd like this one cleared up.
Professor Sleeper, he was just referring to the online handles we use. Mama didn't name me Destor, as you know. I know you posted in the last discussion that you're concerned that these identities undermine civility. That's one way of looking at it. Another way is that some of us value our online identities too. I try not to post anything that will hurt Destor's credibility because hey, I want people like you to take an interest in what I have to say no matter what name I post under.
February 20, 2010 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
See my comment above. Sorry for all the typos in it, by the way. I am rushed at the moment.
February 20, 2010 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
No reason to apologize, I appreciate that you engage us here.
February 21, 2010 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was during the days of "WASPy/clubby" that the U.S. became an industrial giant and surged as the world's dominant economic power, capping it all by putting men on the moon and getting them back alive. Now, we produce nothing, as Bill Maher puts it, but "Sham-Wows and dick pills". Our financial chicanery doesn't underwrite energetic production of freshly engineered, miracle-working tools and appliances people really WANT, the stuff that makes their lives easier and richer. Today, our financial industry dreams up new tricks, new scams to game money away. I think Brooks is 180-degree wrong. The WASP clubhouse wasn't replaced by a "meritocracy" of hard-workers. It was junked in favor of a new nepotism based on articially applied standards and insider favoritism. Today's top-dollar drones are products of an education system genteely in thrall of the demented idea "capitalism is theft". So they steal.
Meritocracy! Bwahahahhahahahahhahhha!
February 19, 2010 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have a way of getting to the heart of the matter succinctly with as little BS as possible. Bravo!
February 19, 2010 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's the simple story of another social/economic ruling class quickly corrupting itself and destroying the very fiber of the nation that provided them their opportunity for plunder and greed.
February 20, 2010 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Jim...I thought Brooks' column was pretty good today, but I did wonder what your take on it would be, as he is to you as Niagara Falls was to the Three Stooges-:)
Anyway, the weakness in his argument--or rather his lack of seriousness--shows through at the end where he offers NO solution to the ills he sees.
Probably because he has no analysis and is just grinding out X number of inches for the week.
February 19, 2010 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
He was basically recycling one of his old columns, so, to tweak him for it, I basically recycled one of mine.
February 19, 2010 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really pay very little attention to Brooks. He is as you say "Ivy League Envy". Just another elite wanna-bee.
The problem with Washington and Wall Street is that both are far to out of touch with Main Street. These alumni of the upper crust of higher education are nearly completely bereft of life experience outside of their Alma Mater. The cannot actually DO anything except in their own narrow area of legalese or business administration. And they are not very good at either.
Unfortunately the Ivys are not alone in this. Far too many state and smaller private institutions are graduating what I would call Over Educated Idiots. People with paper in their hands and very little in their heads. All convinced that they "Have the solution" because that is what they were told...and it was covered on their exams.
So the rejection of Washington and Wall Street by those on the right and left (though for vastly different reasons)...is actually a rejection of these intellectual, elitist numb-sculls.
C
February 19, 2010 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that this is right; the Ivy League obsession is Brooks', but the problem is broader -- as even he admits in his column.
For one thing, the powerful market constraints to which the Ivies have capitulated are squeezing other institutions even more. And some of those institutions think they can escape by emulating the Ivies' coping strategies. But before the marketing-driven constraints swooped in at the end of 2008, marketing-driven seductions were just as strong and just as damaging, as I try to indicate toward the end of my post.
The point is that whenever the guardians of liberal education devote themselves to following the money as assiduously as most colleges have, they cheapen not only humanist truth-seeking but civic-republican leadership training. I have made this argument before in TPM and once in the Chronicle of Higher Education.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/21/what_liberal_academy/
February 21, 2010 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
But before the marketing-driven constraints swooped in at the end of 2008, marketing-driven seductions were just as strong and just as damaging,
I was at the University of Chicago (undergraduate and some graduate work) back in the late 70s and early 80s and witnessed the market's seduction of Hanna Gray . . . which led to the transformation of a great liberal arts university into a business school. But that's where the money was, and Gray believed her mission was first and foremost to raise money.
Back in the 1840s, Dickens observed that Americans admired anyone who had made a buck, no matter how great a scoundrel. Before the election of Reagan, however, I think Americans still recognized scoundrels as scoundrels, even if they admired their financial success. With Reagan, though, the capitalist ethic--or maybe more accurately, the capitalist morality--which acknowledges financial success as the only reliable and objective standard for distinguishing good from evil--seems to have seduced our whole society. Scoundrels were no longer scoundrels--by virtue of their financial success they were demonstrably and irrefutably good, because the capitalist ethic told us that financial success was the only objective way to make moral judgments. If you made money doing something, what you were doing must be good. Suddenly, we had a culture that worshiped people like Michael Milken and a succession of axe-wielding, merger-manic CEOs, who made millions breaking up and reassembling corporations while laying off workers and exporting their jobs to places where the labor and environmental laws forced no corporate responsibility. But it was all unquestionably good because it paid so well . . .
The universities, of course, have not escaped the general trend. Before the 80s, students went to college as idealists--looking to save the world or do something great for humanity. In the 80s, students went to college to get jobs on Wall Street. Meanwhile the cost and complexity of everything skyrocketed, and whether the goal was to build a new science center or a new athletic facility, huge amounts of money were required. So people like Hannah Gray concluded that the way to academic greatness was through rich alumni. Business schools produced rich alumni in droves. Better yet, they produced vain alumni, who wanted to "be connected" and be recognized--because that was all part of making even more money. So the University of Chicago became the GSB (an acronym, of course, since business people speak in acronyms), and the school churns out whole armies of capitalist functionaries with fat wallets. ROI is fabulous.
Can any of this be changed? Looking at the cost of running a university, I guess I don't see how. It seems like we've headed too far down this capitalist path already and we'll just need to follow it to its logical conclusion, at least in the big research universities. But maybe there's a new opportunity for small liberal arts colleges that emphasize teaching? That indeed would be a refreshing change. Maybe that's our hope. But are even those institutions financially sustainable? It's hard in America to do anything if it doesn't prove its financial and moral worth by generating ROI.
February 22, 2010 7:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I remember those shift as well, Purple.
Fein's book, Invisible Hands, is worth reading on the multi-decade ascent of "conservative"--or maybe, "movement conservative" values.
February 22, 2010 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, this is how I recall things, and how I assess them now. I don't have solutions, except that I do think that even the big colleges that are housed in big research universities can still create and sustain enclaves whose curricula are not driven by -- indeed, inhabited by -- market priorities over everything else. Columbia's "Core Curriculum" is one example.
At Yale there is a "Directed Studies" program along the same lines, although it is an honors program to which only about one-fifth of the college is admitted, while Columbia's core curriculum is mandatory for everyone, which I happen to think is a good thing. Call me a core-curriculum fascist, but I think that the classics are potentially quite subversive of the worst of corporate and finance capital, because the questions and challenges that these ancient epics and disputations pose to students really can't be answered by the "Greed is Good" mindset you rightly describe as having become elevated to a kind of social doctrine in the Reagan years.
We will be a long time coming down from that nonsense, but the curricula I've just mentioned are not very expensive to sustain (no labs, high-tech, etc.), and they really do revive something that I think does slumber in every human heart, even acknowledging (as the classics also do) that the human heart is divided all the way down. Even the fact that it is divided makes it too refractory for constant corporate management, just as it has been too refractory for other totalizing systems.
February 22, 2010 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Call me a core-curriculum fascist . . .
If I called you that Jim, it would be a compliment of the highest order. One of the reasons I chose Chicago over some of the other schools that accepted me was its focus on a common core and the great books. After leaving college, my only regret about the core was that it was too short . . . one or two years wasn't really enough time to cover even at a relatively superficial level the whole expanse of human knowledge. If I were start my own college, I think I'd create a five-year program, with the first three or maybe even four years devoted to a wide-ranging core, and a year or at most two devoted to more specialized study. (Everyone would graduate with a master's degree.) For most people, specialization just isn't that necessary, except maybe to give them a taste of what focused study is like. Much more useful, I think, is a good solid grounding in all the major humanistic and scientific disciplines.
February 22, 2010 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brooks is one of America's better jokes and as I see it from here in the Sonoran Desert.
Brooks and et. al, turned America into a Society for the Criminally Stupid due to their enduring support for War.
So when it comes to Peace or our Domestic Tranquility, there can be no Trust invested in Brooks, et. al. None. None Whatsoever!
Of course, Brooks should be incarcerated for a minimum two-year period for having helped unleash this Criminal Thinking. In fact, I am so generous, I would permit him to select his choice of a federal facility for his period of incarceration.
BYW, I am a military vet, so, what the hell do I know, other than being this rookie's cannon fodder?
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February 19, 2010 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
...David Brooks' love-hate fixation on Washington's Ivy Leaguers.
What is sadder? A love-hate fixation with Ivy Leaguers or a read-rant fixation with David Brooks? Why do you spend so much time reading David Brooks's columns, Jim, given that you hate them so much?
February 19, 2010 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lighten up, Dan. We all understand (and forgive) your own obsession! As I've said in one of my responses to the comments above, yesterday Brooks was basically recycling one of his old columns, so I tweaked him for it by updating one of mine that had drawn together these threads in ways more people should have seen the first time.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/21/in_obamas_washington_ivy_leagu/index.php
I read Brooks' column over breakfast yesterday and had mine post up soon after, but with a new twist: the last part of it notes that new configurations of finance capital and consumer marketing are insinuating themselves into civic-republican leadership training. It's an important concern, transcending Brooks, as reflected in the title and introductory section of the post.
February 20, 2010 5:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know, Jim. It looks like an acute case of New York Times envy to me!
February 20, 2010 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
You would see it that way, Dan. More than a few of your posts about the prestige media and about people on leafy campuses make me wonder if Envy is your middle name.
February 20, 2010 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you going through a divorce or something? Wtf?
Chill.
February 20, 2010 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
"elite" is one of the most overused, and in reality, meaningless words in the language.
Who the hell are the elite and what have they done to deserve the title?
February 20, 2010 8:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
They got into the right schools and kissed the right asses to earn their credentials. The problem with our "elites" is that they're elitist but not actually elite. The difference between them and the rest of the educated masses is privelege, not merit. The elitist schools decided to grants the privelege reserved in the past for white boys only to those who are not. Now the club looks a little different but it's still filled with elitists who aren't really elite like Obama who feel an allegiance to their chums from school and the "right" circles. It's all a fraud and a con game. And the worry about civic republican values amongst elitists is absurd. Elitists are never in favor of the sort of values Sleeper espouses. Those values are antithetical to everything that makes the elitists what they are: luck and a false sense of superiority.
February 20, 2010 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
why the hell is anyone still reading the NYT in this day and age????
February 20, 2010 8:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brooks is an example of the damage propaganda does to the propagandist as the toxins of power seep deeper and deeper.
February 20, 2010 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a matter of curiosity, how many of the official editorialists at TPM are Ivy leaguers or their close competitors?
February 21, 2010 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jim, I think the mistake you made here was in not giving it your all and recycling an old post. Lazy.
That left a vacuum into which poured an idiotic "discussion"--talk about childish, self-aggrandizing pique!--about how you supposedly deleted Quinn's deathless prose which reminded ReadyTo that one of his nuggets of eternal truth had suffered the same fate at your hand.
But that wasn't enough to fill the vacuum. You then wondered how you had stumbled into this thicket of idiocy and demanded folks show their faces if they were going to complain.
This was a misstep on your part because, as is well known, everyone except the principal bloggers wears a mask at these proceedings. So it was a little odd of you to dress up for a masked ball and then demand that everyone unmask himself!
But...
I did find it interesting how many double lives are on display here. By day, they chow down on corporate bucks; by night, they stick it to the man. And the fear of being uncovered for their true views is palpable! Where do these people work? AEI? The Pentagon? The NSA? The CIA? Northrup Grumman?
One has to wonder about their TRUE passion for change if they're content to work hard 8 hours a day for the status quo--or possibly worse!--but spend only a few minutes a day sticking it to that toady Sleeper.
One can only assume that these folks have uncommon, easily identified names. Purple State's name must be something like Paolo San Giovanni he's so certain that using it would identify him. No Paul Smiths, or Peter Joneses for him or Quinn or ReadyToBlow.
Interestingly enough, we have a test case here. Danny The K and His Swinging Soiree Kervick has made this same argument for anonymity, even though he uses his real name. I wonder if he's suffered any consequences for his many eloquent posts? Has he been fired? Harassed? Suffered a cut in pay? Had his hours reduced? All for speaking his mind? Did he lose his window office?
We also have Bruce S. Levine. Bruce even uses his middle initial! So even though there ARE a lot of Bruce Levines out there, there are many fewer Bruce S. Levines who also happen to be labor lawyers. And, in fact, it's easy to look Bruce up. You can get his number and email and everything on his employer's site. I did that because I thought it would be nice to get to know him some day, person to person.
My name is Peter Schwartz. I'm a famous futurist. But long before I became famous, I was a young, idealistic kid. I grew up in a small New England town where the absence of any other Schwartzes led me to conclude that "Schwartz" was an uncommon name. You can imagine my surprise when, one day, I looked up my last name in the New York City phone book. My father and mother, who grew up in Brooklyn, had a good laugh over that one.
Now, you might have guessed--now that you know my last name and all--that I'm Jewish. This would be a hasty conclusion. I once dated a Schwartz who was, in fact, a Lutheran. She was very pretty. But I have to admit that all the other Schwartzes whom I've known have been Jewish. And really, I'm not all that Jewish after all. But just so Bruce isn't hanging out there all alone, I'll add that my middle name is Michael. I turned 58 two days ago.
February 22, 2010 8:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Futurist? AHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one. Thanks for that.
"Double lives? Chow down on corporate bucks? Uncommon names?" Wow. You must really have thought deeply about this issue, eh? As deep as Sleeper.
Try this, dull boy. 1) I work in very large places and very small ones. So identifying me is easy in some places, not in others - whether the name is uncommon or not. 2) Employers that can take punitive action are often governments, not corporations. 3) It's not usually abstract ideological statements that cause problems, it's statements they feel reflect upon them, or reveal something about their workings they're not happy having revealed.
But apparently for you and Dim Jim, blog discussions are nothing but abstract debate, where competing teams of poseurs set out ideological positions which in little/no way connect to the reality of their lives. Not surprising really, it's what has made your contributions to date worth ignoring entirely. See, some of us actually know something about something, and from time to time even talk about it here.
You and Sleeper should probably go back to your masked ball now. The too too perfect image of you two.
Tra la, tra la, oh Jim, you really are a FINE dancer. And you! You're no slouch, my sweet no-need-to-be-anonymous-anymore Tintin.
And they blogged allllll night.
February 22, 2010 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, we certainly seem to have struck a chord. I'm sorry your day job is so out of alignment with your values.
February 22, 2010 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Purple State's name must be something like Paolo San Giovanni . . .
Well that's remarkably close to my grandfather's name, but alas that was on my mother's side. My father is a WASP and so I ended up with a pretty ordinary English name.
I'm going to come at this argument for anonymity--or at least for treating the choice of anonymity with respect--from another direction. I don't know what your mother taught you, but mine always said it was generally rude to talk about politics or religion, at least with people you didn't know well. Well, of course, conversation might be pretty dull and stilted if we all followed that rule consistently. But there's a reason the rule exists and--at times at least--is worth following. People get passionate about politics and religion. People get offended. People get angry. Heck, a lot of people get so worked up about politics and religion that they go to war over them. A lot of dead bodies lie beneath talk of politics and religion.
So talk about politics and religion is something one approaches with care--at least if one is concerned about maintaining good relationships with the people one is talking with. I talk about politics and religion a lot with people I know--but only in appropriate situations and only when I am sure that the person I'm speaking with will not be offended by what I say. To do otherwise is just rude.
Now the internet is a strange medium. I'm fine talking politics and religion with you and Jim--and would gladly share my real name with both of you. Shit, I'd get together and talk in person over a cup of tea or a glass of beer if you wanted. I think you're both interesting and intelligent men who aren't easily offended by ideas that might be different your own. But I don't know who else reads this website and where the content published on this website might eventually end up. And I have no way of ensuring that what I say here won't end up being read by someone I know and with whom I have a valued relationship that might be strained if I were to share with them my political opinions. In other words, since I don't know whose reading what I'm writing, I have no way of knowing when the polite courtesy of not sharing one's political ideas is called for. And that means I need to be cautious in what I write and err on the side of politeness. Being anonymous gives me a certain freedom from these social constraints. That freedom is easy to abuse of course (as we see when the dialogue on these blogs veers toward incivility) but it also can be a valuable option that allows people to speak just a little more openly and honestly than they sometimes can without jeopardizing important relationships.
February 22, 2010 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, Purple, let me say in all honesty and sincerity, "I love you man." I mean that. I enjoy reading you; you're a great writer. And you're extremely thoughtful and creative. You must be great at whatever you do. And I thank you for this post.
I agree entirely. And despite what I wrote about anonymity above, I really have no problem with it. I think Jim (and Amitai before him) were/are a bit nutty on this topic.
I mostly wrote the post because the whole thread seemed a little weird, and I'm starting to feel that the whole world--or at least this country--is effin' out of its mind. Maybe I grew up naive or just didn't notice stuff or had my head in the sand. I dunno.
So, here we have Jim recycling a post about his bete noire...
Why is Jim so obsessed with Brooks? I have no idea, but okay...
Then some commenters get their noses out of joint because they THINK--and some of them KNOW--or strongly SUSPECT--he deleted their posts on another thread. Good grief! Who cares? And if he said he didn't, he didn't.
Then Jim demands that these pesky critters reveal their real identities--like a man shadow boxing with taunting ghosts--as if he, or anyone else, could tell if the revealed personalities were real. Again, who cares? Okay, it's kinda nice to know the person behind the avatar after you've gotten to know the avatar, but still...
But then it occurred to me...
Are all these people REALLY afraid for their jobs and livelihoods? Do they really think that their comments here are so outside the realm of acceptability that they could get fired or harassed or lose clients over them? Is Quinn, for example, really going to reveal something about the "workings" of his clients that they wouldn't want to have known? Even with an alias? Maybe so.
(I'll have to start reading Quinn. I guess he knows a lot about somethings.)
Anyway, I take your point about political conversations--very, very true. And I appreciate your taking the time to respond. You always give me something to think about. I agree--the Internet is a strange medium. Sort of wonderous in its ability to expose you to so much in the world, so effortlessly.
February 23, 2010 12:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Tintin, I enjoy reading you too. Most especially, I appreciate the great questions you ask, which challenge people to think harder about what they're saying and question their assumptions. You're great at this, and I imagine that's why you're so good at what you do. I suspect asking good--and unexpected--questions must be 80% of what it takes to be a good futurist.
A few quick comments. I think Jim's thread veered off into weirdness in part because not much else was happening at TPMCafe over the weekend. People who are addicted to commenting on this site probably were just looking for an outlet for their obsession. So, with not much else being offered up on the Cafe, they were stretching to find something to talk about in Jim's post.
On the livelihood issue: I've thought about this some more, and I suspect people aren't so much concerned about losing jobs as being placed in awkward situations at work. Now, in some cases, losing a job (or not getting a job) is a real concern. I know many employers now look at the internet when they do background checks on new hires. And in some situations, what you've posted (particularly if its controversial) may scare a potential employer away. Also, in some situations, saying something that might reflect badly on your company or on a client or that might contradict positions your company has taken publicly can be problematic. I do sometimes share stories about situations from my work (all under the protection of anonymity for myself and the others involved and often with slight modifications to the facts to help ensure that the story isn't easy to associate with any particular person or entity). If I were posting under my real name, it would be highly inappropriate for me to reveal those stories, since the "guilty parties" might be easy to trace and much of what I learned from them I learned in situations where they have every right to assume their confidentiality would be respected. My company also testifies before Congress and is quoted frequently in major newspapers on things like health care and retirement policy (we do a lot of employee benefit consulting). These are issues I like to talk about very freely--and my positions sometimes deviate from those of my firm and certainly from those of many of my clients. I have a fairly prominent role in my firm and I spend a lot of time in front of clients, and so having known contrary opinions can create a rather awkward situation in some cases. If I were using my real name I'd have to make a lot of choices between speaking freely and avoiding awkward situations at work, and in some cases, avoiding awkwardness would win out. Anonymity makes it much easier not to worry about the potential awkwardness and therefore makes it just a bit easier for me to speak as freely as I like. Is that cowardly? Maybe. But a lot of relationships are truly important to me--and jeopardizing those important relationships is just not something I want to do.
As I write this, I keep thinking about the young husband whose new wife asks him: "Honey, do you think these pants make my butt look big?" Men who hope to remain married for any length of time must learn quickly what women seem to know instinctively: that sometimes protecting people's feelings is far more important than saying what you really think.
February 23, 2010 7:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well said and understood. Thanks. And thanks for your kind words. I will listen to you even more closely than before on health care...which LOOKS like it might be getting a second wind.
February 23, 2010 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll share one of those work stories with you that I might not share if I weren't anonymous. Right after Scott Brown was elected I was in a meeting with the EVP of HR of a very large company and a health care consultant. The EVP asked the consultant if health care reform was still happening. I thought the consultant's answer was very interesting. He said something like: "With the current cost trends, health care reform is definitely happening; the only question is whether the government initiates reform or employers do."
I think he's right. If the government doesn't step up to the plate and do something, the employers who pay for most of our coverage will have to step up instead. So the question for the American people is who do you trust more to mess with your health coverage: your government or your employer?
At least your government is still ostensibly a democratic organization . . .
February 23, 2010 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, maybe that's why reform hasn't gotten the push back from the usual suspects this time--or as much. They knew reform was coming in some form, and they wanted a seat at the table.
The focus has been on how Obama bought them off with deals, and I guess that's true, but perhaps they're trying to stay on the right side of history.
Sometime late last year, Ira Glass (This American Life) had a show on health care with various consultants. One of them said that everyone in the system knew health care reform--with regard to costs mostly--had to occur, because the status quo is untenable for everyone: employers, policyholders, etc.
February 23, 2010 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
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