Imagine a state in Palestine to which the Jews of the world are gathered, but in which they have individual rights no greater than its Arab inhabitants. Imagine a country with no privileged religion: everyone goes to his or her house of prayer in freedom and peace. Imagine a state in which individual human rights are paramount; a state that is full of different languages, reflecting the cultural richness of its many immigrants. Imagine that such a state would have no army, but would depend for its peace and order on the Western powers. Imagine that this state called itself merely the "new society." A hydroelectric canal would join the Dead Sea to the Mediterranean.
Imagine that, in such a society, an Arab citizen could say something like this: "Would you call a man or a robber who takes nothing from you but brings you something instead? The Jews have enriched us, why should we be angry with them? They dwell among us like brothers, why should we not love them? Our houses of worship stand side by side...our prayers, when they rise, mingle somewhere up above, and then continue on their way together until they appeared before our Father."
Imagine a Jew adding: "Nothing on earth is perfect, not even our new society. But we are merely a society of citizens seeking to enjoy life through work and culture."
A leftist fantasy? Bound to undermine Israel? Actually, this is more or less exactly the vision of the Jewish state set out in Theodore Herzl's novel Old-New Land. (The dialogue is taken from the book verbatim; Herzl also wanted "athletic and rifle clubs" for once "pale, weak and timid" Jewish children.) Old-New Land's famous epigraph, "Im tirzu, ein zu agaddah," "If you will it, it is no dream," almost immediately entered Zionist lore, though few Zionists at the time were so liberal and cosmopolitan that they were prepared for a vision in which Hebrew had been effaced. Nevertheless, when people invoke the phrase "Im tirzu, etc.," this is the dream Herzl supposed Jewish will would attach to.
I AM THINKING about the origin of that phrase today because of a surreal ad recently taken out in the
Jerusalem Post by an organization called
Im Tirzu, which gives the will's triumph a rather different cast. The ad attacks the New Israel Fund, and its current president, former Member of Knesset (and dear friend) Naomi Chazan, for supporting various human rights organizations whose meticulous data and reporting contributed to the
Goldstone Report.
Now that Alan Dershowitz
has exposed that report as tantamount to reissuing the
Protocols of the Elders of Zion, presumably all contributions to it, like the stringently liberal principles animating them, must be thought "anti-Zionist." (This morning, on Israeli radio, there was another attack on the New Israel Fund for supporting an organization, Breaking The Silence, which documented over 70 anonymous reports by soldiers of harassment of Palestinians at checkpoints.)
Anyone with a sense of history knows where this is going. Israel can't have an increasingly repressive and brazen occupation without eventually getting around to repressing Israeli voices who oppose it. Anyway, if he were alive, and were solicited by the New Israel Fund and Im Tirzu, who would the witness to the Dreyfus case write his check to?
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January 31, 2010 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Before the one state solution - there will be a big war (1948 ??) - and in the End - Palestinians will find themselves in Jordan - their real homeland ...
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Isreal is like an island of civilization surrounded by the desert of backward unproductive Islam.
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The external enemies of Israel have little to do if current trends continue. The government of Israel and the right wing in Israeli politics is slowly undermining the security and eventually the existence of the state of Israel. The more repressive and inflexible the government of Israel becomes, the less likely are the chances of Israel's long term survivial. The only security and the only means of securing Israel's long term future is by establishing and maintaining a stable and lasting peace. There simply is no other way.
January 31, 2010 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I doubt this is true, oleeb. Despite all the routine turmoil and the diplomatic dustups, Israel is methodically winning its long war against the Palestinian Arabs, and makes daily progress in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. And the current US administration has followed the example of previous administrations, and decided that attempts to do something about the grinding colonization and conquest are not worth the effort and domestic political pain. They have decided to let Israel win the war.
Israel's long-term survival is in no serious jeopardy. They will continue to endure some occasional sharp words and ill feeling from abroad. But eventually they will win their war and acquire all the territory they covet. The rest of us will then push all the sordid details of the conquest down the memory hole, and move on.
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Theodor Herzl gave his life in the pursuit of his vision for a Jewish Homeland, where Jews would live in a self-contained state within a predominately Muslim Palestine, and in co-operation with their indigenous neighbors. Like Dr King, Herzl had a dream.
He could never have imagined how that wonderfully altruistic vision for the Jewish people could have been turned into such a nightmare by a succession of right-wing bigots consumed with their own arrogance.
Modern-day, Likud controlled Israel, is as different from Herzl's 'Judenstaat' as is a leg of pork from a salt beef sandwich.
That such a transmogrification has taken place within our lifetimes, is a tragedy beyond words.
A people who formerly eschewed violence, have now embraced it with an enthusiasm that sickens. Where female border guards slap and beat Arab men for their own gratification; where state-sponsored assassinations are carried out with a complete contempt for justice, international law or the sovereignty of other states. Summary justice Israeli style that takes democracy back over half a century.
Theodor Herzl would be bitterly ashamed, as would all those early Zionists whose moral imperative would never entertain the gratuitous killing of unarmed civilians or the wholesale theft of land.
Those early Zionists were committed to Judaism, the religion of their fathers. Israel is committed to no such ideal.
January 31, 2010 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this a case of hating something so much you become that?
Did the Jews, coming from the holocaust become totally obsessed with hate and vengeance that they just can't let go? They're like naughty children, acting out.
What is it that they can't see in their treatment of the Palestinians? Murder, starvation, theft of land, genocide...it's all there.
Why are the Palestinians responsible for Auschwitz?
Israel seriously needs a regime change. The world needs to get involved.
February 3, 2010 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Czechoslovakia comes to mind as a close example. Having no effective army and having no army are not all that different in function.
How about one more "imagine?" Imagine a state that was not the target of organizations sworn to externinate the majority of your population based on religous bigotry.
January 31, 2010 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never let an opportunity to make an idiotic WWII analogy go by...
February 1, 2010 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
January 31, 2010 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Jewish ethnocrazies today would consider Herzl a self-hating Jew. And, by their standards, he was. He was quite comfortable in the world and would never accept the "oy, vey, they are all out to get us" POV of the Bibi's, the AIPACs, the Dershowitzes, etc.
If Herzl was alive, he'd be living in Manhattan or Cambridge or, just possibly, Berlin.
January 31, 2010 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
My favorite Dershy comment: "...almost all of my clients have been guilty."
See http://mondoweiss.net/2010/01/how-excommunication-works.html
And this is the man who thinks we will trust his judgement over Judge Goldstone's?
February 1, 2010 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Jewish ethnocrazies today would consider Herzl a self-hating Jew. And, by their standards, he was. He was quite comfortable in the world and would never accept the "oy, vey, they are all out to get us" POV of the Bibi's, the AIPACs, the Dershowitzes, etc.
If Herzl was alive, he'd be living in Manhattan or Cambridge or, just possibly, Berlin.
January 31, 2010 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
That real leaders of the left very soon realized that but found it useful to keep quiet.
January 31, 2010 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
How many states have you built?
February 1, 2010 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have no integrity whatever, do you? No knowledge of history either. You're just an ordinary idiot who'll say anything to promote his agenda. A lawyer in other words.
February 1, 2010 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't get it ?!
60% of the reports here is about Israel
Since when Israel become the 52/51(who's count) state of America ?
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About Herzl :His book "Altanoyland" (Simply Tel-Aviv in Hebrew) was an utopia book : Something nice but not realistic - "Never-Land".
The neighbors of Israel are not the swedes - they are barbaric death cult - See what they are doing In Europe/Asia/middle-east/Africa
January 31, 2010 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Adolf.
February 1, 2010 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even better, " imagine there's no country...."
January 31, 2010 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even better, " imagine there's no country...."
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How about: " imagine there's no world...."
Israel don't keep 100 - 200 Nuclear bombs in the basement for fun - to destroy all the middle east you need only 4?
Remember always - Samson option and Matzada - 2 Big motives in Israeli mentality !
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January 31, 2010 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting, your last remark. I've been wondering lately as to what the bottom line really is, between the Israeli government and whoever happens to be in charge in Washington.
In the weeks leading up to the launch of Desert Storm in '91, lots of people were thinking that Hussein had some sort of trump card against the USA...
HAS the Israeli government spirited a nuclear device(s) into the USA? Do they hold a trump card against us, either support them and their actions, or else?
January 31, 2010 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
To create another vein:
From today’s Newspeak Times (courtesy of Francis A. Boyle):
January 31, 2010 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe enough with the lies ?!
Bringing Israel to the Serbian/Bosnian conflict ? WTF ?
your posts only show that loony leftists are worse than fascists and neo - nazis!
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January 31, 2010 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a smokescreen. A typical AIPAC maneuver. But then, you can't even spell famous (deceased) people's names right. So, maybe you're just a loudmouthed schmuck cum idiot.
F.A.B. has made an eminent contribution over the years in the international arena, on the order of that of Morris Dees at the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Check out what Boyle has written in regards to the above allegations. Then shut up and go away.
January 31, 2010 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously, the man does not have full command of the English language, which is not his native tongue.
You, on the other hand, are simply scum.
January 31, 2010 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Israel aided and abetted the Serbs when they inflicted ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Bosnians."
This is the first that I've come across Boyle's contention and it surely has been way down below a lot of media radar screens. For those not aware: Boyle is an expert on international law and human rights abuses. Ironic that he once studied at the Friedman School of NeoCon Fanatics of the University of Chicago.
I can't help but remember the widely disseminated photo taken in a Yugoslav train station, of a train being packed to the gills with muslims who'd been rounded up, were being sent off to who knows where. It was immediately thereafter that Clinton led the U.S. into it's involvement against Serbia.
But I can't remember what kind of cars there were on that train, whether they were passenger type or simply freight cars.
January 31, 2010 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are just feeding the troll.
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February 2, 2010 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry for not knowing how to spell a german names ?
Next time I will use GOOGLE/Wikipedia
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I'm not going to read any propagandist BS like you posted - It's not healthy for me - i have a test in Software Quality Engineering course(Boring stuff) on Thursday and i never show my face in any lecture -
Too much BS to read in the coming week.
By the way - I don't support AIPAC - Americas whether Jews or not shouldn't stick their noses
to other countries business
**Sorry for my poor English grammar
January 31, 2010 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
RE: "Triumph Of The Will"
FROM WIKIPEDIA: Triumph of the Will (German: Triumph des Willens) is a propaganda film made by Leni Riefenstahl. It chronicles the 1934 Nazi Party Congress in Nuremberg. The film contains excerpts from speeches given by various Nazi leaders at the Congress, including portions of speeches by Adolf Hitler, interspersed with footage of massed party members. Hitler commissioned the film and served as an unofficial executive producer; his name appears in the opening titles. The overriding theme of the film is the return of Germany as a great power, with Hitler as the True German Leader who will bring glory to the nation...
SOURCE - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will
IMAGE - http://mmimageslarge.moviemail-online.co.uk/Triumph-of-the-will-7356_1.jpg
January 31, 2010 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did John Crandell participate in this speeches?
January 31, 2010 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's with the horn?
January 31, 2010 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boyo, you hit the nail on the head on that one! forth-with, pull our troops out and cut off the financial spigot feeding Tel Aviv.
And as like in that famous scene in The Paper Chase of so long ago: here's two quarters. Take them and go call your mother. Because you simply haven't the maturity or intellectual curiosity to be where you are. How in the hell did you even get admitted?
You're such an innocent shill.
January 31, 2010 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Something common to leftists and liberals in Israel/USA and actually every country in the world -
They always think that they are more smarter,more sophisticated , more intellectual .... than anyone else..
This arrogant attitude of the leftists is one of the reason why the left in Israel is in danger of extinction , the same happening in Europe - where there is a shift to the center/right politics .
Also in Australia and Canada - the conservatives are the majority
And the same thing will happen in America very soon - The false Messiah revealed - we all see the polls !
January 31, 2010 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Something common to leftists and liberals in Israel/USA and actually in every country in the world -
They always think that they are more smarter,more sophisticated , more intellectual .... than anyone else..
This arrogant attitude of the leftists is one of the reason why the left in Israel is in a danger of extinction , the same happening in Europe - where there is a shift to the center/right politics - probably the UK will be the next to fall.
Also in Australia and Canada - the conservatives are the majority
January 31, 2010 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The conservatives in England and Canada support socialized medicine. (You forgot to mention that.)
February 1, 2010 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nor should we be asked to subsidize other countries, or be asked to absorb the refuse of other countries, whether from poor countries or wealthy ones like Ireland, whose greed and corruption require that we be bled dry by continuing to absorb their excess citizenry, or accept the visits of fat toadies like Bernie Ahern, and his crude attempts at humor, illustrating the fact that he views human life as something up for sale. I mean, he's the sort of Irishman who back in the day was cozied up, cheek and jowl with the nazis.
No, it's obvious, according to commenters here that we were wrong to get involved in wars, like WWII, and made the difference that millions more weren't slaughtered, gassed and brutalized. So, if that's the case, we shouldn't help any other. So let's get the deportations going full throttle, and let's not give a penny to Haiti, or any other country for that matter. In fact, Germany should provide us compensation for the Marshall Plan, and Israel should pay us back every penny, and Spain should provide compensation to the descendants of every African slave existing in Latin America, and in fact in North America, as it was Spain that created that foul slave trade to fatten it's crown and aristocracy.
January 31, 2010 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
You simply do not want to know, you cannot handle the truth:
to quote Francis A. Boyle. Check him out.
February 1, 2010 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Bernard, what are you doing over in Israel again. Aren't you supposed to be back here in New Hampshire, saving The Republic from leftists?
February 1, 2010 1:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here I have to save the Hebrew Republic from rightists. Very exhausting.
February 1, 2010 4:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Hebrew Republic was founded by rightists, on rightist fantasies. To be anything else it would have to cease to be a republic for the Hebrews and become a republic for citizens. A true republic's only interest in racial demography is in rendering it irrelevant.
You're the absolute equivalent of European nativist light, concern trolling their fascist kinsmen. Here's to the browning of the US, Y'urp and the rest and an end to all this smarmy racist moralizing.
February 1, 2010 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Racial demography has animated human organization since the beginning of time, no matter the nature of government. Everyone always knew it.
It's only recently that truly demented ignoramuses known as political correctniks have tried to deny it.
February 1, 2010 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Racial demography has animated human organization since the beginning of time, no matter the nature of government. Everyone always knew it."
You're a admitted racist I'm not arguing with you.
My point was directed at "liberals" who would never admit worrying about the browning of America but idolize Golda Meir who lost sleep worrying about the Palestinian birth rate. It's Josh Marshall's cognitive dissonance I'm talking about not your hate.
But the US is a multi-ethnic country so maybe you might want to leave. But Europe is full of darkies now. They've replaced the Jews. Talk about the return of the repressed. It's Angela Merkel's turn to lose sleep. No sympathy for me. Fuck "Christian Europe"
And I saw that as a Jew.
February 3, 2010 12:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a rambling paragraph.
I don't have the patience for this shit anymore
February 3, 2010 1:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
So you don't want to argue with admitted racists, only with those who don't admit it (aka liberals). But after reading what you'd written you were horrified at what you'd admitted.
There's no need to worry yet, little Yid, the ragheads might like you better than white Christians did.
February 3, 2010 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
No putz, I was horrified by my typos and bad grammar.
February 3, 2010 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing like picking a scab . . .
It really got the blood flowing on a Sunday ... Eh?
And it does get all the cockroaches scampering out of the crevices and cracks to bash the "leftists."
I sometimes wonder if these types of articles and information pieces really drive the hit counter for Josh and TPM.
Oops ... I almost overlooked it ... it's nigh on to Happy Hour.
How 'bout a white phosphorus cocktail?
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February 1, 2010 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
If your "dear friend" and "various human rights organizations" had been caught presenting "meticulous data" in support of the actual Protocols of Zion don't you think punishment would be justified? Don't you think the "stringently liberal principles animating them" would likewise rightly be the subject of severe criticism?
Would the "useful idiot" defense they would likely use as a defense suffice? Not in my book.
February 1, 2010 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
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February 2, 2010 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
All honest people who can think for themselves. I don't care about the others.
February 2, 2010 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I don't care about the others."
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February 2, 2010 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right.
The dishonest, the dependent, the foolish, the weak do need representation. But unless they're rich they have to settle for incompetents like you.
Too bad.
February 2, 2010 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are so wise. Please defend this: http://warincontext.org/2010/02/04/israeli-report-claims-2bn-stolen-from-palestinians/
February 4, 2010 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't. And it may be indefensible.
But it has nothing to do with this thread or my comments about it. It might relate to your competence - if you are acting for the plaintiffs? Are you? If not, what is its relevance?
February 4, 2010 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Imagine there's no heaven, It's easy if you try..."
You know who said that? Lennon. And he was leader of the communists. So there.
February 2, 2010 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lennon was pretty careful to collect his royalties. Lots and lots of them.
But perhaps you mean "religion is the opiate of the people" by another of your favorites.
More likely you're referring to "the yellow brick road" which you and your fellow travelers continually and repeatedly confuse with reality.
Or "the meek shall inherit the earth", the whopper of all whoppers.
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