Lift Gaza Blockade Now
For me, it's impossible to look at the horrific footage coming out of Haiti and not think about Gaza. Especially when I see the faces of the children.
Both are scenes of horrific suffering. But there are two significant differences. The first is the scale of the suffering. The second is that the Haitian catastrophe is a natural disaster, which humans could not prevent but are now trying to relieve. The suffering in Gaza is inflicted by people, while other people look away.
The bottom line is that there would be quite enough human suffering even without man-made disasters. Relief agencies would have their hands full even if armies and militias did not kill and maim innocents.
In fact, more innocent people have died at the hands of man in the last hundred years than through "Acts of God." And the 21st century, already only a decade old, seems unlikely to be much different.
Look at the Middle East, again on a violent spiral downward.
In an editorial this week, the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz called on the government to "rethink its Gaza strategy before it's too late."
The editorial was written in response to the resumption of missile fire by Hamas against southern Israel. Though no one has yet been injured in these attacks, that is just a matter of time. So is another retaliatory Israeli bombardment of Gaza unless Hamas ceases and desists.
But Hamas won't. It won't for the same reason Israel insists on hitting back.
A few months ago, I was on a panel at the University of Alaska in Juneau with, among others, the Israeli consul based in the Pacific Northwest. The consul defended the bombardment of Gaza on the grounds that any country has the right, even obligation, to defend its people from bombardment.
A Palestinian answered him. He conceded the diplomat's point but flipped it. He pointed out that Gaza has been under Israeli occupation for 42 years. Yes, Prime Minister Sharon removed the settlers, but Israelis control Gaza's borders, sea lanes and the air above it.
By any definition, Gaza is occupied. After all, if it wasn't, Gaza would be able to import the necessities of life for its people. It can't do that. And the result is the strangulation of Gaza's people. The rockets are Hamas' brutal way hitting back.
Israelis say that last year's war stopped the rocket fire. It did, for a while. But the cease-fire that preceded it was equally effective at stopping the rockets - without killing innocent people in the process.
Of course, Israel's goal goes beyond an end to the rockets. It wants to bring down the Hamas government in Gaza (a fine goal, but best not attempted by Israelis).
Nonetheless, the Israeli media reports that there are plans on the table for another Gaza invasion soon with the purpose of achieving "regime change." Israel has been intent upon that ever since Hamas won a Palestinian election deemed "free and fair" by international observers.
That election, of course, was the brainchild of the neocons in the Bush administration who thought that an election, if not democracy, was the cure for everything.
So the United States pushed the election on the Palestinians, Hamas won, and both the United States and Israel immediately set out to subvert the results.
The blockade is part of that strategy and few in the United States (and far fewer in Israel) much care that this immoral policy is punishing children.
For instance, mothers can't heat their infants' formulas because of gas shortages; not to mention the lack of hot water in general. Schools are unable to replace the windows blown out by the Israelis during the war because they cannot import the glass or plastic. 10% of children under 5 are suffering from malnutrition. Locked in on all sides, Gaza is a ghetto of misery, pain and hunger.
Ha'aretz again: "The time has come to rethink Israeli strategy in Gaza. The economic embargo, which has brought severe distress to the inhabitants of Gaza, has not brought down Hamas, not has it freed kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit. The siege has only damaged Israel's image and led to accusations that it has shirked its humanitarian responsibilities in Gaza under international law."
Yes, as hard to believe as it is, Israel - the occupying power - has humanitarian responsibilities in Gaza. Ha'aretz says it has "shirked them." I'd use stronger language - like that of the Goldstone Report, which called Israeli actions in Gaza "war crimes."
So what should Israel do?
It should negotiate a full-cease-fire with Hamas in exchange for lifting the blockade.
In 2008, a cease-fire lasted 26 weeks. It ended because Israel did not live up to its commitment to lift the blockade and continued, despite the cease-fire, to target and kill Hamas militants in Gaza.
Following an Israeli attack that killed six supposed terrorists inside Gaza and the tightening of the siege, Hamas resumed its rocket fire. The cease-fire was abandoned, and Israel launched its long-planned bombardment and invasion.
It is impossible to defend Hamas's attacks on Israeli civilians in Sderot and other towns. Hamas makes no distinction between a military target and a school, or between territory inside Israel and settlements in areas under occupation.
No nation would tolerate such murderous thuggery for long, if at all.
But it is equally impossible to defend Israel's siege of Gaza or the war it launched that took 1400 lives (mostly civilians, including 320 children) while itself losing nine.
I cite the number of casualties to illustrate the disparity in force available to the two sides and also because it suggests that the Gaza operation was less a war than an act of collective punishment against a civilian population.
There must be no second Gaza war.
The United States needs to tell the Netanyahu government, in no uncertain terms, that we will not sit silently by if it launches another war using weapons we supply. Nor will we use our UN vetoes to deter resolutions condemning the use of disproportionate force.
Simultaneously, we must use our influence to help achieve a deal that will end the blockade and the shelling of southern Israel simultaneously.
Those who say Hamas cannot be trusted to honor a cease-fire are wrong. Hamas, like most authoritarian groups, is very good at enforcement through intimidation. In general, that is not to its credit but in the case of enforcing a cease-fire, it is.
As the New York Times reported in December 2008, "It took some days but...Hamas imposed its will and even imprisoned some of those who were firing rockets. Israeli and United Nations figures show that while more than 300 rockets were fired into Israel in May, 10 to 20 were fired in July....In August, 10 to 30 were fired, and in September, 5 to 10."
In other words, it is possible, in Margaret Thatcher's famous words about Mikhail Gorbachev, "to do business" with Hamas. It is also possible to do business with Binyamin Netanyahu. We just have to be clear that when we do business, we mean business.
And that means Hamas must stop the rockets. And Israel must terminate the blockade. Enough is enough.
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This is crossposted at Media Matters Action Network where I work.

















Brave post. Thanks.
January 15, 2010 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great post MJ, very well written and said.
January 15, 2010 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another self righteous Jewish idiot - We saw many of them through history - Take for example the Kappos who work for the nazis - same same - They like Mr rosenberg fight the "Evil Jews(Today Israelis)"
January 15, 2010 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now where did I leave my 'Troll-b-gone" spray?
January 15, 2010 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
So...how much is AIPAC paying it's shills these days?
January 16, 2010 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's better then the Saudi/Jihadists payroll checks !
January 17, 2010 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent post. And while we're at it, I'd like the Israeli right and the American politicians that support them to lay their cards on the table. Do they want to expel all Arab populations from the occupied territories or not? Because that's the logical outcome of the policies they're pursuing.
January 15, 2010 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
HOUSE OF COMMONS LONDON
EARLY DAY MOTION
EDM 536
GAZA 05.01.2010
'That this House calls for the immediate lifting of the blockade of the Gaza Strip, which 12 months on from Israel's invasion of the territory continues to prevent both the unfettered distribution of humanitarian aid and the reconstruction of Gaza's shattered infrastructure; notes that Operation Cast Lead, launched on 27th December 2008, killed 1,300 Palestinians, including 340 children, damaged or destroyed 50,000 homes, 280 schools and kindergartens, as well as numerous hospitals; further notes that under Israel's blockade essential food items and fuel are routinely prevented from entering the territory, whilst over two-thirds of the population live in poverty and require United Nations aid merely to survive; highlights the fact that many Palestinians, now suffering in the grip of winter, are forced to live in temporary shelters or partially destroyed homes; and calls on the Government to apply meaningful pressure upon Israel to abide by UN Security Council Resolution 1860 and end this flagrant abuse of international law.'
Burden, Richard 77 signatures
Austin, John Battle, John Berry, Roger
Betts, Clive Borrow, David S Bottomley, Peter
Breed, Colin Campbell, Menzies Campbell, Ronnie
Carmichael, Alistair Caton, Martin Challen, Colin
Chaytor, David Clark, Katy Clelland, David
Cohen, Harry Connarty, Michael Cook, Frank
Corbyn, Jeremy Cryer, Ann Cummings, John
Davies, Dai Dean, Janet Dobbin, Jim
Drew, David Durkan, Mark Francis, Hywel
George, Andrew Gerrard, Neil Godsiff, Roger
Hancock, Mike Harvey, Nick Holmes, Paul
Hopkins, Kelvin Hoyle, Lindsay Iddon, Brian
Jenkins, Brian Jones, Lynne Kilfoyle, Peter
Lazarowicz, Mark Leech, John Lepper, David
Levitt, Tom Linton, Martin Mallaber, Judy
Marshall-Andrews, Robert McCafferty, Chris McDonnell, John
Moffatt, Laura Morgan, Julie Mullin, Chris
Oaten, Mark O'Hara, Edward Olner, Bill
Osborne, Sandra Prentice, Gordon Prosser, Gwyn
Reed, Andy Riordan, Linda Rooney, Terry
Roy, Lindsay Russell, Bob Short, Clare
Simpson, Alan Slaughter, Andy Smith, Geraldine
Smith, Robert Starkey, Phyllis Turner, Desmond
Wareing, Robert N Williams, Betty Williams, Hywel
Williams, Mark Williams, Stephen Wood, Mike
Wyatt, Derek
_______________________________________________
The above is the text of the parliamentary Early Day Motion No.536 of 5th January 2010.
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For how much longer will the international community sit on its hands and collude in this atrocious persecution of the indigenous people of Gaza/ Palestine upon the direction of the Israeli government?
The atrocity of Gaza must end. Human life is more important than oil, diamonds, the purchase of cluster bombs, unmanned drones or telephone chips.
The situation in Gaza is the precursor for a global nuclear conflict - yet it is still not recognized as such by most. There is still time, just, to change direction to ensure the future.
If not, all our countries will end like an earthquake epicentre - but by act of man, not God.
January 15, 2010 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Palestinians are the darlings of the whole world not because any one likes them ( Arab gulf states and Iraq have thrown them out as Fifth Columnists and Lebanon keeps them in camps with draconian laws similar to the Numerberg Laws of the Nazis) but becasue the world is anti-Semitic and anyone killling Jews is a friend of the EU and Arabs.
The conflict has nothing to do with a state for palestinians and everything to do with destroying Israel and killling Jews. Jordan is the de facto Palestine with a predominant palestinian pop. If arafat had beaten King Hussein in 1971 ( Black September) when the Hashemites killed over 20,000 palestinians and threw the PLO out, today, Jordan would be Palestine.
January 15, 2010 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alert. Alert. AIPAC Shill alert!
January 16, 2010 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
51% of Israeli want to destroy Gaza
Rattling the Cage: A taboo question for Israelis
January 15, 2010 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
PLUS --
Now you can compute your own HZQ![*]
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[*] "Hyperzionism quotient"
January 15, 2010 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Proving yet again that Israeli state terrorism is popular.
January 15, 2010 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
And palestinians are surprised they get shot after this. They dress up as terrorists, they shout like terrorists, they act as terrorists, and when they get shot like terrorists, they cry like babies to the UN which doesn't give a damn.
They got away easily this time. Obviously, Israeli forces preferred firing non-lethal gas canisters.
Next time, they might not be as lucky...
January 15, 2010 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yet the Viet Minh, the Viet Cong and the N.V.A. persisted. And prevailed.
Despite all of the American aircraft with napalm, gattling guns, 500 pound bombs, cluster bombs, missiles and White Phosphorus tearing the firmament above.
Have you ever experienced an attack aircraft coming right at you, you AIPAC shill? You who rationalizes Isreaeli government sadism and in that, you join with your true moral forebears - those who wore swastikas. Yes, there are Jewish Nazis in this world.
January 16, 2010 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
A blockade is not the same thing as an occupation. Gaza is blockaded by Israel and Egypt, but it is not occupied by either one. An occupation is defined in international law as "effective control" of a territory. If Israel actually had effective control of Gaza, then obviously it would not be allowing Hamas to rule the territory.
The West Bank is an occupied territory because Israel could remove the governing Palestinian Authority at will. Israel does not have the same control over Gaza; removing the Hamas regime would require a full-scale invasion.
Israel does not have any troops whatsoever deployed in Gaza. If you really think Gaza is occupied, then please find me a single historical precedent where a country was "occupied" even though the "occupier" didn't have a single soldier on the ground to enforce its will.
January 15, 2010 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The Israeli Supreme Court (sitting as High Court of Justice in Beit Sourik Village Council v The Government of Israel 2004) has noted: 'The general point of departure of all parties - which is also our point of departure - is that Israel holds the area in belligerent occupation (occupatio bellica).' [ LINK ]"
January 15, 2010 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Israel withdrew from Gaza in August 2005. An Israeli Supreme Court opinion from 2004 obviously won't reflect the post-disengagement reality.
January 15, 2010 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Americans Talking about occupation (What a joke) : fake liberals !!
You invade nations that are not neighbors launching rockets on you and then preach about peace? Israel happens to have more songs about peace than any other nation, a value we teach our kids regularly. But perhaps you think peace means dead Jews, because to survive in this tough neighborhood called middle east, you can't put your guard down and expect love in return. A final showdown, I would love it, so get your American fingers out of our business and our of our way and stop holding us back in our short wars, while you linger in Afghanistan for a decade.
January 15, 2010 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chomsky calls it for what it is: rationalized sadism. Your comment is proof positive.
January 16, 2010 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are chasing your own tail. In the Middle Ages, it would be called a seige. If you want to accept that characterization--that Israel is beseiging 1.5 million civilians--I can live with that word.
Occupation means control. Isarel controls most of the border, the coast, and airspace. The part it does not control directly (Egypt), it controls remotely by coercing Mubarek's regime to close that border too.
There is a first time for everything. Using your reasoning, you could never place any new event into an established catagory becuase a precedent doesn't exist. That's flawed logic.
January 15, 2010 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what? Israel does not have effective control on the ground, and Hamas does. In every other occupation in history, the occupier has had effective control on the ground. That's the defining characteristic of an occupation.
If no precedent for the new event exists in a particular category, then clearly the event belongs to a different category. That doesn't mean "you could never place any new event into an established category." The U.S. occupation of Iraq definitely belongs in the category of occupation, for example. Gaza's situation is completely different.
January 15, 2010 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
sanhedran: "A blockade is not the same thing as an occupation."
A hollow argument, precisely because the disengagment plan itself insisted that Israel
(a) always reserved the right to control what goes in and out of Gaza and
(b) always reserved the right to go back into Gaza as and when (and for whatever reason) it saw fit.
Claiming the right to EXERCISE such authority *does* have a corrollory i.e. Israel was claiming that it still HAD authority over Gaza, and that disengagement itself was simply a decision not to exercise that authority but, rather, to let the place slide into chaos.
Think of it this way:
Consider that you are the warden of a prison.
One day you order the prison guards to stop patrolling the prison grounds, lock the gates, retire to the guard towers, and to shoot at anything that attempts to enter or leave.
Now, sanhedran, a couple of questions:
1) Have you ceased being the warden of a prison?
(answer: no)
2) Have your men ceased being prison guards?
(answer: no)
3) Have the men inside the grounds ceased being your prisoners?
(answer: no)
4) Has this prison suddenly become a hotel?
(answer: no)
5) Has ANYTHING fundamental changed?
(answer: Yes. You are now abusing the authority that you have over these prisoners)
You would only CEASE to be a prison warden if you actually threw open the gates, handed over the keys, and ordered all your guards to go home.
Israel, of course, has done none of those things: it merely deployed the troops to the watchtowers and told them to shoot at anything that approaches the gates.
January 16, 2010 1:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Mr. Rosenberg,
I and most thinking Israelis sleep better knowing that not one decision-maker in either Washington or Jerusalem pays any attention to your views. Regards
bal4
January 15, 2010 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
You posted here.....so you paid attention.
January 15, 2010 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, mythbuster, alas attention must sometimes be paid--but only to point out what, unfortunately, has escaped Mr. Rosenberg's acolytes here.
January 15, 2010 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen to that.
January 15, 2010 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's impossible for any nation to go on, year after year, decade after decade, treating other people like animals unless the citizens of that nation actually consider their beleagured victims ARE animals. And that, I think, is how Israelis see Palestinians - as something less than human. As cattle, but without the commercial value of such livestock. There is a groundswell of support for peaceful international action, like the boycotts that helped end apartheid in South Africa, to stop Israel's coddled brutality, and U.S. assistance for it. The Gaza attack a year ago accelerated these efforts. It's time. Israel won't stop itself. It must be stopped.
January 15, 2010 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh and please don't forget to boycott New York
as Mayor Bloomberg is a strong supporter of Israel. Also, boycott Italy because
Berlusconi approves of Israel. And by the way plase also boycott all Hollywood
movies as they are directed and produced by Jews and often have Jewish actors.
Tell your kids to boycott high school musical because Zac Efron is Jewish.
Finally when you get hurt, boycott Jewish developed x rays and medicines, as
they are very often invented/developed by Israelis. Finally, when you wanna
call, boycott your cell because that was an Israeli development for Motorola.
BRING ON THE BOYCOTT!!!!
January 15, 2010 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is your first post at the cafe.
a poster by the name of Rachel posted the exact same words in talkback post #36 in ynet news.
warning: we specialize in hasbara detection here at the cafe.
January 15, 2010 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
The pathetic thing is that you are so obsess with Israel - that you are wasting your precious time to google my posts !
Hasbara in my ass !
January 16, 2010 3:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
White Phosphorus raining down on school children in Gaza. Are you going to rationalize that, Shillster?
January 16, 2010 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
As it was raining in Falluja- Iraq By the US Army
And in Afghanistan by the NATO FORCES !
January 17, 2010 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Someone claims: "As it was raining in Falluja- Iraq By the US Army And in Afghanistan by the NATO FORCES !"
I was unaware that the US Army fired air-burst White Phosphorus artillery shells over clearly demarked civilian shelters in Fallujah or, indeed, anywhere else, so perhaps you would care to substantiate that accusation.
I can, however, show you a very colourfull photo of IDF white phoshporus artillery shells bursting into full pyrotechnic splendor over (all over, in fact) a school in Gaza that was being used as a civilian shelter.
It's on the front cover of this report:
http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2009/03/25/rain-fire
January 18, 2010 1:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Google it - It's very easy to find !
About the HRW report :
The guy who wrote this paper was caught as a neo-nazi - Mark Gorlesco
From wikepdia:
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"Suspension over Nazi-era memorabilia allegations
On September 14, 2009 Garlasco was suspended with pay after a controversy arose regarding an allegation that he collects Nazi memorabilia.[1][2] Pro-Israeli bloggers had questioned the appropriateness of Garlasco's hobby[24] while Garlasco said allegations of Nazi sympathies were "defamatory nonsense, spread maliciously by people with an interest in trying to undermine Human Rights Watch's reporting".[3] Garlasco has stated his hobby of collecting German and American World War memorabilia from the Second World War is because of his family history and his interest in military history. He also stated "I deeply regret causing pain and offense with a handful handful of juvenile and tasteless postings" on two websites.[3] HRW is investigating the matter and has indicated "this is not a disciplinary measure. Human Rights Watch stands behind Garlasco's research and analysis".[4]"
This come after the manager of the Middle east HRW (Sarah Leah Whitson ) caught doing a Fund raising in Saudi - Arabia
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"In May of 2009, Whitson was mentioned in a Wall Street Journal op-ed when she led a HRW fund-raising trip to Saudi Arabia.[11] Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic Monthly opined on his personal portion of the Atlantic Monthly website that "the director of Human Rights Watch's Middle East division is attempting to raise funds from Saudis, including a member of the Shura Council (which oversees, on behalf of the Saudi monarchy, the imposition in the Kingdom of the strict Wahhabi interpretation of Islamic law) in part by highlighting her organization's investigations of Israel, and its war with Israel's "supporters," who are liars and deceivers"
NEXT TIME TRY TO BRING MORE RELIABLE SOURCES !!!!!
January 18, 2010 5:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Witness this exchange:
John Candell: "White Phosphorus raining down on school children in Gaza."
[Note] That is a specific accusation i.e. the IDF *rained* WP onto buildings that shielded schoolchildren.
c9dw2rm8: "As it was raining in Falluja"
[Note] Taken LITERALLY that would mean that my friend is accusing the US Army of *raining* WP down on the *schoolchildren* *of* *Fallujah*.
Of course, no such thing happened, precisely because the US Marines gave a month's notice to allow women and children to evacuate the city before beginning their assault.
So, when asked for evidence of his accusation how did my new best buddy respond?
c9dw2rm8: "Google it - It's very easy to find !"
[Note] That is a non-answer, indicating that our friend can find NO evidence to back up his accusation.
Of course, I'll now point out that I DID provide a link to a picture showing IDF WP artillery RAINING down on a school.
So how did my argumentative friend respond?
c9dw2rm8: "The guy who wrote this paper was caught as a neo-nazi"
[Note] That response is a classic straw man, because
(a) Mark Gorlesco did *not* take the photo and
(b) Mark Gorlesco is *not* a "neo-nazi".
He certainly IS an acknowleged authority on the badges and insignia of WW2 Werhmacht anti-aircraft gun regiments which is, indeed, an odd hobby but hardly diagnostic of neo-nazism.
Q: Why does he have such an odd interest?
A: Because his grandfather was a..... WW2 Werhmacht anti-aircraft gunner.
January 18, 2010 8:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have been in The army ?
How about you ??,
Probably, I'm more specialist in WP than you ,WP used as Cover - Smoke screen for Infantry -
It's Legal weapon and most of the western countries have WP and use him in the Battle fields.
In Gaza - it's an urban warfare - Next time the Jiahdists should tell their children not to play outside in A war zone!!
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About Garlasco issue - Stop bringing excuses - The guy caught with his pants down - He and his Organization are not reliable anymore - too many scandals , Even the founder of HRW criticize them and call them BLUFF !!
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By the way , Have you ever been in Gaza ??
I spend there almost an Year !
Their life conditions are better than any African nation or any other arab country in the region (Beside the rich golf states /West-Bank / Lebanon)
January 18, 2010 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
c9dw2rm8: "I have been in The army ? How about you ??,"
That being, of course, the talkback equivalent of unzipping your pants and thumping your wang onto the table for all to admire.
c9dw2rm8: "WP used as Cover - Smoke screen for Infantry"
Let me repeat the link so that you can admire (again, of course) the photograph on the front cover:
http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2009/03/25/rain-fire
c9dw2rm8: "About Garlasco issue - Stop bringing excuses - The guy caught with his pants down"
The man is a military analyst.
His INTEREST is therefore in things military.
His grandfather was a WW2 Wehrmacht AA gunner.
His HOBBY is therefore the badges and insignia of WW2 Wehrmacht Flak Units.
He is an acknowledged expert, and has written at least two books on the subject.
That propagandists like c9dw2rm8 actually noticed that Garlasco has published books to his name is regarded by them as a "gotcha" momement.
Why, sunshine?
It's not as if his books were any any way a *secret* being spread hand-to-hand at furtive neo-nazi meetings or KKK cross-burnings.
They are reference works, and can be found in any number of specialist military bookshops.
January 18, 2010 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Has Mr. Rosenberg and his adherents here ever consider what would hapen if in the course of one fine day, Hamas:
1. Brought Gilead Shalit to a UN official and sent him back to Israel on a helicopter;
2. Announced that-- like the PLO-- it would change its policy and recognize the right of Israel to live in peace within the 1967 borders; and
3. Announced that henceforth anyone shooting rockets or mortars into Israel would be apprehended, prosecuted and executed?
How long could even a jerk like Avigdor Lieberman resist lifting the blockade of Gaza? My guess is it would happen within a week because Bibi would know he has no choice.
Why doesn't Mr. Rosenberg suggest these three easy steps, that cost Hamas nothing, to his Palestinian friends?
January 16, 2010 7:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
bal4 - If the Palestinians did as you suggest not one improvement in their political situation would result. I've been going back and forth to Israel since 1956 and lived there in the early 80's. There was no terrorism back then - no Hamas or PLO on site. I witnessed literally hundreds of peaceful protests by the Palestinians asking for either statehood or at least autonomy. Israel gave them a big F/U for their non-violent requests. That's why the first infitada broke out in 1987.
Your comment suggests that Israel would agree to the 67 borders - you must be smoking something good. My entire side of the family, all 35 of them. reside in settlements. I've been at shul listening to Israeli politicians(Likud, IB and Kadima) pandering to the settlers assuring them nothing on the ground is going to change.
Israel is not prepared ever to provide the kind of concessions that will be necessary to solve this conflict. The heart of the matter is Israel considers territory gained in 67 to be theirs and therefore every inch yielded to the Palestinians is a compromise and a loss. Israel seems to be unwilling to stand back and look at the issue objectively and determine what kind of offer yields justice and viability to the Palestinians instead of lets try to give up as little as possible.
January 16, 2010 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
The first cease-fire was ended when Gazans started tunneling under the wall to Israel. Israel stopped them with firepower. Hamas could have simply lodged a protest, but started launching a great number of rockets instead.
Hamas wants to take over all of the Jewish State and kick the Jews out. So the Israelis now want to remove Hamas. This is not likely to end peacefully.
Read the Hamas Covenant and see if you think this is a reasonable bunch of folks.
January 16, 2010 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Espresso says: "The first cease-fire was ended when Gazans started tunneling under the wall to Israel. Israel stopped them with firepower. Hamas could have simply lodged a protest, but started launching a great number of rockets instead."
Two things about that:
1) Israel produced no evidence whatsoever that the tunnel they found was heading "under the wall to Israel".
None. Zip. Ziltch.
2) Israel has never before and never since sent an IDF PATROL into Gaza to destroy a tunnel. They have always sent an aircraft over Gaza to drop a bomb on the tunnel entrance, thereby collapsing it.
Not this time. This one time - and this one time only - it responded to the discovery of a tunnel by sending troops into Gaza to provoke a fire-fight.
How odd; you'd almost think they WANTED to produce a fire-fight.
Perish the thought, heh, espresso.....
January 17, 2010 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree Gaza blockade should be lift. It does happen tough that Gaza IS NOT under occupation.
It is incredible people keep repeating that fantasy.
The author claims:
" Yes, Prime Minister Sharon removed the settlers, but Israelis control Gaza's borders, sea lanes and the air above it.
By any definition, Gaza is occupied".
Israel does control Gaza Borders? Really ?
What about the border between Gaza and Egypt ?
That border is controlled by Egypt , not Israel.
To claim therefore that Gaza is occupied because israel does control borders is ludricous.
One thing is blockade.
Other occupation.
" Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.
The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised".
From wikipedia
The reasoning of those that claim Gaza is occupied is that israel does control borders therefore it does control the territory.
As I wrote Israel does not control all the borders so it does not have control over the territory.
This is atraightforward..,obvious...,but people keep repeating the ludricous fantasy : Gaza is occupied
January 16, 2010 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Peter42y: "That border is controlled by Egypt , not Israel."
No, actually, it isn't.
Egypt RECOGNIZES that Israel is the occupying power and, therefore, it recognizes that Israel has authority to close - or open - any of the borders of Gaza.
So if Israel orders that the Rafah border crossing be closed then Egypt has two choices:
1) Recognize that Israel has the authority to order that closure, and so close it.
2) Refuse to recognize Israel's authority, which has the effect of Egypt contesting with the IDF for the title of "who occupies Gaza".
Egypt Is Simply Not Interested In Going To War Over The Gaza Strip, So If The Occupying Power Orders The Border To Be Closed Then Egypt Closes The Damn Border.
A simple analogy: Bush the Stupid sent just enough troops to invade Iraq, but not enough troops to garrison it.
Result: the Iraq/Syria border is - even to this very day - wide open from the IRAQI side i.e. Assad is the only person who has the men on the ground to seal that border; Syria "controls" that border.
Does that mean that America wasn't the occupying power in Iraq?
That would come as quite a surprise to, well, everyone....
January 17, 2010 7:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your article ( without you being aware of that ) does ilustrate that the ocupation fantasy is just that : A fantasy.
Look at the title : Lift Gaza blockade Now.
Judging by the title one would say Gaza in under blockade but then you claim its occupied.
One thing is being under blockade other occupied.
Israel is both occupied by Israel and under blockade by a second power ? I do not think so.
Gaza is not both under blockade and under occupation.
Being so.., your article is a paradox.
Reading the title one would say Gaza is under blockade.
But next you claim that in turn its occupied.
That does not make sense.
In fact Gaza is under blockade by Egypt and Israel, not occupation.
I completely agree with the lift of the blockade . Enough is enough but dont keep repeating a ludicrous fantasy that Gaza is occupied : It is not.
January 16, 2010 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Peter42y: "Gaza is not both under blockade and under occupation."
Peter42y: "Being so.., your article is a paradox."
No, it is perfectly consistent.
An occupying power has an obligation to care for the well-being of the "protected persons" under its occupation.
That's why those people are called "protected" i.e. int'l law seeks to afford them protection from an occupying power who may wish to abuses its authority over them.
So *is* it possible for Israel to be BOTH the occupying power AND to maintain a blockade of the Gazan Strip?
Off course it is: all it takes is for Israel to be determined to abuse its authority over these people.
The Wehrmacht, after all, was both the occupying power AND the military force that laid siege to the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto, and NODOBY would argue that the latter indicated that the Wehrmacht WASN'T the occupying power.
It bloody well was.
The IDF bloody well is.
January 18, 2010 8:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Peter42,
Perhaps a thorough reading of the Goldstone Report would help enlighten you. There's no doubt that Gaza is still legally occupied, Israel says so, see my answer to sanhedrin proving the point.
Secondly, the Goldstone Report notes that because of Israel's responsibility as the occupying power, this puts it under strict obligations to do the opposite of what it is currently doing.
Instead of treating the Gazans like the Germans treated those in the Warsaw Ghetto, Israel has a responsibility to the civilian population it occupies and by collectively punishing them, Israel is quite likely committing and ongoing crime against humanity.
All the relevant quotes are in there, the Israeli intention for the "belt tightening" of Gaza civilians to elicit a political response from a captive civilian population is also a definition if state terrorism against a hapless people with no means to protect themselves.
This would be why Israel and its "supporters" have gone to such great lengths to discredit the man, Richard Goldstone, and the UN Mission he headed, and the very nature of the investigation (Israel refused to participate while Hamas did), because they cannot answer the charges, to do so would be to admit them.
Although even that has already happened. Israel has agreed to pay the UN $10 million for damages to UN facilities during the War on Gaza.
More reparations are sure to come.
January 16, 2010 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
BBSNEWS,
Goldstone Is an Idiot which was the Prostitute of the Apartheid south Africa and cooperate with them!
His 15 minutes of fame are over - He is seeking attention and money - Who eared about him 6 months ago -
The easy way to get attention is to talk about Israel/USA or other Idiotic fake liberals talks!
Every paper that come Fromm the UN(Corrupt organization control by majority of Islamic dictatorship countries) bodies is worth NOTHING / ZERO / GURNISHT / NADA!
We can take Jew-Boy Goldstone Report and shove it to the .....
January 17, 2010 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
c9dw2rm8,
And yet, Israel is going to pay the United Nations ten million dollars for the damage it did to UN facilities and shelters during the War on Gaza.
That little fact my friend renders your insane rant rather meaningless and impotent.
January 17, 2010 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well sometimes , Jews And Israelis have the "Shtitel" Mentality - trying to be nice to the goyim - IMHO - I don't give a shit about you / UN and other bodies ...
I prefer to be hated than to be dead or in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea...
By the way go back to HAARETZ - Their 2% readers in Israel are in extinction !!
Say hi to G.Levy And Amira SS
January 17, 2010 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am a long-time reader of IPF Friday, and now your TPM posts. I want to congratulate you for your Jan. 15 blog about lifting the siege. It seems to me that that posting represents a step forward in your thinking, in that you finally call for the US to stop backing Israel's every move.
I was particularly impressed with your statement:
"The United States needs to tell the Netanyahu government, in no uncertain terms, that we will not sit silently by if it launches another war using weapons we supply. Nor will we use our UN vetoes to deter resolutions condemning the use of disproportionate force."
and your defense of dealing with Hamas:
". . . it is possible . . . "to do business" with Hamas. It is also possible to do business with Binyamin Netanyahu. We just have to be clear that when we do business, we mean business.
And that means Hamas must stop the rockets. And Israel must terminate the blockade. Enough is enough."
The only way to end the blockage in peace talks is for the United States to stop rewarding Israel for its outrages, like last year's bombing of Gaza, using American weapons, that constituted war crimes. American diplomatic, financial, and military support of Israel must be rewards for progress towards peace.
Thank you and keep up the work.
January 22, 2010 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hello there, thank you for the share, i have to say, you have been impressive, i am more than happy to be around..keep updating here..
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December 12, 2010 6:55 AM | Reply | Permalink