Screw Joe Lieberman
I still have the Obama sticker I put on my Prius in March of 2007, but this healthcare cave-in, run by Rahm Emanuel, has got me fit to be tied. A few weeks ago I wrote about how I was coming to feel that Obama was a tragic prisoner of conventional "establishment" thinking. Democrats since Jimmy Carter believed you have to "govern from the center", even if you ran from the left. That was the great disappointment of the Clinton years as well.
This "establishment" vision has caused the terrible disconnect from Obama for many progressives over health care, banking reform, Afghanistan and the environment. We felt his victory margin was so great that he would be willing to govern as a progressive like FDR and Truman did. But unlike FDR, the "new ideas" he brought in with his cabinet appointments, were just left-overs from the Clinton years. He was young and he felt he had to be surrounded by old Washington hands. But that was not the right brain trust for this Interregnum Age.
Obama needs to see this health care revolt as a sign from the left that he cannot continue to ignore the progressives in his courtship of Joe Lieberman and Olympia Snowe. As TPM reports on Obama's falling poll ratings, (according to NBC's Chuck Todd) the problem is on the left.
The poll has 47% saying the Obama health care plan is a bad idea, to only 32% who say it's a good idea."Most of the movement on the 'bad idea' comes from some of the president's core support groups, folks upset about lost public option."
Obama must remember that Joe Lieberman backed John McCain. He owes nothing to Joe Lieberman, who only understands raw power politics. He has to send Rahm Emanuel up to Capitol Hill and run a reconciliation bill, based around the precepts in the House Bill, through the Senate on Health Care.
Screw Joe Lieberman.

















How do you really feel about Joe. It sound like you are thinking about him like a man would think about a woman.
I just wonder if you had these feeling about Sen. Rob Bird when he was fillabusering the equal rights amendment?
December 16, 2009 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're dead on here, Jon.
But also, Lieberman's power is now totally mysterious. The whole reason for appeasing this man - who backed John McCain - was to get the magical "60 votes", and acquire some sort of bizarre specualtive insurance against a filibuster. But Lieberman hasn't delivered that assistance. So what good was he? No reasonable person can think it is any easier to get Joe Lieberman's cloture vote than it is to get Olympia Snowe's, or some other moderate Republican's. Throw him off the committees, declare him a Republican, and throw him overboard for good. The moment that happens, his power-trip ends, and he becomes just another no-account Republican.
December 16, 2009 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "make nice with Lieberman" argument depends largely on the "he agrees with us on everything but the Iraq War" argument. I say that was always false but no matter... it isn't true now.
December 17, 2009 6:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nah.
Lieberman agrees with Obama -- and vise-versa -- on? On health care.
Note: Who's the White House angry with? Lieberman or Howard Dean?
December 17, 2009 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good point, as usual.
December 17, 2009 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its because of a medical condition:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/f/g/fgdesign/2009/12/transplant-procedure-not-cover.php
December 17, 2009 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I blogged this the other day cause I thought you would want to know what Joe said to the Democrat caucus. It also includes his margin notes (what he wuz thinking) in parentheses:
Dear fellow Democrats (I mean Ben and Evan, the rest of you are socialists):
I regret that I have made this hard for you (I meant to make it impossible) but I am confident that our differences can be bridged (if you do what I say). Policy issues are often very complex (as much as we can make them) and, for that reason, it is difficult to capture that which is best (for me) for our country in a simple statement (which is why I am now saying the opposite of all of my previous simple statements). You know how I feel about all of my longstanding friends (you also know what I think of you jerks in here) and I hope that our differences will make us (me) stronger rather than driving us apart (losing my Chairmanship). I look forward to our continuing work (so I can continue to screw you and laugh up my sleeve when Rahm tells Harry to give me anything I want!).
December 17, 2009 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nobody's courting Joe Lieberman. I haven't heard a kind word about him on this board. Nor do I want to hear a kind word about him.
That said, he's a vote in the Senate and that counts. I'd make a deal with the devil right now if it advanced reform in this country and I'd certainly make the same deal with Joe Lierberman. Acting holier than thou gets us nowhere and just makes us look like Holy Joe.
December 17, 2009 1:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Part of it now is the raw politics of losing. If there is no substantial health care bill, the Republicans will obviously wish to paint the (black) President as a total incompetent who needs to be nullified in 2010. Their deeply concerned base (the Klan) will be energized. I don't fully know the right way forward.
December 17, 2009 3:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Obama and the Dem leadership certainly seem to be making the case for them, no?
December 17, 2009 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another big worry is the Tea Party/Christianists/Libertarians. Read about Tony Perkins' (Family Research Council) Prayer-in or whatever it was called; its aim was to defeat HCR, or what Obama more aptly calls "Health Insurance Reform."
December 17, 2009 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
In this season of joy and giving, it is great wickedness that they cobble Christianity onto the idea of taking wealthy insurance barons' sides against the sick and needy.
A wonderful opportunity for birthers and buttholes to display just how morally destitute they are: doing Satan's work for the Lord!
December 17, 2009 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have been listening to them; for many it is about abortion language, but for many it's just godless-government interference. It's strange to me, too. And I married into a family of 'em, god help me!
December 17, 2009 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait...I thought we were supposed to screw Lieberman in this post.
Am I missing something?
December 17, 2009 3:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Joe appears to be impervious to anything. He screws us, he grins, he wins.
We do nothing beyond inviting him to the Democratic Party; the Democratic leaders say pleasant things about him.
What am I missing?
December 17, 2009 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
How about forgetting the surrender in advance philosophy altogether and simply coming out and fighting for what Obama supported before he became beholden to the insurance interests? Single payer: Medicare for All like Teddy Kennedy fought for, for all those years? People will support that. Polls are clear about that and it's something worth fighting for as opposed to the bullshit Obama has been trying to serve up in lieu of real reform.
December 17, 2009 3:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lieberman is just the face man. Screw Rahm. Screw the DLC. Screw the Neo-Dems. Screw the hard core deadly cynicism of a political party that would screw their base not to mention the American people on the signature issue of the Democratic Party.
They've chosen the shortest of short term expediency and sacrificed a generation of work by folks like Ted Kennedy and they've sacrificed whatever heart or soul remained in the party.
And it's going to backfire because however little attention the American people pay one thing has not escaped them. This bill is not about them. Whoever it is about, Joe and his vendetta, Rahm and his king making, Obama and his paper doll fronting for big corporate interests, and the corrupt Congressm, this bill is not about us.
December 17, 2009 7:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
--- face man ---
Never truer words were spoken.
December 17, 2009 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Go, Bluebell!
December 17, 2009 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Obama must remember that Joe Lieberman backed John McCain. He owes nothing to Joe Lieberman, who only understands raw power politics."
Lieberman is the godfather of DHS and still Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee. The Secret Service is now under DHS.
Imagine the possibilities.
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/the-protection-racket/
December 17, 2009 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is no god. He is an excellent politician. We thought he was our politician (somewhat). But the somewhat is mighty small. He is pretty smart letting Lieberman take the fall for his own preferred outcome.
December 17, 2009 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
What makes you think that would be his preferred outcome? (bill dies, that is)
December 17, 2009 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andy Borowitz on the health care bill.
December 17, 2009 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
This one made me giggle, too:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/obama-transfers-balls-to_b_393873.html
December 17, 2009 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent. :
December 17, 2009 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
To hell with Obama, Reid, Lieberman, and Nelson.
I'm sure I can find a Republican somewhere in this country that I'd rather have as President in place of Obama.
December 17, 2009 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Miss me?
December 17, 2009 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much as we miss outhouses and no running water. And I say this from (ahem!) experience, dear.
December 17, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
So if you're someone whose job it is and will be to write fundraising letters for the DNC or DSCC or DCCC, at this point is the better lede to try to get the solicitee worked up Joe Lieberman or Sarah Palin?
December 17, 2009 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink