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Goucher College Bans Speakers It Deems Anti-Israel --Also, How Joe Lieberman Became A Rightwing Crank

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Anyone who still doubts the Walt-Mearsheimer thesis (that the lobby tries to squelch debate on Israel-Palestine) should check this out.

It is a piece by Rabbi Brian Walt who was scheduled to participate on a panel called "Palestinian Human Rights: Your Involvement" until Goucher's President banned the session from taking place.

According to the college newspaper, Sanford Ungar, President of Goucher, put the kibosh on the session, saying: "We don't want Goucher to end up on a list of schools with a reputation of bringing vehemently pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli speakers to campus. I don't think it would be good for enrollment."

I think he's really talking about donor support, not enrollment. (Students do not reject schools because debate at said school is too open. Some donors do).

Of course, the whole idea of banning a student forum because it may be one-sided is ridiculous. Does Ungar ban programs on the Iraq war that are one-sided or on climate issues or on the Obama Presidency? Of course not.

Perhaps most ironic is that the Goucher censor is Sanford Ungar who is a lifelong journalist and former head of Voice of America. I doubt he agrees with the position he took. But these are troubled economic times and keeping a small private college going probably requires keeping the lobby off his back.

Is any other issue handled this way? In a country where a group of college kids can get together and organize to impeach the President, to oppose a war, or to address any issue they feel like addressing, this is the one exception. Incredible.

Plus, Peter Beinart on the ugly devoution of Joe Lieberman.

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I'm somewhat embarassed to know this is Jonah Goldberg's alma mater

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Are any other issues handled this way?

right...there's endless debate on America's campuses about the oil lobby...the nefarious and pernicious effects of the relationship between the universities and DARPA...and no doubt Harvard and Johns Hopkins Med schools have plenty of loud debates about money for medical-bio research...and the Pharm-Empire...why just the other day a crowd gathered to hear why JHU has billions for medical research and the teachers in the humanities haven't had a raise in two decades...of course the crowd consisted of one undergrad who was lost, and a janitor on a coffee break...

what planet do you live on...because on planet earth the "debate" in America is a mile wide and an inch deep...like your blog...

so it goes...

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Israel is a foreign country, the only one in the world which Americans fear criticizing. No other country has robots who rush to defend it. I can criticize Japan, Ghana or India to my heart's content, even at Goucher.
But not Israel, not without robotic demonstrators showing up and robotic donors waving their now-closed checkbooks.
It's a puzzlement.

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Really? Can you defend any organization on American campus which openly state its goal of killing all people of Japan, Ghana or India or suggest that Blacks should be slaves again, and so on.

However it's OK to be pro-Hamas on American campuses today, while Hams openly states its goal of murdering all Jews in the world including your children:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

What's the hutzpa. Some Jews don't want to donate to colleges who invite the PR people for organization determined to murder their children.

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Sometimes, MJ, language really matters.

This quote by Ungar is priceless: ""We don't want Goucher to end up on a list of schools with a reputation of bringing vehemently pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli speakers to campus.'

Note he didn't just oppose "anti-Israeli" speakers. He opposed "pro-Palestinian" speakers as well.

Frankly, I'm kind of enjoying watching all these hard-line Isarel supporters eat every principle they have to defend Likud policies.

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Frankly, I don't enjoy watching all these hard-line Jew haters defending Hamas policies of murdering Jews. I really, don't

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you are moving the goal post...you made two connected points...

one was that the issue is criticism of Israel the other is that any other topic is hot stuff for debate on American campuses...that is patently false...where is the lively (hell, I'll settle for zombified) debate about the utterly evil influence of Saudi money and the oil lobby...where oh where is there debate about DARPA and the research at our universities...where is there debate about the resulting inbalance between money for "science" and the resulting impovrishment of the humanities...

and the last time I checked GUPS (General Union of Palestinian Students) was able to hold large rallies at SFSU and UC Berkeley any day of the week...

or is that wrong?

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Logic? So if speakers are not banned everywhere they are banned nowhere?

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you're moving the gola post as well..

MJ says Israel's lobby prevents debate...he makes a corollary that it is that Israel is the only subject handled this way...

my first point was/is that there are plenty of other issues handled in exactly the same way or if not in the same way they still achieve the same result which is that there is no real debate...

MJ says Israel's lobby prevents real debate...


and this, he says, is different from every other country...

so, I'll try again...is there a debate on America's university campuses about the pernicious influence of big oil or DARPA just to cite two examples...if so i have missed it and would be fascinated to hear about them...

there is no genuine debate in this country about anything...

it's all just "Radio Nowhere..." which is about the effects of corporate fascism on individual freedom...and the loss of the singular voice necessary for genuine debate...about anything...

so it goes...right out of Henry Miller and the Air conditioned Nightmare...

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There's endless debate on America's campuses about the oil lobby...the nefarious and pernicious effects of the relationship between the universities and DARPA...

And to date, no one's shut down those debates.

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Please provide examples...

thank you...

Marlow

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Let's see the short list first.

Thank you!

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I don't understand what you mean...you said that there are plenty of debates regarding the oil lobby and the relationship between DARPA and American universities...

I'm prepared to believe that and asked you for examples...

You responded by asking for the "short list"...

Short list of what?

Thank you.

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That would be the list of open debates on Palestinian human rights without "robotic demonstrators showing up and robotic donors waving their now-closed checkbooks".

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MJ said the only issue handled this way was regarding Israel...i pointed out (and will point out again) that GUPS hold demonstrations on a regular basis...well attended...no robots...

but the nuance always seems to escape everyone...the meta issue is corporate media is a mile wide and an inch deep...

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The Wikipedia approach (having never ever heard of Goucher):

1. Goucher has the 15th highest percentage of Jewish students in the county with 30% identifying as Jewish. [The 14 surpassing it are places such as NYU, BU, the Ivy League schools, i.e. schools I HAVE heard of.]

2. In U.S. News and World Report, Goucher's ranking has fluctuated from #93 to #111 in recent years.

3. Goucher's annual tuition and fees (not including housing, meals, just fees) c. $35,000 /yr

Conclusion: Goucher is ideal for Jewish kids from wealthy families who not bright enough to get into Harvard, Columbia, or Penn.

Money + Sub-par intelligence = AIPAC hypocrisy

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What's this has to do with AIPAC?
You can NOT force people to pay for giving platform to people who want to murder their children.

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Where is the slightest shred of evidence that would-have-been speakers Brian Walt, Josh Ruebner and Zahi Khamis EVER wanted to murder ANYbody, let alone any child?

Begone, it's time for your diaper change.

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They are PR people for Hamas.

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AIPAC acts as a PR vehicle for the West Bank settler terrorists. Does this prove that AIPAC wants to murder the children of American college students? The stinky diaper is retarding your 2 year old brain. Get it changed soon.

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AIPAC doesn't state that its goal to kill all Arabs, the main Hamas official goal to murder all Jews.

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"main Hamas official goal [is] to murder all Jews"

A very stupid (even for you) lie that you will not be manage to fix with a full diaper. Shows the depth of your personal Warsaw Ghetto paranoia complex however. Please have mommy give you fresh garments before heading off for mental counselling.

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Well, when people are saying that they want murder you, I think that they are not kidding. You can call it "Warsaw Ghetto paranoia complex"
I guess, you think the following is just funny. I don't.

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.

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This is not Hamas you are misquoting out of context. I don't THINK it is funny, I KNOW you are ignorant.

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Maybe he's a graduate of Goucher?

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This is the Hamas Charter, their founding document
In what context it's OK to kill Jews?

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It is the 1988 charter quoting Mohammed.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Whatever the hell this passage might mean (even if the quotation by Hamas and the English translation of the whole charter were beyond doubt, which they are not) the snippet is no proof that Hamas, let alone American professors not affiliated with it, want to kill children of college students in Maryland.

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What would be a prove?

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There is no proof for your (irrelevant to this page) juvenile AIPAC-fed paranoid fantasy because Hamas in reality is no more a mere murder machine than Irgun or Stern gang was in its day.

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Pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel students regularly shut down events on college campuses where pro-Israeli speakers are due to speak. Sometimes its done by the administration out of "security concerns" and other times simply by the pro-Pal students behaving like *ssholes. MJ, I don't think I have hear one complaint about incidents like this from you.

This current incident has nothing to do with AIPAC, or "the LOBBY". Any university has the right to decide what kind of speech and atmosphere it wants to promote, for ideological or practical reasons. To attribute it to "the LOBBY", is inane, at best.

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It's not insane. It's clever. MJ is not about logic or truth. He is about spreading a hate. I guess he is being paid by Iran or Hamas. We'll find out in 20 years. It took 50 years to find out that many "pro-peace", "pro-worker" activists were payed by KGB. Hopefully the truth about MJ and his friend will not wait that long.

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MJ has made clear in more than sufficient detail in a number of prior blog contributions what some of his motivations are. One, it is clear, is a keen sense of shame at being forced to share nationality and religion with paranoid amoral fools. Maybe this latest disgraceful false accusation will finally prompt him to get you banned, "Anna," as he or the website controllers should have done 30 or 40 of your lies ago. I know it is difficult for a two year to feel personal shame, but if you ever grow up and learn to read and discover basic morality such as that written in the Ten Commandments, e.g. #9, you might also learn the meaning of the word apology.

Now to the substance of the at least honestly named Nudnik's post: I doubt he has any credible amount of evidence showing "Pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel students regularly shut down events on college campuses where pro-Israeli speakers are due to speak." Certainly in America this happens with great infrequency relative to the reverse instance (as with this perhaps once respectable if third tier college whose president apparently feels compelled to become a world class hypocrite for the sake of kissing the behinds of warped financial benefactors).

Of course this has everything to do with the WEST BANK SETTLER-TERRORIST lobby (to give it its full and proper name). Their prime tool, AIPAC, and a host of fellow-traveler functionaries in the US and its anything but "51st state", have been on a paranoia-fueled decades-long quest to brainwash and browbeat Jewish Americans, who ought know better, and probably in most cases do, but who have far too often to been far too intimidated to properly speak out about the truth of the great ethical violations they are dragged into. "AnnA" here lies about children being murdered, but the world saw how innocent defenseless children were brutally blown to bits last January in a stupid and cynical and pitifully futile attempt by Omert, Livni, and Barak to win Israeli-terrorist votes away from Netanyahu by showing how Nazi-style "tough" they were. Thankfully MJ, notwithstanding his occasional missteps, is very unintimidated at dissasociating himself from those whose mission in life is to use and abuse the name of Jews and Americans as justification for their fevered Warsaw Ghetto complex nihilism and shameless amorality.

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How come WEST BANK SETTLER-TERRORIST lobby is able to control American colleges, American Congress, American press, American banks, American President, American people. WHAT IS GOING ON ???????? PTroub, please explain. Why they are so powerful?

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Settlers don't control any of those entities. They don't even control AIPAC. AIPAC willingly acts as their tool (though pretending to represent Jews in general)in getting Congress to remain biased on Mideast policy, and it intimidates colleges, McCarthy-style stifiling free speech, and it helps brainwash paranoid fools, who think Warsaw 1943 is forever and that anyone who disagrees with them wants to murder their children, such as you.

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Why is AIPAC willingly acts as their tool?
Why is AIPAC so powerful?

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Re the Lieberman piece by Beinart.

Thanks for this. It is too narrowly critical of Traitor Joe (there is surely more than bitterness warping him), particularly inadequate on his Cheney-Bush Rubberstamp role long before 2004, and worships quite naively at the "liberal-conservative red-blue" altar of the Political Science Fossil Church, but it is a beautifully written piece of prose. I will watch this columnist more in the future.

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WHO WROTE:

“...In any situation in which a non-Jew’s presence endangers Jewish lives, the non-Jew may be killed even if he is a righteous Gentile and not at all guilty for the situation that has been created…When a non-Jew assists a murderer of Jews and causes the death of one, he may be killed, and in any case where a non-Jew’s presence causes danger to Jews, the non-Jew may be killed…The [Din Rodef] dispensation applies even when the pursuer is not threatening to kill directly, but only indirectly…Even a civilian who assists combat fighters is considered a pursuer and may be killed. Anyone who assists the army of the wicked in any way is strengthening murderers and is considered a pursuer. A civilian who encourages the war gives the king and his soldiers the strength to continue. Therefore, any citizen of the state that opposes us who encourages the combat soldiers or expresses satisfaction over their actions is considered a pursuer and may be killed. Also, anyone who weakens our own state by word or similar action is considered a pursuer…Hindrances—babies are found many times in this situation. They block the way to rescue by their presence and do so completely by force. Nevertheless, they may be killed because their presence aids murder. There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults...”

ANSWER:

Torat ha-Melekh [The King’s Teaching], which was recently published, was written by Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, the dean of the Od Yosef Hai yeshiva in the community of Yitzhar near Nablus and Rabbi Yossi Elitzur (also from the same yeshiva.) The book contains over 200 pages on the laws concerning the killing of non-Jews, a kind of guide for anyone who ponders the question of if and when it is permissible to take the life of a non-Jew

http://coteret.com/2009/11/09/settler-rabbi-publishes-the-complete-guide-to-killing-non-jews/

Where is the outrage when Settler Rabbis sanction the murder of the innocent?

To those who say non-violent resistance to Israel's discriminatory policies are wrong and should not be heard of or debated on a campus of higher education, I ask you, why then is it acceptable for teachers, for Rabbis, to advocate for and to justify the murder of the innocents on a yeshiva. To advocate for and justify the murder of "...Hinderance Babies...'

There should never be any room for such abominations. I ask again, where is the outrage?

Fortunately for common decency, voices of reason can be found in the strangest of places. From M. J. Rosenberg here at the TPMCafe, to "Iran Rabbi urges Jews to burn controversial book, Tuesday, 17 Nov 2009."
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=111484.

"...A prominent rabbi of the Iranian Jewish community has urged his congregation to burn 'The King's Torah', a controversial book, which supports the murder of non-Jews. In his recently released book, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva (religious school) in the occupied West Bank, endorses the murder of non-Jews -- even babies and children -- if they pose an actual or potential threat to Israel. The book, co-authored by Yossi Elitzur, states that Jews are allowed to kill "those who, by speech, weaken our sovereignty", adding that it is permissible "to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation." The decree is backed by several Israeli rabbis including Yitzhak Ginsburg and Yaakov Yosef. Shapiro claims that the Torah and Talmud fully justify his edict.

The Iranian rabbi, however, said on Monday that the book's message, in fact, directly contradicted the teachings of Moses. Rabbi Golestaninejad said the book was not based on the tenets of the Jewish faith. One of the Ten Commandments in Exodus states "Thou shalt not murder." In the Book of Genesis, as well, murder is forbidden and it is stipulated that anyone who spills blood, must pay for his deed with the spilling of his own blood, said the rabbi, who called the edict a blatant distortion of religious teachings. Golestaninejad said the word 'rabbi' means 'wise', so it is very unlikely that a wise person, who is responsible for teaching religion, would condone the murder of persons of other beliefs.

Anyone who utters anything in opposition to the faith, and then goes on to falsely attribute it to the Torah, Mishnah, Talmud or Halakha deserves punishment and chastisement, he said, adding that the idea behind the verdict is absolutely false. Jews are followers of Moses. Hence, they do not adhere to Zionism and the ideas of Theodor Herzl, the father of modern political Zionism, the rabbi said. Rabbi Golestaninejad condemned the publication of 'The King's Torah' and called on all Jews to burn the book which he said propagates non-religious ideas..."

'"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

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Who Wrote:

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.

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AnnaA, you keep on repeating this one quote without appearing to fully understand it. Allow me to proffer an interpretation. This is clearly an allegory.

The stones and the trees betray the whereabout of a Jewish man. The stones and the trees ask a Muslim to come and kill the Jewish man.

Clearly the stones and the trees represent evil. Two men, of two different faiths, are pitied against each other by evil. They could just as easily have been Catholic and Protestant, or Jew and Gentile. But in this allegory they are Muslim and Jew. How this situation resolves itself will depend upon the nobility which resides within the soul of each man.

Evil will triumph through the senseless taking of a life. Goodness will prevail, when in this example, Muslim and Jew unite, and banish evil.

And that was the point I so poorly tried to make when I first provided a lengthy quote from the Torat ha-Melekh [The King’s Teaching] by Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira and Rabbi Yossi Elitzurto, and then responded to their 'insanity' using the words of Rabbi Golestaninejad. All three men are teachers of the word of God. Two read God's word and find justification in the murder of innocents. The third reads God's word and finds compassion and tolerance, and the need to speak out in defense of the innocent.

320 Palestinian children were killed in the last Gaza offensive. They need to know why they died. I hope Anna, you will take the path which leads in defense of these innocents and say to them while your deaths were senseless, from your passing I will strive to create peace. Or will you allow Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira and Rabbi Yossi Elitzur to answer the question "...because you were Hindrances babies..."

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Great post. But intelligent responses are wasted on AnnaA. He only listens to the dog whistle frequency of criticisms of the Jewish State. For example:

You say, "The Occupation is wrong."

He hears, "All the Jews must die."

His emotional thermostat defaults to the "outrage" setting.

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You say "there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." and I hear "there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him."

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I see, "there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." is just an allegory.
OK, I'm not M.J. He understands and like this allegory. I don't. Plead guilty, I'm narrow minded bigot, racist.

320 Palestinian children were killed in the last Gaza offensive. They need to know why they died.

They died because Hamas wanted them to die. Their dead bodies are the main weapons in the PR war against Israel waged by the Hamas PR men such as M.J.

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At Princeton and Columbia speeches by Nonie Darwish were cancelled last week because she was too critical of Islam and too pro-Israel. Darwish, who grew up in Gaza, is today a Christian who talks about the anti-Semitic teachings in the Arab world.
Will MJ denounce the cancellation of Darwish? I doubt it.

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They should let her talk. She's precisely the type of mediocrity that supports Gun Zionism. In her speeches, she betrays her people (Palestinians), her former faith (Islam), and her family (her father).

She is an absolutely detestable human being. Real human garabge. And, to my mind, she is the perfect representative of Israel's friends in the Arab World.

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They should let him (MJ) talk. He's precisely the type of mediocrity that supports Hamas. In his speeches, he betrays his people Jews), his former faith (Judaism), and his family (his grandfather).

He is an absolutely detestable human being. Real human garbage. And, to my mind, he is the perfect representative of Hamas's friends in US.

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This incident is different. At least at Princeton, the speaker was de-invited by the sponsoring group, not banned or restricted by the university administration:

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2009/11/19/24497/

According to Wikipedia, she is not exactly hurting for speaking opportunities:

"She has spoken on numerous college campuses including Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Princeton, Brown, Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Oxford, Cornell, UCLA, NYU, Virginia Tech, UC Berkeley and several others. She has also spoken on Capitol Hill, the House of Lords, and The European Parliament."

I agree with Myth about college speakers. Let the nut-case charlatan hate-mongerers talk, Achmedinejad, Dershowitz, David Duke, David Irving, Hugo Chavez, Netanyahu, Sun Myung Moon, etc, the whole rogues gallery. And give Fs to students who neglect their studies by focusing too heavily on such lunatic fringe presentations.

I don't have the impression that either Darwish or Walt are comparably extreme, but the same openness should apply.

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Quite amazing. In all of the outrageous posts, no one on either side bothered to check Walt's article to note that Ungar didn't prohibit the presentation, but said that it could be run as a class, in a
classroom with the three speakers, or could be run as scheduled with the addition of a Pro-Israeli speaker to add some balance. As usual, Rosenberg's paranoia and AIPAC hatred doesn't match up to the facts. (And he calls himself a journalist.)

But I guess these folks are afraid to be on a program with someone with another viewpoint. Probably with good reason. (If the Palestinian Professor is unhappy about his employer's decision, he ought to quit to support his principles.)

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I saw it, and also wondered what kind of BS class this was to begin with, but none of that excuses the outrageous and hypocritical statement of college president. It is one thing to have a BS class, it is another to micromanage a whole college on the basis of complete catering to whatever warped biases are held by its major donors.

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The point of course is that pro-Palestinian voices always have to be "balanced" in the format with a pro-Israel position. However, Zionists get to speak solo. What a joke Goucher is.

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I wonder what % of students at Goucher (or any other college today) can promptly locate the West Bank on a map of the world. I wouldn't mind the "balance" so much if it were pure hypocrisy, but hypocrisy combined with infotaining ignorance is truly beyond the pale.

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RE: "Goucher College Bans Speakers It Deems Anti-Israel"

SEE: “The Trial of Israel’s Campus Critics”, by David Theo Goldberg and Saree Makdisi, SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER 2009 TIKKUN MAGAZINE

(excerpt) …It is an extraordinary fact that no fewer than thirty-three distinct organizations-including AIPAC, the Zionist Organization of America, the American Jewish Congress, and the Jewish National Fund-are gathered together today as members or affiliates of the Israel on Campus Coalition. The coalition is an overwhelmingly powerful presence on American college campuses for which there is simply no equivalent on the Palestinian or Arab side. Its self-proclaimed mission is not merely to monitor our colleges and universities. That, after all, is the commitment of Campus Watch, which was started by pro-Israel activists in 2002. It is, rather (and in its own words), to generate “a pro-active, pro-Israel agenda on campus.” There is, accordingly, disproportionate and unbalanced intervention on campuses across the country by a coalition of well-funded organizations, who have no time for — and even less interest in — the niceties of intellectual exchange and academic process. Insinuation, accusation, and defamation have become the weapons of first resort to respond to argument and criticism directed at Israeli policies. As far as these outside pressure groups (and their campus representatives) are concerned, the intellectual and academic price that the scholarly community pays as a result of this kind of intervention amounts to little more than collateral damage…

ENTIRE EXCELLENT ARTICLE – http://www.tikkun.org/article.php/sept_oct_09_goldberg_makdisi

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It gets worse. See this article about Princeton and Columbia.

Censorship on campus is not anything new, unfortunately.

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Sometimes it helps to look at what is going on in similar case elsewhere : even though there is no exact analog
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2009/11/israel-lobby-in-britain-extraordinary.html
The Brits are having a scandal over perversion of domestic politics by the 'Israel' lobby dominating funds available for political campaigns. The exact same thing is reported about the U.S.A.
For background comparison as to whether this is a reasonable position, consider the old political intrigue from the time of the Seven Day's War, when the Liberty, an electronic spy ship sent to report if Israel was going to overreach U.S.-desired activity levels, was attacked by Israeli forces...and the information suppressed as a 'National Security' issue.
I'd say it's somewhat entrenched all right.
The funny thing is, Israelis at home are much more vocal about what they don't like about current trends than you see reported in the U.S. press...as any follower of Haaretz or Tikkun would know.

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in the US you can criticize the united states government. you can criticize, deny, and mock god. but criticizing israel is defcon 1.

israel is the god above all other gods. please bow your head and worship accordingly. it pleases foxman (peace be upon him) and dershowitz (peace be upon him).

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You can criticize Israel. You do.criticize Israel.
However, it's somehow not allowed to criticize people who criticize Israel.

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A maelstrom of odium.

Read the comments in here today and tell me how Mr US President is able to do anything at all about the I/P situation.

The SUPPORTERS of our Dear Ally are just about murdering each other. An 'honest broker' is powerless in this sort of regrettable fight.

Add in the viewpoint of zionist Christians, the fervent supporters who just happen to despise the people they support.

Get the supporters to come up with some sort of compromise first. Get them to agree on something, anything. Then call in the US president.

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