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Blog_CT_Scan_CostI must say I'm worried that the Democrats are setting a trap for themselves on Health Care Reform by not really confronting the issue of cost inflation. Why does a CT Scan in America cost so much more than any other country. And it's not just scans, it's the whole range of services. Although it's very hard to find, there is certain anecdotal evidence that part of the problem is an oversupply of hospitals and medical technology providers. Take Washington, DC for example.

The Washington, D.C., hospital sector has an excess of hospital beds and a concentration of services at the high end. Four community hospitals; three academic medical centers; a large, nonacademic tertiary care hospital; five specialty hospitals; and a public general hospital all compete to serve a city with a population of only 500,000. In addition, there are two military facilities. Forty percent of patients in this market are drawn from the adjacent Maryland and Virginia suburbs.

In the Libertarian's "perfect market" pipe-dreams, an oversupply should drive down costs of individual services. But that's not what happens. Each hospital that has invested millions in buying CT Scanners must amortize the cost over fewer patients by raising the cost of each scan. The same problem is plaguing Pittsburgh.
The region's hospitals are trying to add nearly 1 million square feet of clinical space between 2006 and 2009 -- a construction boom that is raising questions about a potential oversupply of costly hospital resources...

"There happens to be a lot of construction going on, but most of it deals with aging plants and the need to stay current with advances in technology," said Ms. Riefner, who helps hospitals obtain financing for capital projects. "It's not a matter of just spending money for the sake of spending money -- they truly want to deliver the best possible care that they can."


So all the region's hospitals are caught in a technology arms race. No one is trying to figure out how many CT Scanners we need in a region and normal market mechanisms that would punish hospitals or clinics for spending too much on technology don't work because we don't have single payer system that disciplines the free market in every other developed country.

So are we about to pass a big giveaway to the hospitals, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical firms without any way to control the medical technology arms race?


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we don't have single payer system that disciplines the free market in every other developed country

I don't believe it. Medicare doesn't discipline the free market now. Why should it if expanded? The providers would just play politics with it, as they do now. The Atlantic Monthly solution - doing away with insurance except for catastrophic events - is much, much better.

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Spider-You didn't look at the chart. Look what Medicare pays for a CT scan.

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Because Medicare doesn't reimburse at full cost, except to critical access facilities, most hospitals bill far more than they actually receive. Only self-payers pay full cost (and they are royally ripped off) so your chart may be misleading. Please cite the source and I will do the research.

As for Medicare and cost control, here's what the WSJ has to say

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/03/13/medicare-will-keep-covering-ct-heart-scans-after-all/

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I linked to all of the charts in the piece. They all have citations

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On page 34 of the IFP report I found the caveat

"Scans and Imaging : USA charges include physician and facility fees. Non-Medicare US data reflect
the average and maximum quotes provided by an online price comparison site"

The implication is that these charges may not be included in charges from other countries, and that Medicare and non-Medicare fees may not be directly comparable. I've written to Tom Sackvilled for a clarification.

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Tom Sackville's e-mail address was rejected so I'll have to find some other way of contacting him. Meanwhile, here are the contents of the letter.

"Mr. Sackville,

I've looked through your report, trying to understand cost differences. I focused on CAT scans.

On page 34 of the report I found the following caveat
"Scans and Imaging : USA charges include physician and facility fees. Non-Medicare US data reflect the average and maximum quotes provided by an online price comparison site"
What does it mean? Are those charges not included in reports from other countries? Are they included in non-Medicare and Medicare data?

The report gives the numbers but no explanation for the differences. How does Medicare keep its payments so far below the U.S. average? I suspect it does so by simply not reimbursing at full cost thus forcing providers to make up the difference in other ways...or take a loss. How do other countries manage to keep their costs so much below the United States? One would think the machines are at least as costly abroad so other countries must keep them longer or use them much more intensely. How else?"

Maybe someone else can do the clarification.

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Medicare doesn't discipline the free market, it deletes it. The problem is that in the United States, NO ONE is responsible for medical costs. Not patients, who don't pay for them and often don't ever think that they "pay" for their insurance (although they do - rising medical costs are the main reason that "real wages" have stagnated since the 1990's).

American health insurance, with its "systems" and restrictions on competition both at the insurance level and the provider level as a result of past legislation (including Medicare), basically prevents providers from competing on price.

American medical care is a government enforced provider cartel. Monopoly prices charged to the end user, with every special interest along the way (including the government) siphoning off some of the money.

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So are we about to pass a big giveaway to the hospitals, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical firms without any way to control the medical technology arms race?

Jon - The proposed healthcare reforms propose to do something very different from what you imply.

There is also a great deal of evidence already dealing with these issues that the reformers are aware of. The OECD, for example, has made the multinational comparisons. Based on spending as a percent of national wealth, they find that the U.S. exceeds other nations to a modest extent on price, but to a far larger extent on quantity - we perform more CTs, more knee replacements, etc., than the other nations. However, even more telling are comparisons within the U.S. that show that regions differ dramatically in costs and utilization, despite the evidence that the low cost areas (which are comparable to costs in other nations) achieve health outcomes equalling or exceeding those in high cost regions. See, for example, the work of the Dartmouth group

http://dartmed.dartmouth.edu/spring07/html/atlas.php

The reform packages propose to address this in a number of ways to change medical practices from an emphasis on quantity to one that rewards value. These include incentives to enhance primary care and preventive services, as well as departures from traditional fee for service (the system followed by Medicare today) in favor of alternatives that include "medical homes", accountable care organizations, partial capitation, and various other forms of bundled payments to give providers an incentive to achieve good outcomes at reduced costs.

Your post is timely, however, in emphasizing the importance of this element of healthcare reform as an antidote to the almost obsessive focus exclusively on insurance reform. Both are needed. The reforms on the provider side can be started, if the legislation passes, within the Medicare system, and if successful there, would naturally extend into other populations. Passage of a public option would expedite the extension of these reforms, although they could be accomplished eventually even in the absence of that option.

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Oh, the experiences I've had during the final days of my brothers' life!

Shuttling between hospitals via ambulances and helicopters. During one ambulance transfer, his attendant convinced him to buy a supplemental health insurance policy for $300 cash. I refused to provide the money as Brother was days from death.

Seven stents implanted implanted during final stages of life.

Three MRIs performed in a 36 hour period at three different hospitals.

After it was determined to cease life support, I walked into intensive care and found a dialysis team preparing to perform kidney dialysis on him. I stopped the procedure.

When he was removed from life support, he was transferred to a general room. It took him three days to expire. On the second day during this period I was told that he had to be moved to a nursing home via attended ambulance. After a heated argument with his case doctor I drove 100 miles to prepare him for transfer the following day. While at home that night, I received a call that my brother had died...alone.

Many times, I would observe various doctors eating lunch together in the hospital cafeteria. Then, as a group, I would later observe them in my brothers room. They would walk in and look at my brother and walk out. I correlated names and dates that reflected billing for consultation fees.

In summation expensive medical equipment fees were addressed in the initial topic. In my estimation, the system is rotten to the core and the entire industry is scratching for its' cut of the pie.

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The whole system is full of perverse incentives, from coupons that encourage patients to opt for the brand-name drug instead of the generic, which saves them $20 or so, while it makes the pharma an extra couple hundred paid by insurance, to the fee-based system that rewards activity instead of successful treatment.

But another perverse incentive is that too many insurers mean providers can charge more since there are no big negotiators. When there are, Like Blue Cross, Aetna might not have enough customers to get the lower prices BC gets, so they just dump their patients. Maryland regulates prices hospitals can charge (the horror!) so at least in that state s,all insurers don't get reamed. Ditto the uninsured, who actually pay the same thing the insurers do. Thus insurers, and providers, get to compete on quality of service. What a concept!

It is because of the insanity of asking market decisions from someone whose life might be at risk when they need care. ("Your money or your life"...."Well, hurry up, what's the problem?"..."I'm thinking, I'm thinking.")

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Jon,

you should be fair to libertarians. A true libertarian would be opposed to patent protection (a government granted monopoly), so CT scans would be cheap in their world.

It is only when you have corporate lackeys claiming to be free-market libertarian types that you get these ridiculous prices.

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Can you point to innovative government services that constantly reduce cost, while improving quality and
allows for paradigm shifts (or game changes)?
Can we afford to settle for anything less in medical care?

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Does the VA under Ken Kizer count?

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Explain how?

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They fixed a very bad system. They improved quality once. It's not good enough.

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corporate lackeys

Your underwear is showing, comrade.

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Dean, that is an outstanding point.

There is always room to grow. For many years the libertarian movement accepted intellectual property, that is now changing.

But its not just getting rid of patents. We need to get rid of malpractice lawsuits. These unfortunate laws drive doctors to practice defensive medicine.

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An interesting side effect of these obscene medical costs is the rise of "medical tourism." (I have three tourism websites and I have recently added one for medical tourism, so I've gotten into it.) US patients traveling south or overseas can save big on major medical procedures and have enough left over for a recovery vacation in Costa Rica, India or wherever. And now the insurers are picking up on it.

The four largest commercial U.S. health insurers — with enrollments totaling nearly 100 million people — have either launched pilot programs offering overseas travel or explored it. Several smaller insurers and brokers also have introduced travel options for hundreds of employers around the country.
Overseas care can lead to price breaks of more than $40,000, not counting travel costs, for procedures like knee replacement surgery or heart bypasses. Insurers, or employers who provide their own insurance, can save between 50% and 90% on major medical claims, said Jonathan Edelheit, president of the Florida-based Medical Tourism Association. A lower cost of living and lower prices for medical supplies and drugs help drive down care costs overseas compared to American providers.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-08-22-medical-tourism_N.htm
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In India, for example, a plain CT head scan is 1,000 Rs. ($21), a direct contrast scan 1,500 Rs. ($32) and a Plain & Contrast scan 2,000 Rs.($42).

Incidentally, in general CT scan costs vary widely within the US, to well above $1800, even in the same city. A table here shows two costs in Atlanta, $698 in facility A and $2214 in facility B.

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In the Libertarian's "perfect market" pipe-dreams, an oversupply should drive down costs of individual services. But that's not what happen

Fair market value = willing buyer, willing seller, both having knowledge of all relevant facts and neither being under compunction to buy or sell.

When you are a patient who is sick or even dying and you want desperately to get well, and your doctor says you need a CAT Scan, this does not fit the fair market definition, you would pay anything for it and you are trusting your doctor with the "knowledge" part.

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oops, correction:

not compunction but compulsion

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We have now spent months and months claiming that the cause of our health care woes is rapacious insurance companies when it turns out that the real culprits are the people who actually generate all the expenses in the first place.

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It's both, Economides. The insurers are responsible for enormous inequities - denying coverage or charging exorbitant rates for those with health problems, engaging in recissions for minor mistakes in insurance applications, placing limits on coverage, or denying legitimate claims because of their expense, all so as to offer premiums that will attract healthy consumers (the ones least in need). These reprehensible practices will be ended by proposed reforms.

On the other hand, the cost excess resides primarily in the healthcare system iteslf, but the insurers are not completely absolved. Rather than exert downward pressure on costs, they compete to offer providers (hospitals, physicians, etc.) the highest reimbursements they can, so as to gain market share, while then trying to cut corners on the service end to keep premiums within range of affordability. The excess provider costs are passed on to the consumers.

In a reformed system, the provider end will be pressured to restructure so as to be paid for value rather than quantity, and the cost savings can them be passed on to consumers. The current bills make a start in that direction, but they are only baby steps. More will be needed as reform proceeds.

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well yes i agree almost entirely. Avoiding adverse selection has led to intolerable insurance practices. but that doesn't drive cost. If you listen to the PO debate it almost ignores the fact that new regulations are what get us to universality.

I agree that most insurers aside from hmos put little downward pressure on price but is it really their job. All they need to do is charge a premium that covers their anticipated payouts. Insurers are cash machines. Ask Mr. Buffett about that.

Bottom line is that most of the dollars in the system wind up in the hands of the health care providers. Anyone notice who Jon left off this list: "So are we about to pass a big giveaway to the hospitals, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical firms without any way to control the medical technology arms race?"

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Everyone loves to hate insurance companies of all kinds, that's just reality. I'm not unusual in that regard (I'll spare you my rant on personal property insurance and their evil ways.)

Some of us who have been more interested in health care reform issues, or intimately involved in them via tortuous personal experience, discovered the big picture problem long ago, and in the process got over our fixation on the idea that killing insurance companies equals a magic pony. We spent those months and months years ago and moved on, realized that the insurance company problem is like teeny tiny step one. Yes, it's kind of frustrating to see other people go through the learning process, but that's the way it is in a democracy. I think the savviest health care reform plans take that into account, that its going to be a gradual learning process, through incremental changes, for the public to understand how fubar'ed our health system really is.

You know, if someone could wave a magic wand and we have single payer tomorrow we'd still have an awful mess on our hands. Get rid of the insurance companies tomorrow does not make us the Canadian health care system tomorrow, it's not going to work that way, we let soooo many things, actual brick and mortar things, plus many other systems and virtual things, and pay structures and employment, get built in the wrong direction. It's more like a slow "reverse course" process we have to do to get there. Especially in a democracy with such an important issue to everyone, where too much change is something some will fight to the death against.

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The congressional Dems apparently agree with you.

news report:

Senior Congressional Democrats told ABC News today it is highly unlikely that a health care reform bill will be completed this year, just a week after President Barack Obama declared he was "absolutely confident" he'll be able to sign one by then.

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Nice jobs !

free to join here !

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