Nancy Pelosi and George Miller Must Stop House Resolution Bashing Goldstone
It is hard to imagine that the United States Congress can outdo its own record of rousing support for any and all Israeli actions and policies. But now, according to a report by Spencer Ackerman in the Washington Independent, it is preparing to do just that.
Next week the Democratic House is slated to vote on a resolution - introduced by Howard Berman (chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee), Gary Ackerman (chairman of the Subcommittee on Europe and the Middle East) and two Republicans, Ranking Members Ileana Ros-Lehtinen and Dan Burton.
The legislators pushing the resolution say the Goldstone report is unfair and biased against Israel. Although the report condemns both Israel and Hamas for "war crimes," the representatives take strong issue with Goldstone's finding that Israel took little care to protect civilians during its massive onslaught.
Of course, the numbers themselves support Goldstone. According to B'Tselem, the Israeli human rights organization, "Israeli security forces killed 1,382 Palestinians during the 22-day military operation. Of those, 774 did not take part in the hostilities, including 320 minors and 109 women over the age of 18."
Number of Israelis killed: 9 (3 by friendly fire).
The resolution ignores those numbers, offering not even a word of sympathy to those who were killed. 320 kids!
It is hard to imagine that Speaker Nancy Pelosi or George Miller, chair of the House Democratic Policy Committee, will permit this resolution to come to floor. Both have worked for decades to promote America's role as honest broker between Israelis and Palestinians and a more balanced policy toward the Muslim world.
But passing this resolution will remove any illusion that the United States can serve as mediator. It also will send a message to Arabs and Muslims worldwide that our much proclaimed human rights ideals do not apply to them. That will hardly help us in Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else in the Muslim world. This resolution can be opposed on national security grounds alone.
Does any of this matter to the House members who are pushing this resolution or the majority likely to vote for it? It should. Many of them are liberals who have rightly criticized actions by our own country in Iraq, Afghanistan or wherever, some going all the way back to Vietnam. Why this exception? Is AIPAC really that intimidating?
On the same day that news came of the Congressional resolution, Ken Silverstein of Harper's interviewed Desmond Travers, one of the four members of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, which produced the Goldstone Report. Travers is a retired colonel in the Irish army who commanded troops with in various UN and EU peace support missions. Excerpts follow.
Silverstein to Travers: "Were you surprised by the criticism of the report?
Travers: "There was a lot of criticism even before the report came out, primarily against individuals, especially Justice Richard Goldstone. So we were not unduly surprised by the whinging when the report was released, except for the intensity and viciousness of the personal attacks. Justice Goldstone has publicly invited the critics, especially within the U.S. government, to come forward with substantive evidence of incorrect or inaccurate statements. But there has been no credible criticism of the report itself or of the information elucidated in it....
Silverstein: Critics have also said that Hamas deliberately inserted its fighters among civilians and that doing so increased the civilian toll. Did you find that to be the case?
Travers: We found no evidence that Hamas used civilians as hostages. I had expected to find such evidence but did not. We also found no evidence that mosques were used to store munitions. Those charges reflect Western perceptions in some quarters that Islam is a violent religion. Gaza is densely populated and has a labyrinth of makeshift shanties and a system of tunnels and bunkers. If I were a Hamas operative the last place I'd store munitions would be in a mosque. It's not secure, is very visible, and would probably be pre-targeted by Israeli surveillance. There are a many better places to store munitions. We investigated two destroyed mosques-one where worshippers were killed-and we found no evidence that either was used as anything but a place of worship.
There is a sinister and foolish notion among certain proponents of insurgency warfare that to fight an insurgency means that civilians will inevitably be killed. But if you give the state authority to be indiscriminate with the lives of civilians in pursuing insurgents, it plays into the hands of the insurgents. Dead bodies are grist to the insurgents' mill: if the dead are on your side they represent insurgent victories and if the dead are on their side then they have martyrs.
Silverstein: What other issues do you think need to be addressed
We were disturbed by the lethality and toxicity of weapons used in Gaza, some of which have been in Western arsenals since the Cold War, such as white phosphorous, which incinerated 14 people, including several children in one attack; flechettes, small darts that are designed to tumble upon entering human flesh in order to cause maximum damage, strictly in breach of the Geneva Convention; and highly carcinogenic tungsten shrapnel and dime munitions, which contain tungsten in powder form. There is also a whole cocktail of other problematic munitions suspected to have been used.
There are a number of other post-conflict issues in Gaza that need to be addressed. The land is dying. There are toxic deposits from all the munitions that have been dropped. There are serious issues with water-its depletion and its contamination. There is a high instance of nitrates in the soil that is especially dangerous to children. If these issues are not addressed, Gaza may not even be habitable by World Health Organization norms."
It is not a surprise that the Israeli government does not want its tactics criticized. But it is a travesty when Israel's friends in Congress join Israel in that resistance to criticism. 320 children were killed and the House will go on record criticizing not those deaths but those who say they should never have happened.
The House resolution needs to be stopped or re-written so that its purpose is not to shoot the messenger but to condemn violence directed at civilians by both sides.
Cross Posted at Media Matters Action Network where MJ Rosenberg is a Senior Fellow on foreign policy




















"I asked Rosen if aipac suffered a loss of influence after the Steiner affair. A half smile appeared on his face, and he pushed a napkin across the table. “You see this napkin?” he said. “In twenty-four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin.” - j goldberg
israel would never agree to being the 51st state because it would then be limited to only two senators.
October 30, 2009 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is one way to read those numbers. The other way is that those numbers are powerful evidence of the Hamas war crime of using human shields.
It should be fairly easy to figure out which reading is correct. Was Hamas careful to position its military assets away from civilians, or was Hamas careful to intermingle its military assets with civilians?
October 30, 2009 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's obviously for any reasonable person not employed be a Hamas PR lobby, that Hamas had only single goal in mind when in started a massive rocket attack. To cause the death as many Palestinian children as possible to be used as a weapon in the PR war against Israel.
October 30, 2009 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is equally obvious that
(a) Hamas has zero support in the US Congress (or on this website either, foul repeated lies to the contrary notwithstanding)
(b) West Bank settlers, who are so righteously sacred that few in Congress dare to so much as hint that they might be less than worthy of US support, have as one of THEIR principal strategies to provoke as many Palestinian acts of violence as possible to help in their brainwashing campaign of the sub-intelligent in the USA
Here we have two groups of foreign thugs: one that the US has jacksh-- to do with, and the other that would largely cease to exist were it not for the cowardly backstopping of the US Congress. Which has Anna the Openminded spent the last 800 posts here championing, defending, exusing, lying pitifully to try excuse and deny the existence of?
October 30, 2009 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
FYI, West Bank settlers do not live in Gaza.
October 30, 2009 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
FYI, if that is possible, I never said they did.
October 31, 2009 7:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Then what West Bank settlers had to do with Hamas massive rocket attack from Gaza?
October 31, 2009 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could you show me a source that demonstrates that the IDF allowed Palestinian civilians to leave the Gaza strip before they started bombing? As you know, the US Marines surrounded Fallujah and allowed the city of 300,000 to empty of about 90% of its citizens before beginning their assault. The IDF did not.
And your misuse of the term "human shields" is instructive. According to your usage, the British of using "human shields" when the Germans bombed London during the Blitz.
October 31, 2009 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's obviously for any reasonable person not employed be a Hamas PR lobby, that Hamas had only the only goal in mind when in started a massive rocket attack. To cause the death as many Palestinian children as possible to be used as a weapon in the PR war against Israel.
October 31, 2009 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm generally in accord with the tenor of this post, but I think a point is worth making about the comparison between an estimated 1382 Gazans killed as opposed to 9 Israelis. The 1382 is a legitimate target for condemnation. On the other hand, the low Israeli death toll should not be construed as implying restraint on the part of Hamas or other Palestinian factions, but rather their inability to exact a higher toll. I have seen no evidence that Hamas would not have preferred to kill 1382 Israeli civilians or even more. In that sense, Israel should not be additionally criticized for suffering few casualties. Every society has an obligation to minimize the losses to its own members, and the legitimate criticism should be reserved for the casualties it inflicted on the other side.
The 9 or so Israeli casualties were those suffered during the conflict. Israelis of course also suffered casualties during the previous years of rocket attacks. One can argue that these were also too few to justify the level of assault inflicted by the Israelis in Gaza. It's a legitimate argument, but doesn't completely accomodate the additional principle that a nation enduring persistent and relentless attacks, even when most attacks do little harm, can feel justified in believing that to discourage further attacks requires a disproportion between what it is receiving and what it is willing to dish out. Again, this is no excuse for unprovoked killing of civilians, but it is a reminder that disproportion by itself is not necessarily an adequate criterion for allocating blame.
October 30, 2009 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
If we use Taliban numbers, are hundreds thousands of Afghani civilian casualties deserve some higher degree of condemnation than the number 1382?
October 30, 2009 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
A Clarification. The B'tselem report lists 9 Israelis who were killed by Palestinians during the conflict in Gaza. The four soldiers killed by friendly fire bring the Israeli casualties up to 13:
October 30, 2009 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Every mainstream Jewish organization in the United States and Israel has condemned the Goldstone report. But J Street, unlike every other Jewish organization, is held hostage by a base of support that is anti-Zionist and anti-Israel. And yet the group knows that its failure to condemn Goldstone leaves it vulnerable to the charge that it is not really a pro-Israel organization. So J Street finds itself in that vast space between condemn and embrace. This is the organization that the anti-Israel left describes as a progressive, and courageous, alternative to AIPAC.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/surprise_j_street_opposes_reso.asp
October 30, 2009 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
M.J writes:
As an American citizen, should you demand first that The House resolution should be re-written so that its purpose to condemn violence directed at civilians by both sides in Afghanistan?
October 30, 2009 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
the best that aipac can do is to push congress to push obama to veto the goldstone report in the UN security council. that is a foregone conclusion. but the he UN general assembly can then invoke General Assembly Resolution 377 A allowing it to bypass the UN security council. if it so chooses the general assembly can then refer the goldstone report to the hague. [link]
October 30, 2009 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, now coffee donuts time is over.
Time for J Street to get to work, helping liberate the Congress, spineless member by spineless member.
We need the names to blame, the names to shame, the names to thank, and the point by point documentation of the betrayal of America, chapter 1001.
Thanks in advance.
October 30, 2009 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Impossible. It's too late to save US from the Jew World Plot.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
The presumption is strong that the Protocols were issued, or reissued, at the First Zionist Congress held at Basle in 1897 under the presidency of the Father of Modern Zionism, the late Theodore Herzl.
There has been recently published a volume of Herzl's "Diaries," a translation of some passages which appeared in the JEWISH CHRONICLE of July 14, 1922. Herzl gives an account of his first visit to England in 1895, and his conversation with Colonel Goldsmid, a Jew brought up as a Christian, an officer in the English Army, and at heart a Jew Nationalist all the time. Goldsmid suggested to Herzl that the best way of expropriating the English aristocracy, and so destroying their power to protect the people of England against Jew domination, was to put excessive taxes on the land. Herzl thought this an excellent idea, and it is now to be found definitely embodied in Protocol VI!
The above extract from Herzl's DIARY is an extremely significant bit of evidence bearing on the existence of the Jew World Plot and authenticity of the Protocols, but any reader of intelligence will be able from his own knowledge of recent history and from his own experience to confirm the genuineness of every line of them, and it is in the light of this LIVING comment that all readers are invited to study Mr. Marsden's translation of this terribly inhuman document.
October 30, 2009 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You certainly qualify, "Anna", as the person on all of TPM most stupid enough to believe garbage such as the Protocols myth. And most ready to recycle such nonsense at a moment's notice. (Aren't you missed at some day care center somewhere?) This most of famous of all invented legends was written in fact by one of your fellow Russians. Pity all the Russian emigrants who moved to America to get away from fools such as you.
October 31, 2009 7:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's you who believes in the Jew World Plot.
You want to "liberate the Congress" from the Jew Dominance.
October 31, 2009 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
My main thought coming out of the J Street conference is that J Street has a huge problem on its hands. It's trying to win political influence and compete with AIPAC to speak for the center of American Jewry on the Middle East. Meanwhile, its most enthusiastic supporters have beliefs that are totally incompatible with this goal. J Street has played a delicate political game, sending different messages to different constituencies, but something is going to have to give.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/j-streets-choice
October 31, 2009 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
"We also found no evidence that mosques were used to store munitions. Those charges reflect Western perceptions in some quarters that Islam is a violent religion."
Apparently, they didn't look very hard":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zd55Zhj5gQ
If they completely missed even this, what else are they wrong about?
October 31, 2009 12:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
The hasbaristas have their opportunity to put up or shut up:
All the ginned up Ziocon propaganda is worth less than than the ink its printed with. Say whatever you want at TPM Cafe, but it's laughable that the cabal of nudniks on the internet or wherever really have any evidence that the Goldstone commision somehow overlooked. Really? Sounds just like the loons who claimed to have found Saddam's WMDs.
Spare us your whinging and send your evidence to the Goldstone commission if you think its really so persuasive.
October 31, 2009 2:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have a witness for you. His name's Goldstone.
‘If This Was a Court Of Law, There Would Have Been Nothing Proven.’
http://www.forward.com/articles/116269/
October 31, 2009 2:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Boris, you don't understand the legal process. (Another failure of Soviet School?)
Judge Goldstone has issued essentially an indictment. People have to be tried before any charges are "proven." Goldstone's report found evidence of war crimes. Without evidence, you cannot properly get an indictment. So to say that "nothing is proven" before trial is irrelevant to the merits of the case.
October 31, 2009 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see, Goldstone's report found evidence of war crimes by Hamas. When is the trial getting started?
October 31, 2009 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW, He said that in a Court Of Law nothing can be proven.
October 31, 2009 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great--since Israel has nothing to worry about in a court of law, then surely you all won't mind bringing this matter in front of the ICC.
November 1, 2009 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great--since US has nothing to worry about in a court of law, then surely you all won't mind bringing war crimes in Iraq and Afhanistan matter in front of the ICC.
November 1, 2009 12:20 AM | Reply | Permalink