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Day 2 at J Street: Young Gaza Man Describes the Horror of Occupation

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Between sessions at the amazing J Street conference, people mill around talking to friends and, sometimes, just a person standing near by.

I was lucky enough to find myself talking to a young man from Gaza, in Washington for the conference. He is not on the program. He is here to learn. And he is a remarkable person in every way.

Yusuf Bashir is 20. He's tall and handsome and, if I had to guess based on his looks, I would have taken him for a well-off American Jewish college kid.

He most certainly is not.

Yusuf is from Gaza, specifically from Deir el-Balah. Until Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ended the military (and settler) occupation of Gaza in 2005, Yusuf, his parents, and four siblings, lived in a house next to the Israeli settlement of Kfar Darom, right next to a military base.

In 2000, the Israeli army decided to seize the house and use it as a sentry post. The army had already destroyed or taken other houses in the neighborhood.

But Yusuf's father refused to move his family.

The Israeli army let them stay -- but moved in with the family. They installed a lookout and a machine gun nest on the roof. And soldiers took over the top floors of the house.

Here is Yusuf's description of life over the next five years (this section is from an article he wrote for the Seeds of Peace newsletter.

"We were not allowed on the second and the third floors of our house because the army told us that they were Area C where the Israeli military government runs everything and the Palestinians have no authority. The living room, where all seven of us had to stay at night, was Area B. We called it the jail. The bathroom, kitchen and bedrooms were Area B --where Palestinians administer themselves but Israel has security control. (Luckily they were not Area C ) My sister labelled the doors of the house. We had to get permission to go into the kitchen and a soldier would come with us if we had to go to the bathroom."

This situation lasted for five years.

But for Yusuf, just four.

On February 18, 2004, a United Nations team received permission to visit the family. They spent a few hours at the house and then left. Yusuf, a teenager, was excited to see them and sad to see them leave. He followed them out of the house and, while saying goodbye, he was shot by an Israeli soldier who was patrolling across the street (the shooter was not one of the soldiers who lived with the family).

"The bullet stopped near my spine," he recalls. .

"I crumpled to the ground. I was very sure it was my end and that I was dying. I even said the Shahadat, the words a Muslim says when he dies. But I did not die. In the hospital, I hoped that I would die because I was not able to move my legs."

Yusuf was taken to Tel Hashomer hospital in Tel Aviv. The doctors and nurses saved his life but told him he would never walk again because of the bullet's location.

The army apologized to Yusuf for crippling him. But the Tel Hashomer personnel, in Yusuf's words, "cared for me with such love. They were so ashamed of what the army did. And after seven months, I could walk although I can't play sports or do anything that could cause the bullet to move and cripple me forever. I'm in pain, but I walk. I'm better off than lots of Palestinian kids my age."

So what was Yusuf doing at J Street. "After I recovered and went back to Gaza, my friends said, 'now you must fight the Israelis.' But my father told me that God didn't save me so I can fight. He said that Israelis shot me but other Israelis saved me."

Yusuf is now in Boston, in college. He intends to return to Gaza after he graduates to work to improve "my country." Tragically, his father died a month ago and, due to Israeli restrictions on travel to and from Gaza, he could not return home for the funeral. He speaks of his father with tears in his eyes.

I asked him: how do you not hate?. He said, "Hate accomplishes nothing. My father taught me that to hate is the worst sin. Then Seeds of Peace found me and I went to their camp in Maine and met other kids from conflict areas being taught not to hate. Now I'm here at J Street."

Yusuf's story blew me away. I cannot imagine reacting like this. He was shot for no reason by Jews and yet he is here in Washington to work with Jews. I told him that his story gave me hope.

But an Israeli woman standing nearby, who listened to his story, said. "Hope? Yusuf is a lucky one. Yes, he was shot but he got out too. Most Palestinian children like him never get out. Israel has locked them into Gaza and thrown away the key. There are young men and women just like him, just as good, who will never have a moment of possibility. They are in a zoo. And they do not love us. They hate us, as I would hate them if the Palestinians did to us what we do to them."

So, I asked, what's the answer?

"The answer is right here. End the occupation. Free these Palestinian kids, and free my sons, one is already in the IDF, too. Otherwise, there will be so many more Yusufs and Yosefs and they aren't going to be as lucky as this boy."

Lucky? All things considered, I guess he is.


READ ABOUT SEEDS OF PEACE HERE. Without Seeds, and J Street, I never would have met Yusuf. And here is the original news story about Yusuf's shooting.


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J Street's campus branch drops pro-Israel slogan

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256557968276&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

What's next?

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A little context from the article:

Barr, secretary of the J Street U student board ... noted that the individual student chapters would be free to add "pro-Israel," "pro-Israel, pro-Palestine," or other wording that they felt would be effective on this issue, since "it's up to the individuals on campus to know their audience."

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J Street Executive Director Jeremy Ben-Ami said that when it came to his organization's work with the student groups, "If the way to engage the young part of our community is to give them space to work through their relationship with Israel, then we're going to do that. We're not going to shut them out, because the only way to keep them in the community is to give them the space to work that out."

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Ben-Ami described himself as "concerned but realistic" about the students' choice to leave out the pro-Israel piece of J Street's slogan.

He added, "Some in the community might not want to hear that this is where a lot of young people have come to, but we have to deal with people where they're at and address their concerns."


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Beautiful story, MJ.

Yusuf's father talked just like my father-in-law.

And you wonder why I go after the haters who post here......they just have no clue what it's like to be a Palestinian.

You, my friend, do.

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Au contraire, mythbuster. What's happening to the Palestinians happens in all wars, too all refugees. Were Israel to be destroyed there would be millions more just like Yusuf.

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Sigh.........Thanks for spoiling a beautiful moment.

As we like to say in Texas when someone basically farts in the middle of a polite conversation: "Why don't you eat the peanuts out of my shit."

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If you want beautiful moments you shouldn't come to this site...or any political site. But then I've always thought you were a snot-nosed, spoiled, idiotic asshole.

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Have a nice day!

(And I mean that in the California way.)

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"The answer is right here. End the occupation. What's the bunch of fools. The occupation in Gaza has ended. Stop trying to kill Jews.
The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
Stop teaching kids to kill Jews:
The bear puppet host, Nassur, of a Hamas children's TV program used different words for "slaughter" to describe how to rid Israel of Jews. First the bear explains that all Jews must be "erased from our land." Later in the conversation he adds, "We want to slaughter them, Saraa, so they will be expelled from our land." He repeats, "...We'll have to [do it] by slaughter." He first uses the Arabic expression for "slaughter," "Nidbah-hom," and later on uses the word "Shaht." The following is the transcript from the children's program Tomorrow's Pioneers: Nassur: "There won't be any Jews or Zionists, if Allah wills. They'll be erased." Saraa: "Chased away." Nassur: "And just like we will visit the Qaaba [in Mecca]... everyone will visit Jerusalem." [Seven-year old Palestinian child on phone tells how his father, a member of the Hamas Al-Qassam Brigades, "died as a Shahid (Martyr)."] Nassur to child on phone: "What do you want to do to the Jews who shot your father?" Child on phone: "I want to kill them." Saraa: "We don't want to do anything to them, just expel them from our land." Nassur: "We want to slaughter (Nidbah-hom) them, so they will be expelled from our land, right?" Saraa: "Yes. That's right. We will expel them from our land using all means." Nassur: "And if they don't want [to go] peacefully, by words or talking, we'll have to [do it] by slaughter." (Shaht) [Al-Aqsa (Hamas) TV, Sept. 22, 2009
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Stop teaching kids to kill Palestinians.

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It's a deal.
Let's Israel remove all puppet shows that teach Israeli children to "slaughter" Palestinians in order to rid Israel of Palestinians, and Hamas remove all puppet shows that teach Arab children to "slaughter" Jews in order to rid Israel of Jews.

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The only puppet shows that are endangered are the ones starring these collaborating clowns who the US is desperate to keep foisted on the Palestinians. See http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1123821.html

Remember what every favorite Wingnut's "philosopher" Ayn Rand said: "Evil requires the sanction of the victim."


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I guess you don't have a problem with that a Hamas children's TV show.

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Oh, I do. But I'm a tad more concerned with the 300+ Palestinian children recently murdered by those cowards in the IDF.

Want some peanuts?

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Do you concern with Hamas who started the extended rockets attack on Israel for the goal to produce 300+ dead Palestinian children to be used in the PR war against Israel?

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Sometimes I think your only regret is that it was only 300 dead Palestinian children.

You are an obscenity.

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You have outed him!

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I regret there were any children hurt, but the Hamas PR people in US do regret that the casualties were so light.

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Prove it or STFU.

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Prove what? Give me aother logical explanation for Hamas rocket attacks.

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You made a baseless assertion here:

I regret there were any children hurt, but the Hamas PR people in US do regret that the casualties were so light.

I demand you prove it, in no uncertain terms, from verifiable, non-involved sources.

Or are you as much of a repugnant moral coward as I think you are, celebrating the death of children?

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I'm not going to prove my feeling.
The locic is my prove of the Hamas goals. So far nobody offered a better explanation for Hamas rocket attacks.

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Spoken like the coward you have proven yourself to be. Your "feeling"? Like a little cheese with that whine?

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I believe they do not like occupation.

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There is no occupation in Gaza, but there is an occupation in WB. So, please explain agaiin, why they shoot from Gaza?

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Sophistry. Israel's occupation of Gaza did not end with the withdrawal of its soldiers and settlers in 2005. Israel reserves the right to launch incursions into Gaza at will. Israel still controls Gaza's borders, airspace, territorial waters, telecommunications, electricity, water and sewage networks. Whether the IDF is positioned inside or outside Gaza, they remain in control, making Israel, according to The Hague Regulations, an occupying power.

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See at the bottom

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Face it, "Anna" - when you throw people off their land, wreck their fields and orchards, demolish their houses, destroy their schools, take their water, and shoot their children down in the streets, expecting them not to hate you (and act on that well-earned hatred) is downright foolish.

Ethnic cleansing, which is what Israel is practicing on the West bank and in Gaza, is a crime against humanity, and no amount of racist blather by you or anyone else is going to rationalize it away.

End of story.

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People in Gaza must decide if they want to fight or they want peace. It's up to them.

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Again with the non-answers. It's up to them that IDF troops shoot their kids in the street for no reason? It's up to them?

You are a blight upon humanity.

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Of course it's them to decide if "IDF troops shoot their kids in the street"
Don't shoot rockets in Israel. Hamas decided to shoot rockets in Israel to cause
"IDF troops shoot their kids in the street".

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Go there and tell them that. See how far it gets you, you craven piece of scum.

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Stop arguing against the laws of human nature. As long as Gaze is shooting its useless rockets into Israel and teaching hatred to children, Israel will perceive Gaza as a threat and refuse to give it the type of control you are demanding for them. No sane nation arms its enemies.

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You have left me in tears.

If this child can strive to seek peace, through love, compassion and respect, for those who hurt and then healed him. Then surely we adults can raise him on our shoulders, and one by one, build the bridge to peace.

As Mother Teresa said '...If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other...'

Let us begin anew this journey now.

assalamu alaikum , peace be upon you.

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To you too.

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We adults can't raise him on our shoulders, and one by one, build the bridge to peace because
Hamas needs Palestinians children to die, so that their dead bodies be used in the PR war against Israel by people like M.J. Rosenberg

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Do you have a personality disorder? If not, I have some peanuts for you....

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I'm sorry I forgot about you.
Hamas needs Palestinians children to die, so that their dead bodies be used in the PR war against Israel by people like M.J. Rosenberg and mythbuster. You do like when Palestinian children are being killed. If they continue to live, they sanction the Evil Jewish state.

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Peanuts?

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Seeds of hope can inspire, and they can one day grow into fruits of peace. But the gardeners tending them must remain vigilant, and persistent. And not neglect the orchard when hailstorms strike.

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from one description, j-street sounds like a group talk-therapy session for american jews working out their guilt about what israel is doing.

how does j-street propose to move the peace process forward? all i have seen so far is that ben-ami wants obama to utter magical abracadabra words behind closed doors to netanyahu. he does not support applying any kind leverage on israel from the USA. good luck with that.

The main tedium of the conference is having to listen to Jews handwringing about Israel at panel after panel. J Street feels at times like a halfway house for ardent Zionists. They’ve been hooked on Zionism for years and they come here to handwring in a comfortable space. I find this stuff boring and upsetting too. It’s like, how long do the Palestinians have to wait for you to figure out how you feel about the Jewish boot being on their necks? I thought you were the smartest people in the world. [ Phil Weiss ]

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I think you are underestimating the magic of President Obama. He believes that by re-emphasizing that the alliance with Israel is "unbreakable," he will perforce make a hard-nosed politician like Netanyahu (whose popularity actually has increased since he took Obama's balls) actually give up land. OBama is The One.

For you skeptics, you should know this form of negotiation works. For example, I frequently walk into my neigborhood grocery store and announce: "I must buy those apples. I cannot leave here without the apples. I will continue to shop here regardless of what you do. Now will you cut the price?"

Result?

Same as Obama's negotations with Israel.

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OPEN LETTER TO THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT

Did you order the killing of the 900 civilians, in Gaza, in January, in self-defense or did you kill them to save others?

Did you kill these non-combatants in order to terrorize the civilian population?

Were you aware that to kill civilians, except in self-defense, is a war crime?

Did your troops use banned white phosphorus as a chemical weapon to injure and kill?

If your soldiers are alleged by an independent enquiry to be guilty of war crimes,will they be handed over voluntarily to the ICC for trial?

In which event, will Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert, the ministers directly responsible, be voluntarily be handed over to the authorities in The Hague, or will it be left to other governments to arrest them ?

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OPEN LETTER TO THE American GOVERNMENT

Did you order the killing of the tens thousands civilians, in Iraq and Afghanist in self-defense or did you kill them to save others?

Did you kill these non-combatants in order to terrorize the civilian population?

Were you aware that to kill civilians, except in self-defense, is a war crime?

Did your troops use banned white phosphorus as a chemical weapon to injure and kill?

If your soldiers are alleged by an independent enquiry to be guilty of war crimes,will they be handed over voluntarily to the ICC for trial?

In which event, will Bush, Obama Biden and Gates the leaders directly responsible, be voluntarily be handed over to the authorities in The Hague, or will it be left to other governments to arrest them ?

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OPEN LETTER TO ANNA:

You are a childish pest.
A disgrace to Israel.
Not a real American.
You do not belong on a comment page where adults are busy discussing real issues.
You do not need peanuts, you have one for a brain already.
You need learn how to once in a while close your gaping abyss of a mouth leading to the even greater emptyness where a brain should be, not a peanut.
If you dare copy so much as one line of this message the righteous God of all Jews and all Civilization and Life, the Universe and Everything and the Number 42 will swoop down and whisk you back to the most rotten tobacco-smoke-filled hole of Russia.

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OPEN LETTER TO PTroub,

You are a fool.

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OPEN LETTER TO THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT

Did you order the killing of the thousands civilians, in Iraq and Afghanist in self-defense or did you kill them to save others?

Did you kill these non-combatants in order to terrorize the civilian population?

Were you aware that to kill civilians, except in self-defense, is a war crime?

Did your troops use banned white phosphorus as a chemical weapon to injure and kill?

If your soldiers are alleged by an independent enquiry to be guilty of war crimes,will they be handed over voluntarily to the ICC for trial?

In which event, will Tony" Blair and Gordon Brown the leaders directly responsible, be voluntarily be handed over to the authorities in The Hague, or will it be left to other governments to arrest them ?

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"If your soldiers are alleged by an independent enquiry to be guilty of war crimes,will they be handed over voluntarily to the ICC for trial?"

Just curious, Colindale. I presume that you are an American. If American troops were alleged by an independent inquiry to be found guilty of war crimes, would the US turn them over? Can you name ANY nations on the planet that would do that?

And why do you focus on the alleged Israeli war crimes? Haven't you heard of the Goldstone Report? It specifically accuses Hamas of committing war crimes. Why don't you ask the Palestinians if they would be willing to turn over their war criminals for trial? Do you really think they would?

For what it's worth, civilians are always the ones most commonly killed in war. In every war in human history, or pretty much. That's the tragedy of war. Did the Palestinians consider this when they began their war in 1948, in blatant defiance of the UN, the global community and international law? If the Palestinians don't care about their civilians, is it really realistic to expect other nations to do so?

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"Did the Palestinians consider this when they began their war in 1948, in blatant defiance of the UN, the global community and international law?"

No, they didn't. Probably many of them were too busy trying to collect them belongings while the Irgun and Haganah was ethnically cleansing them from their homes.

You really have a monopoly on stupid.

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No they were too busy trying to kill Jews.

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Peanuts?

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@ mikep

Did Hamas kill 900 civilians including 320 children and 100 women, in the Israeli attack in January?

Did Hamas kill ANY civilians in the Israeli attack in January?

Can you please quote the figures from the Goldstone report?

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Did Taliban any American civilians in 2009?

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Tasty, tasty peanuts....

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Dry roasted?

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Thank you MJ & TPM

the life story of Yusuf Bashir, his family and others like him deserve and should be heard by all american citizens in whose name american power is being used in the Israel/Palestine conflict.

if your country's foreign policy, tax dollars and weapons exports have a direct influence on the life and death of fellow humans somewhere else, as a citizen, you should have the minimal amount of decency of listening to what the directly affected have to say.

a talk with Yusuf Bashir on Larry King or Oprah or Charlie Rose or Fareed Zakaria or George Stephanopoulos or Face the Nation etc.

just once, one single time the same platform that american neocons have been able to use for years every week in TV & print

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Why don't we start with Iraqi and Afgani children first?

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just once a young civilians in depth testimony from Gaza, Fallujah, Kandahar,Mogadishu and Sederot on a prominent american television platform

a fair hearing, all americans should be able to support that

no?

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Sure

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Anna, you hurt your own cause by posting so much. You're not the only abuser - mythbuster and PTroub as just as bad - but the former is an idiot while the latter is generally far more substantive than you in his posts (although pretty hate-filled).

Reading this thread is tough. Most of the ripostes are at a teenage level.

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annaA's faulty logic assumes that because one criticizes the atrocities committed by israel that one supports or turns a blind eye to what the usa is doing in afghanistan or iraq or pakistan. hence his compulsive comparisons to prove a faulty point. what is wrong is wrong, whether committed by israel, the usa, the UK, or martians. atrocities are being committed by all three. don't know about the martians.

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It's not an assumption. It's the fact that overall
so called "atrocities committed by israel" are the only atrocities that so called world community pay attention to.

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Thank you, MJ, for the introduction to Seeds of Peace. It is a remarkable organization, especially when compared to the efforts of Horowitz and Pipes with their Campus Watch stupidities.

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This is a great story. Thank you so much, MJ.

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Israel's occupation of Gaza did not end with the withdrawal of its soldiers and settlers in 2005. Israel reserves the right to launch incursions into Gaza at will. Israel still controls Gaza's borders, airspace, territorial waters, telecommunications, electricity, water and sewage networks. Whether the IDF is positioned inside or outside Gaza, they remain in control, making Israel, according to The Hague Regulations, an occupying power.
First, Egypt is as much occupying power as Israel. Second, it doesn't matter. If the government of Gaza, wants to fight with Israel, they'll get a fight. If they decide to leave Israel alone, Israel will leave Gaza alone. Israel doesn't need anything from Gaza.
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Since, in your opinion, "Egypt is as much occupying power as Israel," I guess I've made my point; you agree that Gaza is occupied territory.

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The question is Gaza is occupied by whom?
The conditions in Gaza is a Hamas choice. In a way Gaza is occupied by Hamas.

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MJ: Given that the whole purpose of this blog is intended as an open forum for the (intelligent) discussion of ideas, thoughts and principles from all sides of the political/ religious spectrum - does it not negate that whole intention by allowing a member/paid subscriber of the Israeli Foreign Ministry to use this blog, with your apparent approval, as a free 24/7 pulpit to disseminate pro-Israeli propaganda?

Would appear, to many of us around the world, to be making this blog uninteresting and valueless.

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who. im confused.

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MJ: Given that the whole purpose of this blog is intended as an open forum for the (intelligent) discussion of ideas, thoughts and principles from all sides of the political/ religious spectrum - does it not negate that whole intention by allowing a member/paid subscriber of the Hamas Propaganda Ministry to use this blog, with your apparent approval, as a free 24/7 pulpit to disseminate anti-Israeli propaganda?

Would appear, to many of us around the world, to be making this blog uninteresting and valueless.

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I don't know the identity of the posters. Surely Anna and Spider are not employees of the foreign ministry (I mean, the foreign ministry doesn't hire people like that). But you may know something I don't.

I have no control over who posts here. I think Spider and Anna degrade the cafe. If you want to do something, write to "management" not me.

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AnnaA and The Insect actually help your cause.

Contrast. That is key.

In every one of my jury trials, I make the contrast.

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Are you saying you're a lawyer?

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Do you want my social security number too?

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I didn't ask you for your occupation. You volunteered it - "in every one of my jury trials". I'm asking for a clarification.

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It's interesting that according to MJ, Jew haters don't degrade the cafe.

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It's interesting that according to AnnaA, Palestinian haters don't degrade the cafe.

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I'm not complaining about degrading the cafe, you are.

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Interest soon dissipates when any blog is seen to be taken-over by the mouth-piece of a known propaganda source, on a continuous basis.

There is a wealth of difference between a genuine discussion of diverse views and an obvious daily dissemination of political propaganda that propounds the foreign policy of a specific state.

Israel's hasbarah department employs bloggers to monitor any site that is often critical of Israel, such as this one, in order to refute, deny and generally rubbish any and every view that is contrary to that of the Israeli government agenda.

That activity could be considered legit, in the general scheme of things - but in this case, the one overt, hasbarah monitor has effectively hijacked the site and made any reasonable discussion, impossible. Interested parties will, as a result, go to other forums, the moderators of which will reject such spoiling behavior.

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Interest soon dissipates when any blog is seen to be taken-over by the mouth-piece of a known propaganda source, on a continuous basis.

There is a wealth of difference between a genuine discussion of diverse views and an obvious daily dissemination of political propaganda that propounds the foreign policy of a specific state.

Hamas PR department employs bloggers to monitor any site that is not hateful of Israel, in order to refute, deny and generally rubbish any and every view that is contrary to that of the Hamas government agenda.

That activity could be considered legit, in the general scheme of things - but in this case, the one overt, Hamas monitor has effectively hijacked the site and made any reasonable discussion, impossible. Interested parties will, as a result, go to other forums, the moderators of which will reject such spoiling behavior.

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Let's see some proof of your unfounded assertion, tranny. Meanwhile, the Israeli hasbara tool Megaphone is well enough known to have its own Wikipedia entry:

The Megaphone desktop tool is a Windows "action alert" tool developed by Give Israel Your United Support (GIYUS) and distributed by World Union of Jewish Students, World Jewish Congress, The Jewish Agency for Israel, World Zionist Organization, StandWithUs, Hasbara fellowships, HonestReporting, and other pro-Israel public relations, media watchdog, or activism organizations. The tool delivers real-time alerts about key articles, videos, blogs, and surveys related to Israel or the Arab-Israeli conflict, especially those perceived by GIYUS to be highly critical of Israel, so that users can vote or add comments expressing their support of Israel. The tool was released in July during the 2006 Lebanon War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool

Too bad it can't do anything about your gnatlike intellect, though.

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There is a wealth of difference between a genuine discussion of diverse views and an obvious daily dissemination of political propaganda that propounds the foreign policy of a specific state

If there was there would be a lot less propaganda, a lot fewer lawyers, and no intractable free speech issues. Your problem is that Anna, annoying as she is, has good responses to all your "propaganda" and you don't like it.

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channeling my inner AnnaA:

"Your problem is that MJ, annoying as he is, has good responses to all your "propaganda" and you don't like it."

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Ah, but I'm not the one complaining, am I?

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well, the point of AnnaA is not to really say something but just to be a "clever" play on re-arranging the words of others.

well, the point of BluePearl is not to really say something but just to be a "clever" play on re-arranging the words of others.

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Anna rearranges words to show that an argument works both ways, cuts both ways. It's legitimate.

There are posts and posters which have no substance. Ignoring them is the best strategy. That you and Grouch and mythbuster and PTroub and several others cannot ignore Anna gives the lie to your assertions.

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echolalia

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here is annaA's form of argumentation in a nutshell:

Echolalia Contraria

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LOL. AnnaA thinks he's rebutting our arguments. He's like the Black Knight on the bridge in "The Holy Grail" who exclaims--after his arms and legs have been cut off--:

"Okay. We'll call it a draw."

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LOL. mythbuster thinks she's rebutting our arguments. He's like the Black Knight on the bridge in "The Holy Grail" who exclaims--after his arms and legs have been cut off--:

"Okay. We'll call it a draw."

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Did you cut and paste my response and then substitute a few words?

Aren't you clever!

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And oh so very original. Generaly does it not more than 20 times per page.

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He has no responses at all.

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Anna A:

Ах! Вы позор!
A shanda to the goyim
You are an embarassment to the Jewish Community.

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Seriously. Maybe AnnaA actually works for Hamas.

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Works for Hamas? AnnaA can barely work a keyboard.

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Spadizzly,

Ах! Вы позор!

You are an embarassment to the humankind

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Arachnid:

So you want some more embarrassments?

How about Bernstein, Cohen, Epstein, Kagan, Kagan, Kagan, Kristol, Libby, Rosen, Shulsky, Wolfowitz, and Zakheim.

Knock yourself out.

http://newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

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AnnaA might be wrong, rude, and annoying but she's also passionate in her defense of Israel and the justice of its cause. You're just plain wrong about her and disgustingly self-righteous about it.

Ben David - convincingly - portrays Rosenberg as a selfish chickenshit. A disgrace.

As for as I can tell only Rumsfeld and Armitage among the signatories of the PNAC served in the military in dangerous situations. The rest are open to the charge of being chickenhawks. Chickenhawks and chickenshits are the same creature wearing a different mask. So you could be right about them.

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Here is what counts, folks, more than scoring points against babbling babies here. Thank instead the pro-American members of Congress:


J Street's attendance list:

1. Rep. Jason Altmire (PA-04)
2. Rep. Brian Baird (WA-03)
3. Sen. Mark Begich (D-AK)
4. Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO)
5. Rep. Howard Berman (CA-28)
6. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
7. Rep. Lois Capps (CA-23)
8. Rep. Judy Chu (CA-32)
9. Rep. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)
10. Rep. Steve Cohen (TN-09)
11. Rep. John Conyers (MI-14)
12. Rep. Susan Davis (CA-53)
13. Rep. Bill Delahunt (MA-10)
14. Rep. Donna Edwards (MD-04)
15. Rep. Keith Ellison (MN-05)
16. Rep. Bob Filner (CA-51)
17. Rep. Charlie Gonzalez (TX-20)
18. Rep. John Hall (NY-19)
19. Rep. Deborah Halvorson (IL-11)
20. Rep. Rush Holt (NJ-12)
21. Rep. Mary Jo Kilroy (OH-15)
22. Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
23. Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI)
24. Rep. Suzanne Kosmas (FL-24)
25. Rep. Barbara Lee (CA-09)
26. Rep. David Loebsack (IA-02)
27. Rep. Betsy Markey (CO-04)
28. Rep. Eric Massa (NY-29)
29. Rep. Betty McCollum (MN-04)
30. Rep. Jim Moran (VA-08)
31. Rep. Scott Murphy (NY-20)
32. Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
33. Rep. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
34. Rep. John Olver (MA-01)
35. Rep. Tom Perriello (VA-05)
36. Rep. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)
37. Rep. Jared Polis (CO-02)
38. Rep. Jackie Speier CA-12)
39. Rep. Paul Tonko (NY-21)
40. Sen. Tom Udall (D-NM)
41. Rep. Chris Van Hollen (MD-08)
42. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL-20)
43. Rep. Peter Welch (VT)
44. Rep. John Yarmuth (KY-03)

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