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Winning the Peace

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With all the Bloviators pulling out their "Afghanistan=Vietnam" analogies, Joshua Kurlantzick writes in the Washington Post, that we should only be so lucky.

76 percent of Vietnamese say U.S. influence in Asia is positive, according to a 2008 study by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs -- a greater percentage than in Japan, China, South Korea or Indonesia. When President Bill Clinton visited Vietnam in 2000, citizens greeted him like a rock star, mobbing him whenever he stepped out in public. Two-way trade now surpasses $15 billion annually, compared with virtually nothing in 1995, the year the two countries normalized diplomatic ties. American companies have descended upon Vietnam, and last year foreign direct investment in the country tripled compared with 2007.

Ever since President McKinley sent a declaration of War against Spain to Congress in April of 1898, the Washington Establishment has equated American influence with our military power. But as Intel builds new fab plants in Vietnam, we must understand that our real influence stems from our financial and cultural power. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan erode both of those sources of soft power.


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Some Questions usually skipped in discussions of our Afghan war :

1.) We went there eight years ago to capture or kill a Certain Someone ... what happened to that idea ?

2.) Are the Afghan people alarmed by the foreigners who kill civilians, are apostates, eat pork, drink alcohol, have women soldiers, gamble, bring prostitution ... ? Do we disgust them ?

3.) If we are not trying to capture or kill the people who attacked us, what are we doing ? Are we just looking to fight anyone who wants to fight us ?

If we can completely defeat an enemy we do not need to understand his thinking - we can just force him to do what we say.

If we cannot manage to crush the enemy we have to consider how the enemy thinks and what his motives are. So far the Americans are not interested in the thinking of the enemy ... but are starting to see that an absolute victory is not going to happen.

Maybe we need some news ideas or need to discuss out loud some of the things that are now unmentionable.

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Re: Comparisons with VietNam.

Please remember that it was only after the USA declared defeat in VietNam that conditions became ripe for mutual cooperation and advancement.
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Re: Comparisons with VietNam.

Please remember that it was only after the USA declared defeat in VietNam that conditions became ripe for mutual cooperation and advancement.
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You are correct about the folly of imperialism: Both Leninists and Anglo-American Imperialists thought it was economically important, indeed, necessary back in the day. Otto v. Bismarck knew better. In any case, well before 1995 every economic historian I know of concluded that Bismarck was right, McKinley and Lenin were wrong.

The closest thing to an exception to that rule was the brief but decisive military importance of petroleum for the Anglo-American and Japanese navies as well as for the US-USSR armies and air-forces in WWII. That obsession continued through Vietnam, not so much in Vietnam -- which has litte or no oil -- but in wars waged at the same time, with little notice, in Indonesia and Biafra. I do not think they had any bearing on the outcome of the Vietnam war or of the Cold War. But, that was not the thinking of Anglo-America, China, or the Soviet Union at the time.

Today, matters in Afghanistan and its environs, China, Russia, Iran, India, and Pakistan should be considered -- as they are being considered by this administration -- in terms of Fourth Generation Warfare generally and the possibility on nuclear terrorism or blackmail in various combinations of those two countries, plus the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia.

Yes, there is something in ancient "Just War" theory and today's SPRI doctrine of "muscular" humanitarian "peace operations" that, I hope, undergirds the Obama phrase "necessary war". But, that phrase is just the beginning of serious thought, not a conclusion to what will be, I also hope, a careful and deep dialog within the administration over the way ahead, which is to say, the exact means of de-escalation and withdrawal from Afghanistan. The "options" -- a silly way to think of war -- are "fast" and "slow".

I see no reason the public at large should not be privy to those deliberations.

There are tactical and operational secrets involved in "population-centric counter-insurgency". But, there is nothing strategically secret about it, nothing to keep from al-Q'aida involving budgets or timetables, say, and real danger in keeping the voters in the dark or out of the loop.

Here is a problem that does not go away:

The cost of continuing operations in blood and money is exquisitely measurable, even predictable. The operational cost of withdrawing again, for the third time, or of falling back on naval bombardment are equally measurable or predictable, ... but not the consequences of doing so, consequences which might reasonably include all sorts of very costly scenarios, including nuclear terrorism or blackmail. There are no such surprises in "muddling through", since escalation is off the table. The only question is when we tire of it.

We will tire quickly if the President is lying to us or, worse, to himself. We will be patient and supportive of him otherwise. President Obama is a Lincolnesque War President.

So, this is no time for glib projections of cost/benefit ratios -- another Vietnam-era intellectual conceit that should go away.

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There is only one difference between our involvements in Afghanistan and Vietnam: Because there is no "revolutionary" political element on which the Western Left can hang its hat, there is no antiwar opposition to the war in Afghanistan. Because the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong were Marxists, there was a strong, organized and very well-funded opposition 40 years ago. Added to the tepid antiwar response currently, there is the general deterioration of the influence of the Left, along with that of Marx.

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Close, but no cigar, Curt. The war in Afghanistan resembles Vietnam in one and only one way. We are supporting a hopelessly corrupt government that has literally no chance of lasting two months on its own without American kids standing in harm's way to prop it up.

The tepid response of the left is due both to its morbidity and the fact that it was at one point, before Bush and Cheney decided Afghanistan was best ignored in favor of invading Iraq, a seemingly worthy cause in terms of both retaliation for 9/11 and pursuit of those who orchestrated and abetted the original attack.

That, and a decided inability of said left to focus on it as a singular goal, preferring instead to bring every cause it deems worth pursuing to any public action, thus diluting any worthwhile message to the point of irrelevance.

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...A decided inability of said left to focus on it as a singular goal, preferring instead to bring every cause it deems worth pursuing to any public action, thus diluting any worthwhile message to the point of irrelevance.

Well put, TOG. But somehow I think there would be more energy from traditional sectors of dissent if the Pashtun were Maoists. That the left has acted in the past exclusively to front its specific revolutionary program, and conform response on every issue to advance its agenda, is made plain by its silence today. If it doesn't have a dog in the fight, it's not around. Another issue of neglect: Africa. It seems when colonialism disappeared, so did progressive interest; it has no answers for the monumental problems facing that continent. There seems no antiwar effort not crippled by allegiance to a dead dogma the world has left behind.

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Great, Let's use the successful VietNam model. Declare defeat, get out, allow the Afghans to settle thier disputes without the USA's "influence", and after about ten (10) years, become trading partners and friends.

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