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John Bolton: Israel Should Nuke Iran!

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The neocons are ratcheting it up a few notches. All the way to nuclear war.

Here is what former ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, said in Chicago on Tuesday.

"Negotiations have failed, and so too have sanctions...So we're at a very unhappy point -- a very unhappy point -- where unless Israel is prepared to use nuclear weapons against Iran's program, Iran will have nuclear weapons in the very near future," he said.

In other words, the way to avert the danger of a nuclear attack is to launch a nuclear attack.

Read this from Daniel Luban at Inter Press Service.

And know this. John Bolton is no outlier. Like Feith, Perle, Kristol and Krauthammer, he is at the heart and soul of neoconservatism.

Give him credit. He says what neocons think. It's war they want, even nuclear. Anything to stop nuclear proliferation!

Will Bolton get his war? Not likely. But Luban explains what he's really up to. "It is nothing new for Bolton and his neoconservative allies to threaten an Israeli strike against Iran. But Bolton's use of the "n-word" is, I believe, new for him, and marks a significant rhetorical escalation from the hawks. An Israeli strike, nuclear or otherwise, without U.S. permission remains unlikely. But as it often the case, I suspect that Bolton's intention is less to give an accurate description of reality than it is to stake out positions extreme enough to shift the boundaries of debate as a whole to the right."

In other words, nuclear war is only Bolton's dream -- something to hope for but not really expect to get.

Crossposted at Media Matters Action Network


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Obama wins the Peace Prize - Bolton gets the War Prize (and an even lower place in hell).

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There is, amongst us, an "anti-world" where the likes of John Bolton dwell. Why does this fool still matter? He's quoted, he's sought out for sober analysis, and as Jim Lobe points out, he'll appear with American Torquemada John Yoo, not in a defendants' dock where they belong, but at some AEI vino and cheeseball roundtable. Why is he still here?

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Bolton is a danger to humanity, as is anyone who recommends the use of nuclear weapons and ignores the terrible consequences of mass death, mutilation and radiation-induced cancer, in possibly thousands of innocent people far from the original strike. Sometimes as far away as another country and another continent.

The radiation fallout from Chernobyl reached Scotland, in the north of Britain and caused dangerous conditions that affected the food chain, many thousands of miles from ground zero, at the Russian power station where the accident occurred.

People such as Bolton should be confined to a specially located place designed for irresponsible warmongers, and their families, who wish to bomb other people with WMD, in their alleged wonderful panacea that will bring world peace. It is crap, not ordinary crap but the kind of crap that contaminates us all, if it is allowed.

Bolton is a throwback to McCarthy - an idiosyncratic, anachronistic, misguided, political 'has been' who still craves the limelight and produces ever more devious machinations in order to get himself there.

God help us from old men with moustaches.

Such men are dangerous.

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Actually, God help us from *crazy* old neocons with moustaches and bad hairpieces.

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Luckily this madman has no real power & someone should knock down his dais so he can no longer spew his hateful, dangerous rhetoric.

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Wow. Just...I cant believe it even from him.

This is a personality disorder.

If Israel is kind of painting itself into a corner with settlements, what do you think might happen if they became the second nation in the world to use nuclear weapons?

As MJ often says, those who purport to be zealous defenders of Israel propose actions that might well destroy it.

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Hey King, all thinking folks know, it's the destruction of Israel that brings the rapture to fruition...Oh, wait a minute. Maybe we could get them all to jump off a cliff together. Then they could experience their rapture and the sane folks could get on with making the world a peaceful place to live... hmmmm: I know. That's wishful thinking too!

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Exactly! Prior to WWI there was a group in the Kaiser's army and government that believed that Germany should go ahead and have a war in 1914. Otherwise, so their logic went, Germany's enemies might be too powerful by, say the 1920's for the Reich to previal. This is precisely the attitude of Bolton and the neocons re. Israel. Attack now before your enemies become too powerful to stop. Unfortunately, we are talking nuclear options nowadays.

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Didn't work out that well for the Kaiser either. Do these people ever read history?

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Yes, of course, Israel should use nukes to keep the Middle East safe from nukes.

Makes all the sense in the world if you're immune to things like logic.

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It's irony that they're best shielded against, otherwise they wouldn't keep arguing that the best policy for Israel is to go Nazi. With friends like these, who needs enemies?

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Words fail.

Forger for the moment Iran's significant ballistic missile and submarine capabilities, just imagine the Revolutinary Guard given a green light and a billion dollars to fund and organize a campaign of suicide bombers against Israel and world Jewry generally. We have already seen an embassy bombing in Soj America and right here in Seattledeadly attack on a Jewish charity. Listen to Bolton and every synagogue and campus Chabad House in the world turns into a active soft target, every institution from hospital to university with the label 'Jewish' is infinitely more at risk than it is today.

There is no such thing as a surgical nuclear strike and both the newly revealed nuclear site and the main Iranian facility at Natanz are disturbingly close to the holy city of Qom, let the wind be blowing the wrong way and we radiate the top leadership of world Shi'ia. Somehow I don't want to speculate about the tone of the Fatwas from the Ayatollahs.

At this point Bolton is more an existential threat to world Jewry than Mr. I'm A Dinner Jacket could ever be.

Just an unrelated thought. Vicious dogs get muzzled. Mad dogs get put down. Give Bolton the benefit of the doubt and buy him a muzzle.

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Since Shi'a doctrine apparently condemns suicide and since Iran is something like 90% Shi'a, even considering the Iranian government issuing orders for multiple suicide bombers to strike is risible. That doesn't mean Iranians won't risk their lives in combat, but they won't be setting off with suicide foremost in their minds.

Personally, I think Bolton is just trying to nail down that war criminal conviction he's managed to dodge so far. Just think of it as unfinished business.

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With all respect, that is not what Bolton is advocating. He seems to be stating the seriousness of the situation and the lack of alternatives and options in dealing with Iran. I think that he is overlooking many options that President Obama has and may use. It is not as dire as he suggests, but it will become so. Iran has a very dangerous regime, and is a danger not only to Israel but also to the rest of the Middle East and to the rest of the world. They should not be allowed to obtain and use nuclear weapons. The US has nuclear weapons, Israel has them, and so do many other countries, but these countries are not threatening other countries with total destruction. I have friends in Iran and I can assure you that this is not the goal of the average Iranian. The good Iranian people are entirely different from the crazy government in Iran with their hateful rhetoric and dangerous philosophy. It is important to separate the people of a country from the governments of them. I believe that Iran must be stopped before they obtain more military might with the assistance of Russia.

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Every premise of your argument is wrong. Iran is threat to Zionist-Occupied Palestine and the Medieval Saudi Monarchy. It is also a threat to Western military forces who think this is still the 19th Century where thieving, pillaging Colonial powers get to rape the Earth. You might have a soft spot for Gunboat Diplomacy. I do not.

Iran is absolutely not a threat to America. Iran is a threat to Western Hegemony. Of course, comparing America to Western Imperialism is like comparing Christianity to Pat Robertson. Maybe you don't get the distinction. But others do.

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Iran/Persia attacked Greece. Twice! Only twenty-six hundred years ago. Haven't been too aggressive in the near three millennia since but heck you never know! Bombs away!

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Barack Husain Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize on Monday..
Meets with his War COUNCEL on Wednesday to send a few thousand troops into battle..
And if things go as prescribed, will blow Iran off the face of the earth on Friday...

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when will you learn how to spell?

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"Iran has a very dangerous regime..."

It is not like they recently killed some 1000+ hapless folks to get a good cheer. Or had someone as insane as Bolton on government payroll.

"... hateful rhetoric and dangerous philosophy..."

more dangerous than Bolton's? Ah, Bolton is advocating using nukes for GOOD REASONS, and they ... "threaten other countries with total destruction". Quotes, please? And more fresh that very recent threats of other countries in the region against Iran (yeah, "other countries" are pluralis maiestatis, I guess).

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Of course the response from the 'reasonable' person in the room (at The American Enterprise Institute meeting he is going to speak at soon) is that Mr. Bolton is recommending overkill and that conventional weponry would be quite adequate, bla, bla and we are off to the races debating the most reasonable military action that will lead to Armageden. And that of course is the real objective.
John Bolton is barking mad but that doesn't seem to be unusual in rightwing circles these days.

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Bolton is an arrogant chickenhawk with a long career of ticking people off while accomplishing absolute zilch. It is an utter disgrace to have such a person anywhere near the corridors of international diplomacy and the attempt to make him a permanent UN ambassador represents one of the rare occasions when Congressional Democrats managed to locate backbones in their bodies.

This latest nonsense about a first strike (does this rude buffoon think we have forgotten than Israel never talks about nukes except to say that it will not be the first to use them in the Mideast?) sounds like a paid political advertisement for Ahmadinejad, except Bolton already has a job being a hack for international arms proliferater. These outrageous remarks qualify him for a one way ticket to West Pakistan. If he actually believes in anything other than his own rudeness he can show it there.

Given his demonstrated cowardice, Persona Non Grata status may be all the civilized world can do for the time being.

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Thought experiment: Imagine world reaction if Iranian former ambassador to UN went on Iranian television and discussed preemptive nuclear strike.

Remember Bolton has held many positions of great responsibility in the US govenment. Think about what a creature like him says about us.

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Well, I could only suggest that it says less about the majority of US voters who have, albeit only recently, most deservedly booted Bolton's party out of many of the public offices they had disgraced, than about the minority, most of whom seem to remain stupifyingly blind to how badly their support has been exploited and is being perverted.

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Although there is a virtually consensus here re the abject lack of understanding of international affairs by the retired Mr Bolton, we may be in danger of not remembering that he is merely a mouthpiece for the money men and the arms dealers.

They are the ones that need exposing and the source of their gains brought into the light of public scrutiny.

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Absolutely. Let the exposing proceed.

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Can't we all just intervene somehow and have Mr. Bolton committed to a psychiatric institution for the criminally insane?

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No John,

you and your cohorts should be rounded up and put in some penitentiary for the mentally insane where you can all pretend to have all of the money, power, and be the most chosen by God people in the universe and pretend to blow each other up in order to be THE number one. We'll just keep you in straight jackets so you can't really hurt anyone.

That would be a huge step toward world peace.

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Hey MJ, what happened to Wexler????????

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Great question!

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Seems to me that since Israel is the one that has the nuclear weapons that THEY are the ones who should be nuked, not Iran. After all, if a nuclear war is needed to stop a nuclear war, doesn't it make more sense to attack the ones WITH nuclear weapons, not those without.

Before anyone gets too upset, how is this hypothesis any different from Bolton's? And it serves the opposite purpose, "shift the boundaries" but this time to the left.

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I guess the US overlooked that point in 1945.

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If you want to test whether Bolton's really an "outlier" or at the "heart and soul of neoconservatism," pay close attention:

"noo-klee-ur" -Outlier

"noo-kyoo-lur" --Definitely at the heart and soul.

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While a nuclear Iran would be disturbing for the US, it is not a reality that could not be contained and the US has the capacity to eliminate Iran if that country chose to use nuclear weapons.

Israel can have a different view, but the truth is, short of using its own nuclear weapons against Iran, Israel lacks the military resources to significantly damage Iran's nuclear ambitions. They could not carry out the several week bombing campaign that would be required. Even if they could the Pentagon estimates that it would only set Iran back several years.

Only a full invasion of Iran would result in changing that reality and Israel, as good as its military is, lacks the capability to project it power so far from its borders.

Bolton's and the neo cons game is to use the threat of Israeli action to goad the US into acting. The transparency of this is so evident that its laughable. I assume there are still rational actors in the Israeli government, even the current one, and on balance it is difficult to see the advantage to Israel by conducting a first nuclear strike. The outrage of the world against them would be total and they could not count on US backing beyond the neo cons and American Jewry and I'm not sure about Israel's coreligionists support.

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It is too much to expect for wobbly-kneed "I'm willing to fight to last dead Isralie" liberals like M.J. Rosenberg, to stop swinging at neo-con pitches in the dirt...because in the long Koinegsberg-Rothian Jewish tradition, all debate must begin with someone screaming that the Kossacks aren't coming, they are already here...and they're bringing the Nazis with them...

Which would be, ironically "funny" if it weren't such a serious situation, and if it weren't true that (ironically)the scare tactics employed by this blog and the paper-tigers at J-Street, were not exactly the same scare tactics they insist the Jewish right are using (i.e., Oh god, the Iranians are going to get the bomb...and give to Al Qaeda...who will, somehow, smuggle it, somewhere, and blow up Tel Aviv...because the Iranians don't care if they live or die in a thermonuclear firestorm...yeah, right...that makes perfect sense...because as we all saw, the assorted thug-factions that run Iran don't want order, they want chaos...that's why they didn't shut down the whole country; no sir, they are all just waiting to join hands and dance in the streets while Isralie nukes fall on them...)

Bolton is a clown...but J-Street is an old joke...the kulturkampf between Jewish City Mauses of America and the Country Mauses of Isralie goes back to the origins of Zionism...Jabos vs Yekkas...

Get over it...

the "two state solution" is meaningless because no one, no one, wants to talk about the ten ton elephant in the room...

The American Empire supports Arab dictators because they have oil and if we didn't support them then Arab (Religious)dictators (with whom we can't do business vs the current religious and secular dictators with whom we can do business) would come to power...and then what?

Real peace, is not only the absence of war...real peace is when any Isralie, or Jew, can openly visit an Arab country and walk into a bookstore and buy any book they like, even one by a fascist...or a bigot...or one written by a woman...or any Palestinian can walk into a Steimatsky (are they still around?) in Israel...and be left alone...

The day Springsteen plays Cairo, or the day when anyone can walk into a Sienfeld marathon at a movie house in Damascus, without fearing having some pair of thugs drag you away, there will be peace...

Finally, as to this silly idea that an Irnaian atom bomb is the end of the world...even an aloof cynic like Ehud Barak has said it's not the end of the world...why? Because he knows the Iranians are as disorganized as the Greeks (or the Isralies)and that the mobsters who run Iran are, in the end, ruthless pragmatists, who know that if they use the bomb, they will be erased from history...and if they give the bomb to someone else who uses it...

They will be blamed for it, and erased from history...

So what were left with is...why does J-Street and its fellow-kvetchers, never say, we support a democratic Israel and any Isralie withdrawal from any territory must be conditioned on the establishment of solid representational governments in the Arab world, accountable to their people and international law*...and that Europe and the US, must stop providing billions of dollars a year in direct trade and indirect (money laundering)schemes to sclerotic despotic regimes who advocate policies that are odious to everything we claim to believe in...

Oh, right...that would require common sense, honesty, and courage...

So, forget about it...let's get back to something easy, like beating up on some jackass like Bolton, or playing right into BiBi's hands by getting into a pissing contest about the Isralie ambassador's gambit, to pick a fight with an easy target...

the rubes at J-Street...

who are in the process of getting their asses whupped by their smarter, meaner, Isralie cousins...again...

So it goes...


*of course, since America is hardly accountable to anyone...waiting for the Arabs to embrace the rule of law is like waiting for a Christian Scientist with acute appendicitis to call 911...

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Creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creakcreak, creakcreak, creakcreak, [continue for a few minutes] creakcreakcreak, creakcreakcreak, creakcre--- AAAaagghh!! (small thump).

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thank you:-)

that gave me a good laugh this morning amid the cold drizzle...

I rather like, in addition, the old Three Stooges routine..."step by step..."

Meanwhile, in the real world, Bolton is still a clown, J-Street is still a joke, and your government has pissed a trillion dollars down the bottomless hole called "Iraq", trillions more into the rest of the utterly sclerotic Middle East, and the Obama regime is getting points because they are all reading books about Vietnam and how McBundy had his head up his ass when they should be reading The Quiet American...

or, they could take a look at the end of Past Continuous...and think about what it means when the story that starts with a death on April Fools Day, ends with Israel walking out of the hospital...no doubt to go home and play another round of the Goldberg Variations...

(gee, I wonder if that's a metaphor for the way life just goes in an endless loop and the "quest for peace" is a sick joke...no, can't be, after all, Shabtai tells us absolutely nothing about Isralie society...it's like reading one of those elegant and depressing as hell Amichai poems where history chuffs a black cloud over everything...and everyone watches life sail away...now, that's absurd...*)

and, of course, as everyone knows, literature tells us nothing about the world...why I hear that the difference between Israel and the Arab world is that the Arabs execute their writers (or force them into exile) while in Israel, they give them prizes...and ignore them...in internal exile...

History is bigger then everyone...even "President" Obama... Bolton is a clown and the demographic tide is going to swallow the republican party paving the way for a Man on the White Horse who will ride Glen Beckist "Populism", irrational anti-immigration fear, economic anxiety, corporate corruption, and the sickening vapors of bigotry, into power...and J-Street is still a pack of rubes who will get their asses kicked...because the mafia is tougher than they are...

So it goes...

Cheers

Have a large day...and keep the "sarcasm" coming...I enjoy it...

*"...they have put up many flags
we have put up many flags..."

--- Yehuda Amichai

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John Bolton is one of the most repugnant men in America. Learn the truth about him and his pals:

http://missinglinksmovie.blogspot.com/

In case you doubt that film, read what Harold Wallace Rosenthal has to say about Jews:

http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2009/06/hidden-tyrany-interview-with-harold_04.html

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I'm just curious as to where the Israel should unload its nuclear arsenal. As an American citizen, who was born and raised more than half of his life in Iran, I would like to know a proposed location where they'll drop an H-bomb -- assuming the atomic bombs are a thing of the past. Considering the H-bombs basically can take a chunk of this planet's limb like a super crocodile biting into a spring lamb, the world wide panic would be of epical proportion.

Just imagine waking up tomorrow morning and hear, "10 million people were incinerated in the span of less than 10 minutes... ensuing a global social unrest and economical turmoil... Dow drops by 90%, closing below 1,000... Oil hits $1000/barrel... every country's military is put on the highest alert... international ban on traveling and shipping goods are issued by all 190+ UN members..." and the headlines read,

"World War Annihilation. Hello Armageddon!"

And Bolton waltz on the next drollery cable show, sleeves pulled up, promulgating:

"Now, let's get to work. Eternal peace is in the arm reach."

What do you do with Israel then? I mean, they can easily turn the remaining 199 warheads at the Europe or the US.

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Of course the likelihood of anything like that happening is roughly similar to Hitler and all the Nazis rising from death, encircling Israel and turning it into one giant concentration and extermination camp (even if some Israeli WestBank settlers imagine that that has already happened (e.g. all non-Jews outside of Israel = Nazis or potential collaborators)). To the extent that Loose Cannon Bolton is doing anything beyond shooting off his loud chickenhawk mouth here, the purpose of his scaremongering is to make a "mere" non-nuclear attack on Iran's nuclear facilities seem more palatable. Still unlikely though, because practically every knowledgeable observer agrees that it would very likely be highly counterproductive. Carrot and stick negotiations and pressure on Ahminedijad and the clerics, and indirect (very indirect) support of the domestic opposition in Iran are much more fruitful approaches albeit still tricky.

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I'm sorry, but I have no idea at all what this "marlow" is talking about. Is it worth an explanation from anybody.
Althought the "creak, creak, thump" seems to cover it.

And why should I care what Harold Wallace Rosenthal "has to say about Jews"?

Is Marlow who got traded for Brad the Dad and Artappraiser? Oy Gevalt!

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I think what he means is that MJ and J-Street not only make no sense (after all, America survived being a non-democratic occupying power that practices Apartheid...and why in the world would Israel take the word of some Arab thug for aqnything?)but they are playing right into Bolton's gambit by taking the let'm nuke them idea seriously...it's a pitch in the dirt...don't swing at it...instead, ask the neo-cons why we keep supporting dictators? (of course, J-Street can't ask that question...it would undermine their entire idea that the "occupation" is the sin qua non of the entire issue...


I also think he means if you take the time to read a "good" book, like say, The Quiet American, or Black Box, or Past Continuous, you find that some of the most perceptive people in the world keep coming to the same conclusion - there is never going to be peace in the Middle East...because there is never peace anywhere...can you name the last time America was not fighting a war, getting over a war, or getting set to start another one?

So (as Kurt Vonnegut phrased it) it goes...

But perhaps you think all those Amichai poems about miserable alienated people trapped in the endless cycles of history tell us nothing about the Middle East...

"Jack" and "Squat" indeed...

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John Bolton's mustache could be smuggling ICBM's. I'm just sayin'.
Seriously though, if he wants to nuke whole countries or anyone he should first be subjected to the effects. Maybe we could microwave him for a few hours & then see how he feels about it.

Nuke Bolton before he nukes others!!

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