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Class Warfare Ahead?

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What's wrong with these two pictures? I believe there is a dangerous disconnect between the "investor class" and everyone else in the country. The S & P 500 keeps climbing and jobs keep disappearing. If this situation is not to dissolve into class warfare, our collective establishment (government and business leaders) better figure out a way to start creating jobs pretty quickly or your going to see the pitchfork brigades descend on both Washington and Wall Street. Already the signs of class tensions are high as the Pew Foundation found out last month when they asked what were the sources of conflict between social groups.

1354-1Both immigration and anger at the rich are sources of lower and middle class conflict. We don't like to use those words in America, but there is no other way to describe this. In the 1930's Depression this took two distinct paths--the Nativist/right wing vitriol of Father Coughlin and the "soak the rich" populism of Huey Long. Roosevelt had to thread the needle between fascism and socialism, but without the WPA putting people back to work, the country could have been taken over by the demagogues. God knows we have enough Father Coughlin's to staff a whole cable TV network 24-7.

Obama needs a Digital Green WPA. If we could build the Hoover Dam in 1936, we could get started now on the massive solar and wind power opportunities to put people back to work.


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One of my granddaughters was about eight years old when she asked her mother whether, when she grew up, she'd be allowed to use the "S" word. Her mother asked "Why, do you want to use it?" and she responded "Oh Boy, Do I!"

It's that same enthusiasm that I bring to your question: "Class War Ahead?"

One can only hope.

In fact, the class war began with the election of Ronald Reagan, but it's been one-sided. The other side, us (or maybe we, I'll have to ask Safire), didn't have a clue that we were fighting and apparently still don't.

I'm left wondering what it will take to strike the spark.

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When the upper middle no longer have a safe haven in their gated communities and armor clad SUVs.

When these people can no longer be guarantied a roof over their heads and food in their stomach.

C

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If we could build the Hoover Dam in 1936 . . . .

Authorization for the Boulder Dam Project was signed into law by Calvin Coolidge in 1928. First appropriation was made in July 1930 at which time the work began. The first concrete was poured before FDR became president in 1933.

Just to keep the history straight.

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Imagine for a moment: Could the WPA, Interstate Highway System or building of the Hoover Dam be done in an age of environmental studies, endangered species analysis, court challenges, Greenpeace, Sierra Club, etc? We'd still be waiting for the litigation to be decided. Think FDR would have much patience for what we see routinely today?

I am actually quite worried about the potential for long-term joblessness in this country. We've outsourced ourselves to high unemployment and the activities that could employ thousands (millions?) are blocked at every turn. Wind project off the east coast? no, too unsightly for the Kennedy's. Drill for oil in Alaska, employing many and removing cash from dictators? no, might upset the caribou. Build a dam? no, might hurt the snail darter.

We only seem to want high-tech, clean, service jobs. A complete economy needs more than just Apple, Hollywood and Financial Services.

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A little class warfare will be good for us.

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A lot of class warfare would be even better. It is time to finish what FDR averted.

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Hmmm. Lets see. JFK and Reagan cut tax rates and the economy boomed. Hoover and FDR raised tax rates and got the most prolonged business downturn in history.

So far this administration has been all about tax increases as in Cap and Tax, the Health Care debacle, et al.

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Right. That is why America experienced one of the broadest economic expansions, along with the greatest growth in the middle classes, during the Eisenhower administration, when the top marginal tax rate was a mere 90% on incomes over $250,000. Try again, bozo.

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In six months, from August 1957 to February 1958, the Federal Reserve Index of industrial production has declined from 145 to 130 – a decrease of more than 10 per cent.

Plus, perhaps its best from your point of view to ignore the 1953 to 1955 recession as well.

Growth in the wrong direction. BTW, that $250K is more like two or three million in todays dollars.

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Don't argue with this greedy blockhead. He's not worth the time or the trouble. He hate taxes and there ain't no way you'll convince him otherwise.

C

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Careful, Abdul. You are going to have the wrath of the far left descend upon you. Remember: whatever the question, the answer is "more taxes, more government"

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The ability of the S&P 500 to earn does not depend only on economic conditions in the United States. Many of the S&P 500 are global corporations which derive substantial profits from their overseas operations -- often more than half.

The natural rate of uemployment is alleged to have increased recently from about 5% to around 7%.

There are far fewer jobs that can usefully employ lower skilled labor. This is largely the result of the application of new technology, especially information technology. Longer ago, businesses would have many employees doing the same, simple job. Now, if you have multiple employees doing the same job, you wonder whether you need them all. There are exceptions, like call center workers, burger flippers, etc. But jobs to create a new green economy are not low-skilled, simple jobs.

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If this situation is not to dissolve into class warfare ...

Too late Jon, the economic policy of every Republican administration since 1980 has been nothing but class warfare.

Or are you just referring to the risk that our side might start shooting back?

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We've had class warfare for the past, oh, 35 years or so. Waged by and on behalf of the people who as kids internalized the message that the person who dies with the most stuff wins the game.

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By definition, 100 is the median IQ. What will half the population do in the kind of economy/society envisioned here when they can't learn statistics or coding or master database management? A permanent underclass? A servant class? Can a just society condemn half, or some significant proportion of half, the population to poverty and irrelevance based on biological characteristics?

Or does it take not that much intelligence to master these technologies? Cf, Mills, The Power Elite.

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What will half the population do in the kind of economy/society envisioned here when they can't learn statistics or coding or master database management?

I'm familiar with statistics, can cut code like nobody's business, and have about 10 years' experience implementing RDBMS systems (yeah, OK a redundancy in there) on embedded systems. Guess what, none of those things will save you.

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Your characterization of class conflict being polarized between the Coughlins and the Longs is oversimplified by quite a lot. Most of that class conflict was channeled into New Deal liberalism and the growing labor movement and was very productive.

At the beginning of the post you say this situation could become dangerous. For whom I wonder? The rich? I certainly hope so! Our common people are having their lives and livelihoods destroyed already. How much more dangerous can it get for them? As for class war, I say bring it on baby! It's long overdue and when it comes to a head the filthy, greedy parasites at the top will finally get what they deserve.

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Ditto the above comment from oleeb. Bring it on! I fear, however, most of us are like frogs in boiling water. Working and middle class folk realize they've lost ground, but are depressingly passive. TV propaganda has done it's job: we have the best health care system in the world; Americans are the most generous people in the world; we are the economic engine of the world; we are the best democracy in the world; stop me, please.

I watched with open admiration the Iranians when Ahmedinejad was "elected". Contrast that to what happened here in 2004. Very, very depressing.

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There's been a class war taking place in the US for the past 30 years. Only one class knew it was taking place and it wasn't the peasants.

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