Israel-Palestine: Obama Wants "Final Status" Negotiations Now
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) seems not to have watched President Obama's televised statement following his meetings with Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. AIPAC issued a statement citing "dramatic steps" the Netanyahu government has taken "to improve the everyday lives of Palestinian civilians...."
It concludes that "Israel is taking meaningful steps and tangible risks for peace" and urges "the Arab states and the Palestinians to match Israel's commitment to peace with actions of their own."
AIPAC cites the Arab states before the Palestinians because its focus these days is not on any sort of an Israeli-Palestinian agreement but on benefits that can be secured from the Saudis (and other oil-rich Arab states) in advance of any concessions by Israel.
The statement overlooks the fact that President Obama gave no evidence whatsoever that he shares the AIPAC take. In fact, he said that Israelis and Palestinians "cannot continue the same patterns of taking tentative steps forward and then stepping back."
Writing in Ha'aretz, correspondent Aluf Benn says, "In his statement, Obama explained that the Americans are not interested in suggestions raised by Israel - interim agreements which mainly benefit Netanyahu. He also made clear that he does not accept Abbas' refusal to enter into talks until Israel halts settlement construction."
The President has simply had it and is ready to skip intermediate steps and get down to business. "Permanent status negotiations must begin and begin soon."
This is good news, and should not be obfuscated by those determined to preserve the status quo.
The President's call for "final status" negotiations now means that he understands the dangers of getting bogged down in definitions of settlements, natural growth, and what constitutes incitement.
No, President Obama wants to move on to final status issues.
Those issues are Israel borders, the status of Jerusalem, security guarantees for both sides, the refugee question and the establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.
In Aluf Benn's words: Obama "read his statement as a command directed at the two sides," a command to get the final negotiations moving. The sooner the better.

















It is too soon to pass judgment except to say that there are hopeful indications, in marked to contrast to the utter absence thereof during 2001-08. Nonetheless, it needs to be borne in mind that what we have so far from Obama amounts to all talk and no action. Today marks no break in the patter, unless you count a forced handshake as action.
September 22, 2009 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pattern that should have been (not "patter"), e.g. Pun unintended.
September 22, 2009 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/tobin/101502
September 22, 2009 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Commentary, a once respectable mag, now a notorious neo-con rag. Does it nonetheless have a meaningful point to make (in substitution perhaps, for the void in thinking ability of the poster here?
Not at all. All the glib rhetoric adds up to pure AIPAC crap: It's all the Arabs fault. Settlements today, settlements tomorrow, settlements forever.
September 22, 2009 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
The one thing that puts the lie to the secular Zionist talk of a "democratic" Jewish homeland without the colonial and genocidal ambitions of Greater or eretz Israel, it is the settlements; the sometimes officially, sometimes unofficially sanctioned continuing theft of Palestinian homes and land.
Then there is the problem of ongoing international crimes of occupation, periodic war crimes, a self-appointed PA President who doesn't represent the Palestinian people, Hamas, retreated into a militant stance but still in power, the legal right of return, etc., etc. etc.
What we have are leaders on both sides that cannot negotiate a real settlement of anything substantial. But hey, gang, let's put on a play in the barn! Call it "Onward Oslo, the Roadmap to Annapolis." And, when Obama says, "Let there be light," hit that baby blue spot...
September 23, 2009 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
September 22, 2009 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Beautifully put: A honest reflection of reality, even if unintended.
I am paranoid, therefore the US Congress must eternally kiss the settler-nuts behinds.
September 22, 2009 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
September 22, 2009 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you see the word "Jews" in that sentence,
you have a problem with reading comprehension. Perhaps a remedial course in English would cheer you up.
September 22, 2009 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
All well and good.
More importantly, do you foresee either Netanyahu or Abbas being either willing or able to deliver on "final status" issues?
Also, MJ, you seem to have omitted Benn's final sentence after the part you quoted:
The President is satisfied with Netanyahu's (so far privately made) promises to limit construction, and places the resumption of peace talks at the top of his priority list.September 22, 2009 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
In Aluf Benn's words: Obama "read his statement as a command directed at the two sides," a command to get the final negotiations moving. The sooner the better.
Well, let's hope Obama has finally learned something from his failed first round. It does no good for a great power to lecture people on what they "must" do and issue ostensible "commands" if they are not prepared to back up their imperatives with some kind of forceful response in the case of failure to comply. If you don't walk the walk after talking the talk, you only make yourself look weaker and more laughable, and diminish the credibility and influence of your words.
The President has directed the parties to come to Washington, and has asked the Secretary of State to deliver a status report in mid-October. That's very soon. Now MJ, here's what I need to know from you: What practical penalties or sanctions are you and your organization prepared to back if the Secretary of State reports unsatisfactory progress by either the Palestinians or the Israelis?
I believe several of us asked you about this last time, when you seemed dazzled and overly impressed with Obama's big words and commanding tone on the settlements. And I don't recall that you were willing to endorse any specific sanctions. That seems similar to the Obama administration, which doesn't seem to have been prepared with any contingency plan in case the Israelis decided not to treat Obama's authoritative-sounding pronouncements on settlements as a third tablet of commandments, and decided just to say "no" instead.
September 22, 2009 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
First of all, Palestinians are victims, therefore unsatisfactory progress by the Palestinians can't never cause any penalties or sanctions.
Second, MJ and his organization are prepared to back up all possible penalties and sanctions against Israel at any time.
September 22, 2009 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh Anna, grow up. I asked MJ in the post what practical sanctions he would support for unsatisfactory progress by either the Palestinians or the Israelis.
And since I wasn't addressing you, perhaps you would be so kind as to save the kibbitzing until MJ answers the question himself?
September 22, 2009 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
let me pull an AnnaA on you:
First of all, Jews are victims, therefore unsatisfactory progress by the Israelis can't never cause any penalties or sanctions.
Second, AnnaA and his organization are prepared to back up all possible penalties and sanctions against Palestinians at any time.
is the shoe too tight?
September 22, 2009 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, Jews are not victims anymore, but too many people on this blog are still not used to idea of Jews not being victims anymore.
September 22, 2009 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
except when it is necessary to extract political gains and the holocaust card is brought out.
September 23, 2009 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't expect an answer, Dan. MJ is long on bluster; short on actual policy prescriptions. Accepting the viewpoints expressed in his writings would logically lead to support of the BDS movement, at the very least, if not more severe sanctions, against the serial violator of human rights and obstructionist Israelis. You and I both know, though we come at this from different points, that MJ would never go this far. He's more interested in settling scores with his old buddies at AIPAC - a goal he is sufficiently invested in to make common cause with Israel-haters like Walt and Weiss. My impression is also that, unlike someone like Bernard Avishai, who, whether you agree with him or not, is on the ground trying to find ways to bring the sides closer together in the interest of peace, Rosenberg is a DC creature from whence he can lob verbal missiles at Israel a safe distance.
September 22, 2009 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Comon, he is just a clown, Glenn Beck without an audience.
September 22, 2009 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Armchair Guerilla, I guess I think the book is still open on MJ. But my concern is that the new groups MJ has been involved with are just idle feel-good societies for liberal Jews. By joining these groups, people get to express relatively safe verbal opposition to Israeli government policies, but without ever committing to putting any tangible, coercive pressure in the way of that government. They get to indulge the feeling that their hands are cleaner, but aren't really willing to do what is necessary to bring about substantive change.
It would be nice for those who expect to see Obama lead the charge on this issue to show him that if he gets very serious, and then turns to look behind him when the really heavy incoming starts flying, the sunshine warriors will still have his back, and he won't be standing all alone. Obama can't change the Middle East with only the power of his smile and pure soul power.
When are we going to get some clear indication of the carrots and sticks that can be brought into play, and some clear commitments to use them?
September 22, 2009 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is an incomplete assessment. In many ways, "liberal Jews" are helping to shame "mainstream" Jews and non-Jews into FINALLY starting to get the wide hypocritical behinds of lunatic settler Israelis and their dupes and tools off of the US Congress. I would agree that there is far too much time wasted with "we love Israel better than you because it is tough love" silliness, but this a tactical quibble. The strategy of liberating America's Mideast policy from the foreign fanatics who have hijacked it is clear and essential, and if "liberal Jews" don't lead the charge probably no one will, until the place blows up and becomes more like the Latter Day Warsaw Ghetto that the paranoid settler mentality already assumes and nihilistically furthers.
September 23, 2009 3:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
So what if Obama says the time has come to move the peace process forward? His chatter make as much an impression on Netanyahu as the threats issued by the Labor Party rebels. Benny Begin and Yesha settlement leader Pinhas Wallerstein scare him more than that lefty Obama and his few friends in Israel. [ haaretz ]
obama is not feared. he was feared when he first made his pronouncement on settlement freeze. but now he is being perceived as weak. he has a bark but no teeth. he needs to change that perception if he wants to accomplish anything.
September 22, 2009 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama was never feared. Everyone with half a brain realized that he was a neophyte and would get eaten alive by any more experienced player...and that is exactly what happened. Bibi is a hell of a lot smarter and more experienced than Barack and his "brain trust"
September 22, 2009 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nudnik has apoint about bibi's experience. I can't think of any other Israeli politician that has more extensive ties to Americans than he. It's Israelis who are suspicious that bibi is a big ol' p-word:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133550
Nothing like another voice of experience urging the use of the weapons at hand.....
September 23, 2009 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
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The idea that anything will ever change without serious sanctions against Israel is preposterous. What possible motive would Israel have for changing a policy that allows it to continue to appropriate Palestinian land and marginalize its Arab population? Israel's goal is to maximize its land and minimize its Arabs. The long term plan is to settle most of the good Palestinian lands and then create some kind of unsustainable Bantustan on marginal land for the Arabs, with the hope that over time the impoverished, demoralized Palestinians will emigrate to Arab countries. This is clearly Israel's plan and it's working fabulously well. Why would Israel change a thing without some kind of pressure from the international community? The reality is blatantly obvious, but we have a bunch of babbling fools here who like to delude themselves into thinking that the "peace process" and "roadmap" are something more than a convenient cover for an Israeli government that wants to maintain what it sees as a highly desirable status quo but knows that projecting an image of wanting change is essential to keeping the international community at bay.
If MJ really wants change, he must work for sanctions against Israel. Anything short of that is just embarrassing childishness.
September 23, 2009 7:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
in this issue, obama is the strange case of the president who wasn't. he announced to the whole world the demand that israel freeze settlements. the israeli spit in his face. hillary clinton was right. all obama got is a speech. and when the upcoming negotiations get into a snag, what will obama do? he will give a speech, of course.
by refusing to put any teeth to his demand, obama just told the israeli that it will be business as usual. there will be peace talks which plays right into the rope a dope israeli strategy of just waiting it out. these talks, like all previous ones, will act as a cover for the further stealing of land and water and segregation of the palestinians.
of course, it's not stealing if your fantasy god gave it to you. right? dogs use urine to mark territory but the israeli settlers use the bible to mark territory. the difference is that dogs are more honest.
obama, he's an ineffective and likable nice guy.
BDS is the only way to go.
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