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Irving Kristol Dies: How Will the Neocon Church Now Divide?

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irving kristol.jpgIrving Kristol has died at 89.

Kristol is the primary intellectual godfather of the neoconservative movement -- which his son Bill Kristol helped transform into a major political force.

Kristol and his wife, Gertrude Himmelfarb, were and are respectively profoundly significant intellectuals whose work and public commentary had an enormous impact on Washington's political culture.

But what now will be interesting to watch is the race between those who want to inherit Irving Kristol's mantle as the "real neoconservative" and who will take the movement into a new generation.

This title will not automatically go to his son, Bill Kristol, who committed a great sin in the eyes of many neocons by animating the political pretensions of the anti-intellectual populist former Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin.

fukuyama twn.jpgWhen neoconservative scholar and author Francis Fukuyama was once venting his frustration about the neoconservatives who were driving America into the wreckage of the Iraq War and defending himself from attacks by Charles Krauthammer, he once shared at a public meeting at the Nixon Center, paraphrasing, that he had grown up at the knee of Irving Kristol and was one of just a few in an original group who participated in the salons and discussions in the Kristol household.

Fukuyama said, as I recall, that he didn't need lessons from Krauthammer on what neoconservatism was all about. In fact, Fukuyama felt that what Krauthammer and some others were writing and speaking about Iraq contradicted neoconservative perspectives. He said that he and other neocons used to criticize government's hubris for thinking it could change school test scores in Anacostia -- and now some of these same people were arguing that America could easily generate social outcomes in Baghdad.

In other words, Fukuyama was intimating that the Iraq escapade was a violation of everything Irving Kristol taught him and stood for.

This vignette is important because I think that a number of leading neoconservatives -- including Fukuyama and David Frum as well as others like Kenneth Adelman -- never really left neoconservatism as much as the modern variant left them.

This leads me to suspect that in the wake of Irving Kristol's passing, there may be an effort to redefine an alternative version of neoconservative thinking and perspective than that which Bill Kristol and his close ally, Robert Kagan, have fashioned.

The church split with Fukuyama, but the neoconservative church may split yet again, and again.

-- Steve Clemons publishes the popular political blog, The Washington Note


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Who cares?

Give me one example of an "idea" these intellectuals have produced that is worth anything beyond the ability of our defense contractors to monetize it?

If you have a piece of dog excrement in the garden with flies circling it, and you throw nearby another piece of biologically processed food, the flies will split. If you want to split the neo-cons you need another source of dollars, careers, think-tank chairs, etc. to dangle in front of them.

You don't need ideas.

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Neoconservativism, its alter ego neoliberalism, and most of the other -isms have been sacrificed at the alter of global corporate interest.
When Fukuyama was likely researching and writing 'The End of History and the Last Man' in 1989-1991 the G-7, as capitalist democracies, controlled over 75% of the global economy. By comparison they had less than 40% of the world's standing armies.
At this pivotal historical crossroads, instead of employing our tremendous economic primacy to 'encourage' the world's remaining non-democratic countries (esp. China,see my blog entry http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/trblmkr/ ) to 'join the club' we (western democracies) dove headlong into global pursuit of markets and cheap labor. Even worse, when countries like Russia made a real attempt at 'messy' democracy our support of their efforts was spotty at best. This enriched and solidified many a despotic regime.
Now, those same members of G-7 control less than half of the global economy, so when we want to 'spread democracy' in a neocon or neolib fashion, (i.e. Iraq) the soft power option doesn't really exist and we are left with the far inferior alternative.
The ultimate irony is that we voluntarily took the economic option AWAY FROM OURSELVES!
Whoops!

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"Give me one example of an "idea" these intellectuals have produced that is worth anything beyond the ability of our defense contractors to monetize it?"

....perfectly put.

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While I am sure that there is a small clique of intellectuals somewhere in the Village that will pay their respects, most people who self-identify as neo-con can barely read a full page of political theory, much less know who Kristol was.

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These blogs are a great example of how not to act but do explain why you country is in the state it is.
Rest In Peace, Mr Kristol,
Thanks for the great Lectures at Loyola U.

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We have seen the example of The Church of the United States. It historically divides north and south along racial lines, but it can divide anyway dementia wants it to.

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Neoconservatism and vibrant intellectual ferment are incompatible. Always has been. Whatever the Neoconservatives represent, it is not intellectual curiosity but crass dogma in the service of parochial opportunism.

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Thanks for the inside scoop.

Just keeping it in context, intellectual powerhouse David Frum whose influence you cite toward the end was the horse's ass who coined the paradigm of inanity, "Axis of Evil" for W. and his self-congratulating buffoons.

Frum was outspoken in his pride over this national embarrassment (his wife and he got a little too proud and he got canned for peacocking over it by Bush, an amusing by irrelevant detail). Giddy reporters invited Frum at the time to assess his asinine creation, was it really the stroke of *genius* as it surely seemed to Bush-crazy press of January 1992? And he obligingly told them that, yes, it truly appeared to be momentous.

Wasn't that a time? No quibble with what you say, fine and thank you. Just so we also understand the level of imbecility we're talking about here.

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Good points, but you must mean 2002, not 1992. In this particular context the two dates involve the mother of all differences between Father Bush and Son Bush.

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You are correct, and thanks!

The soaring "intellectual" giant's big year was 2002, of course. 7 years of ruinous foreign policy flowed from this absurdity. People study in university, "How Foreign Policy is Made." In this case, it was made by a jackass speechwriter and a bunch of cocksure know-nothings.

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Kennedy and Kristol in the same month?

Couldn't be more symbolic.

And who will fill the opposing vacuums?

Offspring?

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vacuum? What vaccuum?

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Frum? The neo-cons can sit on their thumbs . . .

Following is a look of how totally off the wall the U.S. government can get and what a complete asinine zone of group-think delusion these twits operate in ideologically. But many here all ready know that.

Conversations with History: David Frum

January 20, 2004
University of California Television58 minutes

Host Harry Kreisler welcomes former Bush
speech writer David Frum for a discussion
of the defining features of the Bush
administration's response to the terrorist
acts of 9/11. He also reflects on the
strengths and weaknesses of President Bush
and lays out a program for the United States
in the war on terrorism.

Never lose sight of that which is there lurking from what you can readily see in hindsight from this presentation.

~OGD~

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