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AIPAC Reeling: Israel Says Iranian Nukes "Not An Existential Threat"

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The AIPAC crowd is going to have a hard time with this. Israel's uber-hawk Defense Minister (and the most highly decorated soldier in its history), Ehud Barak, says that an Iranian nuclear weapon would not pose an existential threat to Israel.

Today's New York Times reports that Barak told Israel's largest paper Yedioth Ahronoth that "Iran does not constitute an existential threat against Israel."Asked specifically about a nuclear armed Iran, Barak said, "I am not among those who believe Iran is an existential issue for Israel."

Barak concluded: "Israel is strong, I don't see anyone who could pose an existential threat,"

The threat, of course, is not to Israel's existence but to Israel's status as the region's only nuclear power.

But don't expect this to mean that the "Bomb Iran" crowd here -- which is the lobby and its cutouts -- is going to shut up.

Contrary to what many believe, the lobby does not always follow the Israel line.

That is why Prime Minister Rabin tried so hard (unsuccessfully) to curb AIPAC. Upon his election as prime minister in 1992, he met with its leadership to tell AIPAC to butt the hell out. He intended to come to terms with the Palestinians and did not want AIPAC to get in his way. He also insisted on dealing with the US government directly and not through a surly intermediary. (His top aides specifically told AIPAC to fire Steve Rosen who, he knew, would use his dark powers to kill any Israeli-Palestinian agreement).

AIPAC ignored Rabin and continued its sabotage efforts.

In fact, a few years ago the Israeli government worked with the Palestinian Authority to devise an aid package for the Palestinian Authority that would help it withstand the threat from Hamas. This was before Hamas took over Gaza and the package was designed to gird the PA against the threat.

The Bush administration supported the package and thought it was urgent to keep Gaza under PA (not Hamas) control.

AIPAC, on the other hand, did not like the idea and its lobbyists went directly to the House Appropriations Commitee and demanded it be cut in half. The Israelis also went to the Hill to tell the same appropriators that Israel's own security needs dictated that the full package be delivered quickly to check Hamas. Of course AIPAC prevailed. And AIPAC celebrated that it could beat the White House, the Palestinian Authority and even the Israeli government. Kings of the Hill!

Only to a degree does the lobby operate in support of Israel. Mostly it is about preserving and extending its own power.

The Iran issue is its latest ticket. It will use it to raise money -- it just built an eight story building in Washington complete with a gym and catering facilities -- and, best of all, to make the United States government do what it wants.

As someone who worked at AIPAC for four years (before I came to my senses), I can personally attest to the fact that the organization is most decidely not about Israel. It is about AIPAC.

I wonder if Barak will back down after AIPAC calls to chew him out. Regardless, Barak's statement is now on the record.

Iran is not an existential threat to Israel. But the lobby might be.

NOTE: I join Media Matter on Monday. As Mother Jones pointed out, my move to one of the largest and oldest liberal sites in the blogosphere is, along with the rise in J Street, a sign that the lobby is truly in trouble. (I obviously don't put my move in the same category as the J Street phenomenon). These are bad times for defenders of the status quo. The Jewish New Year starts this weekend. Maybe this will be the year that the occupation ends. Im yirtzeh Hashem, as the Jews say. Inshallah, as the Muslims say. God willing. .

I will, of course, continue to post here.


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there is lots going on behind the curtain. all of the following has occurred during the past few days:

1. the obama administration is dropping the european defense shield which russia strongly has opposed

2. medvedev has said recently that he would be willing to impose sanctions on iran

3. barak is saying that iran is not an existential threat

4. us intelligence is reaffirming that iran is not developing nuclear weapons in challenge to european and isreali assessments

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Thanks for putting it together like that. Sounds right.

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Wow. Good work.

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2 questions, MJ. I've noticed that many of the most extreme settlers are recent immigrants from the US. To what extent are they in league with AIPAC? Are there institutional links? There's surely a potential for them to be used as a fifth column if the Israeli government ever takes a more conciliatory line. Second, about AIPAC being about AIPAC. Isn't that true generally of this whole right-wing establishment with its numerous think tanks, pressure groups, newsletters, etc., etc.? They whip up violent emotions in large part to keep the cash rolling in so that they can keep expanding their empires. The policy goals seem sometimes to be the means rather than the end.
Thanks.

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This all smacks of diplomatic face-saving in the wake economic calamity - this recessionary age. The missile shield has been dead some time - too expensive and none of our European allies are keen to start a new Cold War (except Britain, of course, which has sunk a lot of dough in the south Caspian pipeline, too). Nobody wants to go to war over Israeli skittishness - too expensive and too much information that the Iranians aren't cooking up a bomb... right now.

Medvedev's "about face" on Iran sanctions is as resolute and committed as a Hollywood "save the world" crusade; he knows China won't fall in and he can screw some deals out of the U.S. in return for... foot-dragging. Iran is inured to sanctions after all these years, and knows time is on its side - not Israel's.

There's only one wild card in the deck, and that's our lickspittle Washington establishment, so deep in AIPAC's pocket even lint and Metro passes are considered "trusted and valued regional partners":

The U.S. should begin preparing crippling sanctions on Iran and publicly make clear that a military strike is possible should the Iranian government press ahead with its nuclear effort, a bipartisan policy group said.

“If biting sanctions do not persuade the Islamic Republic to demonstrate sincerity in negotiations and give up its enrichment activities, the White House will have to begin serious consideration of the option of a U.S.-led military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities,” said the study from the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington.


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We could consider going to Iran??? What kind of nuts are we? Geez! Hopefully somebody will put the facts on the front pages of the news before we launch. We will bring ourselves into ruin. Wow. I understand that "we" believe the Iranians are wacko but do any of our right wing wackos understand that the only difference if Iran gets the bomb is that they AND Israel now possess the key to their own destruction? We truly in a world gone crazy and we (U.S.) are the
leaders of the pack.

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Hopefully somebody will put the facts on the front pages of the news before we launch.

You mean... like they did before we launched the Iraq War?

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The recent Drudge headline that Sarkozy "admitted" Iran was pursuing nuclear weapons linked to a charming JPost article quoting Sarkozy with JPost adding an editorial "clarification" to the quote as follows:

".... nuclear [weapons] program ...."

Iran has long had a nuclear program but the "weapons" editorial clarification was misleading.

And so it goes.

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Thanks for that info. Drudge is one lying SOB, isn't he? How easy to keep the rabid foaming at the mouth.

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Drudge has moved on. Now he just links to a "secret" report that Iran has the knowledge to make a bomb. This is not news and hasn't been news for a long time as they have long had that "knowledge." What there is no evidence of is that they are actually refining low enriched U (5%)to Weapons grade (90%). It's just a continual drumbeat suggesting they are doing so. It's really disgusting.

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"....the israeli left is alive as ariel sharon"

from a poem by Remi Kanazi

Video: Israel/America: A Rambling Poem

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The Jewish Lobby is in trouble in US, but it's in the power in Poland, again.


And now he has done a large favor for Vladimir Putin a year after Putin showed the seriousness of his intention to establish Russian “spheres of influence” over its former captive territories, and amid Russia’s campaign to short-circuit Western diplomatic pressure on Iran. The administration’s reasoning on missile defense appears to be part of the “reset button” strategy with Russia—but the result will be a demonstration to Iran, as Max pointed out, of American naiveté and weakness, or at least of a foolish desire to elevate the superficial appearance of good relations above substantive American interests. In hanging Poland and the Czech Republic out to dry, Obama damages our ability to show our allies that American friendship is meaningful and unwavering. “This is catastrophic for Poland,” said a spokeswoman at the Polish Ministry of Defense. It is catastrophic for Poland, and Obama has apparently made his peace with that fact. But it is also broadly damaging to American credibility, which is the wellspring of American power.

There are many problems with individual Obama initiatives. But taken as a whole, the biggest problem is the administration’s apparent inability to look at the world as a system that responds with great sensitivity to American leadership, or the lack thereof. Obama looks at a map of the world as if through a straw, believing that his decisions in one area will have little effect on his choices in other areas. It is a grand strategy of rejecting the concept of grand strategy.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/pollak/97422

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AnnaA,

If that last paragraph is indeed your own words, then it appears that it is in fact YOU that looks at Obama's foreign policy through a straw by being unable to see the bigger picture.

America has always acted in its self interest. The move to drop the missile shield defense was a calculated one meant in diplomatic gesture towards Russia with the ultimate eye toward the goal of getting Iran and their nuke policy to the table. Any knowledgeable foreign policy expert in the world arena recognizes each country conducts policy in its own self interest.

So with regards to American foreign policy in dealing with major players like Russia and Iran, where does Poland land in the grand scheme of things? FYI, Poland is totally insignificant and had always been a pawn in America's strategy. The Polish politicians knew very well they were being used, but allowed themselves to because having a shield also served their own country's interests. Now Obama has calculated that the shield will NOT serve America's long term interests anymore because of the benefits that can be gained by dropping it, and Polish pols are crying because America has chosen to do what it feels serves its interests the most even at the expense of Poland? Well DOH!!! America is the superpower and Poland is nowhere near being considered a 'power' of any sort. They are a pawn. Obama sees the bigger picture and recognizes that no missile shield is better not only for American but worldwide interests, and recognizes that a pawn is a pawn.

If these Polish politicians are so ignorant of how foreign policy works and thinks that America wanted to set up its missile shield out of altruism for Poland to purely benefit the Pols to hold greater leverage against their perceived Russian threat then they absolutely deserve this reality bitch slap.

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"When you are a jet you are a jet all the way from your first cigarette til your last dying day" ... but sometimes just being normal is for jets.

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RE: Today's New York Times reports that Barak told Israel's largest paper Yedioth Ahronoth that "Iran does not constitute an existential threat against Israel."

BUT SEE - "Iran attack: Israel ex-min sees end-yr deadline", By William Maclean, Reuters, 09/16/09

[EXCERPT] LONDON (Reuters) - Israel will be compelled to attack Iran's nuclear sites if Western powers cannot agree crippling sanctions against Tehran by the end of the year, a former Israeli deputy defense minister said on Wednesday. Ephraim Sneh, who holds no position in the current Israeli government and was speaking in his personal capacity...

...Sneh said Israel had many reasons to block the emergence of a nuclear weapons-capable Iran, because in that event

-- Immigration to Israel would stop.

-- More able young men and women would emigrate to pursue their future in places seen as more secure.

-- Investment in Israel would be reduced.

-- Decision-making by the cabinet would be hostage to the fear ofIranian nuclear retaliation. The processes of government would thereby be "substantially distorted."

-- Extremist forces in the Middle East would be empowered.

-- Iran would pressure moderate forces in the region to toughen their positions in contacts or negotiations with Israel, for example in discussions over Jerusalem or the Golan Heights

-- Saudi Arabia and Egypt would seek to obtain nuclear weapons themselves, bringing about a Middle East "fully loaded with nuclear weapons."

ENTIRE ARTICLE - http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Iran/idUSTRE58F2WG20090916?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0

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-- Israel would no longer be able to shoot fish in a barrel

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Gee.

I wonder why Barak's comments were only available in the Hebrew version of Ynet...

It appears that the Hebrew-only media operate at a looser level of censorship than does the gringo version.

Hats off for the NYT trumpeting of this quote. There are a slew of Israelis who agree with Barak's asessment. The majority come from the (mostly ret.) professional career ranks of both the military and intelligence sectors. Even Avigdor Lieberman infamously listed Iran @#3 in terms of danger-to-Israel; Pakistan was first of course followed by Afghanistan.

Here's a worthy read; some (Stratfor's) George Freidman excerpts laced with neoconiac "wishful thinking" re the author's "analysis" of Russia's POV on Iran, etc and our p-word CiC.

Separate the wheat from the chaff, ya'll:

STRATFOR: "Obama is weak, ... but Netanyahu has what it takes"

STRATFOR, who has no regards to President Obama is hoping that salvation comes from Israel, and soon! [excerpts:].

"...So far, the Iranians are playing their traditional hand. They are making the question of whether there would be talks about nuclear weapons the center of diplomacy. Where the West wanted a commitment to end uranium enrichment, the Iranians are trying to shift the discussions to whether they will talk at all.

..The members of the P-5+1 that don’t want a confrontation with Iran will use Tehran’s agreement merely to talk (absent any guarantees of an outcome) to get themselves off the hook on which they found themselves back in April — namely, of having to impose sanctions if the Iranians don’t change their position on their nuclear program.

Russia, one of the main members of the P-5+1, already has made clear it opposes sanctions under any circumstances.......

Russia is pleased to do anything that keeps the United States bogged down in the Middle East, since this prevents Washington from deploying forces in Poland, the Czech Republic, the Baltics, Georgia or Ukraine. A conflict with Iran not only would bog down the United States even further, it would divide Europe and drive the former Soviet Union and Central Europe into viewing Russia as a source of aid and stability......

In discussing crippling sanctions, ............Moscow and Beijing can deliver all the gasoline Tehran wants. The Russians could even deliver gasoline by rail in the event that Iranian ports are blocked. Therefore, if the Russians aren’t participating, the impact of gasoline sanctions is severely diminished, something the Iranians know well.

Tehran and Moscow therefore are of the opinion that this round of threats will end where other rounds ended. The United States, the United Kingdom and France will be on one side; Russia and China will be on the other; and Germany will vacillate, not wanting to be caught on the wrong side of the Russians. In either case, whatever sanctions are announced would lose their punch, .............however, a dimension that indicates that this crisis might take a different course.

The Israeli Dimension

Our view always has been that the Iranians are far from acquiring nuclear weapons. This is, we believe, the Israeli point of view. But the Israeli point of view also is that, however distant, the Iranian acquisition of nuclear weapons represents a mortal danger to Israel — and that, therefore, Israel would have to use military force if diplomacy and sanctions don’t work.

.......Ahmadinejad apparently has emerged from the recent Iranian election crisis with expanded clout over Iran’s foreign policy, and that the Iranian nuclear program appears to be popular among Iranian nationalists ....... there accordingly is no evidence of any force or process that would cause the Iranians to change their minds about their nuclear program. With that, the advantage to Israel of delaying a military strike evaporates.

......... the Israelis have Obama in a box. Obama promised them that if Israel did not take a military route, he would deliver them crippling sanctions against Iran. Why Obama made this promise

— and he has never denied the Israeli claim that he did — is not fully clear. It did buy him some time, and perhaps he felt he could manage the Russians better than he has. Whatever Obama’s motivations, having failed to deliver, the Israelis can say that they have cooperated with the United States fully, so now they are free by the terms of their understanding with Washington to carry out strikes — something that would necessarily involve the United States.

The calm assumptions in major capitals that this is merely another round in interminable talks with Iran on its weapons revolves around the belief that the Israelis are locked into place by the Americans. From where we sit, the Israelis have more room to maneuver now than they had in the past, or than they might have in the future. If that’s true, then the current crisis is more dangerous than it appears......

As mentioned, the chances of the Russians imposing effective sanctions on Iran are nil. This would get them nothing. And if not cooperating on sanctions triggers an Israeli airstrike, so much the better. This would degrade and potentially even effectively eliminate Iran’s nuclear capability, which in the final analysis is not in Russia’s interest. It would further enrage the Islamic world at Israel. It would put the United States in the even more difficult position of having to support Israel in the face of this hostility. And from the Russian point of view, it would all come for free.

Ramifications of an Israeli Strike
An Israeli airstrike would involve the United States in two ways. First, it would have to pass through Iraqi airspace controlled by the United States... Second, the likely Iranian response to an Israeli airstrike would be to mine the Strait of Hormuz and other key points in the Persian Gulf — something the Iranians have said they would do, and something they have the ability to do. ....
the United States would be involved in any such conflict from the beginning. Given that, the United States might as well do the attacking. This would increase the probability of success dramatically .....

Moscow, the scenario is dismissed because the general view is that Obama is weak and inexperienced and is frightened of military confrontation; the assumption is that he will find a way to bring the Israelis under control.

It isn’t clear that Obama can do that, however. The Israelis don’t trust him, and Iran is a core issue for them."

posted by G, Z, & or B on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 at 6:05 PM; much thanks to the fabulous:

http://friday-lunch-club.blogspot.com/

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Why is Stratfor blatantly ignoring Obama's newfound (although IMO the result of months of behind the scenes collaboration with the UN to secure the auspicious timing) leverage with regard to the Goldstone report?

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What "leverage" @ the UN are you talking about? The Goldstone report has been dissed and dismissed by US UN amb Susie Rice just as Israel, in the person of Danny Ayalon, demanded.

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Are you joking? Israel was seeking a strong denounciation and rejection of the Goldstone report from the administration. State spokesman Ian Kelly's lukewarm "reaction" couldn't possibly be considered what Israel was hoping for. Specifically, the state department's willingness to engage the HRC on the discussion of the report.

Nor is there any mention of Israel's worst fear; that Goldstone's report might actually be debated in the upcoming UN and that the report's conclusions and recommendations might refer to further action.

I can't imagine Obama could be possibly trying to get Netanyahu to the table with no leverage whatsoever and expecting to succeed. And I have enough respect for Obama's intellect that I would believe him stupid enough to not accept serendipitously HUGE club that the Goldstone report offers him to get the Israelis to the table.

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Don't confuse political bluster with political cover. The Israelis got what they most desired, US efforts to dismiss, divert and isolate the Goldstone report to Geneva.

Leave the denunciations to the likes of Abe "blood libel!" Foxman.

Have you no sense of decorum?

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Well, Rosenberg, you missed it again. You can't read Barak. What Barak have said and ment is that Israel doesn't see the Iranian Nukes as "An Existential Threat" because there will be no any Iranina Nuke, if you read my lips and understand the roaming whispering........
. You never understood the Israelis!

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AIPAC IS BAD FOR DEMOCRACY!

How Lobby Controls US

'In the early 1960s, Sen. William J. Fulbright fought to force the American Zionist Council to register as agents of a foreign government. The council eluded registration by reorganizing as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. AIPAC has since become what Fulbright most feared: A foreign agent dominating American foreign policy while disguised as a domestic lobby.
Israelis and pro-Israelis object when they hear that charge. How, they ask, can we so few wield such influence over so many? Answer: It’s all in the math. And in the single-issue advocacy brought to bear on US policy-making by dozens of “domestic” organisations that now compose the Israel lobby, with AIPAC its most visible force.
The political math was enabled by Sen. John McCain whose support for all things Israeli ensured him the GOP nomination to succeed George W. Bush. McCain’s style of campaign finance reform proved a perfect fit for the Diaspora-based fundraising on which the lobby relies. Co-sponsored by Sen. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, this change in federal election law typifies how Israeli influence became systemic.
“McCain-Feingold” raised the amount (from $1,000 to $2,300) that candidates can receive from individuals in primary and general elections. A couple can now contribute a combined $9,200 to federal candidates: $4,600 in each of the primary and general elections. Primary elections, usually low-budget, are particularly easy to sway.
Importantly for the Diaspora, this change also doubled the funds candidates can receive without regard to where those contributors reside. A candidate in Iowa, say, may have only a few pro-Israeli constituents. When campaign support is provided by a nationwide network of pro-Israelis, that candidate can more easily be persuaded to support policies sought by Tel Aviv.
Diaspora-based fundraising has long been used by the lobby with force-multiplying success to shape US foreign policy. Under the guise of reform, John McCain doubled the financial resources that the lobby can deploy to elect and retain its supporters.
Fulbright was right. The influence-peddling process works like this. Candidates are summoned for in-depth AIPAC interviews. Those found sufficiently committed to Israel’s agenda are provided a list of donors likely to “max out” their campaign contributions. Or the process can be made even easier when AIPAC-approved candidates are given the name of a “bundler.”
Bundlers raise funds from the Diaspora and bundle those contributions to present them to the candidate. No quid pro quo need be mentioned. After McCain-Feingold became law in 2003, AIPAC-identified bundlers could raise $1 million-plus for AIPAC-approved candidates simply by contacting 10 like-minded supporters. Here’s the math: The bundler and spouse “max out” for $9,200 and call 10 others, say in Manhattan, Miami, and Beverly Hills. Imagine the incentive to do well in the AIPAC interview. One call from the lobby and a candidate can collect enough cash to mount a credible campaign in most congressional districts. From Tel Aviv’s perspective, that political leverage is leveraged yet again because fewer than 10 per cent of the 435 House races are competitive in any election cycle (typically 35 to 50).
Additional force-multipliers come from: (a) sustaining this financial focus over multiple cycles, (b) using funds to gain and retain seniority for those serving on congressional committees key to promoting Israeli goals, and (c) opposing any candidates who question those goals. “Jewish Achievement” reports that 42 per cent of the largest political donors to the 2000 election cycle were Jewish, including four of the top five. That compares to less than two percent of Americans who are Jewish. Of the Forbes 400 richest Americans, 25 percent are Jewish according to Michael Steinhardt, a key funder of the Democratic Leadership Council. The DLC was led by Jewish Zionist Sen. Joe Lieberman when he resigned in 2000 to run as vice president with Al Gore.
Money was never a constraint. Pro-Israeli donors were limited only by how much they could lawfully contribute to AIPAC-screened candidates. McCain-Feingold raised a key limit. The full impact of this foreign influence has yet to be tallied. What’s known, however, is sufficient to apply the Foreign Agents Registration Act. Of the top 50 neoconservatives who advocated war in Iraq, 26 were Jewish (52 per cent).
Harry Truman, a Christian Zionist, remains one of the more notable recipients of funds. In 1948, he was trailing badly in the polls and in fundraising. His prospects brightened dramatically in May after he recognised as a legitimate state an enclave of Jewish extremists who originally planned to settle in Argentina before putting their sights on Palestine.
That recognition was opposed by Secretary of State George C. Marshall, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the bulk of the diplomatic corps, the fledgling Central Intelligence Agency and numerous distinguished Americans, including moderate and secular Jews concerned at the troubles that were certain to follow. Not until 1984 was it revealed that a network of Jewish Zionists had funded Truman’s campaign by financially refueling his whistle-stop campaign train with $400,000 in cash ($3 million in 2009). To buy time on the public’s airwaves, money raised from the Israel lobby’s network is paid to media outlets largely owned or managed by members of the same network. Presidents, senators and congressmen come and go but those who collect the checks rack up the favors that amass lasting political influence. The US system of government is meant to ensure that members of the House represent the concerns of Americans who reside in congressional districts — not a nationally dispersed network (a Diaspora) committed to 
advancing the agenda of a foreign nation. Federal elections are meant to hold senators accountable to constituents who reside in the states they represent, not out-of-state residents or a foreign government.
In practical effect, McCain-Feingold hastened a retreat from representative government by granting a nationwide network of foreign agents disproportionate influence over elections in every state and congressional district. Campaign finance “reform” enabled this network to amass even more political clout — wielding influence disproportionate to their numbers, indifferent to their place of residence and often contrary to America’s interests.
This force-multiplier is now wielded in plain sight, with impunity and under cover of free speech, free elections, free press and even the freedom of religion. Therein lies the perils of an entangled alliance that induced the US to invade Iraq and now seeks war with Iran. By allowing foreign agents to operate as a domestic lobby, the US was induced to confuse Zionist interests with its own.'
Jeff Gates
A widely acclaimed US-based author, attorney and consultant

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RE: "...told AIPAC to fire Steve Rosen who, he (Rabin) knew, would use his dark powers"

MY COMMENT: Dark powers? Oh yeah, Mr "Nightflower" as Phil Weiss recently called him!

RE: "...Barak's statement is now on the record..."

MY COMMENT: No, no, no..."We create reality."

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