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UN on Israel's Crimes in Gaza

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Richard Goldstone who headed up the United Nations fact-finding mission in Gaza explains his conclusions in today's New York Times.

"In Gaza, hundreds of civilians died. They died from disproportionate attacks on legitimate military targets and from attacks on hospitals and other civilian structures. They died from precision weapons like missiles from aerial drones as well as from heavy artillery. Repeatedly, the Israel Defense Forces failed to adequately distinguish between combatants and civilians, as the laws of war strictly require.

I"srael is correct that identifying combatants in a heavily populated area is difficult, and that Hamas fighters at times mixed and mingled with civilians. But that reality did not lift Israel's obligation to take all feasible measures to minimize harm to civilians."

I am not sure one needed an international investigation, and a massive report, to document war crimes in Gaza. It was all in the media for those interested in such things. But I suppose this one will serve one purpose. The Israelis now cannot credibly claim that there army did not commit war crimes. (Hamas did too, but to little effect.

More important than the war crimes that took place nine months ago is the fact that millions of Gazans are being tormented by Israeli policies today. Absolutely nothing has improved in Gaza since the IDF leveled the place last year and winter is coming.

The blockade continues. Israel allows no construction material into Gaza so school kids are sitting in classrooms without windows. The sanitation system was destroyed in the Israeli onslaught so that raw sewage is dumped directly into the sea, destroying the fishing industry and sickening kids throughout the enclave. Essentially the entire infrastructure of Gaza has been destroyed and we can't do a thing about it (the Israelis and their defensive line in Congress won't allow it).

Read the section about Gaza in this report by Bill Corcoran of ANERA, the American relief organization, who just returned from a visit there.

It is sickening. I need to remember -- and so do you -- that while we focus on preventing an Iran war, we can't forget about Gaza. Yes, I know that it has a rotten Hamas government. So what. We provide relief to people even in the most totalitarian places on earth. The only reason Gaza is treated differently is because we are deferring to the Likud government which is indifferent to thie suffering Israel created. The Obama administration should not be, but so far it has done nothing about Gaza.

It might help if Obama would appoint a USAID administrator. He or she could fight to end this vicious insanity. But right now no one runs USAID. Why not?


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You say: "It might help if Obama would appoint a USAID administrator. He or she could fight to end this vicious insanity. But right now no one runs USAID. Why not?"

Because we haven't figured out a way to simultaneously help the Palestinians and totally absolve the Israelis of blame.

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Absolutely nothing has improved in Gaza since the IDF leveled the place last year and and winter is coming.
What's a moron. First of all, the IDF leveled few percents of houses in Gaza, second Gaza is not in Siberia, third, Israel doesn't control all borders with Gaza. Check the maps. Notice, a small country, named Egypt right there.
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Yup, life in Gaza is just dandy, I'm sure.

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Not really. The blockade by Egypt continues.

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The Zionists have found a friend in the human rights abusing dictator of Egypt. Birds of a feather....

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So why don't we here more about Egypt genocide against Palestinian people?

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I'm happy to condemn Egypt's barbarity with equal measure as Israel's. Welcome to the struggle, AnnaA.

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The blockade by Egypt which Israel demands Egypt enforce.
I don't get Anna. She can't stand our President and believes nothing he says.
But Bibi, well, that's a whole other king.
I get it. You feel about your guy the way I feel about mine. Except....you live here.

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I don't believe any politicians. When their lips are moving they are spinning. Always. Obama is no different than Bush. It doesn't mean that what they are trying to archive is always wrong, but they are always lying. You also are always lying. Always and shamefully. You just admitted that during primaries you accused Clinton in racism just because you didn't like her approach to the I/P conflict.

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You say, "You also are always lying."

If true, why do you bother?

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A good question:http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/09/14/is-it-wishful-thinking-or-lying/

Here's a question: if I went out and made a claim I believed but no one else thought possible - that a greyhound could outrun a cheetah, for example - would that be considered a lie or just naive, wishful thinking?

The reason I bring this up is because Bob Herbert made a rather astonishing admission about President Obama's health care plan in his column on Saturday:

The president also said, as he estimated the cost of his proposal at $900 billion over 10 years, that he “will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits — either now or in the future.”

I'm sure he means it. But I have not spoken to anyone, either on Capitol Hill or elsewhere, who believes that is doable. (emphasis added)

So Obama's assertion he can expand coverage and care without adding a dime to the deficit over the next ten years is, by the admission of even one of his most ardent supporters, a claim that virtually no one believes. Generically speaking, when someone makes a claim that no one believes it's characterized as lie

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Israel today stands accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Using civilians as human shields to terrorize the population, being one such horrific allegation.

The U N Human Rights Commission report today recommends that the Security Council take this matter before the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague.

It is taken for granted that the Obama Government will not seek to protect alleged war criminals by allowing LOBBY GROUPS to exert pressure on it to use its VETO to frustrate international justice, the rule of law and democracy.

That would be condoning war crimes, an act from which no government could recover.

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Hamas today stands accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Using own civilians as human shields to terrorize the population, being one such horrific allegation.

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What sandbox did you crawl out of? Do you think "I know you are, but what am I" is a form of argument?

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youTube: Long Live Palestine.

how come we don't hear any rappers celebrating/justifying the israeli occupation?

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maybe AnnaA could do a rap video on the occupation. how about it AnnaA?

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It's funny, but I can't find anything anywhere on this site about the ACORN controversy. What's up with that?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jxhq8CPN8LdLntDEDtE5NrEBQ2IgD9ANCH580

WASHINGTON — The Senate voted Monday to block the Housing and Urban Development Department from giving grants to ACORN, a community organization under fire in several voter-registration fraud cases.

The 83-7 vote would deny housing and community grant funding to ACORN, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

The action came as the group is suffering from bad publicity after a duo of conservative activists posing as a prostitute and her pimp released hidden-camera videos in which ACORN employees in Baltimore gave advice on house-buying and how to account on tax forms for the woman's income. Two other videos, aired frequently on media outlets such as the Fox News Channel, depict similar situations in ACORN offices in Brooklyn and Washington, D.C.

The Senate's move would mean that ACORN would not be able to win HUD grants for programs such as counseling low-income people on how to get mortgages and for fair housing education and outreach.

Sen. Mike Johanns, R-Neb., said that ACORN has received $53 million in taxpayer funds since 1994 and that the group was eligible for a wider set of funding in the pending legislation, which funds housing and transportation programs.

Just last week, the Census Bureau severed its ties with ACORN, saying it does not want the group's help in outreach efforts on the decennial count

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I don't know. Did the USG give ACORN more money than we gave to Halliburton and Blackwater?

MJ generally doesn't discuss Sarah Palin's Views on Science, Rush Limbaugh's oxycontin addiction, and the on-going feud betwen Jennifer and Angelina.

Life is all about setting priorities. Thanks for laying out yours.

P.S. What else did Glen Beck ask you to post about today?

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Obviously, the full-court press by the GOI and her dear friends to discredit the UN report that MJ finds superfluous is proof enough that there is great fear that it will further isolate the light unto nations.

No one is seriously concerned that the UN Security Council will refer the matter to the ICC; our automatic veto will take care of that possibility. In fact, it's dubious that the UN SC will even be allowed to consider the Goldstone report.

Lawyer types considering possible concrete reactions to the report believe that the greatest danger lies in lawsuits being filed (in countries that allow them) against Israelis involved in the Chanukah War

While the GOI "leadership" is reportedly making phone calls to the heads of foreign governments begging them to publically denounce the report, the fact that a South African Jewish judge heads up the investigation makes that scenario unlikely. Although, I won't be surprised if Susie Rice and other Obama spokespeople/functionaries do express "concerns" that Israel is being unfairly singled out. That would be par for the well-played out American course.

From Arutz Sheva:

Israel to Launch Diplomatic Offensive Over Gaza Report

Reported: 22:10 PM - Sep/15/09
Follow Israel news briefs on and .

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Israeli officials will engage in extensive diplomacy to deflect the consequences of the Goldstone panel report, diplomatic sources said Tuesday night. President Shimon Peres, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman will be manning the phones already on Wednesday, speaking to world leaders and foreign ministers, and asking them to publicly condemn what Israel called a one-sided report, which emphasizes alleged Israeli "war crimes," but takes a softer line on rocket attacks on southern Israel by Gaza Arab terrorists.

"This is going to be a long diplomatic and legal battle," one Israeli diplomat said Tuesday. "We will work with our friends around the world, especially the U.S., in order to prevent the isolation of Israel," the diplomat said.

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Doesn't this make one of MJ's prior points on the indispensability of the USA to Zion:

"This is going to be a long diplomatic and legal battle," one Israeli diplomat said Tuesday. "We will work with our friends around the world, especially the U.S., in order to prevent the isolation of Israel," the diplomat said.

The US has to "prevent" the isolation of Israel.

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i just watched the interview on PBS with judge goldstone. he came across as impartial and took seriously the job that he was tasked with. this interview was followed by the israeli us amabassador michael oren. i usually change the channel when i hear the hasbara spin but decided to watch. the ambassador was one talking point after another. for anyone familiar with the I--P dynamics it was spin, cycle, and repeat.

i find it interesting that when there is an atrocity committed by hamas, for example, the total focus is on the hamas atrocity without mention of the atrocities that israel commits and without any equal time given to the palestinian view. however, when there are israeli atrocities the presentation always has to be balanced by pointing out the other side's atrocities and give an hasbara spokesman equal time.

welcome to planet hasbara.

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Did you find interesting how atrocity committed US in Afghanistan or Pakistan against Taliban are presented by NPR? Does American spokesman get equal time?

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how many hasbara points did you collect today?

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You lost

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AnnaA, you lost your soul!

'AnnaA' in my book you are a phony jew. any jew who defends the oppression of a people and justifies it is a phony jew.

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You lost your argument

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Tovarich mythbuster, help me out. Compare Anna's writing to previous Hasbara-niks. Who did she/he used to be. The guy from Moscow. What was his name. She is him!

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Thank you Rosie, for the insight into your limitation. I know how important it is for you to solve the world issues along with saving the polar bears. How about taking a look at ACORN your President's grass roots orginization. Or maybe you are just to important in the 'blog nut nation' to care what is happening in the black neighborhoods.
ps You are wrong about me being a white guy, but thanks, in my neighbornood I was called 'Nigger' and I was very proud to be that.

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The findings from this enquiry leave so much wriggle room for Israel the outrage from the Israel First and the media crowd is a joke.
This is what Goldstones daughter told an Israeli paper.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1115017.html
"Had Richard Goldstone not served as the head of the UN inquiry into the Gaza war, the accusations against Israel would have been harsher, Goldstone's daughter, Nicole, said in an interview conducted in Hebrew with Army Radio on Wednesday.
She added that her father wrestled with the decision to take on the task. "It wasn't easy [for him]," Nicole Goldstone said. "My father did not expect to see and hear what he saw and heard."

Nicole Goldstone, who currently lives in Canada with her family, told of her great love for Israel. "Every time I dream of returning to the country or that my son will one day immigrate there," she told Army Radio. "Israel is more important to me than anything. I'm not there at the moment, but my heart is always there."

I doubt anyone wanted to believe Goldstone's placement on this enquiry was a put up job though anyone reading through the findings now knows something is way off here, despite the belicose playing out in mainstream media. On reading Goldstones daughter it's another smack in everyone else's collective faces that if any non Jew had made this charge against Goldstone, a Zionist himself, before he headed this enquiry or now, there would have been calls for careers to end. Jews themselves can admit such loyalties that corrupt publicly and no questions asked much less an enquiry. The stakes are higher than one communities sensitivities/hasbara and still no one says a darn thing.

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We provide relief to people even in the most totalitarian places on earth. The only reason Gaza is treated differently is because we are deferring to the Likud government which is indifferent to thie suffering Israel created. The Obama administration should not be, but so far it has done nothing about Gaza.

That is not true. Most often, the US creates the suffering for which other people provide relief. Just in the last few years, millions of displaced persons and refugees in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia as a result of US trying to shape other societies for the benefit of our dear corporations. In Somalia, just as one example, U.S. "relief" consists on paying the Ethiopian army to keep the civil war going. In Pakistan the US is paying the Pakistani army for creating refugees. Sweden spends about five time comparatively on foreign aid, not to mention that the bulk of US foreign aid is assistance to US corporations masked as development or disaster relief.

Nor does this have anything to do with a "Likud government." Ehud Barak and Labor are part of the government. Now maybe your memory is different than mine, but I don't remember Shimon Peres, or anybody else from Labor arguing against the massacres in Gaza that Goldstone investigated. I do remember some Israeli "leftists", most importantly David Grossman, writing op-eds in the U.S. at the beginning of the massacres justifying war crimes and calling for talks.

And of course, you don't think war crimes are that important. So somebody ordered a massacre! Big deal! Let bygones be bygones! Why focus on the war crimes of the past when Gabi Ashkenazi is already planning the war crimes of the future, which, when they do happen, you will make the same argument, that punishing the criminals is not as important as forging ahead with peace?

Of course you are right in theory that punishing the criminals is not as important as protecting today's and tomorrow victims. But the only way to
do it is to put the fear of God, or at least the fear of the prosecutor, into the heart of Israeli politicians and generals. That means all the possible pressure on Israel. That means investigating, appointing special tribunals, calling the UN to investigate, calling every country to investigate under "universal jurisdiction," opening civil courts for damage claims, asking the ICC to investigate and to indict, etc.

But you wouldn't want to go that way, because that might actually work, or more likely, it will make you unemployable.

Better call for a new government in Israel with Tzipi Livni and Ehud Barak. That would solve everything and bring peace on earth.

Until the next massacre.

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"More important than the war crimes that took place nine months ago is the fact that millions of Gazans are being tormented by Israeli policies today."

Yes, millions of Gazans. The fact that there are only 1.5 million Gazans total doesn't really matter when you're an anti-semite making up things to attack the Jews.

The UN report is the vilest sort of anti-semitism imaginable. And I think all decent people know it. It won't hurt Israel at all, but I think it will severely damage the credibility of the UN and lead a lot of people to wake up and realize the extent of the hatred they're spewing.

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