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Levi Tells All: The End of Sarah Palin

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August is over, thank God. For Democrats, it was the month from hell.

But things are looking up.

In the upcoming Vanity Fair, Levi Johnston tells all (or as much as he knows) about his almost in-laws and they are more utterly hypocritical than even I imagined.

Palin won't survive this because -- no matter how you cut it -- this teenager is infinitely more credible than Palin. He has no reason to lie. He can sell a book even if he told how wonderful the Palins are.

My favorite part. I was one of those (like Andrew Sullivan) who thought that baby Trig was not Bristol's but Sarah's. My friends said I was a conspiracy nut. And, it turns out, I was wrong. Trig is Sarah's but Sarah tried to get the kids to agree to pretend that Bristol's kid, Tripp (the one she had with Levi) was Sarah's too, to avoid bad press on a pregnant Bristol.

So I was only kind of wrong.

Not every horrible thing we believe about the right is correct. We may be off by 5-10%.

There is a lesson in this for us all. Do not mess with a 19 year old jock. He or she definitely will get you back. And another thing: this is America. The hunky teenager will prevail. With the kind of agent who got him into Vanity Fair, he'll leave the Palins in the dust. Besides, we MSM liberals are rooting for him. The kid can't lose.

PS If this issue intrigues you, check this out.


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You betcha.

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What I don't think you realize is that the people who actually support Palin don't care about any of this stuff... That is precisely the scary thing about Palin... not so much Palin herself... her supporters are the ones that are scary.

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I agree. I don't think this affects her at all. Her supporters know and accept that their leaders live under different rules. Just look how easily they accepted her unmarried pregnant teenage daughter. If the Christian conservatives were honest about their moral outrage, that should have ruined her politically as soon as it came out. It didn't, not even when it came out that her daughter got pregnant in her mother's own house because she let her boyfriend sleep over. Look how no one said a thing after the election when Bristol and Levi called off the wedding. That little fact screams that the whole thing was arranged for political reasons, yet not one conservative voice has noted this abuse of the sanctity of marriage.

The only thing that could harm Sarah Palin politically is if she grew a conscience. Or got caught with a black man.

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The Bush/Palin Republicans want to make rules and a code of conduct for YOU! and they want to use the government to enforce it.

Their failed lives, lies or lack of morals is NOT your business or the governments.

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It's not the base, but the middle that is of interest here. These types of stories are important to get out to the middle, the Independents... who are the ones who determine the elections.

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Yes we are scary, and that's one reason you people aren't getting a public option. Boo.

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David,

exactly. I have a friend who's a right winger of the worst sort, talking politics with him is a lesson in futility. If Obama or a Democrat said the sky is blue he would look up and say its green......and believe it. This is what the Palin sycophants are.

He has an answer for everything and that's how they operate; say something, anything, it can even defy logic or reality, but say something then walk away smug in that 'you told that Liberal.'

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how can you now say with confidence "trigg is sarah's?"

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seriously, i really want to know how you can now be so certain of palin's pregnancy in the face of mounds of circumstantial evidence that points to her daughter.

this vf story doesn't vindicate her; it further indicts her. we now know (if we didn't before) that she is crazy enough to fake a pregnancy on the national stage.

so please. enlighten me, sir...

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You know nothing, period. Since the 2 babies were born less than 9 months apart, and Bristol was clearly pregnant with Tripp, then she did not give birth to Trigg. Why is this even something that you would even care about? Just looking to smear her? Should we start posting made up stories smearing Obama's kids? Is that where we want political discourse to go? Screw ideas, let's just attack the kids! Yeah!

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i don't want to get in a back in forth with you on this. go to palindeceptions dot com or andy sullivan's site and you can read very reasonable questions about her story. i'm not saying there aren't some crazy folks that are obsessed with this story, i'm not saying they're wrong either.

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But what was she going to do about her own pregnancy with a Down's Syndrome child? Was she going to claim she got pregnant while she was pregnant? The babies were born about 8 months apart. Sarah's little brain cells must have been really spinning.

The Constant Weader at www.RealityChex.com

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One really slow twin.

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How does this make you a conspiracy nut?

"I was one of those (like Andrew Sullivan) who thought that baby Trig was not Bristol's but Sarah's."

Or did you write it wrong?

Anyhoo, Could it be that Trig is the son of the kid who was banished to Iraq? The mother could have been paid off and thereby remains silent.

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All of this is really too complicated. If you apply Occam's razor to this business, the official story looks quite plausible.

Sarah's and her daughter's sex lives are of no interest to me. What interests and frightens me is how Palin invents something like the "death panels" like she was baking cookies and it catches on like wildfire among America's numerous sons of the wild jackass.

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You don't really think she invented Death Panels do you? That phrase was poll tested for weeks alongside numerous others, then fed to her to drop as part of a coordinated plan to echo and repeat.

Nothing in politics happens by accident. You can take that to the bank - if it hasn't been eaten.

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if occam's razor means taking sp at face value, then, yes quite plausible.

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As someone who has been in the position of giving birth a number of times, I have to disagree on this: the official story is NOT plausible - at all.

A woman who doesn't show any signs of pregnancy (despite the facts that its her fifth child, she was very large with her 4th, and the baby was full weight) and who supposedly knew the child was special needs would not, and indeed could not as physically, travel for 10+ hours from Texas to a small town in Alaska, with a stopover in Seattle I believe, AFTER she started leaking amniotic fluid!, all the while never warning flight attendants of her condition and bypassing at least three hospitals with superior facilities along the way. It simply isn't going to happen - logically or biologically. The absence of a birth certificate makes it even more suspicious.

So, when I apply Occam's Razor, I wind up concluding that she either (1) made up the story about going into labor in Texas (Why? It is incredible on its face and even if believed serves no purpose except make her look like Wonder Woman) or (2) came up with all of that to sort of (poorly) explain why she got back to Wasilla such a rush, since she had to be there because the other woman went into labor. (And since the baby does have Down's Syndrome it's far more likely to be the child of an older woman, not Bristol.) Again, why? She would get just as many brownie points with the anti-choice crowd if she had simply openly adopted a special needs child whose mother didn't want it. But, of course, that wouldn't make her seem so much like Super Mom and Wonder Woman all rolled into one.

And I think your concern and mine are very much the same: a woman who could and would lie about something like this, to the point that she convinces herself and gets righteously indignant when questioned, is going to have no problem lying about "death panels" (or anything else that suits her agenda) and convincing herself and her followers that it's the absolute truth. That's what makes Palin so dangerous: she's very, very believable even when she's spouting utter nonsense. Which is why I'd really like pathological liars to keep a far distance from the White House.

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(And since the baby does have Down's Syndrome it's far more likely to be the child of an older woman, not Bristol.)

Um, no.

It is much more likely that a particular older woman who is already pregnant is more likely than a particular younger woman to be carrying a Downs baby.

However, since the vast majority of all babies are born to younger women, it turns out that most Down's babies actually have mothers who are in the younger age brackets.

So if you're looking at a particular DS baby, knowing nothing else about its parentage, odds are it has a younger mother.

Narrowing down the pool of potential parents to these particular two, one a teenager and one in her 40s, well, there are way too many variables to calculate meaningful odds. Like whether or not the candidate for motherhood was having regular opportunities to conceive - and I'll let the reader take Levi's input on that matter for whatever they think it is worth.;-)


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:crickets:

look, if you want to believe sp is the mother of that child, great. just don't make sweeping announcements you can't back up if you're going to play journalist...

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SO, I guess you are a 'Birther' right? I mean, how can journalists just claim Obama is a citizen, when some people claim he was born in Kenya? Where's the proof? Amazing you people can only see crazy on the right.

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I've seen Obama's birth certificate; the governor of Hawaii stands by it. I haven't seen Trig's.

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But just to let you know. I have three adopted children. Once the adoptions were legal, they were issued new birth certificates with my name and my husband's listed as parents. There is no way to tell from their "Certificates of Live Birth" that they weren't born to me.

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The difference, CVilleDem, is that the DATE OF BIRTH never changes on the birth certificate, be it a BC with the natural parent(s) listed, or you and yours as the adoptive parents.

That's the problem Sarah Palin faced. There was nothing she could do about a birth date for TriG that was weeks or even months before April 18, 2008.

So that's why she never countered the rumors about Bristol being pregnant in late 2007-early 2008 with a copy of TriG's birth certificate; all she could do was complain about the mean ol' media, the mean ol' Alaska and Outside bloggers, and parade her poor daughter in front of the world a year ago.

I simply don't understand why more people don't think this woman is evil incarnate.

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The proof has been presented repeatedly. Just because you choose to deny it doesn't give credence to your claim. What is your valid reason to doubt everything that's been presented thus far? Birth announcements, copies with the place of birth distributed, multiple bipartisan witnesses.

What do you think you'll find in the "long form"? And for that matter, do you even know what that is? Drop it, you lost.

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birther? please.

look at the available evidence. unlike obama's birth certificate, there is nothing that supports her pregnancy claims and everything including common sense points to her daughter.

if for the sake of decorum or decency or whatever, everyone wants to let her slide, great. just don't carry water for her by making false statements and definitely don't complain when you get called on it.

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No, moron. Nothing points to the daughter as Triggs mother. Since she gave birth again 8 months later, that would be a nice trick. Also the simple fact that Downs syndrome is much more common with mothers over 40 and almost unknown in teenage mothers.

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Just curious, Bull D. How old was your mother when you were born?

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MJ, we're happy to have you on our side.

I'd love to get your take on what happened with that Russian ship - the Arctic Sea. Were the pirates actually Israeli commandos? Were they captured by Russian forces? Did Peres fly to Russia to secure their release?

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WOW are you some kind of moron! How the hell could both babies be Sarah's when they are less than 9 months apart in ages? Not to mention the simple fact that Bristol was seen in public obviously pregnant with Tripp? How could they plan on hiding that? You are the typical brainless scum that is today's liberal.

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Don't know who you're ranting at, but I don't think anyone suggested that Tripp is Sarah's - if you read the post you'll see that Levi said Sarah offered to adopt him - who, exactly are you calling a moron? I think we all know that Sarah wasn't pregnant during the campaign.

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Actually, CVille Dem, Levi said Sarah offered to adopt "the baby" -- he never mentioned which of the two Palin infants he was referring to. Circumstances already well documented point to "the baby" being TriG, not TriPP. And I also think it's clear who the "moron" is, and it's not me or thee.

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I talking to the Blog author, who does try to give credence to the claim that Sarah was going to adopt Tripp to hide Bristol's pregnancy, ignoring that their births were too close and the obvious fact that she was not pregnant during the campaign. His entire blog is just sleazy personal attacks on Palin and her family. It has no place in politics.

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When you think about it, Sarah Palin endangered Trig from the get go by getting pregnant so late in life and not stopping her busy campaign schedule to care for her unborn and newborn child. Would like to see how this kid turns out.

She is not a good mother. Period.

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It really gets tiresome to read the puerile "projecting" namecalling by the right wing nuts on so many blogs.

Nevertheless, let me point out to you, notsocleverBulldog, that no one but members of the Palin/Heath/Johnston families know EXACTLY when either TriG or TriPP Palin were born. TriG may have been born in February 2008, or even in January 2008 -- and with careful scrutiny of pictures of TriG, those earlier dates are pretty likely, actually.

Those of us who have followed the Palin Saga skeptically for the past year realize that dates of birth or other "verification" has only come from statements by Palin or people under her thumb -- her (possibly willing) aides and staff, her friend and physician Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, and relatives as far away as Washington State who were no where near either child when they were born.

We also realize that not very much Sarah Palin has said in the past year of living dangerously in the national public eye has been truthful.

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GOOD GOD you are dense!!! First off, why do you or anyone care? Second, why would you be skeptical about when Trigg was born? There were announcements at the time, and what the hell difference would it make, why would she lie? You nut jobs get all wacko conspiracy theory about something totally irrelevant like when Bristol's baby was born, but call people who question Obama's birth 'birthers' and nuts. Well, I don't care when Obama was born either, or where, since his mother was a US citizen it doesn't matter. But why do you kooks care about Palin and her kids? Just plain sleazy politics, if you can't attack them on issues, attack their family. Pathetic.

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Stop projecting, notsocleverBulldog. No one else is dense, here. You've already lost all credibility with your namecalling, but I'll try to enlighten you anyway.

Why would she lie? No one really knows WHY, but Sarah Palin has been lying her way through her entire adult life. It's well documented. There's a nice little compilation of them here: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/the-odd-lies-of-sarah-palin-a-roundup.html

It was updated in July, but it's already out of date...

And who really cares about ANYTHING involving Sarah Palin's family...but for the fact that SHE is the one who's presented lies about them to the nation (us), SHE is the one who blared the news about Bristol's (second) pregnancy, SHE is the one who carried the unnaturally snoozy Trig around on stage at such a young age, SHE is the one who incessantly put out press releases on her official state web site attacking Levi Johnston only a couple of months after defending his work and education status -- truly bizarre.

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Palin won't survive this because -- no matter how you cut it -- this teenager is infinitely more credible than Palin.

And he's definitely more credible than M.J. Rosenberg.

What a ridiculous post!

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Palin won't survive this

Depending on how you want to define "survive", I'd bet a lot that you are wrong.

Nothing to do with Levi Johnston's credibility etc, just don't see that Palin's political standing with her base will be remotedly affected by this article.

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Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but I have never believed, and don't think I could be made to believe, that Baby Trigg is Sarah's - not if her account of the water breaking/travel/delivery is to be credited. I'll spare you the details, but I've given birth three times and it simply does NOT happen the way she claimed. Nor do you look like the side of a barn with your 4th pregnancy and barely show for the 5th. There are simply some physiological facts that can't be talked around or "charmed" away.

So, either

1) SP is lying about how she gave birth in order to make it a more exciting, awe-inspiring story but being really, really, really dumb about the lies she tells
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2) she's lying about the fact that she gave birth and the identity of her own child, which moves her into the pathological category.

Laugh away and point fingers if you want, but I think it's very legitimate (or at least was during the campaign) to have reservations about our country being led by someone who is either a pathological liar or a non-pathological but really, really, really dumb liar. She's hidden behind the "how dare you question my family or intrude into my privacy" quite successfully and most people have bought it. But to my mind the, shall we say, "truth-telling habits" of a presidential or vice-presidential candidate are always very relevant and very important. (Seriously -- don't you want to know how willing they are to lie and, damnit, how smart they are about it if/when they decide to lie!?)

Disagree with you on one point, MJ. There is no reason to conclude from the known facts that Trigg is her son. In response to the accusations that he was not her son and further speculation that therefore he must be Bristol's, she responded only by proving that he couldn't be Bristol's ("Look -- go stare at my teenage daughter -- see, she's already pregnant with her own baby.") But that doesn't rule out the possibility that she could have arranged to adopt-and-pretend-it's-her-own the child of someone else, perhaps especially if she found someone who was going to have a Down's Syndrome child that they weren't going to keep or were planning to abort. After all, what's a better campaign prop than a special needs child that you courageously decided to accept and cherish? (And I do give her credit for that part, no matter who his mother may be.)

So Sarah was willing to shove her daughter in front of the cameras to refute the rumor (not absolutely necessary; one of John Kerry's stepsons was 'off camera' for the entire campaign and it was no big deal). But she hasn't been willing to produce a (dare I mention it?) *birth certificate* for Trigg, or allowed a doctor or nurse who was there at the delivery to be interviewed, or taken any other steps to prove that Trigg is hers. If he was someone else's, then she would have needed to be in Wasilla he was born -- thus explaining the mad rush across the country from Texas, where she went past many hospitals while she was, supposedly, already in labor with a special needs child.

In fact, depending on the timing of things, Levi's story could just provide additional reason to believe that she might have concocted a plan to claim someone else's baby as her own. I mean, if he's telling the truth, she'd already established thought about doing so and decided she was willing to do so .... and it's a much shorter jump to "well, if I can't claim Bristol's, maybe I can find someone else's." than it is to come up with the scheme in the first place. (Sort of a variant on the "Madam, we've established that you're willing to, the only question is your price.")

Thank God we were spared having this person representing our country or so close to the Oval Office .... but until she gives up all ambition to be a leader of my country, I'm not going to give up my still-strong suspicion that she was lying through her teeth, stupidly so, about Trigg. And if she would lie about that, what would be off limits?

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On the other hand you'll happily support people like Pelosi, Rangel, Reid, and assorted other documented liars instead? Tsk.

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And I suspect you have no idea who I happily -- or unhappily - support.

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I'm with you. I think Sarah was not pregnant with Trig, and my guess is that he is the child of the son who got banished to Iraq and that the child's mother was silenced with $$$.

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Thanks Elizabeth for writing this, I don't think I could have put it together quite like you did. Although, I won't go so far as to say she adopted someone elses baby all signs point to Trig being Bristol. If she had nothing to hide she would've released Trig's birth certificate, and not waited until the night before to drop off her sham of a Dr.s not on 11/3/08.

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Maybe she is waiting for Obama to release his! HAHA! Funny you don't question him, or mind about Biden and his famous lying/plaigerism, but get all goofy over Palin and her kids. How do you explain that the 2 babies are 8 months apart? A preemie? Seriously? What kind of fruitcakes are you people? Why do you care about this, why is it an issue? It was entirely concocted by weirdo leftwing bloggers to smear this woman. They didn't count on Bristol being pregnant at the same time, that screwed up their little smear campaign. Yet you loonies still go for it. I think it's time we on the right start attacking Obama's kids, how about that? Pathetic.

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Yawn. Obama's birth certificate has been released -- by the State of Hawaii no less. Biden's so-called "plagarism" is used in ethics classes as an example of something sometimes called plagarism which ISN'T. --- I'm not suggesting that the two babies had the same mother, only that Sarah Palin is not the mother of either child. -- And I care very much that someone who may be a pathological liar -- even worse a *gratuitious* pathologcial liar (meaning there was no reason TO lie) -- and stupid to boot (since it's such a bad and clumsy lie) got as close as she did to the Oval Office. I don't feel this makes me a fruitcake in any respect. You, of course, are entitled to your opinion.

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I'm glad you're back. I wanted to apologize for encroaching on your handle. I must have had the image in mind from seeing your name here earlier.

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Nothing surprises me about these hillbillies!

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No point in going to Palin Deceptions as Audrey isn't discussing the Levi Vanity Fair interview.

Go here if you want a reasonable up-to-date point of view.

palingates dot blogspot dot com

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Patrick, a Palin'sDeceptions researcher, has weighed in with his opinions at Palingates. Audrey doesn't have to say anything.

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If you read the comments section you will find some people beating up on Levi for going public with his story. You'll also find those who say they will never believe him and challenge everything he says. I know, it is crazy, but to think that this story will somehow dissuade the radical Sarah followers is delusional, at best.

I truly wish that the media would remove the spotlight from this most undeserving woman. She cannot win the presidency because independents will not vote for her, nor will centrist Republicans. She appeals ONLY to that nutcase 28% that followed Bush to the end.

A more deserving and relevant story, and a lesson in history is the one on Jackie Kennedy and the book regarding the Kennedy assassination.

Excerpt:

Manchester [the author of the book] also discovered that Dallas “had become the Mecca for medicine-show evangelists … the Minutemen, the John Birch and Patrick Henry Societies, and the headquarters of [ultra-conservative oil billionaire] H. L. Hunt and his activities.”

“In that third year of the Kennedy presidency,” Manchester wrote, “a kind of fever lay over Dallas country. Mad things happened. Huge billboards screamed, ‘Impeach Earl Warren.’ Jewish stores were smeared with crude swastikas.…Radical Right polemics were distributed in public schools; Kennedy’s name was booed in classrooms; corporate junior executives were required to attend radical seminars.” A retired major general ran the American flag upside down, deriding it as “the Democrat flag.” A wanted poster with J.F.K.’s face on it was circulated, announcing “this man is Wanted” for—among other things—“turning the sovereignty of the US over to the Communist controlled United Nations” and appointing “anti-Christians … aliens and known Communists” to federal offices. And a full-page advertisement had appeared the day of the assassination in The Dallas Morning News accusing Kennedy of making a secret deal with the Communist Party; when it was shown to the president, he was appalled. He turned to Jacqueline, who was visibly upset, and said, “Oh, you know, we’re heading into nut country today.”

Manchester discovered that in a wealthy Dallas suburb, when told that President Kennedy had been murdered in their city, the students in a fourth-grade class burst into applause. For Manchester, who revered Kennedy, such responses, encountered throughout Dallas, were deeply offensive and would influence the book he was about to write.

--Sound familiar to anyone?

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Yes. Chillingly familiar. I don't trust the Secret Service to keep Obama safe, either.

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I trust the Secret Service to do everything humanly possible to protect Pres. Obama but, as JFK himself said, it is pretty difficult to stop someone who is truly committed. -- It was as ugly as described (although I don't recall even then guns being carried openly to public meetings). There was so much hate toward the Kennedys in the South - both JFK and RFK -- that most stunning shock of the assassination was that the killer had had leftist leanings. ----------- I just find myself thinking over and over,like a mantra, that Teddy died of natural causes in his own bed. For so many, including possibly Teddy himself, it seemed back then that it was just a matter of time before someone got him also.

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Well, if you think Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy, you have a lot to learn.

Why did George Bush get to sit for about a half an hour in a classroom in Florida after the 911 attacks? I don't know the answer, but I can tell you the Secret Service should have taken his ass out of that school and put him in a bomb-proof vehicle and gotten him post-haste to Air Force One. Did they KNOW for a FACT that there weren't attack squads all over the US, hitting important targets, like the WTC, the Pentagon, the PRESIDENT? Really, it is incomprehensible that the president was not removed from this vulnerable position that had been publicized that very day.


Sometimes when things don't make any sense it is time to sort of -- you know, question them.

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Agreed. Palin Pods dont give a dang about this stuff.
The more Palin looks´bad---and that is pretty much CONSTANTLY---the more they cling and clamor.

Sarah Plain-Tonya Harding 2012!

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Lets talk about the end of Sarah Palin....
and what a nice end it is !!!!

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