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Obama, Afghanistan-- and St. Augustine

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Pres. Obama gave a speech to the veterans of Foreign Wars annual convention on Monday in which he spelled out his view of the US's now-declining strategic stakes in Iraq and its continuing strategic stake in Afghanistan.

His words were considered and important.

On Iraq, he said,

In Iraq, after more than six years of war, we took an important step forward in June. We transferred control of all cities and towns to Iraq's security services. The transition to full Iraqi responsibility for their own security is now underway...
But as we move forward, the Iraqi people must know that the United States will keep its commitments. And the American people must know that we will move forward with our strategy. We will begin removing our combat brigades from Iraq later this year. We will remove all our combat brigades by the end of next August. And we will remove all our troops from Iraq by the end of 2011. And for America, the Iraq war will end.

By moving forward in Iraq, we're able to refocus on the war against al Qaeda and its extremist allies in Afghanistan and Pakistan....

From one viewpoint, of course, what the US military has been doing in Iraq has been moving back, not forward, despite all of Obama's uses of the term "forward".

It's forward, I suppose, if you understand that he means that the US has been proceeding with its commitments under the November 2008 Withdrawal Agreement. And his mention of the end-of-2011 deadline buttresses that interpretation.

Also, if he wants to describe-- for this presumably very nationalistic US audience-- this very necessary move out of Iraq as a move "forward", let him do so, I say.

And then, remembering what he has just said about Iraq, let's see what he said about Afghanistan. He described his administration's "new, comprehensive strategy" in Afghanistan in the following terms:

This strategy acknowledges that military power alone will not win this war--that we also need diplomacy and development and good governance. And our new strategy has a clear mission and defined goals--to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al Qaeda and its extremist allies.

... These new efforts have not been without a price. The fighting has been fierce. More Americans have given their lives. And as always, the thoughts and prayers of every American are with those who make the ultimate sacrifice in our defense.

As I said when I announced this strategy, there will be more difficult days ahead...

But we must never forget. This is not a war of choice. This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is fundamental to the defense of our people.

Steve Walt had an excellent critique of Obama's "war of necessity/ al-Qaeda safe haven" claim on his FP blog yesterday.

I want to take a slightly different tack. I want, first, simply to point out a few important things; and then I want to get more deeply into launching a "Just War theory" critique of the whole US military venture in Afghanistan.

So, the prefatory points I want to make:

1. Obama has made a significant and good shift from Bush's rhetoric on Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Bush and his military commanders used to talk about "destroying" AQ and the Taliba. Obama is talking about "defeating" them. This is welcome and long overdue. British military doctrine has always been about "defeating" the enemy-- a goal that can be achieved in a number of different ways. Most US doctrine since the Cold War has been about "destroying" the enemy-- a doctrine that strengthens the tendency to "bring in the big battalions" and leads to a general over-reliance on the use of naked force.

2. So the rhetorical shift has been good. But let's look at the contrast between what Washington (under both Bush and Obama) has done in Iraq and what Obama is still proposing to do in Afghanistan. In Iraq, under the political cover provided by talk of "surges" and such, the US military essentially started out cutting deals with the former insurgents by the liberal use of the money weapon. Then, the Bush administration quickly cut a deal with the Baghdad government-- which drove a pretty hard bargain and insisted that instead of Washington getting the open-ended SOFA it sought all that it ended up getting was an occupation termination notice with the fixed endpoint for complete withdrawal of December 31, 2011.

And the vast majority of people in both Iraq and the US seem very happy with that outcome. In the US, I am truly not hearing any talk about the fear that AQI people or other malcontents might "come over here and kill us in our beds." Though of course, there is a distrust of Iraqis-- all Iraqis-- in this country these days that is both deep and very wide. (Hence the tight restrictions on bringing many of them except with the strongest of credentials into the US as refugees... ) But still, there is no public talk here that the US's retreat "moving forward" in Iraq will worsen the security situation of Americans either at home, or elsewhere. I think that's significant.

Indeed, there is even talk in the US of pulling out the troops even faster than the Withdrawal Agreement mandates-- which might fit in very well with the proposals reported out of Baghdad that the election they're holding next January should be accompanied by a referendum on getting rid of all the occupying US forces much faster than the WA stipulates, possibly "forthwith."

... So can someone remind me again why it is assumed that the buying-off, deal-cutting-- including with some extremely violent, hostile, and unsavory characters-- and speedy troop-exit strategy that has been working so (relatively) well in Iraq should not be tried in Afghanistan?

I really don't believe it is because the AQ/Taliban people in Afghanistan are that much worse than the AQI and other former "bad guys" in Iraq who all got rebranded and befriended as the "Sahwa".

And I certainly don't believe that it's because Afghanistan, as a country, is "more vital" to supposed US "national interests" than Iraq.

I do have a sneaky suspicion that the reason Obama feels obliged to "stand and fight" in Afghanistan is because, as a relatively honorable man, he feels obliged to make good on the promises he made in this regard during his election campaign... And he made them then because, while he had a long and consistent record of opposing the US invasion of Iraq and wanting to see a speedy US exit from there, he most likely thought he needed to "cover his rear end" with a presumably nationalist and fairly militaristic electorate by saying, "Well, we'll pull out of Iraq but step up the fight in Afghanistan."

Being honorable in terms of fulfilling campaign promises is on the face of it laudable. But letting the concerns of his own political reputation get in the way of his ability to make a cool calculation of what is really best for America's citizens (including the members of the volunteer military), and for the chronically war-stressed people of Afghanistan, is another matter altogether.

My view of the engagement in Afghanistan is that it is already a disaster and it's perched on the brink of yet worse disasters.

3. And that's not just my view. Rory Stewart argued back in November that "Afghanistan does not matter as much as Barack Obama thinks." Now, he seems to be likening Pres. Obama's Afghanistan policy to a driver headed for a cliff.

And he made this important observation on the practice whereby policymakers frequently "consult" outside experts, along the way:

"It's like they're coming in and saying to you, 'I'm going to drive my car off a cliff. Should I or should I not wear a seatbelt?' And you say, 'I don't think you should drive your car off the cliff.' And they say, 'No, no, that bit's already been decided - the question is whether to wear a seatbelt.' And you say, 'Well, you might as well wear a seatbelt.' And then they say, 'We've consulted with policy expert Rory Stewart and he says ...'"

In that great FT interview, the plain-speaking and wise-ways-beyond-his-years Stewart also said:

"The [current US] policy of troop increases will look ridiculous in 30 years... They're not going to make America safer from al-Qaeda. The theory of state-building is suspect. I'm not sure that the state they aim for is conceivable, let alone achievable. We should be pursuing a much more conventional development strategy in Afghanistan. And, if you want to combine that with a Special Forces unit that would make things uncomfortable for Osama bin Laden, then so be it."

Except, of course, Bin Laden is far more likely to be in Pakistan these days than he is in Afghanistan, which raises another entire hornet's next of issues and concerns...

Well, as most of the reports and analysis on FP's new "AfPak channel" indicate, things really are not going well for the US in the region.

And now is, obviously, a particularly crucial time because Afghanistan is staging its national elections tomorrow. On the AfPak channel, even Kimberley Kagan, the usually ebullient cheerleader for the US military, tells us that "The Taliban are winning." (Peter Bergen apparently disagrees.)

And Gilles Dorronsoro reports from on the ground in Kunduz that, "There is no way to stop the Taliban if they want to attack polling stations and block the road. There are over 200 polling stations in Kunduz. A low turnout is to be expected from the Pashtun at least..."

So I really do think that it's a good time to take a step back and reapply the criteria of St. Augustine of Hippo's "Just War" theory to this whole US (mis-)adventure in Afghanistan.

Everyone who's been reading JWN a while will know I'm a Quaker, and therefore deeply convinced that all wars and all violence are both (a) wrong and (b) ineffective (or actively counter-productive) for securing real, lasting improvements in the human condition.

But whether I like it or not, the dominant philosophical/ethical tools that most westerners bring to bear on the question of whether any proposed military effort is justified are those derived from St. Augustine's early fifth century (CE) works articulating a theory of "Just War."

Okay, so maybe Augustine's work was a clear deformation, in some important ways, of the original, pacifist teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. But still, Augustine was operating from some solid understanding of the intrinsically inhumane nature of warfare (based on the wars that the newly Christianized Roman Empire had recently suffered from), as well as from a thorough understanding of Christian teachings. So what he says about the justifiability of war-making still has considerable resonance and relevance today.

Including in the continuing discussions of whether the US and its NATO allies really should continue their present, nearly eight-year-old war in Afghanistan, and if so, with what actual goal in mind.

I started to articulate some of these thoughts in a comment on this thread over at Registan yesterday. But then I thought this topic is one that deserves quite a lot more attention, so I'll start to give it some here.

The first thing to understand about JW theory is that, since it is based on Jesus's teachings, it is essentially very conservative in terms of when it says that any particular war is justified.

As most readers probably already know, classical JW theory has two major parts: Jus ad Bellum, or those justice/justifiability issues around the act of launching a war, and Jus in Bello, which are the justice issues around how a war may be fought. In the modern era, most Jus in Bello issues are pretty adequately covered by the whole body of international humanitarian law, also known as the laws of war, a body of treaty-based international law that has grown up over the past 160 years.

It is in the realm of Jus ad Bellum that international law is still silent. The states that negotiated the Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court did insert into it a clause that criminalized international aggression. But they were quite unable to come to any agreement on the definition of the "Crime of Aggression", so that clause of the Treaty remains inactive pending this agreement being reached. Thus, as of now, Rome and the ICC deal only with what are, essentially, Jus in Bello issues and associated atrocities like genocide and crimes against humanity.

Since the "international community" of states has not come to any agreement on the Jus ad Bellum issues, for guidance on them we are left to look to the various faith and other philosophical traditions from around the world to provide guidance on when the launching of a war can be considered morally (as opposed to "legally") justifiable. And one of the most robust and most widely used of these traditions is still the Christian tradition of Just War.

(Interestingly, some of the US intellectuals who have done the most work exploring the implications of JW theory in modern times have been Jewish-- like Michael Walzer, or Jean Bethke Elshtain. So if they can deploy these essentially Augustinian concepts in their arguments, why can't I?)

Wikipedia has a pretty good entry on Just War theory, which lays out the seven criteria any proposed war must fulfill if it is to be considered just.

Now, I know we are not talking about launching a US/NATO war in Afghanistan at this point. But Pres. Obama has already launched a significant escalation of the war effort there, and in our country-- and in many other NATO countries-- there is now a growing debate over (a) What the actual objectives of the war effort are, and (b) What price is worth paying to gain these objectives.

So this does now sound very like a reprised Just ad Bellum discussion. And anyway, as I argued over at Registan, you should be prepared to have a Jus ad Bellum discussion at any point throughout the war, and not simply in the run-up to it.

You could think of this as an opportunity for a sort of mid-course moral-issues check-in. Now, this kind of a check-in is probably not something that it's appropriate or even feasible to ask fighting generals and their officers to engage in. But it certainly is something that the citizens of a democratic state that's waging a war should be prepared to do at any point throughout the war, since we do, actually, bear all the responsibility for the war's continuation and for any harms (or benefits) that it may inflict on humankind.

So anyway, here are the seven JW criteria, as described by Wikipedia (but numbered by me):

1. Just cause: The reason for going to war needs to be just and cannot therefore be solely for recapturing things taken or punishing people who have done wrong; innocent life must be in imminent danger and intervention must be to protect life. A contemporary view of just cause was expressed in 1993 when the US Catholic Conference said: "Force may be used only to correct a grave, public evil, i.e., aggression or massive violation of the basic human rights of whole populations."

2. Comparative justice: While there may be rights and wrongs on all sides of a conflict, to override the presumption against the use of force, the injustice suffered by one party must significantly outweigh that suffered by the other...

3. Legitimate authority: Only duly constituted public authorities may wage war.

4. Right intention: Force may be used only in a truly just cause and solely for that purpose--correcting a suffered wrong is considered a right intention, while material gain or maintaining economies is not.

5. Probability of success: Arms may not be used in a futile cause or in a case where disproportionate measures are required to achieve success;

6. Last resort: Force may be used only after all peaceful and viable alternatives have been seriously tried and exhausted or are clearly not practical...

7. Proportionality: The anticipated benefits of waging a war must be proportionate to its expected evils or harms. This principle is also known as the principle of macro-proportionality, so as to distinguish it from the jus in bello principle of proportionality.

Now, these JW criteria clearly have a lot in common with the "Powell Doctrine"

Here's how Wikipedia describes the Powell Doctrine:

The Powell Doctrine states that a list of questions all have to be answered affirmatively before military action is taken by the United States: 1. Is a vital national security interest threatened? 2. Do we have a clear attainable objective? 3. Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed? 4. Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted? 5. Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement? 6. Have the consequences of our action been fully considered? 7. Is the action supported by the American people? 8. Do we have genuine broad international support? ... Powell has expanded upon the Doctrine, asserting that when a nation is engaging in war, every resource and tool should be used to achieve decisive force against the enemy, minimizing US casualties and ending the conflict quickly by forcing the weaker force to capitulate.

We could call this last addendum, "Criterion #9."
So you can almost immediately see the numerous similarities between individual criteria in the two checklists. Powell-9 is similar to the first half of JW-5. Powell-4 is almost exactly the same as JW-6... And so on.

At the broad macro-level, both theories are essentially conservative regarding when they conclude that waging a war would be indicated, though the grounds on which each set of criteria is based are very different: moral/theological reasoning versus a very utilitarian form of practical reasoning.

Both, however, it seems to me, are alike based on a thorough understanding that warfare is essentially harmful and inhumane-- and also, that it is essentially unpredictable, uncertain, and "foggy".

I think that was what really piqued my strong interest in the contributions that Andrew Exum (who has followed the Israeli interrogators' long-held habit of giving himself an "Abu" name: in his case, the ironic--or something-- "Abu Muqawama") has been making on this subject in recent days.

In a comment on that Registan post Exum wrote,

It's a matter of determining how much Afghanistan is worth to us. I do not have the answer there, but I will say that I'll be a lot more sympathetic to critiques of the war in 18 months time -- if there is no positive movement -- than I am now.

So what he's doing is admitting to current incertitude on the answer but saying, in effect, "So let's fight on for another 18 months and by that time I might have an answer for you."
I find this completely immoral. Exum served as a junior officer in, I think, Afghanistan, some years back. So I'm assuming he is well acquainted with (and I hope appropriately disturbed by) the harms that warfare inflicts on everyone who is in the war-zone, whether civilian or military.

So because he can't actually right now, figure out "how much Afghanistan is worth to us", he proposes that the US and its allies should fight on there for another 18 months so he can reach clarity on the matter. (You can see my response to him there if you scroll on down a bit.)

But it's in dealing with this question of lack of cognitive clarity on whether any particular war is worth fighting (or continuing to fight) that Augustine's (and Powell's) wisdom comes in.

Augustine, like Powell, knew that every war contains its own generally huge quota of cognitive fogginess. Hence the precautionary principle that he articulated. In the Wikipedia version, JW-5 is rendered as "Probability of success: Arms may not be used in a futile cause or in a case where disproportionate measures are required to achieve success." However, I think in the Augustinian original ithere was an even stronger application of the precautionary principle... something t the effect that, "Even if the casus belli seems compelling, you shouldn't launch a war unless you have a pretty strong certainty of winning."

This precautionary principle is, actually, rather similar to a combination of Powell-5 and Powell-9, with Powell-3 thrown in as an extra precaution, as well.

The justification for the precautionary principle here is that because war is by nature both (a) inhumane and (b) foggy regarding its course and its outcomes, then if you start a war where you have no clear and rationally understood chance of success, you risk getting drawn into a lengthy entanglement in which both your side and the other will, of necessity, be inflicting harm on other human persons... At which point the "compellingly just" nature of the casus belli for which you originally went to war itself become considerably muddied.

So Andrew Exum is currently unclear "how much Afghanistan is worth to us." (By the way, I join Registan's Joshua Foust in applauding Exum's frankness on this point.)

But given this lack of clarity, I think the only moral-- as well realistic-- thing to do is to apply the precautionary principle, rather than to advocate, as Exum does, that a further 18 months of fighting can make the answer clearer for him.

In my comment there, I described this as "reconnaissance by fire."

So at a policy level, what would application of the precautionary principle to the situation the US military faces in Afghanistan actually mean?

It would mean, first and foremost, that our president needs to start now exploring ways to move "forward" in Afghanistan in the same way we're doing it in Iraq, that is by getting out.

Yes, that exists as an option. Many, many other powers in the world would be happy to help a wise US president figure out how to do it.

All the other veto-wielding members of the Security Council's P-5 have strong stakes in Afghanistan-- two of them as fellow NATO members whose governments have a great fear of getting dragged down there; and two of them as neighbors or near neighbors of Afghanistan whose respective stakes in the stability of Afghanistan are, remember, exponentially stronger than the US's.

Most of the other neighbors of Afghanistan have similarly large stakes and would also be happy to help the US figure out how to withdraw.

And probably a large majority of the Afghan people would be happy to find a better way to rebuild their country than under the control of the hyper-armed and too often trigger-happy forces of NATO's culturally very distant countries.

So what are we Americans afraid of? What keeps us there? The fear of Al-Qaeda reconstituting its safe haven there if we leave? Really?

There are so many other ways to make sure that doesn't happen. Bring in JW-6.

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Read more at Just World News with Helena Cobban.


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I often read "Just World News", so I have no problem with the substance of this piece. Unfortunately, it is very over-written. Who cares if you are a Quaker? No one needs your intellectual masturbation regarding why it is alright for you to work with the just war theory. Your piece could have been at least thirty percent shorter. As a result, it could have been twice as good.

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Shorter is usually better, especially in blog posts. But thousands of lives -- American, Afghan, Canadian and others -- are at stake here.
Helena is just doing a little bit of the reflection that should have preceded the initial decision to conquer and refashion Afghanistan in our image.

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It could have been at least 90 percent shorter.

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And yours, 100% shorter.

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Excellent post, though as mentioned before, way too long. My main criticism is the condescending tone you take towards the military. Describing the VFW as "nationalistic" is obnoxious. A good friend once told me that a patriot is one who loves their country and a nationalist is one who loves their country at the expense of others. Pat Buchanan, Jean Marie LePen, Vladmir Zhirinovsky, Avigdor Lieberman, etc. are nationalists. Our veterans, the absolute overwhelming majority of whom fight honorably, are patriots. If you don't like the war blame it on the leaders that send them out on the battlefield.

Just like describing: "Kimberley Kagan, the usually ebullient cheerleader for the US military." She's part of the Heritage/AEI crowd, and when she's advocating backwards policies, she's no cheerleader (and not much of a friend) of the American soldier.

Who ever thought up the idea that Afghanistan could be a pluralistic democracy in the western definition? Is it possible? Probably not. Is that what the people of Afghanistan want? Probably not.

So why are we forcing a system on them that probably won't work and they probably don't want?

We had very good reasons to go into Afghanistan, just war theory supported them. But the objective should have been killing/weakening our enemies. Mission creep creeped in. We're going to remake Afghanistan in our image so this won't happen again. Obama is just as bad as Bush in thinking that we can change a country to make it more like us by the barrel of a gun. That's why he's ramping up the effort in Afghanistan. He believes it will work and that it's the right thing.

Very good point about the Taliban. In discussing the Taliban insurgents in Guantanamo I've told friends that if they had been in Iraq they'd be called the "Sunni Awakening or Sons of Iraq." An Afghan or Iraqi taking potshots at American soldiers, sure we should defend ourselves and shoot back or arrest that person, but that doesn't mean there's an equivalence between that person and those that committed 9/11.

Also, Brookings had a really good piece on how the Afghan elections are just as much if not more about our domestic politics: http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2009/0813_afghanistan_elections_shapiro.aspx

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Of course the audience at the VFW can be presumed to be "nationalistic". Show me any group of military vets who have joined such an organization that wouldn't be expected to hold those sentiments.

IMO, the liberal/"progressive" left has had an anti-military hangover dating from Vietnam. Since the collective military experience of those still harboring distrust is largely academic rather than direct, it lingers on and sometimes influences perspectives.

To this commenter, Helena's highlighting of Coindista Andrew Exum/Abu Muqawama is ironic. He was one of those picked to travel back to Afghanistan in order to help asess the situation for General McChrystal. Exum is one of the new breed of expert strategists/tacticians involved in the new approaches to conducting military operations. His advocacy of a timeframe is directly related to the changes afoot in our approaches in Afghanistan.

To provide context, I am re-posting relevent excerpts from the "junior officer" (served in Afghanistan in 2002 & 2004) Abu Muqawama's blog post on this issue:

When we started on the review for General McChrystal, we were asked to determine whether or not NATO could succeed in its mission. Our answer was "yes, but..." Yes, we can succeed in protecting the interests articulated by Steve -- and by the president in his own review. But many of us felt -- as I know General McChrystal feels -- that only a population-centric counterinsurgency strategy stands a chance of succeeding in Afghanistan. Other operational and strategic choices -- such as a counter-terror campaign designed to either decapitate or reduce transnational terror groups -- were not seen as viable in terms of protecting stated U.S. and allied interests. (Remember, General McChrystal and others among us have tried -- and failed -- to kill our way to victory in Iraq and Afghanistan.)

Exum also makes two cautionary critical points that should be embedded in the brains of those who are concerned and seeking to understand this daunting situation that confronts us:

I should also say, though, that, again, anyone who is a bit too confident in either their support for or criticism of the war in Afghanistan should be approached with wariness. Although my internet persona is often casually arrogant and impressed with himself, Afghanistan is a country and a conflict that rewards humility. Those who have spoken with me in person about Afghanistan know how deeply I feel that.

http://www.cnas.org/blogs/abumuqawama/2009/08/afghanistan-strategy-dialogue-my-thoughts.html

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Two comments:

Cobban writes:

So can someone remind me again why it is assumed that the buying-off, deal-cutting-- including with some extremely violent, hostile, and unsavory characters-- and speedy troop-exit strategy that has been working so (relatively) well in Iraq should not be tried in Afghanistan?

I really don't believe it is because the AQ/Taliban people in Afghanistan are that much worse than the AQI and other former "bad guys" in Iraq who all got rebranded and befriended as the "Sahwa".

I'm not sure this is really accurate. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that US dealmaking in Iraq was with local nationalist/Islamist "insurgent" groups, not with Al Quaeda in Iraq. Indeed, I thought the goal was to bring those parties into the fold in order to isolate AQI. If I'm right, this seems to undercut the idea that the situations are roughly analagous; it's not clear that the AQ/Taliban folks in Afghanistan are parallel to the AQI/Sahwa people in Iraq.

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I do have a sneaky suspicion that the reason Obama feels obliged to "stand and fight" in Afghanistan is because, as a relatively honorable man, he feels obliged to make good on the promises he made in this regard during his election campaign... And he made them then because, while he had a long and consistent record of opposing the US invasion of Iraq and wanting to see a speedy US exit from there, he most likely thought he needed to "cover his rear end" with a presumably nationalist and fairly militaristic electorate by saying, "Well, we'll pull out of Iraq but step up the fight in Afghanistan."

Damning indeed. There is nothing honorable about prosecuting a war because it is "honorable" to honor a campaign pledge made to cover one's rear end. No need to remind here that people - Afghan civilians and US troops - are dying. CYA political expedience is not a sufficient justification for war. It's really not much different than Bush.

During the campaign Obama pushed what had been the liberal line - that Iraq had diverted attention from the "real" front in the war on (instert descriptor here). I was never 100% sold on this - as Lally points out, Afghanistan is confusing and humbling place - but I believe he was sincere in this belief. Whether the US can accomplish its somewhat scaled back goals there - a relatively stable state, a modicum of governance, diminished capacity for use as a staging ground for terrorist attacks and destabilization of the region - remains to be seen. Whether those goals are worth the cost is an open question. Hopefully, we will learn this soon enough and reverse course if necessary. Though I have grave doubts, I believe Obama's intentions are not so cynical.

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Oops, the second paragraph was part of Cobban's quote.

I really don't believe it is because the AQ/Taliban people in Afghanistan are that much worse than the AQI and other former "bad guys" in Iraq who all got rebranded and befriended as the "Sahwa".
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There is a clear dichotomy between AQ and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Qaeda are mostly non-Afghan, they seek to fight jihad everywhere. Whether that's 9/11, fighting alongside the Taliban, Chechnya, or Iraq after the U.S. invasion, because they weren't there before. The hardcore Taliban under Mullah Omar are also a nasty bunch, but they're totally Afghan in origin and goals. Sure, they didn't cry on 9/11, but that's a lot different from having any involvement. Stephen Walt (who I'm not big fan of) had a good piece on this: http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/08/18/the_safe_haven_myth

Al Qaeda in Iraq is a lot more nebulous. They had a very limited presence in Iraq before the invasion, ironically Zarquawi was holed up in the U.S.-friendly Kurdish regions. The U.S. paid off the tribes in Anbar, etc. and various violent nationalist anti-American groups. These groups allied with the U.S. for the same reason that AQI lost a lot of support: AQI killed too many Iraqis and was dominated by foreigners. So while some AQI I'm sure defected/quit and some of the most violent groups also joined the government, I don't think the Zarquawi nucleus (much like the bin Laden/Zwahiri nucleus in AfPak) will ever be bought off. Though it would be nice.

I was always baffled that it was actually bin Laden that declared Iraq the front line of the war against infidels. Even though these guys have a long history of success in Afghanistan, they are Arabs and their heart is in the land of the Arabs, especially Saudi Arabia, which is right next door. It was a bad miscalculation, but they've picked up and they're back focusing on Afghanistan, Yemen and a few other promising places. We only stopped boasting of our small victory a few months ago and started moving forward.

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