The Neocons' White Hope: Cheney in 2012
Dick Cheney is running for President.
Why else is he refusing to go away, giving interviews, writing a book, and serving as leader of the disloyal opposition.
Why else would he be positing the idea that if another terror attack happens, it will be because President Obama and even George W. Bush strayed from his hardline policies.
If something happens, he wants to be the man on the white horse.
It makes sense too. The rest of the field is either inexperienced, inarticulate, a Mormon or just plain dumb. Objectively, he is best positioned to run (in a year the GOP is unlikely to win anyway).
Nor is he too old. In 2012, he will be the same age John McCain was in 2008.
If asked, of course, he will deny any interest in serving. But, of course, he's a notorious liar.
He wants to be President, needs to be, because, to his way of thinking, there simply is no one else who can do the job.




















He'll have the neocon vote sewed up, but he'll need a culture war conservative as a running mate to get the "values voters" on board. Let's see, who would be available? It can't be a Mormon. How about Sarah? Or Huckleberry Hound? Gary Bauer?
August 13, 2009 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dick Cheney - worst person in the world (every day)!!!
August 13, 2009 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheney has one final service to perform for his country: To lead the Republicans to defeat in 2012.
August 16, 2009 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
A third term...? Who will do the brush clearing, golf, goat book reading and the bike riding? What about Scooter?
August 14, 2009 12:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it really a third term if, as he so boldly asserted, the office of the Vice President wasn't technically an entity of the executive branch?
AND, while he was sworn in on January 20, 2001, Cheney always reminds us that his term didn't really start until September 12, 2001--you know, not until after the worst terrorist attack on American soil.
So he could fudge the facts in terms of well, term limits. What he may have trouble fudging is the massive blunder of retaliating against the wrong country after 9/11, plunging us into a decade long war in Iraq, and plunging the American economy into near darkness--leaving major banks practically insolvent, wiping out the U.S. auto industry, championing the least visionary energy policy on the planet, what else, oh, redacting most of the constitution, inspiring the slowest response to a natural disaster in modern civilization, and ushered in an era of unprecedented corporate and government agency corruption.
I don't know that anyone will ever top the supreme incompetence he brought to the White House.
August 14, 2009 3:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
It wasn't incompetence, it was deliberate. The beauty of his machinations is that he has convinced you, and many others, that it was incompetence.
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August 14, 2009 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think he THINKS he knew what he was doing--he would defend all his actions until the day he dies--but that's not intelligence.
That's severe denial. Deliberate denial, perhaps.
He tried to employ the warped unadaptable outdated unsustainable mid 20th century "U.S. superpower" mindset to the 21st century.
And he failed miserably.
August 14, 2009 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fantastic comment TPMGary. In a nutshell... Thank you for being so lucid.
August 15, 2009 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would be a dream come true for Obama and the DNC if Cheney did run in 2012. But at least he would be a natural-born citizen and have a real birth certificate.
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 14, 2009 1:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Grow a brain, will ya.
August 14, 2009 1:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem. All is ad hominem.
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 14, 2009 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
'Ad hominem' is now a response people use when they have nothing else to say...
August 14, 2009 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ah hominem is the response people use when responding to simple infantile name-calling in the place of reasoned debate.
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 14, 2009 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think, David, having read you just a little bit that there is no reasoning with you...at least not reasonably.
No one takes the birth certificate debate seriously except a few fringy types. Even McCain isn't taking it seriously.
Why don't you find a cause worth spending time on?
August 14, 2009 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because the cause is just: to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. This is not a question of how many believe what. It's my duty , as it is with every free citizen, to speak out when they believe their Constitution is in peril. Someday the truth will prevail, as it always does. I want to be sure I can say to myself when that day comes..."I told them so."
Let me tell you something else, this nation, each and every state, had better take this issue serious, because having an informal, or no formal procedure at all, when it comes to producing the necessary documentary evidence to be the President of the United States, is just asking for trouble somewhere later down the line. If Obama can get away with it, others will try as well. Without the institution of a formal qualification procedure, civil war could easy result over this issue alone, and that would truly be sad when a few simple state statutes in requiring a "certified" long-form birth certificate be produced in order to be placed on the state's ballot as a presidential candidate is all that it would require.
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 14, 2009 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why does it scare you that Barack Obama 'IS' our president? Is it because he is black? Because he is educated? Because he is not part of the pseudo-christian mafia and not under their mind-control programming as you appear to be?
How does it feel to be a tool of the pseudo-christian mafia David? To be used as a pawn by those greedy, rich, and powerful people who believe that they have been ordained by God to rule us? And they believe they are 'above' moral rules as well, clearly they don't believe fidelity is important except for appearances sake.
Do you understand that Doug Coe and other leaders that guide them appreciate and respect rulers like Hitler and Mao? When you try to peg that stuff on President Obama, you are barking up the wrong tree, you should just turn around and look at the people you are listening to on Fox etc.
Do you understand that they want you confused and afraid because then you are easy to manipulate? Do you understand that their goal is to amass more and more power and rule?
You watched Bush and Cheney... do you think they gave a damn about our constitution or liberties? I think not! If you really gave a damn about the constitution you would be demanding accountability for all of the violations of law that Bush and Cheney perpetrated.
Do you understand that they consider themselves above the law and do not care what we put in our 'legislation'?
Now 'those' are the people you 'should' be afraid of.
Those are the people who are destroying our democracy... and you inadvertently and possibly innocently are one of their soldiers, helping them with this agenda...
Did you know all of that?
You've got it all backwards.
President Obama is a citizen. I wrote to him and asked him to run for president when he was a senator. I am glad he IS president and I think it's time you changed your medication so you can deal with reality.
August 15, 2009 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are not a citizen, Farrar.
August 15, 2009 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
DF writes: Because the cause is just: to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. This is not a question of how many believe what. It's my duty , as it is with every free citizen, to speak out when they believe their Constitution is in peril. Someday the truth will prevail, as it always does. I want to be sure I can say to myself when that day comes..."I told them so."
Tintin: Well, I agree with your first part. Did you protest requiring a religious litmus test for working at the DOJ? The woman in charge copped to that charge before Congress. As to the truth coming out always, I doubt it. I think some things are buried past knowing. The passage of time. The lack of witnesses. The lack of enough people who care. The presence of plausible alternative explanations. Seems to me, the strange thing is that Obama's presidency should have raised suspicions in the first place. Because his father was Kenyan? Because he lived overseas for part of his life? I don't see any reason to doubt and the evidence I've seen--which you obviously find insufficient--seems quite sufficient to me.
DF writes: Let me tell you something else, this nation, each and every state, had better take this issue serious, because having an informal, or no formal procedure at all, when it comes to producing the necessary documentary evidence to be the President of the United States, is just asking for trouble somewhere later down the line. If Obama can get away with it, others will try as well. Without the institution of a formal qualification procedure, civil war could easy result over this issue alone, and that would truly be sad when a few simple state statutes in requiring a "certified" long-form birth certificate be produced in order to be placed on the state's ballot as a presidential candidate is all that it would require.
Tintin: This seems silly to me, though I have no problem a procedure requiring them to produce documents. The fact is no one else has been checked for lo' these many centuries, and we seem to have done fine. Even assuming for the sake of argument that Obama is pulling a fast one, we don't seem to be suffering any harm as a result. IOW, he's not a better or worse president because he was or wasn't born an American.
So, in what way, exactly, are we at risk of civil war? You really have to explain this. I don't think most people care. In fact, I'd like to see this requirement repealed and if it's honored in the breach, it's perfectly fine with me. I'd love to see Jennifer Granholm run and win. Maybe having a naturalized citizen-- someone who really appreciates the benefits of being an American and wasn't simply born into it--is the right way to go.
Also someone mercifully free of our cultural defects.
August 17, 2009 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reasoned debate? Yeah right troll....
August 15, 2009 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
You, David, are not enough of a man to warrant your calling a response "ad hominem".
August 15, 2009 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
David, what I wanna know is whether Obama is mostly saying he was born in Indonesia or mostly in Kenya? And if born to Talibans in both places, which one first? Also why would he give the Bush tax cuts to Al Qaeda? That's seems screwy to me. Please help.
August 14, 2009 6:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I glad you asked. I wish I could answer your questions, but you see, I can't. Obama has simply taken virtually all of his personal records out of the public domain, anything that might prove the self-aggrandizing nature of his phony autobiographies evident to all.
So, in short, when it comes to learniing anything about Obama past, including where he was born, your guess is as good as anybody else's.
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 14, 2009 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
But I appreciate your picturesque speculation, be assured. Enriching!
I heard that when Obama was scheming in Indonesia, they built secret mud-bridges between the islands to shuttle Al Qaeda back and forth and they hid all their records there too inside of sea snakes, so it's totally coming together for me, vivid mosaic. Thanks for your phone call, also, I agree that about everything you said about Michele and just waiting for it to hit the alternative press.
Stultus est sicut stultus facit
O.T.
August 14, 2009 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess that is why Obama is no longer the president.
lol
August 14, 2009 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
As Bill Maher says:
"There is nothing you can do to convince these people. You could hand them in person the original birth certificate with the placenta, and have a video of Obama emerging from the womb with Don Ho singing in the background and the still would not believe it."
August 14, 2009 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you kidding me? At one time, all Obama had to do is the same John McCain did when his honor was first being questioned. And as an honorable man, he immediately produced his birth certificate and all of this medical records, everything. Now let's contrast that to Obama's response.
Long before the election he steadfastly refused to publish his Hawaiian birth certificate, and set his campaign to work preventing virtually all of his college records from being published. There is an allegation they Obama was even involved in the government's U.S. Passport Division being compromised, but that's another story. What little we know has only been what has slipped through the cracks.
After his election, he produced what many consider to be a fake COLB. In any case, even the COLB that...not his campaign, mind you, but the owners of Fight-the-Smears dot com website... produced as "evidence" Obama was born in Hawaii, indicated that there was some information contained on this COLB that could not be independently verified by state officials.
So in a sense Maher was right, after all of this maneuvering, people are suspicious of Obama's motives and would now require a more complete response than what would have been called for in the beginning.
I have listed what I think would be an adequate response to solve this dilemma once and for all, to wit:
First: Release all of his educational records he is presently withholding, all federal records, including all previous passports issued, foreign or domestic, social security numbers that have been and are presently assigned to Barack Obama, Jr. or to any of his aliases.
Second: Allow his long form, Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth" document, to be examined by a panel of (independently assigned, one of which must be Dr. Polarik) forensic document/computer experts to the determine the document's authenticity.
Thirdly: Depending on the information contained therein, produce corroborating evidence.
Lastly: Take the issue of Barack Obama meeting the "natural born" provision of the U.S. Constitution to the Supreme Court, even with his new appointment, and have him declared a "natural born" citizen.
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
After his election, he produced what many consider to be a fake COLB. In any case, even the COLB that...not his campaign, mind you, but the owners of Fight-the-Smears dot com website...
OK, this is progress. You have stopped claiming that the BC is not on fightthesmears.com. Now on to another problem: Obama for America (the campaign) has ownership of the fightthesmears.com domain. Note that it was registered before the election on June 1, 2008.
And once again ...
C:\>whois fightthesmears.com
Whois v1.01 - Domain information lookup utility
Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com
Copyright (C) 2005 Mark Russinovich
Connecting to COM.whois-servers.net...
Connecting to whois.godaddy.com...
Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc. is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.
Registrant:
Obama for America
233 N. Michigan Ave
APT 2416
Chicago, Illinois 60601
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: FIGHTTHESMEARS.COM
Created on: 01-Jun-08
Expires on: 01-Jun-10
Last Updated on: 29-Jul-09
Administrative Contact:
for America, Obama info@barackobama.com
233 N. Michigan Ave
APT 2416
Chicago, Illinois 60601
United States
+1.3128195555 Fax -- +1.3105642007
Technical Contact:
Administrator, DNS dnsadmin@mediatemple.net
8520 National Blvd.
Suite A
Culver City, California 90232
United States
+1.8775784000 Fax -- +1.3105642007
Domain servers in listed order:
NS45.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS46.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
August 14, 2009 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, as I understand it:
Registrant:
Obama for America
233 N. Michigan Ave
APT 2416
Chicago, Illinois 60601
United States.
Number one, I have never heard Barack Obama take responsible for any of the material posted at Fight-the-Smears dot com.
Number two, when you seek the organizational structure of Obama for America, Brack Obama's names doesn't appear anywhere. This is important to establish his legal exposure to the fake COLB Fight-the-Smears once posted.
So, please, if you have any record at all where Barack Obama has taken full responsibility for his fake COLB posted on Fight-the-Smears dot com, please provide them.
Thank you for your help.
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 14, 2009 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's my understanding that, even if he were born outside the United States, it doesn't mean he can't be president.
August 14, 2009 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not sure you are correct in your assessment. You would be correct if both of Barack's parents were U.S. citizens and their allegiance was to the United States, such as in John McCain's case.
But there is absolutely no way Barack Obama can meet the requirements of the Constitution if he was born outside of the U.S. with a foreign born father.
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 14, 2009 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
8 USC 1401. This is really not that complicated.
August 15, 2009 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here we go...
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
Seems pretty clear to me.
August 17, 2009 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this from the Cornell Law School site:
"(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;"
Or this...
"(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:"
Seems to me Mrs. Obama had been inside the US for a "continuous period of one year prior to the birth" of her son. As an American, it would've been almost inconceivable that she didn't spend at least one continuous year in the U.S.
The five year requirement is also met. Most certainly she spent two years in the US after age 14.
The whole claim seems baseless based on the law, David.
August 17, 2009 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess that is why Obama is no longer the president.
lol
August 14, 2009 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess thats why Obama is no longer the president.
lol
August 14, 2009 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
He never was or is the President.
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 14, 2009 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why does it scare you that Barack Obama 'IS' our president? Is it because he is black? Because he is educated? Because he is not part of the pseudo-christian mafia and not under their mind-control programming as you appear to be?
How does it feel to be a tool of the pseudo-christian mafia David? To be used as a pawn by those greedy, rich, and powerful people who believe that they have been ordained by God to rule us? And they believe they are 'above' moral rules as well, clearly they don't believe fidelity is important except for appearances sake.
Do you understand that Doug Coe and other leaders that guide them appreciate and respect rulers like Hitler and Mao? When you try to peg that stuff on President Obama, you are barking up the wrong tree, you should just turn around and look at the people you are listening to on Fox etc.
Do you understand that they want you confused and afraid because then you are easy to manipulate? Do you understand that their goal is to amass more and more power and rule?
You watched Bush and Cheney... do you think they gave a damn about our constitution or liberties? I think not! If you really gave a damn about the constitution you would be demanding accountability for all of the violations of law that Bush and Cheney perpetrated.
Do you understand that they consider themselves above the law and do not care what we put in our 'legislation'?
Now 'those' are the people you 'should' be afraid of.
Those are the people who are destroying our democracy... and you inadvertently and possibly innocently are one of their soldiers, helping them with this agenda...
Did you know all of that?
You've got it all backwards.
President Obama is a citizen. I wrote to him and asked him to run for president when he was a senator. I am glad he IS president and I think it's time you changed your medication so you can deal with reality.
August 15, 2009 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nor is he too old. In 2012, he will be the same age John McCain was in 2008.
That's too old.
August 14, 2009 1:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Besides his age, he had his third? Fourth? heart attack after the 2000 election while waiting to be sworn in as Veep. Who knows how many since? He's also in a wheel chair much of the time now.
Even if anyone was fool enough to vote for Cheney, why would he run? The stress of running would kill him. The job would be worse.
Cheney's not running for anything right now. He's just feeling that his time is short and has gone into full legacy-building mode. It's an old-man disease quite common to politicians, especially right-wing politicians.
Legacy-building is frequently the end to a right-wing political career, and probably is a result of the especially intense right-wing "I'm the best leader!" mindset so many of them have. That attitude is not off-set by any feeling of belonging to a community.
August 14, 2009 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
And since Palin called Cheney right before she bumbled through her resignation... what do you want to bet that she is being trained and bred to be a Veep once more running with the Dark Lord Bumbledick.
Should we start donating money now to fight them?
August 14, 2009 1:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Donate money to fight them? Listen, I am a stanch Palin supporter. If she isn't on the head of the ticket in 2012, she will totally loose her support.
This M.J. Rosenberg hasn't a clue about the present struggle between the corporate wing of the Republican Party and its grassroots. Cheney is looked upon as a strong conservative to be sure, but he is still an old school, establishment, TARP supporting, Rockefeller Republican.
If you libs want to waste your money, go ahead. But if Cheney is at the head of the ticket in 2012, he has already lost.
Now, if you are talking about a Palin/Cheney ticket...you had better start spending your money now, because that would definitely be a winning ticket!
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 14, 2009 1:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh well you've already proven your a few inches short of a yard mentally... so it makes sense that you'd be supporting a brainless twit like Palin.
There is no chance that the ex half term congressman from Alaska will ever be be president...she may aspire to be a female Rush Limbaugh and she is well on her way as she spouts idiotic blather.
August 14, 2009 2:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, you, like me, are entitled to your opinion.
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 14, 2009 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
David, may I suggest that you go take your clearly overdue on your medicine? Your mental facilities are failing you.
Palin has a truly fervent support group, but it's probably not as large by itself as Huckabee's was in 2008. She's a Dominionist with the belief that government should be controlled by evangelicals (like herself) who rule with the Bible as the ultimate source of law. That's the identical belief held by the Ayatollah in Iran and by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. That belief leads to that same philosophy and structure of government as in current Iran, except with a different book. Since Palin is an evangelical herself, she has the support of those like her who vote identity politics. They'll never dominate America, although they certainly do dominate much of the South, Texas and some of the Midwest. But they are a minority even there, who only get political dominance because of the fervency of their beliefs.
Then there is the fact that Palin has always quit her state-wide offices before the end of the term when she could not do the job successfully and began to fail. She can't deliver what she promises her supporters. She is an inherent outsider. She is not competent to perform as someone who is an insider and who has to be depended on. That's simply beyond her.
Palin only got state-wide jobs in the first place because Alaska is such a small and insular state and because she represents the small but fervent evangelical political group who votes identity politics. She'll never stand up to real competition. Her incompetence is now clear, her actual record of performance is too checkered, and her sick evangelical dominionist religious beliefs will scare off too many voters. She'll wither like a snowflake in front of a blast furnace. Which, of course, is why she resigned from the previous council she was on as well as resigning as governor. When I was in the artillery I would have described enemy on a battleground like that as a target-rich environment.
Then there's Dick Cheney. With Cheney's heart troubles, he isn't going to run for President, assuming he lives that long, and that's not very likely. He's on borrowed time right now. The stress of running would kill him, and if that didn't happen, he wouldn't last a single term. And he knows it himself. Don't expect him to run or to be open to an invitation to run. He'd rather live longer and influence the debates.
August 15, 2009 1:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
A "Palin supporter"??? Isn't there a fascist meeting somewhere for you to attend, the "Tea Baggers" perhaps? Please quit polluting this site with your treasonous garbage.
August 15, 2009 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
RE: "...to his way of thinking, there simply is no one else who can do the job."
MY COMMENT: Now that is an excellent example of ĂĽber exceptionalism! "Pricky Dick" Cheney for President in 2012!
PS. Cheney is probably a 'pumphead'.
PUMPHEAD - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postperfusion_syndrome
August 14, 2009 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
"If asked, of course, he will deny any interest in serving." But if asked could he find a candidate for the GOP, he would choose himself. I think Cheney would run in 2012 because he would be interested in serving himself.
August 14, 2009 3:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
He may be among the many Winston Churchill worshippers among the more militaristic of our country's political class. So it's possible he sees himself in that light: the principled, unloved and unappreciated leader, turned to only when all seems lost for his country, and desperation seems the order of the day.
The reason, I venture, why he hasn't seriously sought to be elected to the presidency until now is that he realizes that in ordinary times the only way a person can get elected president in this country is to make a mighty good show of genuflecting to what he seems to regard as the sillier ideas held by many voters. And his heart isn't in that prospect. He sees it as an unworthy use of his time and talents.
And, of course, if he thought he could run the country, or at least its foreign policy, as Vice President, why go through the hassle and uncertainty of running at the top of the ticket?
OTOH, he seems to want another major terrorist attack on the homeland so he can say, however inaptly, in the court of public opinion: "told you so". And--who knows?--possibly relieve a sense of guilt that 9/11 happened on his, well, technically on W's, watch? (On second thought: nah.)
If something did happen and there was another panicky, muddle-headed reaction by the public as after 9/11, all bets could be off in terms of the normal rules on who could get elected to the Presidency in this country. Heaven help us.
I prefer to focus on ways to help our current president give the voters as many reasons as possible to re-elect him.
August 14, 2009 5:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dreamer,
That seems like a very good analysis of Cheney. I feel certain that he looks back with desire to the luck that Winston Churchill had in being in the right place at the right time. Cheny will be fully aware that right after the war, Churchill was voted out of office.
Since he seems to feel that Bush dissed him badly in the Bush II second term and that many others feel he has been completely wrong in his guidance of American government, I have little doubt that he would feel vindication if America received another major terrorist attack. He would consider it a failure of the current administration rather than something he was responsible for.
I wonder, though. Do individuals who are high-ranking public officials get more satisfaction from media reports of their success than they do from the accolades of real people around them? Most of us just make do with the latter, and find it sufficient.
The need for media recognition of success would at least in part explain the obsession with legacy that so many politicians display after they leave office. It appears that both Bush II and Cheney are engrossed in legacy building - something that it does not seem apparent to me that George H. W. Bush has indulged himself in.
August 15, 2009 1:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the comment, Richardxx.
The only way Cheney's historical legacy can be what he wants it to be is the calamitous scenario I referred to. To use the Vietnam-era reference, the village must be destroyed in order for Cheney to save it.
My read of him is that he is interested in the historical legacy--he reads a lot of history and it has now come out that in fact he apparently kept extensive contemporaneous notes while serving as VP. The sense I have is that he has long since either give up, or just never cared much about about popular adoration. I don't think he particularly respects the non-elite people he was elected to serve, and he either does not particularly respect US traditions of constitutional government under law, or else believes those traditions inadequate to the needs of the present day to the point where liberties need to be taken (pun intended) merely as a matter of societal survival.
If you're in his position and you realize you are never going to be loved by the people during your lifetime, "being vindicated by history" is basically all you've got left to keep you going.
August 15, 2009 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now, if you are talking about a Palin/Cheney ticket...you had better start spending your money now, because that would definitely be a winning ticket!
ex animo
Response in Latin: Sed nemo potuit tangere: merda Palin-Cheney
August 14, 2009 8:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are probably right. Cheney would probably react to Palin as the lead on their ticket in much the same way as McCian did.
ex animo
davidfarrar
August 14, 2009 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why should he bother running for President? What would he gain that he hasn't already had? He already had the run of the place as VP.
If Cheney wants back in power, he could simply offer to serve as Vice President again. There's no term limits on that office, as long as one hasn't been President twice.
Furthermore, much like he could control and shape President Bush's presidency, he could easily do so for someone like Palin.
August 14, 2009 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
No one has been able to control Palin. Cheney woul dbe no different.
What's the different between Palin and George W. Bush?
LIPSTICK!!!
That joke never gets old! hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
August 14, 2009 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I doubt the chickenhawk of all chickenhawks is snarling because he misses his Secret Secure Location and wants to back and grow senile there. He is probably snarling (a) because he is incapable of doing much of anything else in public and (b) because his Big Lie mentality is stuck in high gear and he thinks if he can con people into thinking that Obama is Devil Incarnate, then they might come to believe that his 8 years spent laying waste to America's economy, military power and moral authority can't quite have been the worst U.S. presidential administration of all time after all.
Nevertheless, he has my vote: for President of the Abu Ghraib Prisoners Association, and with no term limits - a lifetime appointment to residency in his own special dream house.
August 14, 2009 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is exactly why there needs to be accountability for the crimes of the Bush administration - he can't run in 2012 if he's where he belongs, IN JAIL.
August 14, 2009 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Why else is he refusing to go away"
He's making his case for posterity. He doesn't need the money, he's not running for president, and he clearly believes that he did the right thing.
Let's be productive and not become some liberal version of Sarah Palin's twitter.
August 15, 2009 12:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know why everyone is so confident that the Democrats already have the White House wrapped up for 2012. If the economy continues on a downward trajectory, or simply spends the next 3 years sputtering along, there are going to be lots of folks out there in the "real America" who'll like the sound of Palin's tortured syntax, or Romney's faux-CEO soundbites. Remember Carter? Bush 1? It's the economy, stupid.
Well, it's the economy, and the fact that the Democrats for some unknown ungodly reason continue to think that bipartisanship is essential, that you can negotiate with the Grassleys and the Vitters and the Sessionses.
So here's how I see 2012 playing out, worst case scenario: after sucessfully defeating meaningful healthcare reform, the screamers/Republicans continue to disrupt every Democratic proposal in ever more vicious and deceitful terms. The Dems, under the weak and shaking hands of Reid and Pelosi, refuse to fight back, insisting on wonky details and appeals to our better nature to combat the visceral in-your-face attacks that, while built on lies, strike a chord with unsettled Americans. Here comes the 2012 elections, Palin/Romney/Gingrich continue the assault, and voila, there you have the progressive era ending before it ever really began.
August 15, 2009 7:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
rcb209: The fallout for Democratic overconfidence is happening right now and will probably play out in the 2010 congressional elections. The overwhelming rejection of the Bush Republicans should not have been taken as a mandate for the entire Democratic platform.
With a more balanced post-2010 congress (and Pelosi replaced), I bet most voters will be happy to support Obama.
August 15, 2009 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
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August 16, 2009 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Personally and with only a half snark or so, I think he's positioning himself to become President of Allied States of America.
August 16, 2009 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheney/Santorum 2012
August 17, 2009 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink