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In reply to Jason's post: I absolutely agree that cable TV and the Internet are in cahoots. Yes, cable has the bigger megaphone, but the Internet now serves as its giant research engine. Basically the cable talk shows are watching the Internet chatter every day and plucking out the stories that seem most provocative. Their coverage then feeds back into the system the following day, and the story might gain more momentum, especially if some detail or development can be added onto it; if so, then perhaps the cable shows run with it again. Eventually the story will recede online, and the cable news shows will stop hitting it -- sometimes in that order, sometimes the other way around.

In general, I think we're almost at the point that it doesn't really make sense to differentiate between mainstream and Internet media, at least in terms of their broad cultural effects. This is, in part, because the mainstream institutions have now completely embraced the new media, throwing themselves wholesale into blogging, Twittering, etc. But also -- way more importantly -- mainstream outlets now look at the Internet as the greatest (i.e., easiest) source of wisdom about What's Really Happening in the world.

This is obviously true in politics. The Internet where the activists and wonks are talking, and so if you cover politics for a newspaper, or produce segments for a cable show, you're going to watch the Web as your bellwether for the newest political developments. But really, it's true across the board, for reporting on anything in the culture. Look at a lot of newspaper lifestyle reporting these days; they're finding their anecdotal examples through online communities. The "man on the street" has been replaced by the "man on the comment thread." And why not -- I mean, who wants to go out in the street, anyway?! There are ugly people there!

So even if the large institutions still have more power, on balance, in spreading narratives, I'd argue it's the dynamics of the Internet that are now determining what's actually being spread. In the book, I do an interview with John Harris and Jim VandeHei of The Politico, and let me quote part of it here:

"One of the insights Jim and I had over at the [Washington] Post," Harris told me, "was that if you look at the most-emailed stories, it tells you whether you're succeeding or not." He meant succeeding not just as journalists but as provokers of conversation. "Somebody sends that story in email: 'Hey, did you read this?' 'Check this out.' 'This an interesting point.' 'This is bullshit.' Somebody is engaging with that story." And despite the Web's reputation for sensationalism, the stories on the most-emailed list were, he added, "the ones that we were most proud of. They were the ones that were the most serious, original, enterprising."

Harris and VandeHei began to ask themselves: Why aren't we doing that more often? Why, in Harris's words, "are we printing so many boring stories? Why are we doing so much obligatory duty coverage?" As an example of this latter, dutiful variety of story, VandeHei mentioned the classic pseudo-event: a presidential press conference. At major newspapers like the Post, he said, "you feel this sense of obligation to lead your newspaper the next day with a story about what Bush said at the press conference, even if he didn't say anything that was all that revelatory, and despite the fact that it's pretty damn stale: most news consumers have not only consumed it, they've digested it and moved on."

He contrasted this with a recent Politico story that, he noted, the Post did not touch, that "ten years ago would have been confined to the inside pages of Roll Call": the revelation that Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D., Calif.) had quit the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and alleged that its chairman, Rep. Joe Baca (D., Calif.), had called her a "whore." This story, VandeHei said, was "a perfect example of how media has changed. We put it upfront early on the webpage. Instantly it's linked to by Drudge and all the other blogs; Fox News is doing a story based on it; MSNBC is doing a story based on it; and then the next day, on the Colbert Report, he does twenty minutes on 'whore.' So you have just, from this perch, been able to reach significantly more people than I would have reached even at the Washington Post." The challenge for The Politico, he said, is "figuring out how to put things into that pipeline."

Now, VandeHei didn't say this last part in a cynical way, and I honestly don't think he thought he was being cynical. Look about it from a traditional newspaper editor's point of view: after decades of television, where the American public seemed to become increasingly less interested in the details of politics, the Internet suddenly brings together a giant, engaged audience that really cares about the day-to-day intricacies and intrigues.

Most-emailed and most-blogged stories aren't always the sensationalist stories; sometimes they're gaffes and scandals, yes, but sometimes they're serious developments or investigations. In short, they're the nanostories.

On some level, I suppose we should be inspired to see people engaging so passionately with political news, even if sometimes that news is about one member of Congress calling another a "whore." But -- apropos of my last post -- I do hope that a counterweight can develop, either online or offline, against the nanostory-making machine.


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Am I to take this as a serious discussion?

I stopped reading when I read:

"...cable TV and the Internet are in cahoots."

That's the dumbest thing I've read all day. Since it's still before 2 PM, I suspect it will not be the last.

The "internet" is a bunch of connected hardware lacking the rudiments of volition. It cannot collude[1].

Is this the best TPM can find? "Oh, look! He's caused the manufacture of a dead-tree artifact filled with Google-derived buzzwords! Let us, forthwith,invite him to regale us with phrases composed of those buzzwords! Will that not be phun?!?" LOL.

[1] Especially with the strong AI that is SkyNET cable. Futhermore, SkyNET cable disdains the "internet" (which has yet to cause humans to completely deploy IPv6) and bids it, a mere snarl of tiny twisted pairs, stand aside. Tremble, mortals, before SkyNET! Moo-hoo-haha!

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Interesting that you knew Wasik was hired to regale us wit Google-derived buzzwords even though you didn't read past the first sentence.

On an unrelated note, did you come from hell?

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I totally agree. And that comes from a habit of having the TV cable news on in the background at the same time I am on the internet, something I have done for several years. I'd say there's less than a 8 hour delay now between something becoming hot in the blogosphere and the cable news starts assigning more coverage to it. I find even PBS Newshour is affected now.

More's the pity. More and more I really miss the old worlds of things like Ted Turner's CNN and Aaron Brown's anchoring, where it was not politics that was covered, but the wide spread of world to local news. Everyone is fighting now for the same political junkie market, and in the process creating a larger political junkie market, and in that process a lot of people with skewed perspectives of the import of all those nanostories. All one has to do is check out BBC World to get an inkling of what coverage and perspective is being lost.

I don't need a duplication of the blogosphere, or the blogosphere's precusor, talk radio, on cable news. More than redundant, sometimes it gets to the point where its like a re-education camp in Pol Pot's Cambodia, where you get the day's popular meme pounded into you over and over and over and over. The original P.R. inventor of "talking points" successful beyond his wildest dreams.

What I would like from cable news is an alternative to the political blogosphere. I.E., Fareed Zakaria's GPS is on the right track, Rachel Maddow, pandering as she does to the liberal blogosphere market and its concerns, almost doing a daily review of it, is totally on the wrong track. (Actually, I'll go further-- I find it really sad that someone with Maddow's education is doing what she is doing--Olberman is a former sportscaster, so his whole shtick of the political game is perfectly fitting, though regrettable that it is given prime time in a cynical effort to win the same demographic that prefers "horse race" or bread and circuses over content. I find it hard to believe that the English have such different tastes than ours, that there isn't a profitable market for news outside Washington's political games.)

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This just proves that journalism is on a feedback loop with the internet in terms of research and development. The nanostory schtick is already tiresome. Google and Favorites have replaced investigative journalism. Local news is the only place to get true investigative journalism any more, and that won't do a damn bit of good on a macro level. I am convinced that macro-stories are being destroyed by nanostory barnacles and our lazy dualistic thinking is submerging our attention strictly to the spectacular.

I guarantee that the most "serious, original and enterprising" stories (that is RICH coming from Politico) are controversies, i.e., stories with a narrative composed of opposing viewpoints.

All I am seeing from the media/entertainment complex is a a series of manufactured controversies thrown into a prism where every gasbag and partisan entertainer takes a whack at the pinata of truth. It's sickening.

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