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Entrepreneurship and the Poor

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Scott's work on new ways of helping the poor has changed a lot of thinking on the subject--where the poor reside, how they are served, etc. I'd like him to address an issue that many people wonder about in my world.

I lead a free enterprise-oriented think tank, and we have several scholars doing work on new approaches to aid in the developing world. (See, for example, an example of Mauro De Lorenzo's work here.) Our scholars are of the view that traditional aid can be unhelpful insofar as it suffocates the conditions for local entrepreneurship--which is the only real engine for sustainable growth in prosperity.

I have heard a number of people talk about similar concepts in the context of domestic support for the poor. I'd would love to hear Scott's take on what we know about entrepreneurship in poor communities, and approaches to encouraging it--alongside or instead of traditional poverty programs.


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Yeah, see, they just need to start their own businesses and everything'll be fine.

The microfinance stuff works to some extent in the developing world but the cost basis is way lower. Also, not everyone wants to start/own their own business.

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Microfinance works in the developed world as well, at least where it's been tried. Hillary Clinton, fwiw, has been a long-term booster of microfinance initiatives, alongside other forms of aid/support. Link below includes copied out quotes from Mohamed Yunus to underscore the point.

http://www.correntewire.com/why_hillary_should_be_president_whsbp_untold_stories

I've no idea what sort research AEI are doing in this space - but when the one link produced on "new approaches to aid in the developing world" leads to an article which fails a single mention of microfinance, Grameen or Mohamed Yunus, I can't say I am that impressed.

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I shouldn't be too dismissive of microfinance. You're right and I'm all for providing small, low interest start up loans to people with good ideas and the savvy to make them work.

But that's not the same thing as having a social safety net, not by a long shot.

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I should also be clear that microfinance has not always worked well, or not as well as advertised, where it has been tried.

But the Grameen model has been very successful - and in the wake of a credit bubble so often characterized as a subprime blow-out, it's worth noting that Grameen's asset quality, with a repayment rate of ~96.5% (2008) from lending to the poorest of the poor, is as good as any bank in the world.

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I tend to agree with Destor and Erica's sentiments. But it sure would be a damn good improvement over our Pay day loans, car title loans and Check cashing joints.

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Destor is right. It's darn hard to start and run a business. Especially if you have limited education and contacts, don't have access to capital and have one or more kids.

I participated in a federal program designed to help the recently unemployed start their own business. From the beginning it was pretty obvious that although people had good ideas, we were swimming in deep water. Briefly, these were the obstacles:

--there is an entrepreneurial mindset, plus a ton of general knowledge and previous experience working as a manager or owner of something, that people just didn't have. This wasn't a reflection on them, it's just that they didn't have a record of previous success bossing other people around!

--few of the participants had ever worked in the business they hoped to start

--nobody had access to capital, and without previous entrepreneurial experience, little hope of finding investors. (The notion of starting a business from "nothing" is a misnomer.)

--nobody could afford to fail. I didn't understand how much the lack of family wealth narrows options.

By the end, most people had filled in the blanks of a business plan but the plans were not realistic.

All in all my take is that efforts to stimulate local entrepreneurship need to be way more grassroots, individual and realistic. Please, no brick-and-mortar entities that really benefit only the developers who build them. Fewer Horatio Alger stories, more of just helping people do some stuff to keep it together. For example, if the business involves buying or renting space, it is likely to fail! (There's a reason that people do find modest success selling Avon--it's home based, structured, affordable and somebody else absorbs some of the financial hit if things go wrong.)

And, it's also occurred to me that if you really want to stimulate entrepreneurship in poor communities, a logical way to do it would be to promote efforts to help people get better, "ordinary" jobs--like, (gasp!) offer education, health care, and wealth-building benefits to employees so that poor people could work as managers, put a little something aside, and THEN start businesses.

Probably not what AEI wants to hear, though.


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Where Destor was wrong was saying that microfinance doesn't scale to developed economies - it can be.

And whilst it is not a silver bullet for tackling poverty and attendant social ills, it can play an important role - done right, microcredit addresses the issue of a lack of capital.

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I agree with you--one of the issues is that in a developed economy, microcredit might not look so micro. $5000 might seem like a lot of money to hand over to an entrepreneur but it doesn't cover much in the first world.

Ralph Lauren started his fashion empire on only 50k. What people don't connect with is that 50k was a fortune at the time.

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I ran a shelter for homeless women for a number of years. As, in a sense, part of their community I gained a slight understanding of what constituted help and what didn't in their cases.
Eventually, I dumped the original shelter 'program' - not my design - replacing it with one that worked in that it got the women on their way out of abject poverty. The point is that to understand what is effective help and what's basically worthless, one has to be on the 'receiving' end - for more than a few weeks I might add.

(The 'founder' of the shelter asked me early on what my 'goal' for the shelter/women was and I replied that it was to be able to close down the shelter for lack of clients. She did not like that answer and told me so. Interesting.)

And then there's food aid. Living for a time in a 5th world country as I did, it was obvious that the American food-aid program for that country could best be called a 'dumping' program in that most of the food was completely foreign to the local diet and thus went uneaten. (They put the peanut oil on their hair.)

And then there was the corn growing program put together by Agriculture and introduced to primarily Mexican farmers in the southwest US. The 'new' corn yielded 3 crops a year replacing the traditional corn which yielded only 1 crop. The men/farmers grew it, the women refused to use it because they didn't like the ground 'feel' of it in their hands when making tortillas.

Generally, aid in whatever form is useless when little if anything is known about the people receiving it.

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I'd hesitate to call any aid - especially when food, medicine or education - completely useless. Sometimes aid programmes don't work as planned, and indeed sometimes aid is fraudulently described as such (eg dumping of cereals).

But folks receiving the aid often do find uses for it - even if nothing like what donors intended. My own anecdote comes from Malawi some 20 years back with an early AIDS prevention programme - the local people figured condoms were great for storing marijuana, so that's how they got put to use. And whilst the AIDS programme was a disaster, southern Malawi saw a boom in export-based commerce with the new western technology that kept weed moist.

I do think the key mistake with aid is to be parochial and insensitive of local conditions/needs/culture etc, but God help us if we give up on it altogether because the results don't always match up to our expectations.

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The idiocy of AEI's theology is easily seen by considering the absurd extreme. Assume everyone stopped working and became "entrepreneurs." Who would actually perform non-managerial work? Not everyone can be - or as noted above - wants to be, an entrepreneur. There are many more than one personality type amongst the human species, Americans included.

But here's my real beef with AEI and the economic theology of American conservatives: How can entrepreneurs in an industrial economy have any chance of succeeding when the financial system is based on usury, rent and speculation? For three decades we've seen hundreds of billions of dollars thrown at into increasingly complex schemes of financial derivatives, while real entrepreneurs working on real problems, such as fuel efficiency or resource substitution, have been begging and pleading for mere millions to try and stay afloat. The Bible, the Torah, the Quran, all inform us how entire societies have been destroyed by usury, but the economic theology of American conservatives is openly hostile to these lessons.

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"But here's my real beef with AEI and the economic theology of American conservatives: How can entrepreneurs in an industrial economy have any chance of succeeding when the financial system is based on usury, rent and speculation? For three decades we've seen hundreds of billions of dollars thrown at into increasingly complex schemes of financial derivatives, while real entrepreneurs working on real problems, such as fuel efficiency or resource substitution, have been begging and pleading for mere millions to try and stay afloat."

Here's the problem.

The financial system is based on loaning people money at competitive interest rates they are willing to pay. American interest rates (especially for business loans) aren't usurious; they're -shockingly- low by world standards. Paying only 10% on your money is unheard of in Brazil or Argentina.

Certainly, certain borrowers can get in over their heads, and the context in which many transactions occurs gives control to the lender. That's true in any lending situation, and it is exacerbated by regulations which make it difficult or impossible for small players to be competitive (regulations, capital requirements, and internal controls are all barriers to entry).

Microfinance may not be as effective in the United States, but that is partially a result of the cost of capital, and the wealth of human capital already competing. In Mexico, an uneducated, marginally bright person can more successfully start a business, because they aren't instantly competing with marketing and distribution plans thought up by MBA's from Stanford.

That's not to say that entrepreneurship isn't the answer (probably the most effective argument for the general AEI position is the success of immigrant communities in starting their own businesses with no more resources than the local poor). It is. But a certain amount of scale is required just to be competitive in the United States, because this is a country with very picky, aggressive, and educated consumers.

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El Presidente trots out the standard dissembling in defense of usury. But William Black has pointed out what is really going on: the FBI warned, even before the crisis erupted openly, that fraud was widespread in mortgage lending, 80% of it initiated by lenders. Fitch found fraud in every loan file it looked at.

What we have currently is a situation in which standard economic policies create a criminogenic environment. . .

. . . white collar crime, especially elite white collar crime led by CEOs, heads of states, heads of ministries. . . .

. . . a criminogenic environment, as the name implies, is one that creates perverse incentive structures that produce large scale criminality. We have a phrase for this in criminology; we call it control fraud. It’s when the person who controls a seemingly legitimate corporation or governmental agency uses it as a weapon to defraud. And right now we have a situation in which standard econometric analyses, every single time during the inflation stage of the bubble, praise and recommend precisely the policies that optimize a criminogenic environment and produce the worse frauds.



http://www.levy.org/pubs/conf_april09/18th_Minsky_ppt/session1_Black.pdf

But here is what is truly disgusting about the conservative economic position as related by El Presidente: the supposed concern for the sanctity of human life that animates the conservative opposition to abortion, is totally absent when it comes to the issue of usury. The conservative argument is that there is a market, and people are willing to pay the asking price demanded by the market, so all is well with the universe. Try and get them to apply that same logic to abortion. Or, more to the point, try to get them to apply the moral standards they say they believe in and on which they rely in opposing abortion, to making value judgments about economic outcomes. National healthcare? The slippery slope to socialism, they spit. A financial system based on usury and speculation and fraud that loots working people and ships our industrial base overseas? Just the workings of the free market, they shout.

Hypocrites.

Depart from me; I never knew ye.

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Nonsense.

First off, I'm not a conservative, and I (admittedly with lukewarm fervor) support abortion rights.

Second, I'd love to know how econometric analyses promote fraud. The connection is mad and stated, but never supported, in the quoted text.

Third, I don't know what your quoted authority used as his definition of fraud, but given the arcane truth-in-lending laws out there, I find it extremely unlikely that 80% of mortgage files were fraudulently induced. And if they were, why didn't someone notice? For instance, the people who have the obligation and interest to investigate the transaction: the borrower.

Fourth, it is at least nice that Mr. Black, whoever he is, cites the complicity that government policy had in promoting aggressive lending to poor and uneducated borrowers.

Fifth, and this has come up before, why is there anything wrong with the financial services industry? Aside from usury, speculation, etc., which we can argue about until the cows come home. Why is making money through finance worse than making money through manufacturing?

Heck, financial services is more environmentally friendly than heavy industry.

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You want to foster entrepeneurship? Implement national health care and the rest of the social safety net. That way poor people don't have to choose between the day job that lets them stay healthy and housed (yeah, as if for too many of them already) and the chance of a better future. And if they start a business, they don't have to tell their prospective employees "well, you'll have to give up your health insurance for a few years..."

What you generally see in successful entrepeneurs is situations where they're not at risk of losing everything they have if the bold new plan doesn't work. Oh, and in the US you often see a huge government-aided market for their products (e.g., customers reachable via the internet, the interstate highway system or the postal system).

And one other thing, which is sometimes hard to figure out: it would be nice if the regulatory environment were not skewed toward the largest firms. Smaller enterprises with dedicated employees still need to do all the necessary things for health, safety and product quality, but sometimes the prescribed methods and sheer burden of proof can be an issue. (Unfortunately the previous administration seems to have been mostly interested in removing regulatory burdens from large players, so we're not starting from a good baseline.)

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Mr. Brooks,

Okay, so I thought I was commenting to some guy who ran a little free-enterprise organization somewhere and had no idea I was talking with the head of AEI, Mr. Darth Brooks himself. (Sorry about the pun but I just had to write it! :)

Since we may have your attention on this thread, and I hope we do since you did ask, I really want to suggest that you and your fellow scholars look very closely and without blinders at the specifics of how traditional aid suffocates the conditions for local entrepreneurship and how things might be changed. You should also examine very closely and without prejudice all existing local entrepreneurship, including entrepreneurship of the shady sort and the entirely illegal, which exists in urban, suburban and rural low-income areas. I'm not suggesting that you should support illegal businesses--my point is, everybody out there in low-income-land is trying to make a buck just like the next guy. It's important to keep that in mind when you talk about how traditional aid messes things up....

All this involves really going to poor areas and observing people at length, which I don't think most AEI people are willing to do, but I could be wrong about that.

There are a lot of other things that could be said, but an additional point about "traditional aid" is that it tends to be spotty and has to be combined with other forms of income, just like every other poor-people income source. Just competing for and managing one's aid sources is almost an entrepreneurship in itself in many cases. I'll bet if you looked at successful legal-side entrepreneurs, they tend to be people who found a way to make or at least manage a sustainable, consistent income on which to start or run their business.

At the end of the day, the short story is that poor people in general find it hard to pull together enough stability to engage in entrepreneurship of the type that you and the folk at AEI see as entrepreneurship. So my suggestion is that you guys either start seeing entrepreneurship differently, or work to create an environment in low-income areas where there's enough genuine stability that ordinary people can engage in the types of entrepreneurship that you do recognize. I hope that doesn't sound mean or oversimplistic, I'm just trying to answer the question you asked.

Also, I know this is sort of parenthetical, but it's important to draw a distinction between being out of money and being poor. If you have any or all of the above: a college degree, a good suit, wealthy family, friends or acquaintances, a high IQ or exceptional mood and executive function, you may not really be "poor" and your chances of succeeding in starting a business will be exponentially higher than those of a "real" poor person, though of course by no means guaranteed. I think this is an aspect of the issue that free-enterprise scholars sometimes miss.

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ps i did not mean to be cutting with the Darth Brooks thing, I hope you found it funny...

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