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If Health Reform Fails, Netanyahu Will Prevail On Settlements

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Watching the President holding firm on the occupation convinces me that his health care bill will prevail too. True, the forces arrayed against him on the Middle East are school children compared to the "health industry" but, nonetheless, Team Obama knows how to play hardball.

The latest is this. The Israeli government is determined to build a block of settlements, shops, schools and industrial areas that would link East Jerusalem to the huge Maale Adumim settlement in the West Bank. This settlement corridor called E-1 would not only solidify Israel's control over East Jerusalem but divide the northern from the southern West Bank, making both free Palestinian movement and a Palestinian state impossible.

But Obama is saying "no."


The word from the Israeli right is that their best hope of prevailing over the President is by stalling. They are watching Obama's poll numbers, praying the health reform bill collapses and with it Obama's popularity. Then they will enlist the still reluctant Israel lobby to pressure Congressional Democrats to support Netanyahu. The strategy could work; some of these Congressional Democrats are eager to pander to the Jewish right as in the good old days!

The amazing thing is that everything depends on health reform failing!

In the meantime, the name of the Israeli right's game is stalling. That is why Obama needs to convene a Middle East conference soon and get "final status" negotiations going. He can win this but only if he hangs tough and moves fast. And gets the health care bill through.

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Oh my God. Is this what Herzl meant when he said: "eem tirtzu, zeh lo agadah ("if you will it, it is no dream.")

Please, God, no.


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Obama has not strongly supportive of the public option, and will be very happy with a wasteful, watered down bill that will preserve much of the health industry's profiteering.

"This is not a perfect bill" will be the first words out of Harry Reid's, Nancy Pelosi's, and Obama's mouths.

Dennis Ross is now in charge of "Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, as well as the Middle East" for the National Security Council, with an office right down the hall from Rahm Emmanuel. Rahm has said that he would carry Dennis Ross's luggage anywhere he wanted to go.

I'm sure some accommodation can be found for Israel's E-1, complete with outrage from some of Israel's supporters who help make Obama look tough and principled.

Hope I'm wrong. I know Dennis Ross and Rahm Emmanuel are having some interesting chats in the West Wing...

http://www.forward.com/articles/108792/

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If the congressional chickens on both sides are allowed to bring down a reform that over 70% of America wants...then we need to make sure that all those knuckle draggers are removed in 2010..

Obama holding a hard line on the reform MAY have an impact on the Israeli settlement issue but BiBi is out of his league and last century when it comes to credibilty in the World..He is only second to Armindenajad, the runt! Peres made a serious mistake by bypassing Livni...she could have brought the people together and begun to broker a peace with the nations but not BiBi the failed hawk! She would have listened to the people and not the old guard!

Congress should pay attention to the BiBi turmoil--he was in limbo for over a decade and would not have been in the forefront if it had not been that Pere's was afraid of a woman!!Golda is ashamed of them!

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Obama is a constitutionally limited mortal being. As such, he is not going to overcome 8 years of George W. Bush administration screw-up and eight years of GWB ignoring major world problems all in his first year. In THAT general sense (ONLY) it is true that blockages on one front divert energy from other fronts.

There is no other reason to link ending asinine obeisance to Jerusalem nutcases with domestic health care reform or anything else. Would anyone claim that success in rolling back the Taliban in Afghanistan or in reducing AIDS in Africa critically depends on, say, whether California can balance its budget?

99.999% of the world is against letting Israeli extremists continue to torpedo Mideast peace by building ghastly cement bunkers on land stolen from from Palestinians. The other .0001% may go, on its own steam, more speedily to the hell it wants to build. Period.

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PTroub: If you can't even manage to choose two percentages that add up to 100, why should we take the rest of your blather seriously?

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You've returned and you are just as petty and small-minded as before. Do you have to keep demonstrating that you had no friends in high school? But I bet you play a mean air guitar.

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so 99.999 +.001 = 100 what is your point?

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Obviously the percentages are rough approximations and there was a typo (one too many zeros) in the second one. The point is that is high time for the American dog to stop letting the West Bank settler tail wag it.

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"The amazing thing is that everything depends on health reform failing!"

- I think MJ Rosenberg is the only person on the planet who didn't see the snark in the republican commercial on Obama as God.

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Herzl said a lot of other things also.

In Der Judenstaat, published in 1896, he wrote, ‘if only we begin to carry out the plans (for a Jewish state), anti-Semitism would stop at once and for ever. For it is the conclusion of peace.’

He ends with the following words:

‘The Jews who wish for a state shall have it.
We shall live at last as free men on our own soil, and die peacefully in our own homes.
The world will be freed by our liberty, enriched by our wealth, magnified by our greatness.
And whatever we attempt there to accomplish for our own welfare, will react powerfully and beneficially for the good of humanity.’

He died, tragically, just eight years later, aged 44. Never knowing how his vision would, in many ways, become the antithesis of that for which he had worked and striven so hard, for so long, that he eventually died prematurely.

Just over a century later, anti-Semitism has not stopped nor declined, and there is no peace. The world is not freed by Jewish liberty or magnified by Israel’s greatness. Rather we are damaged and diminished by Israel’s weakness and its continued propensity to destabilize the entire region, and thereby the world.

Thankfully, Theodor Herzl will never know.

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"Rather we are damaged and diminished by Israel’s weakness and its continued propensity to destabilize the entire region, and thereby the world."

What a terrible thing to say.

The world is not damaged and weakened by Israel, one tiny country out of hundreds. I'm sure you've never set foot in Israel or you wouldn't make such ugly, misinformed statements.

How can you look yourself in the mirror in the morning after saying terrible things like that? What a bully. Did you pick on little kids in school?

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The world may not be weakened by the modern state of Israel, but world Judaism is. :-(

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Well, at least he didn't murder more than 300 hundred little kids like the IDF did in January.

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Idiot M.J. Rosenberg:

Of course, other than virulent racists of the Pat Buchanan stripe, every media commmentator knows that there was nothing controversial about what Obama said. I'm sure the cop's own mother told him he acted stupidly.

President Obama:

THE PRESIDENT: Hey, it's a cameo appearance. Sit down, sit down. I need to help Gibbs out a little bit here. I wanted to address you guys directly because over the last day and a half obviously there's been all sorts of controversy around the incident that happened in Cambridge with Professor Gates and the police department there. I actually just had a conversation with Sergeant Jim Crowley, the officer involved. And I have to tell you that as I said yesterday, my impression of him was that he was a outstanding police officer and a good man, and that was confirmed in the phone conversation -- and I told him that. And because this has been ratcheting up -- and I obviously helped to contribute ratcheting it up -- I want to make clear that in my choice of words I think I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Sergeant Crowley specifically -- and I could have calibrated those words differently. And I told this to Sergeant Crowley
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Guide to the perplexed:

"an outstanding police officer" may "act stupidly"

What Obama said does not contradict or revoke what he had said before. Mishandling an incident without terrible consequences and without past pattern of other such incidents does not overturn good evaluation of an officer, and if there was some "grade inflation" here (perhaps Sgt. Crowley is merely "very good", not "outstanding"?, perhaps Prof. Gates is "amicable, but only occasional acquaintance" rather than "a very good friend"?), it is actually expected rather than surprising.

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Even so, Anna has a point (though she stated it somewhat crudely). MJ presented the issue in a very one-sided way, and Obama himself is now treating it with much more nuance and stepping back ever so slightly (guided by the polls, naturally).

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MJ: I disagree with your premise here, but I'll give you a pass since you seem sad and I have a heart.

However, PLEASE correct the Herzl quote from:

"eem tirtzu, zeh lo agadah"

to

"eem tirtzu, ein zo agadah".

The version you cited from memory is grammatically incorrect and grates pretty badly.

See he.wikipedia.org article on Herzl, quoted below:
ציטוט זה ממחיש את התייחסותו למפעל הציוני. הציטוט מוכר בעיקר בגרסתו המקוצרת, "אם תרצו אין זו אגדה"
"Wenn ihr wollt, ist es kein Märchen"
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Your basic critique of MJ is this: He makes Israel look bad, so he's a bad man.

Pretty much sums up the Current Defense of Zionism.

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This smiling dude is so obsessed with Israel, Netanyahu and settlements that he is becoming pathetic.

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RE: "If Health Reform Fails, Netanyahu Will Prevail On Settlements."

MY COMMENT: For the most part, I agree with your premise. Obama's being successful on health care reform will help, but the stagnant economy still means that 'time is of the essence'. If health care reform fizzles, it must be spun so that it is not seen as a "loss" for Obama.

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Though I'm not such a big fan of the health care reform, it's funny yo see Netanyahu waiting for Obama's popularity to drop. I think there are a lot of politicians who will gladly sustain Israeli's politics, no matter if there are some very delicate nuances. A friend of mine, who works at a Narconon clinic, told me that Obama is the toughest president he ever elected and he will not concede his agenda to pressures.

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It feels weird to discuss about health, I find it ridiculous how some people don’t realize its importance. They usually fight because of some misunderstandings. And let me tell you, these misunderstandings will lead to major conflicts. But this is not our problem. They can disagree as long as they want .We only have to use the system in our advantage. My friend says that she got the best drug rehab treatment she could get and she’s very happy about it. That’s all that counts.

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