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Just What They Wanted: Netanyahu Praises Iran Demonstrators

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Is there a method to his madness or is it just madness.

Prime Minister Netanyahu went on Meet The Press today (hosted by David Gregory, a rah-rah IDF type who may be to the Likud prime minister's right) to heap praise on the Iranian demonstrators.

Contrast this with President Obama's cautiousness. He understands that US praise could be the kiss of death. But that is nothing compared to the harm that an endorsement from Netanyahu can deliver. Is that his intent? Or is he just clueless?


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Netanyahu clueless about Iran while you understand all? Man, you are truly deranged.

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Where you, of course, clearly understand everything in fine-grained detail. Please enlighten us, oh "ordinary"...

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That wasn't necessary, "deranged."

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ordinary,

why are your posts always so....well...ordinary?

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Did he now? He might have thought again if he had heard this: one of the slogans i heard near here was “mardom chera neshastin, iran shodeh felestin” (people why are you sitting, iran has become palestine). - Link

I doubt it will spread, but who knows?

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I wonder who the chanters thought was playing the part of Israel in their drama? Britain? Maybe, Israel?

If Netanyahu shares the neocons view that Moussavi is just a slicker version of Ahmadinejad then he may have calculated that it is in Israel's interest to force an admission as soon as possible.

Meanwhile Lefties - useless idiots as always - have confused the Iranian opposition with the second coming.

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Meanwhile Lefties - useless idiots as always - have confused the Iranian opposition with the second coming.

That may be true for some 'lefties' but as this blogger points out:

[T]here are THREE camps (not just two) in the current struggle: the conservatives, the reformists, and the PEOPLE!

I suspect most 'lefties' are rooting for the latter. If it so happens that they are voicing support for the Opposition, so be it. It's their struggle as Iranians, but it's also ours as part of the human family. While we cannot tell them what to believe or what to fight for, insofar as their struggle is also against tyranny and against violence, some of us do feel the need to support them.

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Conservatives and reformists are people...and rooting always reminds me of pigs. But, you're right. Not all lefties are useless idiots.

I blame it on Alfred E. He always brings out the worst in me...and doesn't even deserve that.

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Meanwhile Lefties - useless idiots as always - have confused the Iranian opposition with the second coming.
Righties are all big ol' poopyheads. Booyah!

{Mepmep does victory dance in end zone, accepts trophy for most profound geopolitical analysis on this here thread, struts out in triumph...}

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The analysis was in the second paragraph. You're responding to the provocation (not bad!).

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Bibi's not clueless but Ordinary
That's a whole nuther story

and ordinary one to be sure

bomb..bomb Iran eh?

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the neocons view that Moussavi is just a slicker version of Ahmadinejad

Huh?

Obama Cautious on Moussavi, June 9:

President Obama tells CNBC:

"The difference between Ahmedinejad and Moussavi in terms of their actual policies may not be as great as has been advertised. Either way we were going to be dealing with an Iranian regime that has historically been hostile to the United States, that has cause some problems in the neighborhood, and is pursuing nuclear weapons."

and

Neocons, House GOPers Demand Obama Take Moussavi’s Side, June 16:

President's Hawkish Critics Say U.S. Should Be Aligned With Reformists in Iran,
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Typo correction: both links are from June 16; the Obama quote is from June 16.

While I am here I will add that you have it so backwards. Things like a "people's revolution" in Iran were the wet dreams of the neo-cons that planned and pushed the invasion of Iraq. It's a no-brainer that Neo-cons would support the Iranian protesters, it's like a central part of their ideology to go around actively promoting such happenings in many ways, shapes and forms. Your comment shows absolutely no understanding of the term "neo-con." Some no doubt are going to be claiming that this is all a result of the invasion of Iraq, as they intended.

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Moussavi is a slicker version of Ahmadinejad.
Moussavi is the leader of a democratic revolution.

Neocons are on record as supporting both positions.
My take is they believe the first and are using the second to
a)support Ahmadinejad who they believe is easier for America and Israel to deal with
b)destabilize the regime and discredit Obama

Many other explanations are possible. For example

Moussavi may have started out as the first but matured into the second.
Or.
The neocons are split, some advocating one position, some the other.

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Netanyahu has a vendetta against President Obama. He would and will do anything to hurt him.

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Could be the crux of it. Maybe.

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Netanyahu has a vendetta against President Obama. He would and will do anything to hurt him.

Oh yeah, and David Gregory handed him the international megaphone of a prominent U.S. news program, Meet the Press, while failing to ask him any genuinely hard questions. There was not even one question about Netanyahu's refusal to halt all settlement activity, nor any questions at all about Israeli-Palestinian issues - the questions were all about Iran.

So why, at such an extremely difficult moment, did Gregory choose to do this? Having Netanyahu on the program seemed to suggest a status as someone whose opinions are more relevant to U.S. foreign policy than they are or should be. To me, it seemed not only like a slap in the face to Obama, but a provocative act, given the current events in Iran. Why should NBC enable a foreign leader whose views and actions have been counter to U.S. interests, without ever once making it clear that those views and actions are against U.S. interests? I'm glad that M.J. wrote something about it, but he didn't go far enough in my view.

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Netanyahu is doing what is in his own perceived interest. Since Iran's nuclear program has wide support he has no interest in any outcome that will make it harder to convince the US Iran represents an intolerable existential threat. Military action is what is desired. All else is Commentary.

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he has no interest in any outcome that will make it harder to convince the US Iran represents an intolerable existential threat. Military action is what is desired. All else is Commentary

You are absolutely correct but Netanyahu has been badly wrong-footed. It is now far more difficult for Israel to bomb Iranian cities, with the consequent substantial loss of civilian life, now that the world realizes that the Iranian man in the street is just an ordinary Joe - just like you or me. Instead of being the trumped-up moral attack on alleged evil it would instead be seen for what it would be - murder.

The Likud leader will not be a happy political man, tonight.

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This is certainly true in the USA but probably less so in Israel. We live in interesting times.

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I believe that if Israel is so foolish as to bomb Iran, with American F16/ F15 fighter/bombers carrying US made bombs and missiles, in an unprovoked attack that kills hundreds of Iranian civilians and sets the Middle East alight - then you would be well advised to stock up on Potassium Iodide.

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From the surface it seems as if Obama's desire to engage Iran diplomatically is rooted in a misguided and unsubstantiated belief that the Iranian Government shares a reciprocal desire to come together.

It has been well documented over the years that the regime in Tehran is overwhelmingly unpopular in the eyes of Iranians themselves. Yet, is there any doubt that the rule of Ali Khamenei has been galvanized by Western antagonism? Essentially, Tehran has benefited from years of United Nations sanctions and other fiery rhetoric from places like Washington and London. Khamenei has allowed his underlings like Ahmadinejad to play the underdog "woe is us" card. In Khamenei's eyes, his government not only saves face by playing off of international pressure, but actually JUSTIFIES the breaking of international law.

What motivation would Khameini have to engage the United States in substantive talks? Just as Republicans accuse Obama of undermining American diplomacy by expressing a desire to engage in talks without preconditions with Tehran, Khameini would suffer a credibility crisis inside of Iran given the lengths Ahmadinejad has gone to distance Tehran from the west.

With cracks finally emerging within the ranks of Iran's ruling clerics, now is the time to take an unflinchingly hard stand against Tehran. For years the Bush administration never hesitated when speaking of its desire to see an internal uprising emerge within Iran by younger, better educated, and more liberal Iranians. Finally, with the outcry over the recent election, that has started to happen. If Obama continues on with his cautious, politically correct mantra, those potentially pro-Western dissidents inside of Iran will no doubt feel betrayed and unsupported.

For once I actually applaud Netanyahu for having the courage to speak the truth.

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"For years the Bush administration never hesitated when speaking of its desire to see an internal uprising emerge within Iran by younger, better educated, and more liberal Iranians."

They also never hesitated in condemning Saddam for torture, or assuming dictatorial powers.

They also never hesitated in funding Sunni terrorist organizations inside Iran, to the tune of 400 million.

Ahmadinejad didn't even get elected until after Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech, which was designed to send Iran rightward to better justify an American/Israeli attack/regime change.

And some of Ahmadinejad's antagonistic rhetoric was designed to raise the price of oil, which both he and Bush Inc. benefited from.

Iran has a right to use nuclear energy, and the IAEA and American National Intelligence Estimate have both concluded that Iran does not have an active nuclear weapons program.

There isn't a whole lot for Iran to negotiate, except perhaps disarming Israel's nuclear arsenal in exchange for permanent, pervasive inspections of its nuclear energy program.

Ahmadinejad never would have come to power, and Israel and its lobby wouldn't be acting so belligerently, if there was better military balance in the region and Israel didn't have such nefarious plans for the Palestinians.

This entire interest in and vilification of Iran is about a Sunni/Israeli/American quest for a consolidation of power in the region, which was planned well before 9/11:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm

Richard Perle wrote this for Netanyahu in 1996. All they needed was "Good Man" as president and a New Pearl Harbor.

Iran and the other Shiite countries were always part of the attack plan, as Wesley Clark explained:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY2DKzastu8&feature=fvst

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Ever notice how Hasbaraniks always give themselves All-American screen names?

I'm sure "Abe Lincoln" from Tel Aviv and "George Washington" from Ashdod will be posting soon.

I will draw the line, though, at "Jesus from Nazareth."

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Negotiations only work when each side has something to offer the other. In this particular case, the United States has nothing to offer Iran.

In spite of the ulterior motives of the Bush administration (i.e. regime change), the situation for Tehran isn't terribly different today than it was when GW was in the White House. Despite Obama's fig leaf aspirations, Khamenei can do nothing to weaken the U.S./Israeli alliance, therefore has nothing to gain by sitting down with the Obama administration.

Even if Obama isn't as gung ho about regime change as Bush was, Khamenei and Ahmadinejad will continue to represent a foreign policy road block because their stance will not have changed. It cannot change. Thus, it would seem as if the appropriate American response would be to embrace the pro-Mousavi activists and drive a wedge into the cracks which have begun to appear amongst the ruling clerics.

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And why wouldn't it be a good idea to just leave them the fuck alone?

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As Chomsky would say, "it makes sense if you believe that 'We own the World'."

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MJ,
I'm sure you'll agree with the following quote:

Why interfere? Why turn a widening confrontation between the Ayatollah Khamenei and the people into a spat between the president of the United States and the president of Iran?

It is impossible to believe a denunciation of the regime by Obama will cause it to stay its hand if it believes its power is imperiled. But it is certain that if Obama denounces Tehran, those demonstrators will be portrayed as dupes and agents of America before and after they meet their fate.

If standing up and denouncing the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad from 7,000 miles away is moral heroism, it is moral heroism at other people's expense.

Unfortunately its author is Pat Buchanan.

What sort of a situation is it where Pat Buchanan makes more sense than the prime minister of Israel?

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Why don't we just leave the Iranians alone?

For the same reason we preserve our alliance with Israel despite the fact that it creates far more foreign policy headache than any kind of benefit or solvency. So long as Tehran funds and arms radical groups like Hezbollah (thereby instigating Israel) or continues on with a nuclear program that the international community says it cannot have, the western world will see the opposition as being incumbent on the U.S.

It's debatable whether or not Obama fancies this responsibility. Given his desire to engage Tehran, you could very easily argue that he would rather do as you say and end the long standing war of words. But what is the alternative? Obama cannot and will not harness Netanyahu and American intervention in the matter is no doubt preferable to the fiery rhetoric that would spew out of Israel.

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The principal challenge facing the USA is to provide good education, health care and gainful employment for all its citizens. To do this it must stop tilting at windmills around the world and concentrate its resources on these tasks. This means dismantling to a great degree its grotesquely bloated military-industrial complex and disengaging from many of the areas which were a priority during the cold war. Israel is one of these areas.

Israel has painted itself into a such a terminal corner that we are watching the death throes of a democratic Jewish state: either it becomes officially a totalitarian, apartheid state or it disappears.

The Palestinian "state", which is supposed to solve this will only be a giant prison camp administered by the trustees.

Like a drowning man pulling his rescuers down with him, the moral blackmail Israel asserts on Jewish people everywhere is impossible for any of them to totally escape from. This pressure is warping the entire political and communications scene of the USA completely out of shape and if some distance is not put between the USA and Israel this grotesque partiality for a foreign state will eventually lead to a different relationship between Jewish people and the rest of Americans, not traditional antisemitism, but a cooling, a skepticism, a cynicism... Tragic for all of us.

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A hard-core Zionist is the only person who gets offended if you offer to treat him equally.

That, in a nutshell, is what ails the Kosher Sparta.

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"Like a drowning man pulling his rescuers down with him, the moral blackmail Israel asserts on Jewish people everywhere is impossible for any of them to totally escape from. This pressure is warping the entire political and communications scene of the USA completely out of shape and if some distance is not put between the USA and Israel this grotesque partiality for a foreign state will eventually lead to a different relationship between Jewish people and the rest of Americans, not traditional antisemitism, but a cooling, a skepticism, a cynicism... Tragic for all of us."

You might be right, David. However, I would say this is a function of old-fashion, but newly fashioned anti-Semitism. In principle, it's the same as large swaths of the "Muslim world" showing sympathy for OBL. To be sure, this "causes" the rest of the world to regard all Muslims with some "skepticism"--if not worse--but is it justified? Is sympathy for OBL justified?

See, for some reason, the largely Protestant power structure in this country never brings down skepticism upon Protestants everywhere...or Catholics everywhere...no matter how badly it acts. But when Israel invades Gaza, they start yelling "Get out Jew" in Venezuela. This is nothing but anti-Semitism. And anti-Semitism was largely the reason Israel came into existence to begin with.

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The right wing might not want Ahmadinejad to go away, just like they don't want abortion to go away, issues like this are the raw meat they rail against. If they lose too many enemies to rant against where will that leave them? Where does that leave the military/industrial complex?

On the other hand, if they can make one of their enemies go away and can then move in and take the seat of power themselves, well, that's an end to be desired.

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I've heard it from reliable sources in Iran (Fox News) that Iranians want us to liberate their oil.

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What Obama says has some actual consequences, so he should watch out. But who cares what Netanyahu says on the topic of Iranian elections, or his fondness for the people who were allegedly compared by him with Amelek?

(Amelek is an Israeli way of evading Goodwin law.)

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