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Americans, the events in Iran, and nuclear prospects

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Pres. Obama has been coming under a lot of pressure to express a more forthright stand in favor of the pro-Mousavi demonstrators in Iran. He is quite right to resist those pressures, for a number of reasons.

Meanwhile, the deep split within the Iranian regime that was dramatically revealed by Rafsanjani's absence from Khamenei's sermonizing Friday raises a whole new set of sobering prospects-- for Americans and for everyone else.

The first and most compelling reason why Obama's stand of non-intervention in Iranian politics is the right one is that this is a core principle of international affairs that goes back to the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia. This principle, remember, underlay the international order in Europe in which liberal democracy had the space to evolve in, in the first place.

Sticking to the principle of non-intervention doesn't at all preclude Obama or anyone else from expressing a strong preference for non-violence and the rule of law. But it really does preclude our government's leaders from expressing sympathy for one side or the other in a conflict inside another country.

Especially after eight years of rabid and disastrous George Bush interventionism overseas, restating the principle of non-intervention-- and acting in accordance with it-- is more necessary than ever.

Secondly, a more "instrumentalist" consideration: It is highly likely that any open expression of sympathy by our president for the pro-Mousavi side would backfire. (Update Sun a.m.: See Joe Klein on this, too.: "it seemed clear to me when I was in Iran--and even more clear, given the events of the past few days--that the protesters realize that they have to do this on their own. And that an American endorsement would taint their movement, perhaps fatally.")

Many Americans like to think that now that we have a new president, and especially after Obama's great speech in Cairo, Muslims everywhere must suddenly love America. That is absolutely not proven. If there is a deep change in Muslim attitudes to Washington, it will happen over time, and will be informed by Washington's actions not just our president's words.

In the GWB era, most of my friends in pro-democracy movements in Muslim countries were quite clear that the loud support that Bush expressed for their aspirations was a "kiss of death" for the movements they hoped to build. That may be changing in the Obama era. But it is far too early to say, yet, that what some people like to call "the Obama effect" has turned things completely around.

In Iran, the situation is further complicated by the involvement of the US government-- as started by Bush but also, sadly, continued by Obama-- in covert projects to foment dissent inside different parts of the country. And of course also by the tragic record of what happened in Iraq under a US occupation regime that for several years tried to justify its existence primarily in terms of a campaign for "democratization."

Bottom line here: An open "embrace" by Obama or the US Congress of the pro-Mousavi movement is much more likely to backfire than to help Mousavi.

Finally, and most importantly, we as the US citizenry need to keep our eye on the main ball in this question of our relationship with Iran.

As Americans, our strongest duty in all this to do what we can to avoid our government getting rushed, by anyone, into a military attack against Iran; and indeed to ensure that our government speedily ramps down the very dangerous degree of tension against Iran that it got locked into over the past 16 years.

We urgently need Washington to sit down the Iranian government in a constructive and broad-ranging negotiation over a number of issues including: Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran's nuclear program, the punishing sanctions we have maintained against Iran for many years, and how to coexist within a strategically rebalanced Persian Gulf region over the years ahead.

From this point of view, the present situation of unresolvedness in the leadership struggle in Tehran is quite possibly the worst outcome. For three reasons:

1. If there is no single, uncontested authority in Tehran, no-one there can make any strategic-level decisions concerning, or within, a big negotiation with Washington.

2. Instead of the US-Iran negotiation being conducted (or even planned) in an atmosphere of calm and realism on both sides, it will itself become inevitably tangled up with the leadership struggle in Tehran.

3. So long as internal dissension continues inside Tehran, there will be powerful voices in Washington that argue against any negotiations with it.

There is a very significant matter of timing here, too. We know that Israeli PM Netanyahu is eager to have a speedy deadline before which he wants the attempt at negotiation to show success. (And if it's not met, he will presumably sharply escalate his calls for a military attack.) We also know that Obama has said he wants to get the talks well underway by the end of the year.

Trita Parsi is the only other person I've seen who has zeroed in on this crucial issue of timing. He wrote:

if political paralysis reigns in Iran, valuable time to address the nuclear issue through diplomacy will be lost.

He wrote that, with great prescience, a week ago. Now, a week later, it is quite evident that what is underway inside Iran is a deep split within the core of the regime that will certainly take a long time to heal, and perhaps even to resolve.

As Gary Sick noted about Khamenei's fateful sermon yesterday -- and I'll quote this in full--

First, and perhaps more important than the words themselves, was the fact that Ayatollah Hashemi Rafsanjani did not attend. This is extraordinary. Khamene'i and Rafsanjani were fellow revolutionaries in 1978-79. They have been associates - sometimes close colleagues - for more than 50 years. Many believe that Rafsanjani was instrumental in getting Khamene'i his position as Leader. Rafsanjani today heads the Assembly of Experts, which is responsible for monitoring the performance of the Leader, among other things. This was possibly the single most fateful speech by Khamene'i in his 20 years as Leader of the Islamic Republic. How could Rafsanjani not attend? Did he simply boycott the event? Was he under house arrest? It probably didn't help that several of Rafsanjani's children were arrested in the previous 24 hours. We have never had such a graphic demonstration of political differences within Iran's ruling elite. (emphasis added)

This split within the regime is now so deep that "resolution" of it, and repairing the regime from its after-effects even once it has been resolved-- even if that were to happen tomorrow, which it almost certainly will not-- will probably take many months, if not a number of years.

A deep split in the heart of a regime that commands considerable capabilities in nuclear technology: That is another big consideration.

The fact of this split itself might well further propel the efforts of those in the regime who want to hasten the "breakout" from a civilian nuclear program to a military nuclear program. As happened in Pakistan, these people might well see this as their best defense against those from outside who want to continue to foment trouble inside their country.

... And meanwhile, the time-period within which the split inside the Iranian regime gets resolved and healed, or doesn't get resolved and healed, bumps up against the deadline that Netanyahu and his many remaining supporters in the US Congress have established for "resolving" the Iranian nuclear question.

Dangerous months ahead, I think.


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Read more at Just World News with Helena Cobban.


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Both houses of Congress just passed a resolution to meddle in Iran's affairs. This, from a body unable to find a solution to the health care crisis, which still has time for mischief like this.

Our country needs to coexist with the other nations in the world. The nature of the governments of those nations is a subject that only the UN has any authority at all to question. I get nervous even when Obama makes encouraging remarks about the protesters in Iran. Silence would really be golden at this time.

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What a luxury to read Helena Cobban in TPM!!!

As to:

Both houses of Congress just passed a resolution to meddle in Iran's affairs.

AIPAC at work.

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AIPAC never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity to do the right thing.

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Is this self-contradictory nonsense from Helena Cobban supposed to be a joke?

First she praises Obama's policy of non-intervention, "a core principle of international affairs that goes back to the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia."

Obama bases his Iranian policy on the Treaty of Westphalia!

Hurrah!!!

But while the non-interventionist Mr. Obama is pursuing his Westphalian policy of non-intervention...

In Iran, the situation is further complicated by the involvement of the US government-- as started by Bush but also, sadly, continued by Obama-- in covert projects to foment dissent inside different parts of the country.

Harharharhar!!!

So while Mr. Obama's non-interventionism precludes "our government's leaders from expressing sympathy for one side or the other in a conflict inside another country"...

It doesn't preclude kidnapping and murder within the borders of Iran.

Clandestine operations against Iran are not new. United States Special Operations Forces have been conducting cross-border operations from southern Iraq, with Presidential authorization, since last year. These have included seizing members of Al Quds, the commando arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and taking them to Iraq for interrogation, and the pursuit of "high-value targets" in the President's war on terror, who may be captured or killed.

So our non-interventionist President "sadly continues" murder and kidnapping operations by the black ops brigades of the JSOC in Iran (formerly directed by Obama's new best friend General Stanley McChrystal), but when it comes to expressing sympathy for pro-democracy protesters...

That would contradict the principles of non-intervention encoded in the Treaty of Wesphalia!

Harharharhar!!!

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On these boards, one could easily argue that everything goes back to the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia.

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The main outcome of the Treaty of Westphalia compared to the status quo ante prevailing after the Peace of Augsburg in 1555 was... the addition of Calvinism to a very short list of tolerated Christian denominations, with the choice between them belonging exclusively to local kings, princes, prelates, margraves, and all the rest of the royal and ecclesiastical zoo, under the principle of cuius regio, eius religio.

My state, my religion!

But Calvinism, Lutheranism, and Caltholicism didn't really exhaust the possibilities of inane theological schismatics, and innumerable sub-sects like the Anabaptists, which had somehow survived 30 years of total war, were finally exterminated or, worse yet, forced to emigrate to faraway America, where Protestantism was eventually transmogrified into the televangelical Gospel of Wealth with which we are all so nauseatingly familiar today.

Cuius regio, eius religio... within the narrow limits of exactly three recognized denominations, and there we finally arrive at a distant connection between the Treaty of Westphalia and American foreign policy as more or less imposed on the Middle East by Obama/Bush, where Hamas is the new Anabaptism... but the New World no longer receives persecuted denominations.

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I was going to challenge Cobban's claims sentence-by-sentence because I don't see much of anything in this piece that is remotely accurate w/re Obama and his foreign policy actions (we have not only "intervened" across the border of Iran but of Pakistan), Westphalia be damned!

Furthermore, I could argue that most of the major countries of Europe have been competitively interventionist in almost EVERY non-European country's politics nonstop since 1648!

But there's no joy in it.

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No joy?

Why didn't you tell me that before I wrote two long comments?

Now I'm depressed!

No joy!

But what the fuck!

The day I don't enjoy crushing yet another dim-witted apologist for Obama is the day I disconnect my broadband, move into a cave, and sleep on my beard!

It ain't happening yet!

And now...

Back to the attack!

Cobban not only goes completely wrong about the Treaty of Westphalia, she also blames the mess in Iran entirely on Bush and the Republicans, and this is even in a diary where the name of Rafsanjani appears as an inappropriate adornment to her heathen apologetics!

But Rafsanjani's administration in Iran was destroyed by the ridiculous, futile, and illegal regime of sanctions against Iran, which Bill Clinton enforced just as mindlessly from 1992 to 1995 as George H.W. Bush had enforced it before.

This idiocy produced runaway inflation in Iran, which eventually achieved an annual rate of more than 50%, Rafsanjani was kicked out of power, and the United States ended up with an unsolvable foreign-policy dilemma, which the blathering pretty man Barack Obama can't con his way out of with a meaningless speech in Cairo, although that speech was indeed...

Better than George W. Bush, and that's the only claim that any reasonable person should ever make about the fool for the banks and compulsive liar Barack Obama.

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Error alert!

Bill Clinton obviously didn't start enforcing sanctions against Iran until 1993, and let me rush to correct my previous post before some freakishly perceptive Obamabot chimes in and mars their perfect record of being wrong about everything, except...

Better than Bush!

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You are always a joy to read, Rootie. ;-)

I guess Cobban writes about what she wants to see, not what actually is (or ever was) there. That's an academic for you.

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Thanks. gasket! Tu quoque!

I panicked the last time you took a hiatus from TPMCafe!

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I had a few panicky moments too, as it was an unintentional vacation! But I'm back and I got your back, RR.

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Oh come on, Helena, you wrote a measured, sensible, logical post, rational. It was good reading. Where is the fun in some dumb intellectual telling us to cool our heels and be patient? We want to posture and strut about playing with our pee pees and mouthing "freedom" and "liberty" and the rest of it. Where's the fun if we can't screw things up?

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And if it's not met, he (Netanyahu) will presumably sharply escalate his calls for a military attack

A nuclear-armed Iran could well be a threat. As I write, Iran has no nuclear weapons although she is determined to build one or more to counter her perceived threat to her existence and her openly desired hegemony in the region by the knowledge that Israel is now, astonishingly, estimated to be the 5th most powerful nuclear state in the world. It would nevertheless take her about 20 years to reach parity with Israel's current arsenal of WMD.

Why America has colluded in this hugely unstable geo-political position, that can only be described both as grotesque and an existential threat to the world, is unfathomable. To take the position that a nuclear armed Israel, sitting in the center of an antagonistic ME, and supported and armed each year by billions of tax dollars as a result of AIPAC, is a prudent political path to follow - strains incredulity.

Such instability will eventually find equilibrium, in accordance with natural law, and that will probably be a contaminated wasteland extending across the ME into Europe, where no birds sing and no pretentious politicians pontificate. Just a silent place.

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The third Friday of every June, and March, September and December are referred to as quadruple witching days. Quadruple witching days are days on which the stock market sees a large gain towards the end of the day's trading in four different securities, stock index futures, stock market index options, stock options, and single stock futures. Single stock futures didn't use to be on the list, but were put on the list in 2002 as part of deregulation of the stock market. (We all know how that turned out.) It used to be known as triple witching (likely a reference to the 3 witches in MacBeth), and it means no payday loans no faxing for traders on quadruple witching day.

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Non-intervention does not mean that a spade cannot be called a spade. The "election" was a sham to begin with with only four of 458 candidates allowed to run. Would you stand for an election in this country where only candidates cleared by the ruling party could be on the ballot?

Then we see the results of millions of paper ballots announced a few hours after the polls closed. Now we hear of 50+ cities with more votes than registered voters. The "election" was rigged.

Presidential timidity now is defacto support for the crooks that are dumping on the Iranian people.

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This screed would have more credibilty if the USG didn't rubber stamp the legitimacy of the phony elections in Egypt.

And when, pray tell, will we ever demand elections in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan.

We only oppose dictatorship when it fails to serve the American Empire.

So you might want to save your canned "outrage."

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I totally reject the idea that our government should NEVER take sides in the internal politics in other nations -- it goes against the whole notion of universality of human rights. In the case of Iran now, yes. But in some instances, it's not such a bad thing -- when foreign nations made it clear they didn't want more Repuke hardline imperialism, or when nations' leaders express their exasperation w/Israeli hardline politics, or oppose apartheid, or have positions in other situations

as sammy davis jr said when asked if he was jewish -- "it depends"

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Like many others, I endorse the Jeffersonian foreign policy of "friends with all, allies with none" - and I think our nation should definitely start to make a more neutral stance. The fact is that our interventionist foreign policies over the last 50 years - World War 2 aside, which was quite justifiable - have cost us dearly, both in money and lives, and what have we ended up being able to show for it? Little. The current generation won't be able to enjoy a standard of living equitable to the previous few.
As to Obama decrying Iran's crackdown of protesters at his recent press conference, it is condemnable for any country to use force against it's own citizens if they are protesting for their political freedom. Obviously, there's no way of knowing if the elections there were rigged - but if they were, then the protests are indeed legitimate and the grievances of the Iranian people should be addressed by the Iranian government the correct way, which is not through intimidation, coercion, or secret police.

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