Why Not Recognize Israel As A Jewish State?
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's insistence that Palestinians recognize Israel as a "Jewish state" seems to rely on the certain knowledge that the Palestinians will never agree.
This demand is of recent vintage.
How recent? In 2006, after Hamas won the Palestinian elections, Israel demanded that the West insist on three conditions before dealing with it. Now known as the Quartet Conditions, they are still in effect today: "Hamas must recognize Israel, forswear terrorism and accept previous Palestinian commitments."
Note condition one. "Hamas must recognize Israel." Full stop. Not as a "Jewish state" or as anything else.
Like Jordan and Egypt, which signed peace treaties with Israel, Hamas is only asked to accord simple recognition. Of course, simple recognition is all Israel ever sought until now.
That should be good enough. I can't think of an example anywhere on the globe where one nation is required to accept another as anything.
Palestinians can (and most do) accept the reality of Israel. The Oslo breakthrough of 1993 occurred when Israel recognized the PLO in exchange for this pledge from Yasir Arafat: "The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security. The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338."
In all the years since, even during the horrific second Intifada, the Palestinians never retracted their recognition of Israel, and Israel maintained its recognition of the PLO as the "legitimate representative of the Palestinian people." Had either side renounced those conditions, there would be no peace process or even the possibility of a peace process.
But Palestinians have not recognized Israel as a "Jewish state" and no one should expect them to until the two sides enter "final status negotiations." Perhaps once Israel agrees to final borders, Palestinians will agree to recognize Israel as a "Jewish state" within those borders.
But without any definition of borders and with Netanyahu committed to expanding settlements in the West Bank, how can anyone seriously expect Palestinians to recognize Israel as a "Jewish state"?
Would that Jewish state include Hebron and Ariel? Would it include territory in the Jordan Valley? Would it include Silwan in Jerusalem?
Would that Jewish state have any obligation to the Palestinian refugees?
Would its designation as "Jewish" remove any sense that the Palestinians are native to the land?
Acceptance of Israel as a "Jewish state" is a non-starter at this point. And Netanyahu knows it. If that is a precondition for negotiations, there will be no negotiations. Instead, there will be an agreement imposed by the United States or no agreement at all, and another war or two or three.
Again, I see nothing wrong with Israel demanding recognition as a Jewish state in the context of final status negotiations, just as it will demand control over Jerusalem and ironclad security guarantees and just as Palestinians will demand Israel's return to the pre-'67 borders. But not in advance of negotiations.
Like every other issue, it can only be addressed in the context of unconditional negotiations, which means no series of demands that must be met in advance of them.
It is not only Palestinians who have problems with the "Jewish state" formulation. Secular Israelis believe that the Orthodox rabbinate controls way too much of their lives. In Jerusalem the ultra-Orthodox are actually demanding (and may get) segregated public buses, i.e., separate buses for men and women. A desperately needed new parking lot recently opened only to have the religious authorities succeed in getting it closed on Saturday. The food police can shut down restaurants or shops that don't observe religious dietary laws (woe to the shopkeeper who has bread on his shelves during Passover). Not to mention the stranglehold the Orthodox rabbinate has over marriage, divorce, and citizenship.
Americans would never tolerate this. In fact, because we have a constitution and a First Amendment, even the most fervent Christian fundamentalist would not dream of demanding the kind of restrictions routinely imposed on all Israelis.
It is easy to imagine how formal recognition of Israel as a "Jewish state" rather than as the "State of Israel" could be used to make life even more difficult for the secular majority of Israelis.
There is another thing wrong with the whole "Jewish state" demand; it is antithetical to Zionism.
Zionism is the self-determination movement of the Jewish people. That means that it is the Jews themselves who created their state and who define it. The "self" part of "self-determination" means that a nation does not rely on the recognition of other people to validate or legitimize them.
Why should Israel need Palestinians to recognize Israel's religious identity? Before Yitzhak Rabin became prime minister in 1992, Israel did not even recognize Palestinians as a separate people at all. In fact, even today, neocons in Israel and the United States insist that Palestinians are "just Arabs" who invented their Palestinian nationality as a response to Zionism.
But what difference does it make? So long as Israelis and Palestinians recognize their mutual rights to self-determination and security, either side can consider the other as anything it wants.
I don't know when the right-wing of the pro-Israel camp became so nervous and whiny. Of course, I grew up in the era (following the Six Day War) when Israelis were the tough guys in the region. The last thing they would have cared about was how they were defined by others.
But those were more confident days. The same people who say they need recognition of Israel's character as a Jewish state routinely liken the Jewish condition today to that of the 1940s, implying that neither the IDF nor a nuclear arsenal has succeeded in ending Jewish powerlessness. They are locked in a pre-1948 state of mind.
No, Israel does not need recognition as a Jewish state; its character is for citizens of Israel, not Palestinians, to decide. That is what Zionism means.
The only thing Israel needs from Palestinians is recognition of its right to exist in peace and security (which already was offered by both Arafat and Abbas) and ironclad security guarantees to ensure that a Palestinian state will not threaten Israel. That goes without saying; every peace proposal ever considered by Israelis and Palestinians contains those security mechanisms.
Of course, security is a two way street. That is why it is good news that the United States is coupling its demand for an end to settlements with the immediate easing of the blockade of Gaza.
Israel is saying that it won't let necessary goods into Gaza until Gilad Shalit is free, as if a suffering child in Gaza has anything to do with Shalit's imprisonment. Shalit should be released now. But the collective punishment of a million Gazans also must end. Now.
Arguing about what constitutes recognition is ridiculous. The only thing that matters is that both Israelis and Palestinians are safe, and feel safe, in their own sovereign countries. The rest is posturing.
THIS MUST BE READ as it comes from Caroline Glick, Jerusalem Post columnist who emigrated from the US. Why is it worth reading? Because this is what passes as political commentary on the Israeli right. Her point: Israel should embrace the Iranian demonstrators, hug them to its bosom, because that will enhance their legitimacy. Craziest line: "if they fail to overthrow the regime, and Israel is compelled to attack their country's nuclear installations, it is hard to imagine that they will take it personally. "



















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June 19, 2009 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention the stranglehold the Orthodox rabbinate has over marriage, divorce, and citizenship.
Americans would never tolerate this. In fact, because we have a constitution and a First Amendment, even the most fervent Christian fundamentalist would not dream of demanding the kind of restrictions routinely imposed on all Israelis.
No kidding. However, I only recently became aware of this. I credit the Times' article on the New York Syrian Orthodox Jewish community as key. I'm not real religious nor are my Jewish friends so I suppose it is no surprise that many of them had no idea about the rather peculiar laws impacting marriage and some other customs. It's odd because Israel is at once an advanced Western Country - Tel Aviv is open and diverse. But then there is Jerusalem.
Keep up the good fight. It is in both Israel's interest and ours.
June 19, 2009 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I pointed out in a previous thread, Netanyahu clearly stated he was ready to begin talks immediately, without preconditions. He did not say recognition of Israel as a Jewish state was a precondition. Now, one may legitimately believe Netanyahu's version of a two-state solution, including recognition of Israel as a Jewish state or whatnot, is one that would never be accepted by the Palestinians, but that is a different issue. To be sure, the Palestinians have been offered far better terms, indeed nearly all of what most of us believe approximate is the only final agreement that could accommodate both sides legitimate aspirations, most recently by Olmert, but have repeatedly turned them down. Predictably, the Palestinian response has been "not in a thousand years," while putting forth no coherent demands of their own. Yet, I have not seen a single commentator here direct even a shred of criticism at the Palestinian leadership - if such a thing exists. Wouldn't it be refreshing if someone with credibility on the Palestinian side stepped forward to say here is our vision of peaceful two-state solution. Can anyone here even tell me what the Palestinian position is - other than the return of all refugees?
Which brings me back to Netanyahu's iteration, unfortunately expressed, of recognition of Israel as a Jewish state (or more appropriately, homeland for the Jews). In essence, the demand goes to the heart of the issue: recognition that Jews have a legitimate claim to the land, just as Israel must come to recognize Palestinian the legitimacy of claims through creation of a Palestinian state. Despite their grudging recognition that Israel is here to stay, it seems quite clear to me that Palestinians (and the Arab world in general) have never accepted the right of Jews to self-determination in this land, instead insisting on the return of millions of refugees that would overwhelm and completely transform Israel.
June 19, 2009 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
AG,
Unfortunately all sides prefer to talk in sound bites or in fine print, instead of talking about quantitative issues that can (or perhaps can't) be resolved, but at least should be discussed. The "Arab peace initiative" offers full recognition of Israel in exchange for return to 1967 borders, Palestinian state (so far, so good), and full right of return of all Palestinian refugees from 1948 to Israel. Aha. As we all know, in 1948 there were from 520,000 (Israeli estimate) to 730,000 (UNRWA estimate) to 850,000 (Palestinian estimate) of the refugees - and about 800,000 Jews thrown out of the Arab countries in response to creation of Israel. 60 years later there are no Jewish refugees in Israel - we know that this notion is laughable, Mizrahi Jews and their descendants are organic part of Israeli society. There are about 4.5 mln descendants of the 1948 Arab refugees, carefully kept stateless and segregated by their Arab brethren (with the exception of about 1.6 mln in Jordan), to be used as cannon fodder against Israel. Return them all to Israel - and they immediately vote the Jews out - which seems to be the point.
That's the crux of the problem, and it should be discussed as such. Perhaps Netanyahu doesn't want to mention this because that would also require talking about 1967 borders and Palestinian state; instead he brings up vague and undefinable notion of Jewish state, giving an advantage to his opponents, who are equally unwilling to talk substance - their desire to throw the Jews out, by force or by vote. Too bad. In 1999 - 2000 that has been openly discussed, and the talks stalled exactly because Palestinians would not drop the dream of getting rid of the Jews one way or the other. IMHO, US should not bother to talk about Jewish state (or try to understand what everyone means by that), and present a clear plan with numbers, maps and security guarantees, based on Clinton parameters of 2000.
June 19, 2009 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed.
One caveat: Netanyahu did talk about it to the extent of stating the obvious: that the Palestinian refugee problem would be solved outside Israel's borders. The reason the Palestinian's have such a problem with the concept of a Jewish state - even a multinational one that respects the rights of its sizable Arab minority - is that this would mean giving up on its core position: that 4.5 million refugees should be returned to Israel. As long as that remains their position, any Israeli leader, even one far more magnanimous and peace-minded than Bibi, is talking into the wind.
June 19, 2009 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
A Jewish state is--and always has been--possible in Palestine only if the Arabs (or most of the Arabs) are gotten rid of. If the Arabs recognize Israel as Jewish, then they effectively consent to their having been gotten rid of. The Israelis know this and therefore they press for it. The Arabs also know it and therefore they resist. The Jewish self-determination that AG describes has always been possible only through the dispossession of the Palestinians. So for the Arabs to agree to Jewish self-determination also means agreeing to their own dispossession. That so many supporters of Israel seem to think that the Palestinians are despicable for refusing to agree to their own dispossession betrays the utter arrogance of the pro-Israeli point of view. This is one reason the Arabs so dislike Israel: the whole concept of creating a Jewish state in a land full of Arabs suggests that Jewish rights supersede Arab rights and, ultimately, that Jewish people and their needs take precedence over Arab people and their needs.
June 20, 2009 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, Purple State, you agree with AG and me, that the ultimate Arab goal is to get rid of Jewish self-determination in Palestine, and you support this goal. Nice to know.
It follows that no elected head of Israeli government can by definition agree to peace with Arabs based on this premise. Are you willing to reconsider your goal for the sake of peace, or you think Israeli Jews should reconsider their existence as free and independent people based on your position?
June 20, 2009 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The ultimate goal of the Arabs is to be able to return to their homeland (which is their right under international law) and to exercise in that homeland their own right to self-determination. If so-called "Jewish self-determination" prevents them from doing this, then yes, the Arabs are against this type of "Jewish self-determination."
But let's be clear about what we're talking about. The only right of self-determination I recognize is the right of individuals to have a voice in their government, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, etc. The Jews in Israel seem to believe they have some kind of group right to create a state for Jews, despite the fact that much of the population of Israel was (and still is) Arab. This so-called right of Jewish self-determination conflicts directly with the individual rights of Arabs. And in my opinion the individual rights of Arabs (and of all people) have precedence.
A comparison can be made to the American South in the 1960s. Certainly American Blacks had a right to self-determination--i.e., to have an equal voice in their government--but this doesn't mean that American Blacks had a right to create their own Black state. Doing so would have violated the rights of Southern Whites. What was required was a state where all individuals--regardless of group membership--had an equal ability to participate and help form their government. This is what is required in my opinion in Israel too.
June 20, 2009 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Purple State:
No, a better comparison can be made to abstinence-only sex education: I believe that it works, so it must be effective. Try to promote your beliefs to Czechs in former Sudetenland, or to Poles in former Danzig. Somehow billions of people living in their nation-states wouldn't agree. Nor would Arabs, who rejected every partition plan since 1930s - they want it all, by force or by vote. E.g. Hamas, whom some bloggers here celebrate as elected representatives of Palestinians, explicitly deny any rights of Jews in Palestine. Jews know very well what such denials mean in practice. Hanna Arendt, 1941:I think over half dozen wars have proven conclusively that Jews and Arabs need to live in separate states (as groups, not individuals). If, instead of supporting some sort of equitable separation, you prefer to stick to your beautiful beliefs - you're asking for wars to go on indefinitely.
June 21, 2009 6:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
So what do you do about the 20% of Israelis who are Arabs? They already live together, despite your belief they can't. This isn't just about the Palestinians living under Israeli occupation--it's also about justice for one-fifth of Israeli citizens.
June 21, 2009 7:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
What about them? They are citizens of Israel with full rights, represented in Knesset, Supreme Court, etc. The only right they don't have is conscription service in the Army (AFAIK, they may volunteer, I'm not sure). Their rights are same as rights of minorities in other nation-states, like Arabs in France, or Pakistanis in Britain. What's wrong with that?
June 21, 2009 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except they have one hell of a time buying any property . . .
June 21, 2009 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unlike the 800,000 Jews which have been just thrown out the Arab countries, and now have no problems buying property - in Israel.
Seriously though, discrimination against Arab citizens is opposed now by a considerable part of Israeli Jews. When and if Arabs buying property in Israel will no longer be perceived as a part of larger Arab design to get Jews completely out of the Middle East by whatever means available (i.e. after a peace treaty with Finality of Claims clause), I'm sure that difficulties for Arab citizens of Israel to buy property there would disappear as well.
June 21, 2009 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why should the US recognize Israel as a "Jewish" state
Why should any country recognize another as this or that sort of state?
June 19, 2009 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
RE: ...neocons in Israel and the United States insist that Palestinians are "just Arabs" who invented their Palestinian nationality as a response to Zionism.
NETANYAHU'S FATHER: "...The Bible finds no worse image than this of the man from the desert. And why? Because he has no respect for any law. Because in the desert he can do as he pleases. The tendency towards conflict is in the essence of the Arab. He is an enemy by essence. His personality won’t allow him any compromise or agreement. It doesn’t matter what kind of resistance he will meet, what price he will pay. His existence is one of perpetuate war..."
"...The two states solution doesn’t exist. There are no two people here. There is a Jewish people and an Arab population...there is no Palestinian people, so you don’t create a state for an imaginary nation...they only call themselves a people in order to fight the Jews..." - Benzion Netanyahu, 2009 interviewÂ
SOURCE OF NETANYAHU'S FATHER'S WORDS - http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/04/04/bibis-fathers-answer-to-the-arab-problem-hang-em-in-the-town-square/
June 19, 2009 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
MJ you make a very good argument for why the Palestinians should not be compelled to recognize Israel as a Jewish state but then you say Perhaps once Israel agrees to final borders, Palestinians will agree to recognize Israel as a "Jewish state" within those borders.
Why? For example, the US would never recognize Mexico as a Catholic state say if they were trying to reverse the growth of evangelical prosletyzing going on there.
June 19, 2009 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point
June 19, 2009 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not really. The better analogy would be asking the US to recognize Mexico as a Mexican state. Of course, we don't have to because it goes without saying. It's a recognition that Mexicans have a right to a state in Mexico so it would be absurd for France or Morocco to make a claim to the land we know now as Mexico. Syvanen's point is a well-worn canard. Israel, the state, is a homeland for the Jewish people, not the Jewish religion. Just as Palestine would presumably be a state for the Palestinian people. This does not negate the citizenship and rights of the Arab minority in Israel (though some would undoubtedly attempt to use it as such), unlike the nascent Palestinian state, which would undoubtedly exclude Jews.
June 19, 2009 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Syvanen's point is a well-worn canard.
So that means this is a point that has been made and debated before. Perhaps you could point out where this has appeared. The demand the Israel be recognized as a Jewish state appeared for the first time only in 2006(a) and I didn't notice it until recently.
(a)http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/20/743815/-Recognition-Plus:-Bibis-Four-Corners-Offense
June 21, 2009 12:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
The well worn canard I was referring to is the notion that the Jewish people are not distinct and as such are not entitled to a state on the basis of religion. It is a familiar line that is trotted out to deny Israel's legitimacy. Hence, your comparison to Mexico as a Catholic state misses the mark. The more apt comparison would be Mexico as a Mexican state to which Texans, for example, would renounce their claim.
The concept of a Jewish homeland is something that would be implicit in any partition plan. Obviously, the state of Palestine would be a state for Palestinians, indeed, far more explicitly than Israel is a state for the Jews as it seems to be conditioned on removal of all Jews from its territory. The Palestinians' unwillingness to accept this is tantamount to a refusal to accept Israel as is - in other words, a Jewish majority state in the Middle East. Instead, while paying lip service to the existence of "Israel" they insist on a condition that would fundamentally alter its character - the return of close to 5 million refugees.
The explicit demand may be of recent vintage, but the dispute goes to the heart of the conflict: each side's willingness to accept the legitimacy of the other's claim to self determination in this tiny strip of land.
June 21, 2009 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Forgive me if I say it one more time: Likud's objective is, and always has been, a Greater Israel, ethnically-cleansed of all Muslims, Arabs, Christians or anyone else - from Eilat in the south to the Syrian border in the north.
The impressively new mandatory condition to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, is merely a stratagem to confuse the simple.
Solution: stop all aid and trade with both the US and the EU until such time as Israel behaves like a civilized member of the international community of nations.
Until then, the rest is posturing.
June 19, 2009 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Recognizing Israel "as a Jewish state" is just a propaganda phrase that is used to forestall diplomacy. What on earth does it mean? - no one knows. Just the same use as the fairy tale about the Arab Peace Initiative or the 2000-2001 talks breaking down over refugee issues. The Arab Peace Initiative speaks only of attaining "a just solution to the problem of Palestinian refugees to be agreed upon in accordance with the UN General Assembly Resolution No 194. " Israel accepted GA 194 when it was written, many decades ago, so Israel is just being asked to reiterate a vague and longstanding committment. And in any case the Palestinians arguably have already "recognized Israel as a Jewish [why not shmooish?] state". A week or so before he died, Arafat made such a noise to a couple of Ha'aretz journalists. In my more cynical moments, I think that this is what made Israel finally decide to ice him.
June 19, 2009 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
the Palestinian government can't recognize Israel as a Jewish state since they depend upon the hatred of Jews for their very existence. Palestinians kids are taught from a young at that Jews are pigs and how to repeat the hatred with perfect intonation for foreign media and staged injury films. those who propose recognizing Israel, at all, let alone as a Jewish state with a significant Arab minority (~20%) are murdered. freedom of speech and religion is non-existent,and any Jew in a Palestinian area is at risk of being murdered..and often is. to pretend Israel has any chance of making peace with the current Palestinians terrorists in charge is absurd even though the Israelis are serious. instead, the Palestinian government and people need a complete reboot that no one is interested in providing. not the elite Palestinian government officials getting rich off of international donations. not the mullahs who are preaching hatred and keeping their mosques full. not the UN that will probably lead us into WWIII. not oil rich dictators in OPEC who need a distraction to avoid political turmoil and unrest. not the Europeans who can't stand Jews but after the holocaust can't just say it. so instead, the Palestinians give them a good excuse to go back to their bigoted roots. and not those living in 56 separate Muslims countries who prefer that all Jews are dead and want to make sure there isn't a single country for Jews. hatred lives and this type of article and responses posted here prove it.
June 19, 2009 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yasser
You are right - everyone in the region hates Israelis - no question. But you made a slip of the pen when you implied that because Israelis are Jewish - that we are also hated. That, of course, is complete nonsense, and you would know that full well - unless, of course, you lived in Israel.
Jewish communities around the world are saddened at Israel's behavior and we write posts like this to try to encourage public opinion to get their national governments to apply pressure to Israel to make peace in the region - and, as a consequence, to reduce the chance of world war.
Israel is the 5th most powerful nuclear state in the world - although I have no idea why - and that makes the status quo extremely dangerous for us all, everywhere. That is why we take time from our work and our off-time, to write, to explain and to persuade our co-religionists not to make war but to respect human rights and international agreements. Otherwise a nuclear war will be inevitable.
June 19, 2009 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"No, Israel does not need recognition as a Jewish state; its character is for citizens of Israel, not Palestinians, to decide. That is what Zionism means."
Wrong answer. Without Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish State or state of the Jewish People in a final peace agreement, this conflict will not be finally and truly settled.
If the Palestinians and most of the Arab world seem willing to recognize Israel it is only because they have no military or other option. Yet, it has been clear over many years, from statemetns, actions and conversations, that many Palestinians see a peace agreement not as an end, but as a means to an end--the first step to reversing 1948 and the only option they have left to do so.
In the context of this conflict, a real peace can only be one where all actual and potential future claims are laid to rest. Yes, this kind of recognition is going to be a very difficult pill for Palestinains to swallow. Yet, meaningful agreements usually involve painful compromises on both sides.
June 20, 2009 1:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
When the Israelis finally write their constitution that explains exactly what a Jewish state is then maybe the Palestinians can recognize it as such. But until the Israelis get their constitution written, I don't see why the Palestinians should have to recognize what the Israelis themselves have found too difficult to define!
June 20, 2009 8:30 AM | Reply | Permalink