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Protesters aren't about ending the Islamic Revolution, they're about getting back to it

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Ali Gharib writes:

The regime is NOT going to collapse. And that's not the goal of any of those marching Tehran's streets.

This is not about ending the Islamic Revolution, it's about getting back to it. For all his talk of returning it to its roots, Ahmadinejad's slow crawl from a defacto dictatorship to a dejure one is a shift away from the Revolution, which was, let's not forget, first and foremost about getting rid of the dictatorial and tyrannical Shah, not about Islam and that state.

Moussavi has made clear that the people are behind him not for his sake, but for the sake of the Republic that they love. Likewise, the emerging ritual of standing at windows, balconies, and rooftops at around 10pm and shouting "Allah-o-akbar" is a call of hope for the idealism of 1979 -- hardly a time an anti-IRI movement would look to. I think it's the most moving thing to come out of the whole ordeal so far:


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Read more at Mondoweiss.


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Is it not the case though that the people who are protesting and wanting to "get back to the Islamic Revolution believe deeply that is was/is a people's revolution and democratic? Seems to me that regardless of intent, the actual effect of this burst of protest to strengthen the yearning for real democracy where the people and not the mullahs are sovereign.

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I agree with oleeb...

This isn't about thinking that the Iranian people looking for a radical change in the country's foreign policy. In fact the discontent is mainly about Iranian domestic policy from what I can see. It is also about the will of the Iranian people, and all people's across the globe, being done when the do get a chance to choose how they are governed. The Iranian people, not the US or the mullahs, should be the only ones who have a say in how they are governed. And I am not sure that the voice of the Iranian people is being heeded within Iran. I think that the Iranian people want to have full and good standing in the world community and this is a way of them expressing that desire...the mullahs are the main obstacle in the way to that goal.

As an aside though I do think an Iranian government less radical/religiously extreme and more moderate would be a good thing for Iran, the region and the world.

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Amazing video, Mr. Horowitz. And I believe your interpretation is correct. Perhaps Montazeri's statements today will help bring about a constitutional removal of Ahmadinejad and Khamenei.

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It strikes me as a real life reenactment of the movie Network...they're mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore. And from what I understand they are yelling "Allah-o-akbar" to be able to show their displeasure by yelling something that they can't get in trouble for yelling.

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OMG, where to begin… No wonder Solzhenitsyn felt exasperated about the Western “intellectuals” retreading discredited Russian paths of 19-20 centuries.

Let’s see – a victorious revolution against dictatorial and ultimately impotent monarchy, a bunch of fanatical ideologues riding the popular wave to power, and unhesitatingly resorting to brutal terror in order to grab and hold it; populist “democracy” as a thin cover for state terror, ideological fanaticism, adventures abroad and support of ideologically close foreign terrorists; ineffective and ignorant economic policy, which squanders vast natural reserves (poverty of your own people isn’t considered a reason to curtail pumping huge sums into foreign comrades, nor into the source of utmost pride – WMD); disastrous war drawn to successful conclusion over dead bodies of untold thousands of your own soldiers sent to certain death by incompetent tyrants. Where have I seen all this before? Oh yes, not to be missed – a bunch of useful idiots in the West, who applaud the heroic people who love their Republic so much (with a particularly nauseating twist of being moved by thousands of people shouting “Allah-o-akbar”). Can’t these people understand a totalitarian state 60 years after Orwell?

Of course it’s

not about ending the Islamic Revolution, it's about getting back to it.
Ask any former Soviet dissident – that’s how the slippery path has been entered by many of them (of us, if I may say) – e.g. reading Bukharin in Samisdat, cheering on the “Prague spring”, etc.

Yes, I guess the goal of the vast majority of those Tehran marchers is not to break the regime, but to purify it, and return it to its noble roots. And Moussavi is not a liberal, but a close confidant of Khomeini (brings back the memories of all those “true Leninists”, wiped out by Stalin, or of the “true revolutionaries” of Rohm, wiped out by Hitler in 1934).

But whatever the marcher’s perceived goal may be, the “noble roots” are covered with blood and poison, and there can be only 2 outcomes – the regime either crushes them, or it falls. I hope for the latter, but fear the former. I guess the best possible outcome would be something like China after Tiananmen, or the Soviet Union during Khruschev’s “thaw”, with hope that either economic collapse will bring political change, or that reasonable economic policy will make political repression untenable in a very long run. But in the long run we’re all dead…

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Anatol,
Thank you for lecturing us from adding to everyone else's ignorance with your own. But if you want to use Russia as a template I'll explain to you how it works:
Liberals are the party of the urban middle class and of the oligarchs (read up a bit on Rafsanjani) and the conservatives are the party of the urban and the rural poor.

The country is divided. You're rooting for the revolutionary bourgeois.

There, does that help?

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There, does that help?
No.

1984 by Orwell (and my humble post) are not necessarily about Russia - they're about repressive totalitarian societies, and the ways they might crumble (Orwell didn't see any hope, but he died in 1950). Stale paleo-Marxist babble doesn't cut it.

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Is it possible in your universe to accept the fact that Ahmadinejad actually DID win by a 60+ majority? Or is it possibly that that's irrelevant? Democracy is only a legitimate decision process if it delivers the desired result. The same thing happened in Gaza with Hamas.

Read the Politico article here:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23745.html.

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Reading Juan Cole, the twitters and the initial raw video, it is hard to conclude anything other than that the election was stolen or nullified. That is the main thing the eruptions are about. I agree the Islamic nature of Iran govt won't fall. It might remain a republic or it might become an "Islamic regime" as one anon. Iranian journalist said. Some of us in the West project our own categories onto it, and our own agendas as well (viz. neocons, WSJ). Others are trying to watch, learn, and understand just what is going on in that country, in that context. Let us try to do more of the latter.

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I think the Iranian experience, especially for young Iranians, is so fundamentally different from ours that it is best for us to watch, learn and try to understand (thank you Rockridge). And all three of these actions requires us to remove our own self-editing cultural and ideological blinders. Americans are so used to having complex trends and events boiled down into sound bites that it has almost become impossible for us to observe and then learn from the observation.

I am learning a lot from observing what we can gather here from what is happening in Iran. Much of it is instructive and inspiring.

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Robert Fisk reports:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/17/2600571.htm

Fisk also concludes:

[The protest] is absolutely not against the Islamic republic or the Islamic revolution.

It's clearly an Islamic protest against specifically the personality, the manner, the language of Ahmadinejad. They absolutely despise him but they do not hate or dislike the Islamic republic that they live in.

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