Wars of Choice
The very idea of a war of choice is intriguing. I would have thought that virtually every war is a war of choice. Surely, the American Revolution was a war of choice, on both sides. The Mexican War was a war of choice (we wanted territory) as was the Civil War. Indeed, many northerners vehemently opposed the use of force to compel the Southern states to remain in the Union. The Spanish-American War was certainly a war of choice, as was World War I.
Protecting our right to the "freedom of the seas," Wilson's justification for entering the war, was hardly a matter of necessity, and there was widespread opposition to Wilson's choice to enter the European conflict. World War II might seem like a war without choice, but of course that's false. After Pearl Harbor, FDR could readily have negotiated an agreement with the Japanese and just left well enough alone. In truth, FDR had been itching for a chance to enter the war. The Korean War was a war of choice, as was the Vietnam War. So, although one can, I suppose, hypothesize a situation in which war is not a choice -- perhaps Poland in 1939 -- such situations are in fact few and far between.
Arguably, in more than 200 years, the United States has never fought a war other than by choice. So, all things considered, I'm not at all sure this is a useful concept.


















Thanks. I'm pretty convinced it's not that useful a concept either. I guess you can say that a war is not a war of choice only if you have 2 options: fight or surrender your freedom to an invading power (or... stand there and die).
But then, how on Earth does Gulf War I meet a standard like that?
June 9, 2009 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or, to put it another way, wars -- Diplomacy by other means -- are to be judged on a utilitarian scale.
If the benefits to the elite's status and long-term prospects outweigh the costs, then, war is a reasonable choice.
N.B. Of course one does have to drag the stupid demos along. But as Goering pointed out, that task is never a very difficult one.
June 9, 2009 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lots of quibble room in definitions, but surely one side chooses to act, the other side reacts. Rare that a major attack in force will be accepted or ignored.
And sometimes neither side seems to choose, as in WW I. Wars of reaction and accident are not obviously necessity, but I can't find another word to describe the entering of WW II after having war declared on us. And when most of the world agrees a war was started unjustifiably, by choice (Kuwait), I would agree with calling it necessity to answer the action.
And I would easily agree to call invading Iraq an act of choice, especially since we used the phrase "At a time and place of our choosing" to describe the schedule of our promised action.
June 9, 2009 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Associated with every policy action, before it is taken, are all sorts of estimates of risks and rewards, costs and benefits. In light of those estimates, and the expected values assigned to alternative courses of action, the dividing line between something I must do and something I might do is still likely to be a vague one.
But this doesn't seem to get at the main area of contention in national security and foreign policy debates among US citizens. Like most normal human beings, I was personally raised to believe that there are only certain extreme circumstances under which it is permissible to kill other human beings. Even if one has some interest that cannot be defended in any other way than by killing, that does not make it permissible to kill unless the interest in question is something on the order of life and death: saving one's own life or the life of some loved one or innocent. I can't kill someone to, for example, hang onto my parking space at work, or even protect my job or salary, even if no other measures for protecting these interests are available to me.
And of course there are a number of moral traditions that build on these widespread condemnations of killing, traditions that attempt to give some definition to the narrowly circumscribed sphere of licit killing.
That doesn't seem to be the way most foreign policy practitioners are educated to think. For them, a nation's interests are the Alpha and Omega. If one's nation's interests are best served by killing, you do that; and if they are best served by doing something other than killing, then you don't kill.
This gap between the commonsense morality of most human beings, and the alien codes of the practitioners of "statecraft" seem to turn every foreign policy and national debate, for me, into a confusing and disorienting conflict of incommensurable outlooks. The leaders of states, and the advisory classes that attend them, just seem like so many criminal gangs engaged in their own private, amoral speculations about whom to whack and who not to whack in the pursuit of their peculiar business. I suspect a lot of us would rather not get involved with them. On the other hand, since they are in charge of everything, we have little choice.
June 9, 2009 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice.
Yes, 'choice' is a stand-in for the difference between must and might. We might say, necessary vs. optional/possible. But then we should ask just what it is which necessitates an action, and just what it is which allows an action, not take either for granted. This goes quickly to metaphysics and fundamental values, or it sheds light on confusions or deceptions. Of course some "elite" might prefer not to have that light shed, and thus we have the possibility of internal strife in a nation. And of course the justifications given for an action often are not the necessitating reasons held by the actor (whether an individual, a cabal, or a single leader/decider).
A small quibble: It's not just defending interests, but promoting them, which is at issue when considering justifications for action in the world at any level.
June 9, 2009 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I could imagine Tony Soprano and Silvio Dante discussing whether some major hit against an upstart gang was a "whack of choice" or "whack of necessity". They agree that hanging onto the cocaine business in Atlantic City is a "vital DiMeo family interest". Tony thinks they can defeat their upstart rivals and drive them out through warnings alone and price competition, so that killing them is a whack of choice. Silvio thinks they have to kill them.
The rest of us can understand what they are talking about, but think they are both totally fucked up psychopaths.
June 9, 2009 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
But neither one, in your summary, gets into the the question I raised - don't just assume, but look at the reasons for going Tony's way or Silvio's way (or Carlito's Way).
"must" means "no other way, given where we are"
"might" means "we could go this way, no negative musts"
Of course the "given" isn't always a matter of broad consensus... and I'd say that Silvio's way calls for the higher burden of proof in general.
June 9, 2009 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm admittedly lacking in a knowledge of history, but it seems downright silly to compare the "preventive" invasion of Iraq and our defensive and somewhat reluctant entrance into WWII (I'm aware FDR was itching to get in, lend lease and more, but most of America was not, and we didn't declare war until Pearl Harbor). Iraq was not even making credible verbal threats towards the US, was not developing WMDs (and had they been, still posed no imminent threat), and of course, despite Cheney's failed propaganda, had no links to Bin Laden. In any war a decision (choice) is made to fight, but defensive military action (even if pumped up to a degree) shouldn't be confused with an aggressive invasion of a non-threatening country.
June 9, 2009 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Iraq after 2000 was a UN clean-up operation, all conspiracy theories and the like aside.
Was the invasion as happened necessary? No way, there is no moral necessity to March 17-19, 2003 conduct by Bush&Co, unless a fervent and fevered desire for illusory greatness counts.
June 9, 2009 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, we only declared war in the Pacific War (though I think it's reasonable to argue that Pearl Harbor was the operational equivalent of a declaration of war!). In the European War, Germany declared war on us first.
June 9, 2009 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Every act is a choice unless you're psychotic
I never realized that there was ambiguity in the term "war of choice"
I took for granted that everyone knew what it meant
June 9, 2009 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The issue isn't whether Iraq was a war of choice, but what impelled that choice? It doesn't matter that the war is... Why was the war launched?
Before the invasion, the Bush Administration expected to find something that would validate war - remnants of a nuclear program, stockpiles of old CBW. Something. The warmakers, and their minions in the media like Judith Miller, could point to any old leaky anthrax vile they dug up and say, "See... we were right. He had WMD and was ready to use them!" Maybe even killer kites or balsa-wood drones to plume mushroom clouds over American cities. Fantastic stuff. Fairy-tale stuff.
Something...
But they found nothing. Saddam had destroyed everything he had - if, indeed, he really ever had any WMD, other than the gas we gave him to drop on helpless "foes" like the Kurds.
It was then that Excuse B came into play, and we were mollified with high-minded hogwash that the war was about "spreading democracy" and removing a ruthless tyrant - although, of course, democracy doesn't germinate Bolshevik-style, at the point of a gun, and the world is filled with too many tyrants that we can afford to topple.
We've never been told the reason for the war. We can speculate. We can deduce. We can be pretty sure, since they tortured people over the issue, Administration strategists were dubious themselves about Saddam's nonexistent "connections" to 9/11; they blew more energy ignoring reports he was blameless than they did cooking up lies he was tight with al Qaeda. They knew their "evidence" was a pile of shit.
Our betters have never levelled with us and told us the truth: Why? Why did we invade Iraq? The answer to that question might go a long way toward revealing why we're still there.
June 9, 2009 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
good point. More interesting to me right now than "war of choice" linguistics.
So what do you think, SFC. Why the invasion and occupation of Iraq?
June 9, 2009 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I may offer my nutshell opinion: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/09/wars_of_choice/index.php#comment-3493566
June 9, 2009 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Iraq after 2000 was a UN cleanup operation."
Could you expand on that a bit, Eds?
June 9, 2009 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well... we had UN inspectors in and out looking to clean things up re alleged WMDs etc.
The UN was at least partly responsible for some of the terrible conditions in Iraq even if Saddam was nominally in charge of Iraq, so that would be cleaning up the UN's part in that (like, bans on chlorine imports are said to have made water purification effective, thus more medical problems).
Saddam as a "known killer tyrant" was a blemish warranting some kind of clean up activity on the part of the UN.
Bush Jr. may well have felt some obligation to clean up what was basically the result of Dad's (and Clinton's) conduct as sanctioned by the UN over a decade.
I'm certainly not arguing that Bush was fully justified in handling the situation the way he did! Nor do I consider Oil, the Dollar, slaes pitches by Chalabi, PNAC, and other, and other factors to be totally irrelevant.
June 9, 2009 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
typo
said to have made water purification LESS effective,
June 9, 2009 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
so....
w was 'cleaning up' after the UN?? on behalf of the UN??
i still don't get it.
yes, iraq was a mess. and the UN sanctions had (ultimately) negative humanitarian consequences. but i'm not sure what you mean when you say that's the 'reason' w launched the invasion of iraq.
June 10, 2009 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Backtrack the invasion a few months. To, say, the fall of 2002. Who was pushing for war? Who was encouraging it? Identifying "who" is a good clue to "why."
The American people didn't rise up in unison, march down Pennsylvania Avenue and hang on the bars of the White House fence, braying for Saddam's head. But some in this country relentlessly called for all-out war with Iraq. Not just in Washington, and in the halls of power, but elsewhere, like our information grocers.
Who?
June 9, 2009 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know. Chalabi was a big information broker in the runup to the war.
June 9, 2009 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
sorry, SFC, that was a pretty lame answer on my part in response to your "who"?
But I'd rather you be explicit with your answer to my original question.
June 9, 2009 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chalabi is a good start. Background him. Who enabled Chalabi?
Google him good...
June 10, 2009 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
cia.
is that what you're going for?
June 10, 2009 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
the guy seems connected to almost all the power brokers. Richard Perle, first Bush, Clinton, PNAC, Halliburton, Judith Miller got most of her info from him, Chalabi's INC was funded by the U.S. government in the hopes that he would help depose Saddam.
June 10, 2009 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
i don't think i've ever read anything quite as stupid on TPM as geof stone's statement that "Arguably, in more than 200 years, the United States has never fought a war other than by choice."
let's examine that statement. he calls the civil war a war of choice. it was, if lincoln was willing to accept the secession of almost one third of the states in the union (11 out of 36), a choice that he, not surprisingly found unacceptable. the civil war was a war of choice, if the president was willing to see his country dismantled. what kind of choice is that??
even more stupid is stone's statement that world war II was a war of choice. he says we could have negotiated with the japanese after they bombed pearl harbor. that is ridiculous on its face. furthermore, he fails to mention that a day or two after pearl harbor, hitler declared war on the u.s. so the japanese declared war on us, and the nazis declared war on us. tell me, can anyone but stone call ww II a war of choice??
June 9, 2009 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think I've ever read anything quite as stupid as your comment.
There is nothing in the US Constitution that proscribes secession. Lincoln was out of line.
On Pearl Harbor there is ample evidence that FDR, after placing a strangle hold on Japan, knew the attack was coming. Germany was never a threat to the United States.
June 9, 2009 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
a really tough one??
June 10, 2009 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
or maybe it was a really easy one.
guess it depends on yer pov.
June 10, 2009 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
War is the health of the state:
recent news report:
June 9, 2009 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
In all probability, he would have been negotiating as a civilian after impeachment if he failed as commander in chief.
Don't forget that Germany declared war on us a four days after Pearl and launched Operation Drumbeat (Paukenschlag) torpedoing US ships and killing US crew of the east and Gulf coasts.
During the first 6 months of the German U-boat offensive out of the US east coast some 397 ships totalling over 2 million tons were sunk, costing roughly 5000 lives.
If anyone thinks FDR or any US president of the day could ignore that or negotiate in the face of that, they must be smoking dope.
June 10, 2009 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the United States all wars are by "choice" in the political sense.
In our Constitution, the U.S. Congress is given the power to declare war. The President is Commander and Chief of the armed forces, but is not given the power to choose to declare war by the Constitution. It is this separation of powers which makes this book title interesting.
By calling something a war of necessity, the Executive can claim they are compelled to respond to a threat. This argument, if successful, undermines the political will of Congress to question the need for war. FDR was able to make the case for necessity after December 7, 1941. Prior to that time, the case was made more as a war of choice.
A war of choice is usually the start of a conflict anyway. We start a war of choice with embargoes and diplomatic sanctions. Leading up to the War of 1812, the British seized American vessels and empressed British-born American sailors into the Royal Navy.
So War of Choice is the true label for war in a free country. War of Necessity is really just a symptom of a political problem. Where the Executive Branch seeks to prosecute a war which Congress is not willing to declare, the rhetoric moves from provocation to self-preservation. Here, the rhetoric from war proponents was all based on self preservation. In the Iraq War Resolution, the Congress gave the President power to: "to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to—(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq. "
The final choice over whether to go to War was delegated by Congress directly to the President, but the language used was defensive. The rhetoric was meant to make Congress believe that they were not actually choosing war, but rather choosing to defend the nation.
So the question is not whether a war is by choice in the United States, but how honest are our leaders in laying out the choices. Those with a bad argument often resort to a false dichotomy: limiting choices between bad and horrific, when there may be more choices available.
Parents do this with toddlers. That it works on members of Congress is an indictment of them. The President is both the servant of the people and the Commander in Chief. He or she is not our Daddy or our Mommy. In the case of the Iraq War, all three branches of our government failed to present the public with true choices.
June 10, 2009 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink