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Public Health Care Option
This is the objection the health insurance industry is putting forward in opposition to Obama's plan to include a public plan option in the health care reform bill.
But critics argue that with low administrative costs and no need to produce profits, a public plan will start with an unfair pricing advantage. They say that if a public plan is allowed to pay doctors and hospitals at levels comparable to Medicare's, which are substantially below commercial insurance rates, it could set premiums so low it would quickly consume the market.
So let me get this straight. It's not fair to have a public option because they don't have to make obscene profits for their shareholders and they can use the leverage of the combined group of medicare and public option customers to negotiate better fees with doctors, hospitals and drug companies.
Isn't that the point?
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Yep! That's the point all right.
June 7, 2009 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can anyone explain why an uninsured medical services receiver is charged three (3) times what an insured medical service receiver is charged for the same service?
Within the last two years I underwent a major medical procedure. The bill was for nearly $30,000, which, if uninsured, I would have been responsible to pay in full. My medical insurance paid approximately $10,000 as the full costs of that medical procedure.
This gouging of non-insured medical services receivers is the major reason that a national medical insurance program is really needed in the USA.
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June 7, 2009 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is because insurance companies negotiate with providers so that they can be included as "preferred," and thereby use it in advertising to hook in more people who are shopping for insurance. They make up in volume what they would otherwise lose, because all of the policy-holders HAVE to go to that provider rather than the one down the street.
Now, just imagine: Under Universal, Single-Payer what negotiating powers they would have! Forget the person who currently would have had to pay $30,000 for your procedure; no one pays that anyway -- they declare bankruptcy and everyone loses.
Does that help clear things up?
June 7, 2009 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. I have a better understanding now.
The doctors organizations have created another middleman (the insurance companies) who rake off major profits from the health care industry while claiming that they are reducing medical costs for the individual.
Your proposed bankruptcy 'solution' only works for those people who live hand-to-mouth and have no assets. It does not work for anyone who has lived within their income and has managed to save any money.
June 8, 2009 7:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had the same experience 15 years ago. I had a serious altercation with Lincoln going 45mph while I was walking thru a pedestrian walkway. The difference between what was charged and what my insurance paid as astronomically different - $100,000 vs $35,000 all because my HMO had a deal worked out with the hospital.
June 8, 2009 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't the whole point of the HMO'ing of Health Care that these professional groups would be able to lower costs and make money by being more efficient? Oh wait, that was back in the 80s when they were begging for govt. permission to do it. Oops, down the memory hole!
June 7, 2009 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, yeah. I was working at a major university hospital when HMOs began to gain a foothold. They were, as you said, supposed to LOWER health care costs. It was a mess of red tape right from the start and everybody hated it. I don't remember anybody saying HMOs were "better", even then.
Another scam perpetrated by the "health care providers" and endorsed and encouraged by those folks who work for US.
June 8, 2009 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have to say Ramona, I would fall into the category of not hating my HMO. From the day I became pregnant with my son until even after he was born, I did not have to pay anything other than office visit co-payments. After my son was born, my HMO even sent a nurse to my house when he was a week old to check on him and make sure we were both OK. My doctors were fabulous, even when I had a difficult delivery. Now that I have Blue Cross my medical service is no better and I have a lot more out of pocket expenses.
June 8, 2009 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm, maybe we should just get Craig Newmark to start a health insurance company...
June 7, 2009 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
:-)
June 8, 2009 2:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think that they have just conceded the game. They fear the public plan because it really is substantially better and cheaper than anything they can or would provide.
June 7, 2009 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
BINGO!
June 8, 2009 2:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could someone explain to me how health insurance companies differ from a Mafia extortition racket? You know the kind where a business providing a service must pay money to the mob to be "insured" against harm? That kind.
June 7, 2009 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose there is no evidence that the insurance companies target those who decline the "protection", all alleged 47M of them. You might compare to the legally sanctioned protection racket called "auto insurance", where you can run afoul of the law if you don't buy at least the minimum "protection" and then get pulled over while driving... if you want to discuss mob parallels.
June 7, 2009 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unlke the mafia, the insurance companies neither target those who decline to pay (although the auto insurance, or MA insurance program kind of does that), or create the injuries which they are treating.
However, they have created a perverted pricing system that really does harm those who decline to pay for protection.
The $7K tests, and the $300 office visits are both evidence of harm that the current system has broght us.
There is a very simple explaination for why the insurance company model is failing us.
1. Insurance companies make a percentage of the insurance premiums paid.
2. The higher the prices for medical care, the higher the preumiums must be.
3. Insurance companies profits are a small percentage of premiums.
Therefor the higher the price of medicine the higher their profits.
Insurance companies have every incentive for medicine to be more expensive, and so they don't fight cost increases.
June 7, 2009 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
"$7K tests, and the $300 office visits"
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Your logic escapes me. Insurance companies balance medical costs with premium payments. The problem is that they have a conflict of interests, no matter what the medical costs and premium payments are.
June 8, 2009 3:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree whole-heartedly that insurance companies have a conflict of interest. Several conflicts in fact. As you point out they want to minimize their payout in any particular year.
But somewhat suprisingly, it is in the best interest of the insurance companies to have overall medical cost go up.
Of course an individual company wants to minimize what it pays out compared to the company next-door. But so long as insurance is mandatory (either de facto as in the case of recruiting in-demand employees, or legislatively as in MA) higher medical costs mean higher premiums means higher profits.
Hence, the interest of the insurance company is to have overall medical costs increase as quickly as possible.
June 8, 2009 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, I notice that they've got the New York Times conned into believing that the funding source for healthcare should be taxation on the health benefits of the middleclass. So the staggering middle class is supposed to carry the entire load for health "reform" for themselves and for those less well off than themselves. The wealthy apparently have to contribute nothing at all.
Whatever happened to a progressive tax system? Whatever happened to progressive political parties?
June 7, 2009 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The wealthy apparently have to contribute nothing at all.
Now you are catching on. That is how it is supposed to be in our new Gilded Age.
June 7, 2009 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: The wealthy apparently have to contribute nothing at all.
???
Granted nothing's firm yet, but the only ideas I have seen along these lines would be either to use an income cap (100K?) for the deductibility of health insurance, or else a per annum premium cap (12K?). Those are not "middle class" limits. Those hit the wealthy.
June 7, 2009 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's not true at all. They are talking about capping the tax. So the rich won't be exempt. It's progressive.
June 8, 2009 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes.
Basically they don't want competition. They admit that they can't handle competition.
They don't want to have to offer more value for their services. And they don't want to stop soaking the american people for all they can get even though its breaking our backs and we can't sustain it.
'Something's Got To Give' here. This is just silly. I mean they've known this was coming... the could have started making changes but they never did or would. WE have to demand what we need precisely because the current conditions are unsustainable.
June 7, 2009 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
June 7, 2009 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very interesting.
So perhaps the obstensibly non-profit Blue Cross-Blue Shield of North Carolina can explain why it won't be able to compete with such an entity. Given that they're in the forefront to the resistance and are planning to spend a shitload of my premium dollars on Harry & Louise 2.0 ads, I'd be fascinated to hear why it is they think a non-profit corporation can't compete with the public entity. Especially in an environment where they'd won't be allowed to spend 20% of their budget on "marketing" and "administration" (i.e. recruiting members who are less likely to get sick and cancelling policies on those who are more likely to do so).
And no, I'm not so naive that I don't know the answer. I just think the triple reverse backflip with a twist doublespeak their flacks would generate answering that question would have great entertainment value.
June 7, 2009 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahh, yes, BCBS, these are the folks who believe that childrens' hospitals should be denied to children. Wouldn't want those tykes to get any of that unnecessary treatment would we?
June 7, 2009 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The objections to the public option basically boil down to the insurance executives not being willing to allow an efficient insurance company into the game. It is the vast inefficiencies that are the total source of profits for those companies. Profits include the obscene commissions the pay to their sales people for signing up customers. If you knew how big a percentage of your premiums went to pay those commissions and perks you would be amazed.
June 7, 2009 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to see good data on that, the distributions of fractions of premiums.
June 7, 2009 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, so would I. I know about this because a family member is in that industry, making more money than I, with a college engineering degree, ever dreamed about, complete with 2-3 annual all expenses paid trips to various foreign countries. And, I learned about the percentage of the premium that this family member was getting from that. This is a field where it takes a lot of work to reap that reward, but the reward is far beyond what you would imagine.
June 8, 2009 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose the data is irrelevant since this is a politics issue more than an economics issue...
June 8, 2009 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bullpucky. The insurance companies can compete. So what if their profits are down? They've been overcharging us for premiums for decades and some is better than none, isn't it? I mean, if they don't want to participate in the health insurance market because they won't be making as big of a profit as they deem proper, well, let 'em find some other fool thing to scare us about so we buy a different kind of insurance.
I have absolute zero sympathy for Big Insurance and for them to start whining about being fair now is ludicrous.
June 7, 2009 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Insurance companies are acting the way the mafia acts when another group tries to cut in on their territory...all out war.
The Mafia bought judges, police, and politicians, all those that could make it difficult for the Mafia to operate. How is what the MAfia did any different than what insurance companies, PHARMA, Medical Device Industry, etc. does?
June 7, 2009 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not different, except they operate under cover of the law from the outset. In most cases, they wrote the laws that are applicable to their industry.
June 7, 2009 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
You want to read about real waste, abuse by the medical community contributing to ever increasing medical costs, check out the June 1st New Yorker, "The Cost Conundrum" on what a Texas town can teach us about healthcare.
President Obama has to take control of the debate, use pressure from constituents to forge a reform in Congress, which includes a "public plan" option. Anything else will be a sell out to "Harry & Louise."
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all
June 7, 2009 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just got through reading the article. The thing that strikes me is how medicine and peoples lives have become just another corporate business venture to be milked for maximum profit regardless of the patient.
C
June 7, 2009 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I second the recommendation for that article. I especially think everyone interested in a public option should read it, to tamp down unreasonable expectations. If we get that, lots of problems are still not solved. The article makes clear that we really do need a lot of reform of the entire medical delivery system in this country, how really screwed up it is. In the two towns that were studied, there are incredible differences in cost and it wasn't that easy to figure out exactly what the problems causing that were. There's a lot of struggles coming, changing insurance is only a first tiny step.
June 7, 2009 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I also thought the article shed some light on some structural aspects of the healthcare system. I wasn't sure how Gawande planned to address those issues effectively from the perspective of a non-single payer system. i.e. having a centralized system would more easily allow system goals to be set for areas that are disproportionately more expensive. I don't know how you institute those goals with the multiple insurer system in place.
June 8, 2009 1:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I third the recommendation. It is a very illuminating read.
June 7, 2009 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I fourth it. Everyone should read this article. Since the rest of the 27 or so industrial modern democracies have a national health care plan, we get the greedy ones from their countries plus our own batch of greedy Americans to scam the system while good caring doctors are fighting the good fight at places like Mayos.
I heard a doctor say yesterday on Sirius Left that he works at the VA so he doesn't have to fight with insurance companies, make a killing, or pay for malpractice insurance. He felt he could really just try to make people well.
June 8, 2009 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, this article is excellent. A link was posted on the other healthcare thread started by Robert Reich.
The article points out that in the longer run we need to actually get to socialized medicine. No capitalists involved. That means not just getting rid of for-profit health insurance companies (a good first step), but then taking on for-profit hospitals, etc.. Doctors need to be on salary, and health care networks needs to be run as cooperatives, focused on quality outcomes for the individuals under care (not bottom line profit and loss).
It's going to be a long road. I also think that campaign finance reform is a big piece of the puzzle. (You can't get there from here without it, I fear.)
-- ARG
June 8, 2009 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well this is a new twist on laissez faire, isn't it? Government solutions it turns out are far too efficient. Only the private sector can create the kind of bloated, costly, and ineffective bureaucracy that makes the American economy the envy of the world.
June 7, 2009 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now you're catching on.
C
June 7, 2009 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly, Purple State. We can't have it because it would work too well. Catch-22, Major Major Major Major: You can only see him when he's not in. You can only get care as long as you don't need it. The need for profit is an inefficiency in this case.
June 7, 2009 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You left out "if you're sick you're also disqualified."
June 8, 2009 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps the health insurance industry would then have to go into the private military contracting business to pursue its agenda of raping the taxpayer.
June 8, 2009 2:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
The beauty of Medicare is that it enjoys a huge medical services user base which no hospital and very few physicians can do without.
So ---
The Congress, knowing that it has the providers over a barrel, underpays them and tells them that if they want to earn a "fair and reasonable" fee, they're free to overcharge the non-Medicare users. And that's what they do (are forced to do?) which explains a good deal of the higher costs insurers experience.
The public option -- once a large enough group of users has been acquired -- might act in the same way. As privately insured users left those plans for the public plan, there would be fewer privately insured users remaining to subsidize the public plan.
Insurers would be driven out of business, the subsidization the public plans depend upon would end, and the fees the government charged would escalate rapidly.
June 7, 2009 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
In that scenario, while the fees govt charges may escalate, they should still reach a point of equilibrium, that costs less overall than the current potpourri of providers. If and when a public plan becomes the 'big dawg' in the provider network, their negotiating power increases in proportion to the size of the pool of insured it represents. Consequently the ability of the public provider to control or even diminish price increases is improved.
June 7, 2009 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right about the underlying economics, Ellen. In our system, private insurance does subsidize Medicare and, maybe more important, floods the health care industry with money which stimulates technological innovation (along with excessive profit-taking and inefficiency) and feeds the extraordinary growth in health care services we have seen over the past few decades.
A government-funded health care system would (as miguelitoh2o points out) possibly reduce overall costs (by taking out the profit margin and some administrative costs)--but it would still have to pump large amounts of money into the system to preserve the current pace of expansion in health care technology and services or, alternatively, it would have to limit funds devoted to health care and therefore limit the expansion of services. Most will see both of these alternatives as negatives. I actually see the second as a positive. It's impossible for individuals to make sensible decisions about how much health care they need at the point of sale (markets break down when the cost of not getting care is death or debility and when the consumer is heavily reliant on the provider for decision-making). Collective decision-making is therefore needed. Rationing, while feared, would be beneficial, as long as its done based purely on the potential for the patient to recover (without regard for the patient's income and other factors unrelated to the probability of a good medical outcome). Unlimited health care is simply too costly. There's a point where we need to come to grips with our mortality and let nature take its course. Trying to fight the inevitable when it really is inevitable is not really healthy--physically, emotionally, or financially.
June 8, 2009 5:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
The growth in the number of doctors has tracked population growth. Growth in the number of adminstrative personnel employed by our gigantic bureaucratic mess of a "system" has been 30 times the growth in the number of doctors.
We're paying trillions this decade for paper pushers who mostly serve to deny care and aggravate patients. Not for MRI machines.
June 8, 2009 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
and ellen has come to these conclusions based on her in depth evaluations of what has happened in all the other industrialized democracies' health care systems.
oh wait. she just pulls it our of the ass-end of her ideology.
June 8, 2009 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Odd... Vanguard is a non-profit mutual fund family and, freed from the contraints of profit-making, can undercut its competitors. And it is wildly successful. And yet it still has tons of competitors that make a lot of money. Some charge more but offer what they claim is better service and people buy from the for profit competition. Some, admittedly, provide no extra service but rely on people being ignorant of Vanguard... Either way, the low cost, not for profit, alternative is there and yet for profit competitors continue to thrive. If Vanguard can do it, why not Aetna?
June 7, 2009 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that the real pricing advantage will come from the fact that the government will tax non-users of the public plan in order to subsidize the public plan.
June 7, 2009 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops... PNHP has some dirt on the "public option" - apparently this idea goes back to NIXON, who was faced with a rising tide of interest in single-payer, and introduced the limited-public-option concept as a stalling tactic. The more things change...
Also, the Massachusetts model apparently fails, as does the Fed employee system (per them). A number of interesting articles at http://pnhp.org/change/
If they're right, and they do seem to do their homework, the whole public-option business is just a feint to the left, and single payer really is the only possible fix.
June 7, 2009 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Scarcity = demand.
Greater demand = higher premiums.
Remove scarity and profits vanish.
The point is, the government (or some other altruistic agent) can force the demise of private health insurance industry simply by making affordable public health care more available.
Why pay for what you can get free?
June 7, 2009 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Au contrar' Josh. They do have a lot to be scared of. That they will have to continue shoveling money into the black hole of private health insurance.
C
June 7, 2009 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to point out that the "obscene profits for their shareholders" is hardly the overall issue. Some providers are technically "non-profit" so the obscenity is not with the profits but with the ridiculous salaries paid to some employees. And of course control over what procedures are done is sometimes obscene regardless of actual profits. And there are other kinds of obscene exercises of power.
"They say that if a public plan is allowed to pay doctors and hospitals at levels comparable to Medicare's, which are substantially below commercial insurance rates, it could set premiums so low it would quickly consume the market."
1) Medicare pays significantly less than the negotiated deal final price (a $12K bill gets negotiated down to under $1K -- which price is "commecial insurance rates" paid to doctors et al?)?
2) Will the government be able to force doctors and hospitals to take less than market rates? That would be socialism at best.
3) The government cannot set arbitrary premiums if this plan is going to pay for itself.
So there are three let's say "dubious" notions being put forth by alleged insurance companies, having nothing directly to do with profits for shareholders.
June 8, 2009 3:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
There's a little more here than meets the eye.
First, any plan Obama puts forth needs to include private insurers because otherwise, Repubs (and Ben Nelson, probably) will demonize the plan as "letting some faceless gov't bureaucrat instead of the doctor choose your doctor and make health care decisions". Nevermind that these tasks are now made by "faceless insurance company bureaucrats", the Dems haven't yet been able to make that defense in any meaningful way. So, Medicare (or whatever they call it) will be a choice but not the only choice.
Second, my understanding is that about 15-20% of private health insurance premiums goes for administrative costs, a chunk of which is expended solely to deny claims. Presumably, the Medicare option will be able to avoid this cost.
Third, there is an interesting oped in the WaPo last Friday by Alain Enthoven arguing that several health providers, including the Mayo Clinics, have been able to organize in such a way as to provide superior health care at a cost below Medicare, still providing a reasonable profit. I'd like to hear more debate about this.
June 8, 2009 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
15-20? You got that info from the AHIP. The number is 30. We waist 300-400 billion BILLION a YEAR because of paperwork and administrative costs.
June 8, 2009 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Alain Enthoven arguing that several health providers, including the Mayo Clinics, have been able to organize in such a way as to provide superior health care at a cost below Medicare
You have an important point there wrong, it's not at a cost below Medicare, it's that the Medicare spending figures are comparatively low there. It's
detailed in
The New Yorker article that "beltwayskeptic" links to upthread, and which several of us recommended, I will quote a couple of the relevant parts of Dr. Atul Gawande's "The Cost Conundrum":
In my opinion, it's crucial to get the facts in the studies referenced in that article across correctly. Really, it's a highly recommended read. They don't say that who is paying matters so much, it's more that that it's important for providers to be working as a team with the correct incentives, and for there to be a lot of time with the patient. If you read that article, you will see that the correct incentives are not built into the way most of our system is, and Medicare just like everyone else in the biz offers no incentives to change it, really, as it fee for service controlled by the patient. After reading it, I see where Obama's push for things like solving the problem of more primary care doctors and getting electronic records is coming from. He sees that skyrocketing costs and dissatisfaction with results are going to continue no matter who is paying until we change the bigger system. Basically, what's going to happen without such reforms happening, is many "customers" being unhappy as they always were, or worse, and many will blame whatever Congress does. Especially as the boomers age and access a lot more treatments.
Medicare by itself as it currently is is not the solution, it has a lot of problems, as it sets low pay reimbursement without anyone requiring reform of how care is delivered. The current setup guarantees failure, in a way--low pay scales are set and then providers figure out a way to make profit in other ways. It's a churning Ponzi scheme of treatments and time. If they can't, they drop out. It's already happening, see New York Times' Doctors Are Opting Out of Medicare of April 2 for one example.
Until we have a system where more doctors are on salary and work as teams, and more doctors are in primary care in order to provide sufficient time to follow patients, we will just be spinning wheels. This requires big reforms of medical education and probably funding of medical education so that so many don't go into it borrowing big and expecting a big payoff down the line for that somehow. Simply having a public payment plan doesn't solve this, you get the scenario of the public plan cutting payments to the bone and caregivers opting out and going for those who can pay. Then you have fewer caregivers in the public plan tending to more and more patients and they either have to cut time with patients and churn them, or figure out a different way to make more money at it, i.e., order more tests that the public plan does pay for and get a cut from it. The Mayo Clinic, the Marshfield Clinic, Kaiser Permanente, et. al., only can do what they can do because they have pretty total control of the whole distribution system. Allowing patients. or even worse, patients grouped into plans, to "shop" for what they want is not the answer, it is what introduces wierd profit incentives....
It's almost as if the baby steps of reform are intended to cause a lot of pain for people to get used to the massive reform that is really needed. I think Obama knows this, that is why he seems more concerned with other reforms rather than who is the payer in the current system.
June 8, 2009 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is going to have some town halls. I emplore ANYONE who geets to ask a question to make this point then ask him WILL YOU FIGHT FOR A MEDICARE-LIKE PUBLIC OPTION!?
June 8, 2009 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Will the government require hospitals and physicians to accept public plan insureds?
I know I shouldn't be spamming this way, but I wanted to make all Cafe-ers aware that I've formed a health insurance company that beats the rates of all the carriers out there as well as the government.
I charge $25/mo. -- and there are no deductibles. I'm able to keep premiums down by setting stringent reimbursement rates.* I admit that thus far, hospitals and doctors have failed and refused to meet me halfway but I remain hopeful. And I've enjoyed the side benefit of not having had to pay out anything in claims.
* Reimbursement Rate Schedule (examples): Daily hospital ($17.50); open heart surgery ($56.95); knee replacement ($29.99)
June 8, 2009 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe nobody is listening to such sensible parody around here...
June 8, 2009 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
We pay three times the per capita cost of New Zeland and twice the cost of Canada for comparison. We rank about 32nd in quality relative to other nations. Monopolistic practices allowed by our congress have quashed competition from independent health care providers who could othewise provide more efficient coverage. Who the hell is still calling this a free market?
June 8, 2009 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Read This New Yorker Article, "The Cost Conundrum"...NOW
I'm a supporter of Single-Payer, largely on the basis of "It's the only model we haven't tried."
But a large part of the issue apparently isn't even private-public or commercial vs. single-payer, as this article points out. It's often (mainly?) the attitude of the doctor towards the delivery of health care.
It's a Must-Read, by a surgeon.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande
June 8, 2009 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
MUST READ...NOW! I agree. There will always be greedy bastards to deal with, but when our system isn't the only one in the modern wealthy world that rewards the greedy, we can curb this behavior.
June 8, 2009 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read that a week ago. I still don't get it.
June 9, 2009 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I support the inclusion of a "public option" in the revamped legislation.
However, I do think we need to appreciate and discuss the subsequent consequence of a massive switching from private to public as employers (and employees) see a better public options. For example, companies will be motivated by being able to reduce their employee costs. This transfer would effectively dissolve the "insurance business."
What's the existing health care system going to look like after this switch. Is everyone advocating just letting the millions of people employed in the insurance business to move on to another career? Would someone play out this movie for me?
Yes, we've allowed healthcare delivery to become a money making proposition; how do we transition to either a dual system or one?
June 9, 2009 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe all those adminstrative people in the insurance industry can get jobs making cars or something...
The so-called "public option" is not a single payer system. It's going to be a watered down hamstrung nothing that eventually "proves" that government insurance doesn't work.
Except that government insurance, eg. Medicare, does work. We need single-payer health insurance for everybody. And if that puts all the private insurers out of business, then to me it proves that they are overpriced and not providing real value.
To answer your question, yes. I'm advocating that millions of people employed in the insurance business move on to another career. Preferably one in which they actually make something or do something of tangible value.
We can't have a society in which everybody mows their neighbor's lawn and does their neighbor's laundry, in a giant circle jerk. Someplace in our economy somebody has to provide VALUE.
While we're at it, reform the tax code so that paying a fair, progressive tax is simple and direct, with no deductions for anything. And shrink the IRS by about 95%, while forcing all those accountants who make a living helping us comply with overly complicated laws get a real job, too!
When the industry I work in finally shrinks, I'll happily go looking for another job. I'd love to work on renewable energy, for example.
-- ARG
June 10, 2009 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink