Bibi On Obama and Clinton: "What The Hell Do They Want From Me?"
The Israeli government insists that a nuclear Iran is an "existential threat" and that, accordingly, it will decide for itself how to handle it.
And yet, the same Israeli government that is determined to alert the world to the dangers it believes are posed by Iran is equally determined to preserve an occupation that would spell the end of Israel's existence as a democratic Jewish state.
One can argue about whether Iran is developing nuclear weapons or would use them against Israel, knowing that doing so would be suicidal. The experts are divided on those questions.
But there is no way to argue that a democratic State of Israel can survive once it has a decisive Palestinian majority, an eventuality that is just a few years away if Israel maintains its control over the occupied territories.
Once a Palestinian majority is permanently in place, Israel would be faced with two, and only two, alternatives. It could grant the occupied Palestinians the ballot, affording them the opportunity to vote the Jewish state out of existence.
Or more likely, Israel would deny Palestinians the vote, becoming like apartheid South Africa, a state where the minority rules. Such a state would not even be able to maintain a relationship with the United States, let alone the rest of the world.
There is no third alternative. That was demonstrated this week when some leading right-wing Israelis announced that they had found one. Their alternative is that the Palestinians would be made citizens of Jordan, allowing Israel to keep the occupied land but not the people.
That idea is preposterous, of course. The position of Jordan is precarious enough without adding a few million more non-Jordanians to the population mix. Nor would the Palestinians ever accept Jordanian nationality as a substitute for their Palestinian identity. They want their state in Palestine, not Jordan. Jews should understand that. After all, their dream of Eretz Yisrael was never about Amman either.
The only reason to mention this third alternative is to demonstrate that there are really only two. That is, if Israel maintains the occupation. Both entail the end of the Zionist enterprise.
Not surprisingly, a growing number of Palestinians are coming around to the position long held by the Israeli right: allowing the occupation to go on indefinitely.
And that makes sense for anyone who wants to see the 1947 partition of Palestine rolled back. Rather than "Two States for Two Peoples" (the slogan of those like Tzipi Livni and Mahmoud Abbas), their slogan could be "One State for One People (Not the Jews)."
The Obama administration understands that the continuing Israeli-Palestinian conflict harms not only U.S. interests in the region but, even more, Israel's prospects for survival. That is why the Obama administration has made it clear that it wants to stop the settlements now.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton could not have been more emphatic in a statement she made this week that was airtight in its opposition to settlements. She said that the United States "wants to see a stop to settlements--not some settlements, not outposts, not natural-growth exceptions." The administration's position on settlements has been endorsed by key pro-Israel legislators like Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chair John Kerry, Senator Carl Levin, House Foreign Affairs Chair Howard Berman, and the longest serving Jewish member of Congress, Henry Waxman.
But Defense Minister Ehud Barak argues that nobody could seriously believe that a "natural growth" exception threatens peace.
And he's right. No one believes that adding a bedroom in Ariel because twins are soon to arrive ("natural growth") endangers the peace process.
But, unlike its predecessors, this administration understands that the "natural growth" excuse is just that. Whenever the United States asks Israeli governments to do anything to advance peace with the Palestinians, it comes up with excuses as to why it can't.
Even when the Bush administration (which Israelis consider the friendliest ever) finally got Israel to accept its Roadmap, Israel added fourteen unilateral reservations. And then, when it failed to implement any part of the Roadmap, it pointed to its own reservations as justification. Of course, accepting an agreement with unilateral reservations is not acceptance at all but rather rejection. ("I accept your offer of $750,000 for my house but at $1.2 million.")
In the past, the United States has accepted that approach.
No more.
Yedioth Achronoth correspondent, Sima Kadmon, reported yesterday that Netanyahu and his aides are rattled by this unexpected American grit.
"Netanyahu arrived only to discover that the United States is no longer the same United States and that the Congress is no longer the same Congress. That he has no other option when confronting Obama and that he has no excuses to give. If Sharon or Olmert could tell Bush that doing one thing or another would cause their governments to fall, and Bush took this seriously--this is no longer the case. Obama will not shed any tears if Netanyahu tells him that his government will fall as a result of removing outposts. He won't be telling him: 'oy, just don't leave me.' What's the worst that can happen? Livni will become prime minister? That certainly doesn't worry Obama."
Kadmon writes that Netanyahu understands that Israel "cannot simply entrench ourselves in the spot and place our trust only in ourselves. These are not the days of Shamir when we could show contempt for U.S. aid. We are on a completely different playing field these days. You can't just tell the Americans, get lost, because they might just get lost and what would we do then?"
Adding to Netanyahu's problems is the lack of support of the status quo lobby for his hard-line position on settlements. No major Jewish organization, with the exception of the tiny far right Zionist Organization of America (allied with the settlers), is backing his position. AIPAC, which has not spoken out one way or the other, has never explicitly supported the settlement enterprise. The last thing it wants is to do battle with a popular American president over an issue it has never cared about.
In short, this is a battle that Obama can win, and it is one that is worth fighting. "Stopping the settlements" (in Secretary Clinton's words) would both begin a process toward ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and would show the world that the United States is actually trying to play the role of honest broker--and not Israel's lawyer--for the first time in many years.
In today's Foreign Policy magazine blog, The Cable, Laura Rozen, the well-connected and brilliant Middle East analyst, reports that Netanyahu responded to Secretary Clinton's statement in real pain "What the hell do they want from me?," he asked.
Actually they don't want much: just an end to the settlement enterprise that is killing Israel and an end to the siege that is killing Gaza. In both cases, he only needs to live up to commitments the Israeli government has already made.
I have written since Obama's election that the main ingredient necessary for the United States to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is Barack Obama's will. If he does not blink, he will prevail. He's not blinking.




















M.J.:
Have you ever read or heard a response to the point that a Democratic Israel which included the Palestinians would no longer be a Jewish state? I mean, what do you suppose those who advocate an expansion of Israel to the Jordan river expect to do about the rights of non-Jews in such a reality?
May 29, 2009 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mainly, new10, "those who advocate an expansion of Israel to the Jordan River" don't care much about the "rights of non-Jews", since, in their vision, there won't be many, if any to care about.
The religious fanatics who are the new cutting-edge of settlement agitation on the West Bank seem, for the most part, serenely unconcerned about ANY "rights" relating to the present inhabitants, who they view as mere squatters on "their" land - and who are scheduled, in the settlers' ideal future, to be ethnically-cleansed. Peacefully, if possible.
May 29, 2009 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is not that religious settlers expect that Palestinians will be removed. It is that they don't give a flying f*** about democracy. They are profoundly unmoved by this argument about Israel needing to make a choice between being a Jewish state or a democratic state. To them, that's no choice at all.
May 29, 2009 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is not that religious settlers expect that Palestinians will be removed. It is that they don't give a flying f*** about democracy. They are profoundly unmoved by this argument about Israel needing to make a choice between being a Jewish state or a democratic state. To them, that's no choice at all.
All too true, Brad. Given that so many of them began life as Americans and that their most fervent supporters, including the Xtian "Zionists", are also from the USofA, the concept of "democracy" turns out to be a paper thin veneer easily worn away by those who would be presumed to defend it's precepts.
Israelis who do hold fast to democratic values are facing an increasingly difficult situation.
May 29, 2009 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brad - I think this is the first time I agree with your comment 100%. A couple of months ago I was visiting my niece and her husband in Kiryat Arba and I got into a discussion with them about the issue of what Israel should do with the Palestinians after Jews settled most of the west bank. I said if you don't give them citizenship and voting rights it will be world despised apartheid. In all seriousness, he looked at me and said "why would anyone expect sheep and cattle to get to vote." He is fervently religious and to him the Palestinians were not created from the image of G-d and not worthy of having comparable rights to G-d's children, the Jews.
May 29, 2009 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, Brad nailed it, and jd confirmed it from personal observation.
For the Judeans and Samaritans, Palestinians are merely the local fauna, to be dealt with only insofar as they create inconveniences.
The debate is simply whether they are buffalo, which can be safely penned in wildlife reserves, or wolves, which must be exterminated.
May 30, 2009 1:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
a jewish democratic state is a contradiction in terms. it is orwellian. you can have a jewish state or a democratic state, not both.
what happens when the arab israeli population surpasses that of the jewish israeli population? what happens to democracy when you want to remain a jewish state?
this is so much silliness.
being a jew, an arab, or a christian exists only in one's mind. there is no such thing in reality.
May 29, 2009 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again, I see... Yes.
May 29, 2009 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
MJR: "...The Israeli government insists that a nuclear Iran is an "existential threat" and that, accordingly, it will decide for itself how to handle it..."
Are you sure? We all know that certain congress members are far more concerned about the US protecting Iran against Israel, than really worrying about the Palestinian issue -- After all, Israel has definitely got a handle on the Palestinians, noting with the help of those v. same congress critters. No, some of us still haven't forgotten this supposed deal that Obama has pushed to connect the I/P deal with US help with an Iranian deal -- whatever that 'behind-the-scenes' Iranian deal is?
MJR: "...third alternative. That was demonstrated this week when some leading right-wing Israelis announced that they had found one. Their alternative is that the Palestinians would be made citizens of Jordan, allowing Israel to keep the occupied land but not the people..."
They are so arrogant I'm sure they'll give it a try -- but with Israel prepared to only give part of the WB away, with maybe some US money to sweeten the deal, say, under a ME 'economic plan'? Israel obviously doesn't want to give away all of the WB, because it needs the water, and only Israel thinks it can manage and develop that important resource for the region.
MJR: ...That idea is preposterous, of course..."
Yep, but Joe Lieberman's Likudnik buddy seems to think it's possible. [BTW JL has been awfully quiet recently.]
MJR: "...Adding to Netanyahu's problems is the lack of support of the status quo lobby for his hard-line position on settlements... AIPAC, which has not spoken out one way or the other, has never explicitly supported the settlement enterprise..."
AIPAC has never had to be "explicit" -- they're always had Israel friendly legislators in the relevant committees to make sure it didn't leave an explicit trail.
and The Forward reference to the event
Plus, have you forgotten that "AIPAC-drafted letter" that may not have "explicity" said they wanted the settlements to say, but it was obvious they don't want Obama to rock the status quo. BTW do we know how many signed onto the [PDF] Hoyer and Cantor letter vs. the Cohen-Boustany-Carnahan letter? We know AIPAC got a good rate of return from the Senate letter.
MJR: "...In short, this is a battle that Obama can win, and it is one that is worth fighting..."
I hope you are right... All I see at the moment is alot of media hype that is playing with words -- A limited front of Jewish legislators [Levin, Berman (hmm..), and Waxman, note Ackerman is missing in the line-up] backing a compliant Israel-Firsters CYA media play on the Palestinian issue, when a possible behind the scenes deal is being made that other pro-Israel Jewish legislators [and nut-job war-mongering Senate republicans] given the nod to come out and say Obama will ultimately back Israel with its belligerent military stance against Iran? Because, really Iran is what it's all about.
Back to the Palestinian issue: seriously, all we have at this point are words. What I'm waiting for is for Clinton's and Mitchell's "...detailed plans on the peace process to the parties as part of its efforts to jump-start negotiations..." If it includes some enforceable "sticks" directed at Israel, e.g. withholding foreign aid and loan guarantees etc, as well as PA and Hamas, but that really goes without saying, and those same legislators backup their words with action then I will sit up and take notice.
May 29, 2009 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Freudian slip "...US protecting (nuke enabled) Israel against Iran..."
May 29, 2009 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Found it...
May 29, 2009 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please make note from that AIPAC letter: "...the parties [i.e. Abbas] themselves must negotiate the details of any agreement" and that the U.S. must "work closely with our democratic ally, who will be taking the greatest risks in any peace agreement."
Noting the problem with Abbas from Bruce Wolman/
Philip Weiss:
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/05/according-to-wapo-obama-has-turned-abbas-into-a-hardliner.html
May 29, 2009 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great Peacenik Fantasy: That Israel would ever willingly offer citizenship and full voting rights to Palestinian residents of Gaza and West Bank.
Greater Peacenik Fantasy: That Palestinians, if given an effective voting rights within Israel and having a majority there, would opt for keeping Israel in more or less the form it is now.
Still Greater Palestinian Fantasy: That Israel can be first forced into giving full voting rights to a new Palestinian majority, and then forced to acquiesce in that majority recovering all properties lost since about 1946. [MJ's "1st alternative']
Great Settler Fantasy: That Palestinians can be provoked into such widespread and horrific terrorism as to give IDF sufficient excuse to ethnically cleanse them all to Jordan or other Arab countries. [MJ's "3rd alternative"]
More Realistic Settler STRATEGY: By a combination of various ruses, keep steadily expanding settlements, grabbing ever more land, pushing Palestinians into ever more crowded conditions on ever more marginal land, provoking them into violence at every opportunity and killing 10-100 of them for every killed Israeli (Nazi style disproportionality) with the goal of a never-declared and always slightly shifting but defacto series of ever more prison-like Bantustans.
[This is a modified version of MJ's "Second alternative," but unlike it never actually becomes a declared apartheid system, but rather a series of shell games covering a defacto apartheid system, in hopes that enough terrorism will occur to rationalize keeping the shell game going in perpetuity. Constant war, thus constant "existential threats" to Israel, thus constant excuse for never compromising]
Realistic and fair approach: Two state solution.
Settlements are thus a problem not because they threaten Israel's future directly, but because they are designed to torpedo a two-state-solution and promote the More Realistic Settler Strategy, This does not mean "ending the Zionist enterprise" but rather keeping it going while it becomes more and more like the latter-day Warsaw Ghetto that the more extreme settlers already imagine all Jews live in anyway.
May 29, 2009 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
MJ:
Great insight. Your perspective has given me insight as to how Obama will deal with Bibi.
Keep it coming.
May 29, 2009 10:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
AIPAC, which has not spoken out one way or the other, has never explicitly supported the settlement enterprise. M.J. Rosenberg
A Sin of Silence? In this case tantamount to an endorsement?
May 30, 2009 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe MJ is right in commending the Obama administration for drawing a hard line on settlements, thus putting distance between itself and Israel. Ultimately, this may redound to Israel's benefit as well enhance the prospects for Mideast peace, and its moral dimensions are also commendable. On the other hand, the Israeli insistence on settlement expansion may be more complex than MJ implies. Extremist settlers may see settlements as non-negotiable, but it's likely that some more pragmatic Israelis see them as potent bargaing tools - the larger, the more potent - that will be used in an ultimate land-for-peace agreement. In such a circumstance, a valuable US role will be to pressure Israel to limit settlements while using the ensuing leverage with moderates in the Arab world as a means of dragging them to the bargaining table.
May 30, 2009 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink