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In a Q&A with Washington Post readers to discuss his book Family of Secrets, Russ Baker responded to a question about George W. Bush and Dick Cheney by writing: "I would question whether either man was a real conservative. They are, more accurately, corporatists, and comfortable with tilting the playing field for their friends. Real conservatives are highly principled, and believe in a fair shake based on performance. What we have seen, time and again, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina response and elsewhere was that their friends and cronies got contracts, then ended up over-billing and doing a poor job."

Baker's reply, like his book as a whole, fails to adequately recognize the deep connections between the ideas of the modern conservative movement about governing and the countless failures of the Bush-Cheney administration. Those ideas to a large extent were developed and propagated for decades with the funding of the corporate interests and well-connected Republicans of the sort Baker fixates on. But it's neglecting a central part of the story to leave out the arguments that Bush, Cheney, and pretty much every conservative Republican made from Reagan onward about how government was the central problem, how privatizing and contracting out public services would lead to greater efficiencies, how government "bureaucrats" were inherently incompetent, how tax cuts for the rich would make everyone better off, how regulations kill jobs and should therefore be subverted, and how militarism would make the country safer. Russ refers in his opening post to those policies as "radical," but they also were long advocated by most mainstream conservatives.

The Bush administration's policies without question benefited the corporate benefactors and allies that Baker focuses on. But there was nothing "secret" about any of that. Bush was pursuing an agenda that conservative politicians, quite openly and energetically, claimed would pave the road toward a better, more prosperous, safer America.

Baker devotes considerable attention to the conversion of FEMA from one of the most highly effective federal agencies under Bill Clinton and James Lee Witt to the horror show we all witnessed after Hurricane Katrina. But that dismantling occurred because Joe Allbaugh followed the conservative playbook for government reform: bypass career civil servants through the appointment of like-minded political appointees, privatize services to purportedly more efficient outside contractors, devolve responsibilities to states, and cut wherever possible -- including previously successful programs. All of that was supposed to make FEMA more cost-effective. But as many progressives warned long before Katrina hit, those policies (in addition to shifting the agency from Cabinet status to the Department of Homeland Security morass) were decimating FEMA. Similar processes occurred throughout the government, as the conservative movement applauded, to comparably catastrophic effect.

What the book leaves out is that Bush and Allbaugh weren't just acting in ways that would help their buddies -- they were carrying out a right-wing agenda that was built on dubious claims that had been sold with great effectiveness to the public for a long time. The right's wealthy funders knew they would reap personal financial rewards while advancing their mission of weakening government from the ideas they pushed, but their political pitch always emphasized that the public as a whole would benefit as well.

To say that Bush and Cheney are not real conservatives lets modern conservatism completely off the hook for the enormous damage its ideas and belief system inflicted on the country. The failures of the right's ideology mostly happened right out in the open, where everyone could see.


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I would say that in terms of domestic policy Bush/Cheney behaved like authoritarian conservatives, albeit decidedly corrupt.

But the best part of conservatism is the part that actually conserves, and in creating and funding their international oil-seeking adventures, they were spendthrift neoconservatives.

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With democrats right there along for the ride. To blame all of our nation's woes on "modern day conservatism" completely abrogates any responsibility that our "leaders" in both parties played in setting this stage. Neither party lives up to its stated ideals and haven't for decades. The neoconservatives were just a little more honest about their addiction to the American Hegemony.

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You missed the point, Jason. The point is that it is the conservative ideology that failed, not just the incompetent politicians (from both sides, if you insist).

This is from an essay called CAN CONSERVATIVES GOVERN? written on the Rightwing Nuthouse website:

Most everyone thinks the government spends too much or taxes too much, or regulates too much, or is just plain too big. But when it comes to their own lives, their own choices, it is just as clear that people believe the government isn’t doing enough. We hold government responsible for the state of the economy, for the cost of food and medical care, for the condition of our schools, our roads, our bridges, rush hour traffic, the drug problem, crime, homelessness, the poor, the almost-poor, the safety and security of our transportation system…shall I go on?

In short, it is impossible to preach “small government” when the people demand that we have a large one.

Read Greg's The Conservatives Have No Clothes. It's still the best reference book on the failure of conservative ideology.

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Again, you miss my point that by "blaming" the entire mess on conservatives alone (or "conservative governing ideology" if you must) we miss the failures at all kinds of levels and will continue to make the same mistakes.

America's original "conservatives" were much more liberal than any democratic president in the last fifty years save Jimmy Carter.

We need to stop with the need to blame everything on one group in some lame and misguided attempt to absolve ourselves of the responsibility for the government we have. This isn't a "conservative" versus "liberal" argument. The issue is whether we can stop swinging from one extreme to the next because we fail to learn the lessons we really needed to learn.

More cowbell is not the answer.

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Your attempt to equate the two is revisionist history and false equivalency at its most dishonest.

How old are you, anyway, fifteen? Democrats didn't start making a move to the right until facing electoral oblivion in the face of the Reagan Revolution. The tax-cutting, deficit-spending snake oil sold by an avuncular huckster, with the full backing of a press more concerned with ratings and profits than the truth, is the source of almost all of our economic problems today.

Reaganism/W Bushism is the apotheosis of real-world conservatism. Don't blame liberals, or even moderates seeking to maintain their political viability within the system, for the myopia and ultimate destructiveness of the conservative movement. They were in almost complete control for the last thirty years, and they maintained their dominance through a brazen refusal to tell the American public the truth or to engage in anything resembling honest political debate.

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How old are you? Twelve? Thirteen? Surely not older than fourteen given the tenor of your reply.

Democrats have been every bit as the nationalistic and corporate-centric demagogues as the republican party has been since at least the end of World War II and probably going back to reconstruction. This insistence that our current problems began with Reagan or Bush or whatever republican you care to name is what is revisionist history.

This country has been run by small groups of powerful white men, on the left and right, since our founding documents were signed. You should bone up on American History. Even a cursory read of People's History of the United States gives lie to your contention that the republican party is the root of all evil.

America is dying for lack of historical context on the left and right. You seem to be every bit as blind and ideologically-driven as you claim the right to be.

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I must have missed Reagan's Great Society programs then.

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I must have imagined Johnson killing a million Vietnamese then.

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Ronald Reagan and/or Richard Nixon vs. FDR - You Decide.

To say Republicans are demonstrably worse at promoting the general welfare is not the same as saying Democrats aren't corrupt, or haven't made huge blunders in our history. It's the "they're both the same" argument that I reject as simpleminded and historically inaccurate.

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Truman versus Eisenhower. You decide. FDR versus Lincoln. You decide. Nixon versus Clinton. You decide. We report. You decide. Oh, wait, that is the "other side's" tactics. Boiling a complex historical tapestry down to a Manichean struggle is naive at best.

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We're talking the modern conservative movement here. You're the one that wants to conflate the issues being discussed to all of recorded history.

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Context is important when trying to change hearts and minds. Historical context even more so.

By ascribing specific (and suspect) motivations to an entire group of diverse individuals based on the actions of a few, you continue the Us-vs-Them sideshow that American politics has become and ensure that nothing will ever change.

If that is your goal, then so be it, but I don't see this as a zero-sum game.

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Actually . . .

Mister Bluster Butt simply wishes to keep folks running blindly down his rabbit holes for as long as possible...

~OGD~

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Because seeking a more complete understanding of history when evaluating our current environment is a rabbit hole. Totally immaterial. Fluff. Idiocy. Something you have never done in your entire life. Quackety, quack, quack. Protesting too much is bad for the karma.

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Wow . . .

Simply more squatting and peeing out of the ol' Admiral Bluster Butt there . . .

~OGD~

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Most of the unwanted and unwarranted excrement at TPM is found when you have waddled past.

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He's . . .

. . . left another puddle.

~OGD~

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He's...

...used more odd punctuation.

~JEM~

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Extremism in the defense of the long-outdated right-left dichotomy is no vice?

Evaluating politicians and their actions objectively, rather than through knee-jerk and obsolete classifications is no virtue?

Goldwater is spinning in his grave at the thought of "liberals" insisting that Cheney and W's hypocrisy was based on his principles.

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"Real conservatives are highly principled, and believe in a fair shake based on performance."

And can be found in American politics about as often as a unicorn can be found in the woods.

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Very fine post Greg.

I agree fixating on Bush/Cheney misses the mark. They have been key players for a long time, and the Bush family were patriarchs of the movement, but it is really more the conservative movement that should be focused on.

You make points that I have been hollering about for years. How the conservatives make the claim that government is ineffective and then turns around and makes it so to make their case. There aren't enough rich people to keep voting them into power so they play on the hate and fear of those predisposed to those emotions (mainly racial biases, religious intolerance and xenophobia) to vote against their own best interests allowing those who hold the power to their hold on it. All the while making sure their benefactors corporate interests are protected and then are rewarded them with high paying jobs in a revolving door policy when they leave power. Look at Cheney and Rumsfeld since they began their career in government...they continually vacillate between the government and the private sector where they are paid handsomely for the 'access' they provide when they are not part of it. And they are far from the exception.

I have to agree with Jason's assertion that there are Democrats guilty of the same behavior...so they can get a taste of the $$ too (see: Bill Clinton and NAFTA). But by and large this is the conservative agenda and its goal to continually enrich incredibly wealthy white American men, aka "The Captains of Industry", and make sure their oligarchy is kept firmly in place. That is what the whole movement revolves around and while the Bush family are key players in it, it is much bigger than just them.

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I still maintain that it isn't a conservative position at all and didn't start with republicans, but actually started with democrats under Woodrow Wilson.

Those in power keep shifting the ball from left to right, but it was always a corporate agenda hidden beneath the rhetorical limbo. "How low can you go?" has been the rallying cry throughout our political history, no matter what the parties happened to be called. Republican and democratic president alike, no matter their individual policies, have made the corporate agenda their agenda. Obama is advancing that agenda right now, just far more eloquently and subtly than Bush or Cheney would ever care to.

I wish we would stop with trying to apply any label to the complex clusterfuck that describes our history as a nation. The more I read about every era of American politics, from Washington to George Junior, the more amazed I am that we haven't already been knocked off by a younger, smarter competitor.

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Jason: You're right. Saying American conservatism is a vast well of corruption and the root of all our current sorrows is dishonest - a partisan lie by distortion. Regulation of credit default swaps - which could've helped prevent last summer's meltdown - was harpooned by the Clinton Adminstration, and his liberal interventionists executed his bombing of Serbia, phonied up by our lapdog media during the Kosovo War as a latter-day Nazi stronghold. About the ethnic cleansing of Serbians from Kosovo - by the drug lords and Muslim radicals we installed? Not a f*ckin' peep. Much of the current crap this nation stews in was cooked up by neoconservatives, a "right-wing" movement of recent immigrants from the Trotsky Left. There's plenty of blame to go around, even for spotless liberals to dip their hypocritical toes into.

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It continues to amaze at how short and short-sighted our collective memory is, Curt. I hope we are witnessing the beginning of the end for that particular handicap with the Internet, though I am sure will devise some new and idiotic way to screw things up.

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I haven't read Baker's book, but I agree with Greg Anrig on the importance of ideas. Ideas and a network of people implementing them are not mutually exclusive. Far from it. Also to consider is the backdrop of the cold war, which could permit a son and grandson of a Liberty Leaguer like Prescott Bush to rationalize quite a bit. A couple threads ago I linked to this Sam Tanenhaus talk where he refers to conservatives' deliberately-created governing bureaucracy, which Jim Sleeper translated to a liberal audience as:

[A] parody of the liberal "new class," an on-message machine of talkers, squawkers, power brokers, and greedheads which Slate's Jacob Weisberg dubbed "the Con-intern." Their social ideas resemble Margaret Thatcher's more than Disraeli's, driven by a corporate capitalist materialism that's as soulless as the Marxist dialectical materialism of their elders' nightmares...
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san fernando curt and jason everett miller - a two conservative circle jerk hoping to avoid the ravages of history.

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You make our case for us, neither of whom could be considered "conservative" in the pejorative sense you imply. Jim Boz, another Liberal Warrior who can't see the irony of his continued failure to convince people of what should be common sense positions.

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