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It was almost like an episode from Bloggingheads.tv. On the one side was President Obama speaking on national security in a measured and statesmanlike way. On the other side was former vice-president Dick Cheney trying to speak on national security in a measured and statesmanlike way.

It wasn't even close. Obama deftly wove his own personal saga and faith in American values with its future. His indictment of the Bush administration wasn't something that Obama wanted to deliver--as he made it clear, he wants to move on. Cheney's campaign to hail his own record forced Obama to recount, once more, why it was that the Bush administration besmirched America's Constitution, why "enhanced interrogation" didn't enhance American security but directly jeopardized it.

Once again, Cheney, by contrast, offered a deceptively consoling vision of an America that can't lose its moral bearings because any measures that are deemed necessary to protect it are, by definition, just and righteous. Why is anyone even listening to him? The failure of the Bush administration's foreign policy has been patently obvious--a morass in Iraq, a resurgent insurgency in Afghanistan and Pakistan--note that Obama did not include Iraq as part of the struggle against terrorism--and the collapse of American standing around the globe.

But since even Democratic Senators seem to be cowering before the idea of shuttering Guantanamo, it's worth briefly examining Cheney's modus operandi once again. In his speech at the American Enterprise, Cheney deployed a number of familiar tactics.

First, he revived the bogus claim that Saddam Hussein was working hand-in-glove with al-Qaeda: "We had the anthrax attack from an unknown source. We had the training camps of Afghanistan, and dictators like Saddam Hussein with known ties to Mideast terrorists."

Second, he depicted the Democrats as woefully out of touch with reality, trapped in a law enforcement approach when it comes to national security: "You can look at the facts and conclude that the comprehensive strategy has worked, and therefore needs to be continued as vigilantly as ever. Or you can look at the same set of facts and conclude that 9/11 was a one-off event - coordinated, devastating, but also unique and not sufficient to justify a sustained wartime effort. Whichever conclusion you arrive at, it will shape your entire view of the last seven years, and of the policies necessary to protect America for years to come."

But as Obama pointed out, the Bush administration didn't really have a strategy, but an ad hoc policy towards prosecuting terrorists. Furthermore, Obama has not, and did not, say that 9/11 was an isolated event. In fact, he courageously noted that he cannot promise that another attack will never take place. But he also made it clear that stopping terrorism is his number one priority. Does that sound like someone who is asleep at the switch? Like a president, who, when listening to a CIA briefer warning about a looming al-Qaeda attack, says, "All right. You've covered your ass now."

Third, Cheney claimed, "Our government prevented attacks and saved lives through the Terrorist Surveillance Program, which let us intercept calls and track contacts between al-Qaeda operatives and persons inside the United States. The program was top secret, and for good reason, until the editors of the New York Times got it and put it on the front page. After 9/11, the Times had spent months publishing the pictures and the stories of everyone killed by al-Qaeda on 9/11. Now here was that same newspaper publishing secrets in a way that could only help al-Qaeda." But what operatives and persons inside the United States did this program ever expose?

Fourth, Cheney made it sound as though the Bush administration never embraced torture. The problem was confined to a few low-level, rogue guards: "At Abu Ghraib, a few sadistic prison guards abused inmates in violation of American law, military regulations, and simple decency. For the harm they did, to Iraqi prisoners and to America's cause, they deserved and received Army justice. And it takes a deeply unfair cast of mind to equate the disgraces of Abu Ghraib with the lawful, skillful, and entirely honorable work of CIA personnel trained to deal with a few malevolent men."

Fifth, Cheney ridiculed the notion that the Bush administration's tactics boomeranged: "This recruitment-tool theory has become something of a mantra lately, including from the President himself. And after a familiar fashion, it excuses the violent and blames America for the evil that others do. It's another version of that same old refrain from the Left, "We brought it on ourselves."

The reference to the "left" is a revealing slip. Cheney began his speech by presenting himself as a simple, plainspoken fellow who had no office to seek, no grudges to settle. But by the end, his mask slipped and the culture warrior appeared. His war isn't against terrorism. It's against Obama.


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Can't wait to see what this does to voter opinions on national security.

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You think Cheney can do anything but push the GOP numbers further down?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/19/obama-makes-historic-gain_n_205209.html

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LOL.

Here's Gallup on Republicans recovering their party ID numbers:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/Party-Affiliation.aspx

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LOL?

Your party went from total domination to "out to pasture" in four years.

Good luck with those polls.

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ROFL Lalo, one obviously outlier poll is a mighty slender reed to hang onto. . . Come back with and LOL in a month or two and we'll see if those numbers hold up.
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/new_gallup_has_pid_tied_yep_it.php

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Cheny makes Obama look even better. He is destroying the R Party.

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Yes he does.

So does Williams Gates

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LOL - Mr Secretary, you know William Gates is nothing but a ploy to humanize and exploit Obomba's shallowness and before you know it, Captain Robert Keeshan, Economic advisor to the president, will emerge and fall over the teleprompter.

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Cheney is lying: Torture was used for political ends, to get terror-suspects to "Confess" to the Iraq- Al Qaeda fictional link.

People should focus on his lies and pick thm apart, not get into his petty, 12 year old schoolyard bully tactics.

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Someone needs to take Cheney by the elbow (and none too gently) and steer him back into his undisclosed location and lock the door before he harms anyone else. Then send Halliburton the bill for his upkeep.

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Why is anyone even listening to him? Jacob Heilbrunn

Because Americans supported torture, illegal eavesdropping, an imperial presidency, and various other unconstitutional practices -- for years and years -- and want to believe they did so out of love of country and not out of cowardice and a childlike willingness to believe their leaders.

Cheney says you weren't a childish coward, you were a patriot. Who wouldn't want to hear that?

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"...cowardice" is the operative word, Ellen, and I salute you for having the courage to point out to us that a couple of draft-dodgers, Bush/Cheney, found enough of a receptive audience of fellow yellow-bellies out here who ate up their rhetoric and could go to bed at night comforted in the fact that they weren't cowards, they were patriots.

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"...cowardice and a childlike willingness to believe their leaders."

Bingo!

Right on Ellen!

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It's called the No Effort Patriotism. It's especially designed for those who had better things to do than mingle with ordinary folk who filled the ranks of the military in time of national need. It's okay not to do your civic duty when your country needs you the most. Intent trumps actions.

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XL, Cheney's infamous "undisclosed location" is apparently a bunker beneath the VP's house. We can't put him there unless we want to re-enact the Phantom of the Opera. *cue spooky organ music*

I say put him in Gitmo to await trial, and give him as many colonoscopies as he wants.

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IF GWB really cares about his legacy, he should take action to reign in his VP. Valor now is better than letting history see what a shadow president he was.

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Remember this guy named Nixon? Well, he ran his own Presidential Library without government interference. Once he died and the Library was turned over to the government, they had to clean house literally because he used the facility to paint himself as a victim of a smear campaign by the Democrats. Same thing will happen with Bu$h, but I suppose his family (both daugthers and his family's fortune) will see to it that his deception remains intact long after he dies.

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I see no evidence at all that Obama wants to "move on." Just that he's engaging in a cover-up. If he really wanted to move on, then he'd begin prosecutions for these horrendous crimes. That's the one and only way to deal with it. Anything else is just adding to the damage. Speaking "in a measured and statesmanlike way" doesn't mean anything. So he's good at PR, propaganda and speeches. So what? What matters is that he took an oath to defend the constitution and enforce the law, and that he is willfully and knowingly refusing to do what he is obligated to do. Failure to prosecute is a CRIME, and an impeachable offense. The reality is that the reason he's engaging in a cover-up is not to spare the nation any pain, but to cover up the extensive involvement of the Democrats in these crimes. And that involvement includes his own, since he was in Congress for several years, clearly knew what was going on, and refused to call for investigations. I'm sorry, but I don't see any differences at all between Obama and Cheney. They're birds of the same feather. Obama is better at the PR, but he's still breaking the law.

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Cheney is a fascist...

Keep on talking Dick...the more you do the better the D's look. Moron...

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Obama's speech today was a big political mistake. He handed Cheney and the Republicans a golden opportunity, and they have seized it.

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DanK,

The Republicans haven't seized me, I'm still a Liberal Democrat. Thet have been reduced to speaking to their base, about 10% of the population. I think its called "speaking to the choir."

On the other hand, the MSM will run with any charge they make regardless of how ludicrous.

Wolf Blitzer: 'So Senator Dodd, Mitch McConnell says the world is flat, what about that?'

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Uhhhh . . .

Step slowly away from the cake.

Do not eat the cake.

Warning ... DO NOT EAT THE CAKE!

~OGD~

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28 times obomba “Blames Someone Else” Now that’s serious Politics – not smart, but serious. How about the truth – Try not to wet your tighty whities now.

http://dancirucci.blogspot.com/2009/05/gitmo-obamas-blame-game.html

From Vice President Cheney's remarks now being delivered to the American Enetrprise Institute:
It’s hard to imagine a worse precedent, filled with more possibilities for trouble and abuse, than to have an incoming administration criminalize the policy decisions of its predecessors. . . .

We hear from some quarters nothing but feigned outrage based on a false narrative. In my long experience in Washington, few matters have inspired so much contrived indignation and phony moralizing as the interrogation methods applied to a few captured terrorists.

I might add that people who consistently distort the truth in this way are in no position to lecture anyone about “values.” Intelligence officers of the United States were not trying to rough up some terrorists simply to avenge the dead of 9/11. We know the difference in this country between justice and vengeance. Intelligence officers were not trying to get terrorists to confess to past killings; they were trying to prevent future killings. From the beginning of the program, there was only one focused and all-important purpose. We sought, and we in fact obtained, specific information on terrorist plans.

Those are the basic facts on enhanced interrogations. And to call this a program of torture is to libel the dedicated professionals who have saved American lives, and to cast terrorists and murderers as innocent victims. What’s more, to completely rule out enhanced interrogation methods in the future is unwise in the extreme. It is recklessness cloaked in righteousness, and would make the American people less safe.
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Another term out there that slipped into the discussion is the notion that American interrogation practices were a “recruitment tool” for the enemy. On this theory, by the tough questioning of killers, all 3 of them, we have supposedly fallen short of our own values. This recruitment-tool theory has become something of a mantra lately, including from the President himself. And after a familiar fashion, it excuses the violent and blames America for the evil that others do. It’s another version of that same old refrain from the Left, “We brought it on ourselves.”

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ESAD displays Orwellian doublethink to trumpet the Cheneyism of how he was 'saving American lives' when Bush/Cheney presided over an unprecedented huge loss of life of US citizens and military personnel:

(1) the greatest loss of Americans lives due to a terror attack in US history.

(2) the greatest loss of American lives in a natural disaster in 75 years with hurricane Katrina.

(3)In both Iraq and in Afghanistan the largest number of American troops killed in action since Vietnam.

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You're the reason why we need universal health care. I can't imagine myself living in a world completely divorced from reality.

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Cheney's war - and that of the GOP - is a war against the American people.

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My blood pressure spiked when I hear him drop this bomb: "We hear from some quarters nothing but feigned outrage based on a false narrative." Mr. Cheney, first, the narrative is not false, and, second, my outrage is not feigned. So what now?

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If the American people don't start understanding that the FACTS of 9/11 do not prove that 19 hijackers, but that factions in our on government were the real terrorists that designed,and executed the horror of that day, we will be wallowing in this false issue until it also will become moot.

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