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Changing the Conversation Around Women's Rights

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First off, let me say how much I admire The Means of Reproduction, right down to the clever -- more than clever -- title. It brings together so many crucial strands of recent history and current international politics, and in such a confident, sure-footed way. Plus, it's so well written! It should be required reading for anyone who wants to understand our world, from the proliferation of NGOs to the outbreak of fundamentalism around the world, including here in the US.

The Means of Reproduction ought to change the conversation around women's rights. As others have said, atrocities against women and the persistent denial of women's rights reflect a fundamental belief that what happens to women, while sad or regrettable, just isn't that important. It doesn't turn larger wheels -- the means of production, for example, or the fate of nations. It's only recently that human-rights campaigners began to include women's rights in their mission and development experts began to see that the subjection of women -- child marriage, lack of control over fertility, maternal injury and mortality, illiteracy, lack of property rights, domestic violence and so on -- helps keep countries poor and populations ignorant, sickly and in turmoil.

I agree with Michelle that the cause of women needs allies. And vice versa! Look, for example, at how women's low status combined with male sexual privilege has fuelled the AIDS epidemic: whether as wives, prostitutes, girlfriends or young girls who trade sex for "presents" from older men, women in much of the world do not have enough social or economic or even legal power to protect themselves. It's crucial that women's rights be part of public health. Or take child well-being: as long as women are having too many children too soon, and are suffering and dying in childbirth, kids are not going to flourish. Or development: any country that puts half its brains and talent and energy under a burqa is wasting half its resources-- more than half, when you consider the need of children for educated, healthy mothers and for economically stable families.

To take a stab at a question Michelle raised in her first post, I'm not much of a multiculturalist. Or rather, I see every culture, like our own, as fluid and conflicted. Who decides the position of "the culture" ? A priest, an imam, a legislature? Older people or younger ones? What people say? What they do? What they'd like to say or do but can't because of the consequences? The girls who want to choose their own husbands are just as much a part of their cultures as the parents who give them to some old man. In the United States, a great deal of violence against women is condoned and always has been. Should we just shrug our shoulders, and say "that's our culture"? Or do we look to the parts of our tradition that promote equality and justice for all?

That said, there are obviously more and less successful ways of promoting women's rights around the world. Connecting them closely with an invading US army and a corrupt and violent occupation is probably asking for a backlash. Ditto letting women's emancipation become the plaything of a kleptocratic elite.


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I patiently read that entire post, and I just don't see any substance there. It's not a serious discussion of issues, not informative, not even a good book review.

To sum up:

Pollitt likes the book, a lot, thinks women need allies. (Women need allies and "vs versa" whatever that's supposed to mean... aren't alliances by nature mutual? Maybe Pollitt can't help but think in dualities?) Pollitt then does a drive-by on a number of humanitarian issues from AIDS in Africa. Pollitt finally declares she's "not much of a multiculturalist" becasue she doesn't support authoritarianism.

Huh? Obviously multiculturalism does not equate to authoritarianism, but implies a respect for different cultures.

Comparing culture immediately with authoritarianism is maybe another glimpse into Pollitt's mind, that her worldview is like so many Movement Feminists on every issue: them against the patriarchy, black/white, 24/365.

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Hello again, Kozmik! Your ubiquitous posts seem designed to block or veer away from the conversations that Goldberg and others are trying to facilitate. Congratulations on your success!

Here, Pollitt is responding to the question: "First, how do you see the tensions between feminism and multiculturalism, and how should the United States, Europe and the UN promote women's rights in countries with unsympathetic governments or local leadership?" As she rightly observes, there is a problem with whatever is designated as "culture," since it can ignore and/or contradict women's perspective.

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Apparently my post in this thread didn't block you from posting. Nor are TPMC'ers known for their lack of argument about issues they support. So much for your Feminist Blogger Victim theory.

Do you also think I'm to blame for polls showing 4/5 of women don't identify as Feminist, and more than half consider Feminist an insult?

And what monolithic "women's perspective" are you referring to?

Cultures are integrated systems. Every element within a culture makes sacrifices and has external considerations. You can never understand a culture by approaching it from a limited perspective representing one interest group. A culture by definition mush be approached and understood holistically.

For example, gender roles evolved in agrarian communities based on the realities of upper body strength relative to labor, carrying a pregnancy to term, breast feeding, etc. It's important to understand roles holistically within an environment to realize that at one point it actually made sense in an agrarian society.

It's also important to understand that in many circumstances men have historically held more power, becasue they fought the wars and did much of the governing consequently, as well as developing much of the technology. It's important to realize that while warfare is bad for us now, throughout much of history it was how culture spread via a brutal competition, and that it had a viable place in our evolution.

It's also important to understand that we in the developed world have evolved technologically beyond that, therefore those gender roles are no longer viable, and neither is war. We now have trade, global media, etc, so we don't need to literally conquer each other to circulate ideas or distribute resources. We don't rely on upper body strength for office work. Etc.

Lastly, it's important to understand that people change slowly and power structures have momentum not becasue they're evil or misogynist, but becasue we all rely heavily on a common set of rules and assumptions, which don't change overnight.

That's not the male condition, it's the human condition. Just look at the Feminist Movment, women like Dworkin, or the various crazy fatwas Feminists issued as soon as achieving some power.

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