Some Things I Learned From This Week's Discussion
I led off this week's discussion with a quick review of our main findings along with a plea to discuss some open questions about the sources of some of the changes in American politics in the past few decades.
In response, Nolan McCarty referred to evidence that the Democratic and Republican parties in Congress have moved apart on the issues, and, at the same time, the economic gap between rich and poor has increased. As a result, rich and poor people remain distinct in their voting patterns--even amid the cross-cutting social issues that have led casual observers such as Michael Barone to mistakenly suppose that the Democrats are now the party of the "trustfunders" and the Republicans are the party of the "common people."
That said, we shouldn't overstate the extent to which voting is determined by one's economic status: in 2008, Obama received about 50% of the vote of people with family incomes over $150,000. Nolan also discussed the role of religion in voting. As we discuss in chapter 6 of Red State, Blue State, religious attendance is basically uncorrelated with income: rich and poor are equally likely to be frequent church attenders. Nolan goes beyond our discussion of public opinion to consider some of the structural reasons why religious people are voting Republican at a rate that wasn't happening before 1992. For example, as late as the 1980s, there was no difference between the average attitudes of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents on abortion:
To continue on the dimension of social issues, Eric Rauchway pointed out the importance of racial voting, and Steve Sailer elaborated on his story of geographic separation being caused by rising home prices in economically booming coastal cities. Each of these ideas, along with the partisan polarization story, tends to be presented on its own, and in our book we tried to put these together. I wouldn't say we came up with a grand unified theory--we juxtaposed all these ideas more than fully integrating them--but I hope we facilitated future understanding, if only by presenting graphs that would rule out various simple hypotheses.
Finally, Matthew Yglesias, Aaron Swartz, and Eric Rauchway steered the discussion to the topic of how the ideas in our book might be relevant to political activists. No, I don't think that John McCain would've won the election with a different pitch--just as I don't think Michael Dukakis could've pulled it off in 1988 had he only had a better message. 2008 was a Democratic year. But I was able to draw some advice from our book, which I provided free of charge to the blog readers, on the hope that it would be good for activists of both parties to be more aware of what the voters are interested in. And, as Swartz, Rauchway, and Sailer discuss, there's a lot more out there that political activists can do.
Pretty much all my analysis is of public data. For example, the Pew research website is right here, and I don't think it will take much searching for you to find the National Election Study, the General Social Survey, and all the rest. So I encourage you to read our book carefully (as well as my ongoing research, some of which appears here and here)--and if you want to disagree, go to the data and draw your own graphs, and your own conclusions. The book was intended to be empowering as much as it is authoritative.
Finally, I was sorry to see that Nathan Newman and Will Wilkinson did not present their contributions to the discussion. Maybe something is still forthcoming?




















You gave two examples of candidates that still couldn't have won with your advice. Do you see any in hindsight that could have won if they made right move X or avoided wrong move Y?
Speaking of polarization, I checked out a DW NOMINATE graph of correct classification for Congress from 1789 to 2005 to see if the theory put forth in Glaeser & War's Myths and Realities of American Polical Geography analogizing the present to the post-Civil War pre-New Deal was accurate. We are currently at high point, but it seems to have gotten similarly high in the late 1800s/early 1900s and briefly in the late 1700s/early 1900s. Maybe around the turn of the century Congress always polarizes?
Will Wilkinson's schtick is philosophy. He's completely open about his "liberaltarian" goals having nothing to do with actual politics and everything to do with what kind of people he'd like to talk with about more abstract concerns. Also, he hasn't updated his blog in a while.
April 25, 2009 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, I don't think there was much that McCain or Dukakis could've done to win. You never know, but that's the way it is. Some years your party just doesn't have much of a chance.
Also, I think there are big differences between politics now and 100 years ago, most notably in that the parties are more national. But, yes, many people have remarked about the return of partisan polarization, especially a few years ago, when the Republicans appeared dominant in a way that they were for most of the period between 1896 and 1930.
April 25, 2009 6:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
To clarify, I wasn't asking if there were any actions McCain or Dukakis could have taken, but if there were any losing candidates that might have had a chance at winning if they knew what you know. I suppose "any" was rather vague.
April 25, 2009 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink