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Bill Clinton On Netanyahu Plus Clayton Swisher's Shocking Report Of Killing of Unarmed Demonstrator in West Bank

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I keep harping on the administration's clear signals to the Israeli government to stop playing games and get back to negotiations.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Israelis "get" Obama or take him seriously although Obama surely "gets" Netanyahu,

If he needs a primer on Bibi, he can just ask his Secretary of State or her husband. As I've written before, the last time Netanyahu became Prime Minister I was at an event (this was in 1997) where I corralled President Clinton, and told him (as if he needed my advice) that he has to expect Bibi to do everything he can to stonewall the peace process.

I chewed his hear off for a minute or two. Then he smiled, put his arm around my shoulder, and said, "Bibi? You don't know the half of it, my friend."

He then indicated that he shared my view -- and more -- but when I asked him to tell me about the "half" I didn't know, he demurred! Obama should ask him -- or Hillary-- about the whole story. She knows it for sure.

One other thing, Clinton said that he thought Netanyahu's election indicated that Yitzhak Rabin's assassin was one of the few of that number who actually achieved his goal. His goal was to kill off the peace process which, Clinton thought, was essentially achieved when Netanyahu (who had led the anti-Rabin protests) was elected. But that didn't keep Clinton from pursuing the peace process despite his disdain (mild word) for Neanyahu. He even got Netanyahu to agree to withdraw from 11% of the West Bank at the Wye River Summit (that withdrawal was never implemented however).

Check this out.
Clay Swisher reports on killing of unarmed demonstrator in Bilin, West Bank. As he points out, peaceful demonstrations against the occupation are often deadly.


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The Obama administration says it believes in a two State policy. TO STATE it bluntley, that should mean recognizing successive Prime Ministers and groups claiming to represent the interest of Palistinians have made their politiical bones off of this conflict and have no real interest in seeing it go away.

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Pretty glib. What would be your recommendation, specifically, to resolve the ridiculous endless conflict? We're 60 years into it already. How do we get out, specifically?

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M.J., has Rahm ever been given the Freeman treatment in any way, shape, or form?

Please let us know when Rahm gets called an enemy of Israel, or anything else that would let us know he is a threat to Likud in any way.

I'll definitely feel better when this administration insists on not just a "two state solution," but specifics from which the Israelis and Palestinians can adjust collaboratively, if both parties prefer.

Even Sharon talked of desiring a two state solution. Talk is cheap, and I'd imagine Rahm has sent plenty of winks and nods around.

Or maybe his really is about to break his elderly father's heart.

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Knowing Netanyahu is not difficult. An egocentric, power-hungry, AIPACnik who wants to enter the history books as the man who saved Israel and the world. Problem is that he's a lightweight who is no match for Obama who will eat him alive.

The Netanyahus of this world are only brave when they have a mob behind them. Alone, he becomes a quivering boy with a large waistline and an assertive wife.

There's no match. When Omaba says jump, our baby Bibi will jump!

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Good point.
At this point, it's all winks and nods. Nothing tangible.
I'm just reporting signs, even straws in the wind. Hopefully, it's not just wishful thinking.
After all, I rely (as most bloggers do) on other journalists who dig up the stories. If their stories are wrong....
I wish all my writing could be based on first hand experience like the Clinton anecdote from 1996.

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This gives me some confidence. I bet know Obama knows everything Hill does and that Hill knows everything Bill does so if Bill demurred, he did it for a reason. If Big Dog thought the Obama team was doing something wrong, he'd let you, and other people, know about it.

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You know, I have been stupid enough to not even reflect on this particular advantage of Hillary at State. If she doesn't herself know inside out some aspect of U.S. foreign policy as between late 1992 and January 19, 2001, she bunks with a guy who does.

I said from the get-go that picking her was shrewd; I just didn't focus on this added bonus. She's been wowing audiences overseas. Talk about star power! When asked about engaging in hate games as to Venezuela, she said we can't base things on ideology, adding "That's so yesterday."

Good line! When did we have a SecState that even talked that way? :) She charmed the fuck out of Raul Castro even! (Bet that pissed off his big brother, though, but again he's so yesterday...)

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his big brother

El Caballo muerte nunca!

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Un camino es peculiar, si no tiene ninguna vuelta!

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Good points, M.J. Obama needs to work with the American Jewish community to increase the pressure on Netanyahu. IMHO they, and their $$$'s are key.

Please take a look at my blog; Obama Calls Out The Israeli Government

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Hey, MJ, this is really good to hear. The only positive thing about the election of Netanyahu is that maybe he'd have more credibility with the extremists than a more reasonable (sane?) PM, and could therefore push through a peace agreement more easily, were he so inclined, or successfully pressured to do so. Kinda like Nixon and China. Bibi doesn't have Nixon's intelligence, although he may have a similar cagey instinct for political survival; even still it's going to be a pretty hard sell for Obama and Clinton.

Any idea whether Obama's amendment will get through Congress? That might be another hard sell. It's also very cool to find out that you've been rubbing elbows with Bill.

My apologies because the following is entirely OT. I spent a considerable amount of time yesterday trying to get a link to you. It's to an article entitled, "China's Palestine Policy." It seemed to be something you might find interesting. Here's the link: http://www.jamestown.org/programs/chinabrief/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=34662&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=25&cHash=4180a17847

Just FYI, the contact form on the IPF site just didn't work for me - captcha kept returning errors. I also sent the article through the talk@talkingpointsmemo.com address, and asked that the article be forwarded to you.

Perhaps you don't really want to have articles such as this one sent to you. I can see how you might be bombarded; although I myself probably find articles worth forwarding only once in every several months or so, you have a lot of readers so it could become unmanageable if everyone was sending articles. Please let me know your preference, and if you'd like to receive them, what method to use to get them to you. Thanks.

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Am I invisible?

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Yes. Why? Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Heh...very funny.

I meant invisible to MJ, who skipped over my post, not replying to my question.

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I've got to laugh at the reverse nature of this post. Instead of an anonymous source providing outrageous quotes we've got a well known source making empty (anonymous) but implied outrageous quotes.

We, the public, "don't know the half of it" pretty much sums up the failure, and probably the collapse too, of "journalism."

Fortunately most of this site doesn't follow your views on the nature of bloggers and blogging.

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I don't see how Hillary is some valuable force for peace just because her husband told M.J. that he "doesn't know the half of it."

This is Hillary's speech at the AIPAC Policy Conference last year:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3874985626240986640&ei=dQ_qSbqLAoKSqQL93pwp&q=hillary+aipac+speech&hl=en

It's a speech Bibi himself would have written for her, though he probably wasn't one of her speech consultants.

The 2009 AIPAC Conference is coming up. Get ready for some fresh nausea and dashed hopes.


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Semper paratus

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Hillary's speech from last year?

Would that have been before she became Obama's Secretary of State?

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According to this McClatchy report Netanyahu is up to his old tricks.

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The expropriators' usual teary riff is, "You expect us to negotiate with murderers? With people who deny our right to exist?"

Followed by,

"Before we negotiate with these hateful people, they must first do [some humiliating and politically impossible thing]."

And that's what Bibi is up to now, yes, you're right.

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"But that didn't keep Clinton from pursuing the peace process despite his disdain (mild word) for Neanyahu."


And Bill was able to outlast Bibi and work near the end of his term with Ehud Barak - laboring tirelessly at Camp David 2000 to forge a monster Land-For-Peace arrangement, which Arafat walked away from. Both sides at various times, have kept it from happening in my estimation.

Nobody can doubt Clinton's resolve to crack the stalemate, nor Bush's indifference to it, nor (should) that Obama and Hillary will actually care about it again on behalf of the United States.

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This situation only worsens each day. I must have hope that President Obama will be the American leader who finally forces some change in Israeli policy. It embarrasses me as a Jew that Israel has become the kind of nation it now is. I hardly know what I can say or think anymore.

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CQ reports:

Harman was recorded saying she would “waddle into” the AIPAC case “if you think it’ll make a difference,” according to two former senior national security officials familiar with the NSA transcript.

In exchange for Harman’s help, the sources said, the suspected Israeli agent pledged to help lobby Nancy Pelosi , D-Calif., then-House minority leader, to appoint Harman chair of the Intelligence Committee after the 2006 elections, which the Democrats were heavily favored to win.

Seemingly wary of what she had just agreed to, according to an official who read the NSA transcript, Harman hung up after saying, “This conversation doesn’t exist.”

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=hsnews-000003098436

Well, now we know why Jane was passed over to head the Intel Committee. I wonder what conversations exist re Iran? Oh, wait, they probably don't exist either.

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Obama (via Mitchell) says that a two state solution within the context of a broad middle east solution is in the American national interest. There. The gauntlet has been thrown down. Perhaps in response to the drumbeat of criticism about Israel coopting or directing or subverting or whatever our national interests, Obama lays down the key track, as it were. The fact that Barack says that Israel has to come up with a counter-proposal to the Arab plan says to me that he gets it. What will Netanyahu/Lieberman do?

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