Bibi to Iran and Obama: "Drop Dead"
Go over to my Israel Policy Forum home to see what I mean by that fanciful headline.
No, Netanyahu did not say that in so many words. But his meaning (in an interview with Jeff Goldberg) is pretty clear. He is not going to help President Obama resolve the Iran nuclear issue through diplomacy (nor will President Peres, Defense Minister Barak or Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman).
Bibi believes that Iran will happily sacrifice millions to destroy Israel and, armed with that rather uninformed view, he knows that the only way to save Israel is to strike first.
Imagine waking up to that news which, in my opinion, would inexorably lead to the very horror Netanyahu claims to most fear. As for America, any attack by Israel would be viewed by the Muslim world as an attack by US (and we have 130,000 kids next door).
Anyway, check out my piece and follow the links to both Goldberg and Klein. While you are there, check out the new IPF website, which is the pro-Israel community's best (by far) website on the Middle East and is updated around the clock.

















This should really help to bring peace to the Middle East.
Netanyahu seems to believe that a "peaceful" Arab is a dead Arab and his goal is to bring "peace" to all Arabs.
We are so screwed.
April 3, 2009 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are there no middle-ground scenarios ? Is it going to be an air attack or nothing ?
I have long wondered why, if Iran and the US hate each other so much, why does the US not blockade Iran's oil shipments ?
Naval blockade is a venerable tactic; oil tankers are certainly not going to run a blockade; Iran's money would be shut off in an instant. Sure Iran's speedboats would come zipping out to confront the US Navy, but if our Navy cannot handle speedboats ...
The price of oil would zoom up to some huge number; there would be an outcry ... but would a blockade lead to disaster like an air strike ? A blockade can be called off in a day.
This is not a recommendation to blockade. This is asking why, given the animosity and the chest-beating, is a blockade never proposed ? If Iran is as big a problem as some say it is ... why is the only proposal an air attack ?
The story told to the public is incomplete at best or a big fat bunch of lies at worst ... and the people scaring up this war are a bunch of known liars.
War is a racket, says General Smedlley Butler ... what is the racket in this one ?
April 3, 2009 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bibi to Iran: Drop Dead.
Iran: Did someone make a noise?
http://www.bibijon.org/iranimage/
April 3, 2009 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are there good and bad holocaust deniers?
Evidently so.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the bad holocaust denier.
Mahmoud Abbas is the good holocaust denier.
Read about Abbas's doctoral dissertation. LINK
What is the difference between the good and bad Mahmoud? It's not their last name. The good holocaust denier submits to US and Israel's will. and is subservient to it, so far. Ahmadinejad does not. Any country that does not submit to the will of the US and Israel is bad - really, really bad.
The issue has little to do with Ahmadinejad's comments on Israel or Iran's nuclear program. It has everything to do with master-slave power politics. Iran refuses to be the slave so it must be put down. War then just becomes another form of lynching.
April 3, 2009 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
The whole holocaust denier thing is ridiculous.
Putin does not believe that that there was a Ukranian famine that killed millions engineered by the Soviets, nor does any Russian official.
The Germans believe that millions of good Germans were victims of genocide when they were expelled from Poland after WW2 for being Nazi supporters.
The Turks believe the Armenians died of the flu.
The Americans have no idea about what happened to the Indian and certainly none about a million Filipinos they murdered after the Spanish-American war.
The Chinese deny that a hundred million innocent Chinese were slaughtered under Mao.
And I deny that Grover Cleveland was both our 22nd and 24th President. That's ridiculous.
April 3, 2009 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do you really believe that, MJ? Surely, having spent so much time in Israel, you must recognize that Ahmedinejad's holocaust denial, his conference on the holocaust, is more than mere posturing, but is a form of psychological warfare intended to de-legitimize the foundation of the Jewish state. Further, at least in the eyes of most Israelis, the willful disregard of the slaughter of Jews provokes a reaction that indeed it can happen again.
I'm all in favor of a different approach to Iran, but doing so should not entail papering over the very real threat it poses, as Obama has acknowledged many times.
April 3, 2009 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Disgusting as post "axis of evil" ahmadinejad's rants are, the Holocaust industry ain't exactly all selfless purity either.
From c-Span:
Mr. Finkelstein talked about his book, Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict, published by Verso Books. In his speech, Mr. Finkelstein argued that while different moral conclusions can be reached using the historical facts surrounding the origins of the Israel-Palestine conflict, the facts themselves are indisputable. He also said that the memory of the Holocaust and the charge of anti-Semitism are widely used to deflect criticism of Israeli policies toward the Palestinians. He discussed the work and views of a number of other scholars, including author Joan Peters, Israeli historian Benny Morris, and Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz. Following prepared remarks, Mr. Finkelstein responded to questions from the audience.
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=181037-1
April 3, 2009 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Huh?
Since when is ignorance the same as denial?
April 3, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you don't google, then you are in denial. Another words, willful ignorance, denial, so-what, yes-but, etc are all the same. It allows repeats of the worst chapters of history.
April 3, 2009 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
AG.
Surely you realise that the psychological warfare between Iran and Israel is mutual.
Should I repost my links & quotes about the non-threat posed by Iran as declared by the former head of Israel's Military Intelligence, Ze'ev Farkash? He's not the first Israeli to poopoo the rhetoric.
I have more faith in the resiliance of the Israelis than you and many others do.
During the run-up to the war on Iraq, the boo-scary tactics twere filling the media along with instructions about gasmasks, safe rooms, anthrax vaccines for 1st responders, etc. Fortunately, there were some wiser heads w/creds who mocked the campaign; citing the real scenario vis a vis the "threat" posed by Saddam's imaginary arsenal.
(In addition, in Dec '02, Sharon had rather derisively declared that Saddam had personally called him when he was FM during Operation Desert Fox to reassure him that Iraq wouldn't be sending any missiles Tel Aviv's way)
In the weeks prior to the onset of the war, Israelis figured out that they were being snookered for political purposes and reacted by outright refusing to follow CD instructions. There was widespread outrage and mockery of the fear tactics being employed on the population.
I was impressed.
The Israeli government is no different than any other in that lying to the citizens is SOP.
The real reason for the Iran as demon scenario is a long-held Israeli policy of absolute military dominance in the region. The declining and emerging ability of other nation-states to challenge that state of affairs is reflected in the designation and subsequent demonization of the enemy du jour. Whether or not said country actually poses a real threat is immaterial.
April 3, 2009 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops - my reply is below. Here's the link to Goldberg, if you're interested.
http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/
April 3, 2009 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I appeciated Lieberman's little speech shredding 12 months of work by Condi Rice and the Turks. I had never thought of his solution: The Syrians give up the Golan and the Israelis don't attack them.
Fair trade? Ity maybe the fairest trade since Czechoslovakia gave up the Sudetenland.
April 3, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You got a lotta brass, fella! Good for you!
And I'm with you on Grover Cleveland -- the very idea is absurd. Reagan once told Tip O'Neil that he'd played Cleveland in a movie, but when it came out that he'd really only played right-handed pitcher Grover Cleveland Alexander, the whole Cleveland myth started to unravel.
April 3, 2009 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs to chat up Bibi and let him know that there are things, in Churchill's words, "...up with which I will not put."
April 3, 2009 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
MJ! I ain't no apologist for some nut and yahoo just because he got to be PM again! I remember him parading around with a mock coffin of Yitzhak Rabin before the latter was indeed assassinated (tough trying to console the widow with a history like that)!
But here, the facts just aren't there. Rosenblatt's right in the link you provided -- the headline doesn't match what he said. Not at all. He's got some first-class nut-and-yahoo advisers, and they said things, and the author even quoted an old book that Bibi didn't even write, but one can't just hang it on the man. This story was sensationalized (read it again with an open mind), and of course the author wants to deny that now. Death before retraction!
April 3, 2009 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have the flu (been home all week). And my mind won't open. I'll re-read after my sini clear.
Mrs. Rabin welcomed Arafat to her apt in Tel Aviv after the assassination but refused to allow Bibi to even shake her hand. She believed he helped lead the incitement against Rabin. He did, of course.
Just as well that she's gone now, rather than have to witness this.
April 3, 2009 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
"And my mind won't open. I'll re-read after my sini clear."
I think you meant "Sinai."
April 3, 2009 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly how would you characterize what Mr. Netanyahu has been saying. Has he not called Iran an existential threat, suicidal maniacs, etc. etc. etc.
I would not charactrize it as "I am 100% behind Obama's diplomacy initiative". I would characterize it as "I will rattle sabers so much, that every one will believe Iran would have to be stupid not to develop a weapon to defend agianst Israel."
Iran's counter move is to ignore Bibi. The more he shouts, and the calmer Iranians' non-response the better.
There are oil rich Caspian nations whose independence can be helped by pipelines through Iran, now that Georgia is out of action.
There is stability to be had in Iraq. There is choking off of drug money from Taliban in Afghanistan. There is Pakistan, and all who could help, e.g. Iran are welcome.
In all of this, there's Iran and a grand bargain with the US. Bibi's only role is hinderance.
April 3, 2009 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Bibi wants the U.S. to really pay attention to pressuring Iran into not developing nukes. (Or if U.S. wants to attack Iran and take out those facilties, fine as well, but No-drama Obama isn't up for that and Bibi knows it.) If I had Bibi's job, I'd do the same thing. He never said he wouldn't cooperate, he says this is a really important issue (to him, his country, and the nutball right wing that is his bread and butter).
Without exaggerating, the headline in the article is just a lie. Truly.
If you look at the article, he also said he was going to move on (i.e., compromise on) the Palestinian issue. (The headline thus could have been, Netanyahu to Betray his People?, but that kind of flagellation is out of fashion in USA and the article's author knows it.) Netanyahu can't give us what we need without clanging around some sabers for right-wing consumption, just can't.
I think he's jonesing for a Nobel at the end of this whole thing -- the reactionary who made the peace, blah-blah.
April 3, 2009 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
"There is choking off of drug money from Taliban in Afghanistan"
Get your facts straight. The Taliban, contrary to popular opinion, outlawed and drastically reduced the production of opium in Afghanistan which was probably one of the reasons for the US invasion - protecting the supply of heroin. Since the USA invasion, opium production has reached record levels.
http://opioids.com/afghanistan/index.html
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April 6, 2009 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Bibi is telling the whole planet to drop dead, because he and those who support the pre-emptive strike on Iran know full well that it will make the global economic crisis much, much worse.
These are sick people.
April 3, 2009 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
What-a-yahoo is a hot air balloon. When he spouts, he spouts hot air until he gets weak and flaccid. When pumps himself full of pomposity he then drifts with the winds. At the moment the prevailing air currents are coming from the death-wish settler maniacs.
America squandered many of its Mideast cards under the incompetent neo-con liars and fools, and now its economic wherewithal for bribing Mideast madmen towards sanity has also diminished, but Obama still has the upper hand. Separate but linked and carefully structured packages of carrots and sticks for the Israelis, the Iranians, and the Palestinians are what will be needed. Time is not on the side of the civilized world here. Once the Iranians get the bomb, it will be a different ballgame.
Meanwhile, however, Israel, even if not led by a yahoo, cannot ultimately stop the Iranians without using its own nukes pre-emptively, which it has always said it would never do. Only the U.S. has the ability to strike a deal with Tehran. The Iranians will be hard pressed to get their economy going again without help from elsewhere, and the US is the biggest ultimate market to backstop such help. The Palestinians cannot get statehood without America pushing for it. After 8 years we have some intelligence in the White House again. Time to use it to brew up a "grand bargain."
Forget Nasty-yahoo's rhetoric. Forget the baboon-rants from Tehran. Forget the aluminum foil and baling wire "rockets" of Hamas. The Obama administration's team -shackled by the settler-worshipping spineless and clueless US Congress or otherwise- is and will be the key.
April 3, 2009 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Love that balloon-themed extended metaphor ! Work it !
April 3, 2009 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could you explain the part about "Once the Iranians get the bomb, it will be a different ballgame."
What exactly is it that Iran would or could do with a bomb that it cannot do right now?
April 3, 2009 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was thinking more of the Israelis. They have had a nuclear monopoly in the Mideast, and have been squandering it foolishly of late pandering to their Warsaw Ghetto nutcases in the miserable West Bank cinder blocks. The window of opportunity for cutting a reasonable deal with moderate Palestinians -a large but not growing segment- is not necessarily going to stay open indefinitely while AIPAC drones talk
'til Kingdom comes about how those Palestinians can have their own state after each and every 4 million of them becomes a saint. Time is not on the side of the majority of Israelis who do not want to die in the hell their settlers are helping create.
As for the Iranians -meaning the ones who have not moved to London, Paris, Maryland or West LA- they would like a little more respect. They are not Arabs, they are not Turks, they have done a lot of other things in the history of the world besides run falafel stands and drive cabs. If they had the A-bomb there would less chance of the Mossad or CIA agents that are assumed to be crouched behind every shrub jumping out to bite them. The next Saddam would be less willing to start a war with them if they could make a mushroom cloud or two. That won't help them become computer programmers, have clean air to breath in their cities, or be able to kiss their girlfriends in a public place, however. They need outside assistance for that. After 30 years of "Death to the Great Satan" chants, they are ready for "let's make a deal." So will be the Palestinians once offered something besides oppression, and the Israelis, once given something beside mindless bootlicking.
April 3, 2009 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the clarification.
Outside help has historically screwed the brave souls inside battling crazies. As far as kissing girlfriends (ah, those were the days) Iran has to survive first, before whatever else its people aspire to. In that regard a latent capacity to go nuclear is sufficient, and that is as far as they are likely to go, if not there already.
April 3, 2009 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not sure, BiBi. There is an asymmetry to jingo-based nukedom. When a latent capacity for internet commerce, displaying talent at flirting, or even exercising creative thinking is squelched, one of those mushroom clouds rising high above can be really cool. If frustration can be released in other ways, however, it may still be possible to keep genies bottled. America's founding fathers gave the first US president Washington a secretary of state and he chose Jefferson for the post. Our current leaders are not quite of that calibre but they still have plenty of Jefferson nickels and Washington quarters to work with (that aren't owned by China).
April 3, 2009 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps the question was too broad.
Iran with or without a bomb has to think about Israeli/US nukes before it crosses any of their non-artificial red lines.
Israel/US have to worry about Iran's capacity to set the region on fire with or without the bomb before they cross any of Iran's legitimate red lines.
I am stumped. How does the bomb change anything other than for the worst for Iran. I mean the loss of face as per NPT obligations, the expense of developing/fielding a credible arsenal and, at the moment of testing the first nuke, effectively painting a big red circle on Tehran which reads "Nuke here!".
Would you elaborate on "Once the Iranians get the bomb, it will be a different ballgame."
April 3, 2009 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
My understanding is that to attack Iran, Israel will have to send a significant air force presence over Iraq.
The U.S. better figure out now how it will respond to waves of Israeli war planes in airspace under our protection, on a mission that the U.S. government has openly discouraged.
April 3, 2009 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
They could go across Saudi Arabia instead, but I tend to doubt the Saudis are ready for that kind of deal. Or the Israelis.
The 1000 ton desert camel in the room here is that bombing Iran wouldn't stop their nuke program (as even the new Israeli PM probably realizes). If the pre-emptive option (ala Iraq 1981 or Syria more recently) were viable against Iran, the Israelis would quite likely have executed it already, while George W. Doormat was busy being walked over by his sharpshooter VP.
April 3, 2009 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fly-over permission has to be granted - in any event no one will believe after the fact that the Americans did not know what has going on.
Fascinating reading in the overseas press about the imminent attack:
1.) Americans are 'naive' as always but will be easily convinced/hornswaggled/lead by the nose
2.) The Americans just need to walk the fine line between being blindsided and having plausible deniability of an attack on Iran
3.) NATO will have to join in the fight after Iran retaliates on the Americans - so that's a done deal. Exercises will include preparations for a smallpox attack
4.) The military and intelligence axes between the US and its ally are just as strong as they have ever been : no impediment there
5.) The US is totally dependent on the intelligence of its ally. Therefore the Americans will come crawling whenever they need something
6.) No differences in policy or thinking have occurred in the US government despite the new faces at the top. The new president will play along
7.) The naivete or faux-naivete of the Americans, as the case may be, will be easily finessed by the superior thinking and maneuvering of its dearest ally
8.) No mention, however, of what the naive dopey easily lead Americans are going to gain from the proposed scheme
So there you are, Americans : lots of excitement coming soon.
April 3, 2009 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
This same recycled hysteria about the "imminent" attack has been circulating for years. One leading neo-con motor-mouths (can't recall for sure which one) was 90+% certain Bush Jr. would do it before leaving office. Guess what? W is only in his sixties, wants a crack at rescuing his mightily less than stellar legacy, and General Jack Ripper of vital bodily fluid fame is not his great hero.
America did not elect Obama so that he could be the SECOND president this decade to rush into a shock and awe cakewalk to remove nonexistent WMD from a foreign country, in a reckless hurry before credible plans could be made let alone alternative approaches considered.
Every time this BarbraAnn mantra resurfaces intelligent people try to explain that the equipment is too dispersed in a large country, bombing them would be of limited use in stopping the nuke development, while serving on silver platter an ideal excuse for continuing and intensifying such nuke development, etc. The snake oil peddlers then disappear for a while to organize a costume change.
Point 9 is missing. The U.S. and Israeli governments go insane when cued to do so by conspiracy theorists.
April 3, 2009 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The whole scheme just reeks of the same old crap we heard last time. Does anyone believe it this time ?
A certain sort of American just loves any occasion for US aircraft to bomb any targets anywhere. Our ally hates the support that Iran gives to its tormentors. The Saudis fear Iran but do not shout about it to the Americans. The oil and gas fields of Iran would be a tasty treat for crude-starved western oil companies. Weapons salesman certainly hate for peace to break out.
So there are powerful supporters for an attack and for a regime change ... as long as the American government takes the blame for it. The story about Iran's alleged nukes (let's call them WMDs) is just being whooped up until they think of a better story.
I wish they would knock off the fake stories now. I did not buy the last one and I am sure not going to buy this one.
Naive bonehead Americans : how do you like being disrespected ?
April 3, 2009 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lally: Of course I recognize the excess of hot air spewed from both sides. So too, I don't doubt that threats are consistently hyped by those on both sides in order to further their own agendas.
What I was responding to was the idea that the holocaust denial may be blown off as more of the same. That's not the way Israelis see it.
Do I think an Iranian attack on Israel is imminent? Of course not, by a longshot. But I can understand and appreciate Israelis' concerns. And, as is pointed out often enough to be a cliche, they can't afford to be wrong. If you have any doubt, take a look at Jeffrey Goldberg's blog today where he collects Ahmedinejad's numerorous hateful statements vowing, in various ways, to see Israel wiped off the map. Pretty astonishing stuff and not so easily dismissed if you're sitting in Tel Aviv, particularly after Iran's client, Hezbollah, recently rained Iranian made rockets on your populations from just across the border and - damn the disastrous consequences for Lebanon - somehow emerged "victorious."
So, I dispute your assertion that Iran's demonization in Israel is primarily the result of the challenge it poses to Israeli military hegemony. I do agree that Israel has long maintained a policy of absolute military dominance, though not for the sake of dominance itself, but to ensure its survival in a region that wishes it did not exist and in some cases actively seeks its destruction.
April 3, 2009 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
AG.
Are you aware of the various and sundry contentions that many of the egregious statements of note were incorrectly translated and misrepresented?
BTW...If you imagine that Hezbollah or any other entity under attack by Israeli missiles, bombs and ground forces won't respond in kind to the best of their ability, you are living in a very peculiar dreamtime.
Of course they fired off missiles and lots more rockets. What the bloody hell else would you expect?
April 3, 2009 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's quite clear that Amedinejad wants the current Israeli system to be destroyed. It's a little less clear whether he wants (a) to remove the Israeli Jews (i.e., genocide) or (b) just remove the Jewish ethnocratic system. A lot of Israel's supporters argue that Amedinejad probably means (a) and, even if he does mean (b), (b) is really equivalent to (a). Some who are sympathetic to Arab/Persian claims that Israel's system is an unjust ethnocrcacy believe that Amedinejad means (b) and that in arguing for the end of the Zionist regime, Amedinejad is simply arguing for the destruction of the Israeli version of apartheid. I don't speak Farsi, so I can't be sure. Another possibility, not often discussed, is that Amedinejad is being purposely ambiguous, so that his statements can be read as (a) by those who want to read them that way, but also explained as (b) when convenient. Again, I don't know Farsi or Amedinejad well enough to know what's correct. But I do think all three possibilities are viable.
April 3, 2009 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
PS.
None of the above is clear to me. ;~{)
What's clear to me are the opinions of ex-heads of the Mossad (Ephraim Halevy), Israel's Military Intelligence (Ze'evi-Farkash) and others that Iran will not attack Israel unless attacked first. Ze'evi Farkash recently told a conference of Israeli security types that Israel's belligerent rhetoric could cause Iran to do so in the future. He urged that Israel be more "humble".
The retired analysts mentioned above aren't as impressed with words as "their" side is just as guilty of talking trash. Since their professional lives have been dedicated to Israel's security, I give them more weight than those pushing for a US attack on Iran.
Interesting that Israel's current chief of staff, Gabi Ashkenazi was "unable" to meet with the top men in charge of our security depts (with one exception) during a recent visit here. According to this American source, it was a shocking turn of affairs and indicates the the new administration is less onboard for an Iranian adventure than the last one was:
"IDF Chief snubbed in Washington - a message to Israel
Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francona U.S. Air Force (Retired) March 25, 2009
The Israel Defense Forces chief of staff, Lieutenant General Gabi Ashkenazi,visited Washington, DC, last week to meet with senior American officials to discuss what Israel believes is the growing Iranian threat to his country. In light of President Obama's attempts to reach out to the mullahs in Tehran - the most recent a Nowruz (Persian new year) video message - the IDF
chief brought new intelligence on Iran's nuclear and missile programs."
snip]
"Press reports described Ashkenazi's reception in Washington as
"extraordinarily cool" - he did not meet with any of the Obama Cabinet, including Secretary of Defense Robert Gates. He also was unable to schedule a meeting with his counterpart, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen. Add to that list Director of National Intelligence Admiral Dennis Blair.
This is almost unheard of. The United States and Israel have close military and intelligence ties. It is quite normal for the IDF chief to meet with defense and intelligence officers. Keep in mind that in Israel, the defense establishment is the senior intelligence authority, making Ashkenazi not only Admiral Mullen's counterpart, but Admiral Blair's as well. Meetings
such as those that did not happen are commonplace, at least they were.
What has changed? Obviously, we have a new administration whose foreign policy is somewhat changed. The unavailability of virtually any senior official is telling."
snip]
"The only meeting with a senior American official was with National Security Advisor General James Jones. However, the meeting was focused on U.S. demands that Israel lift some military restrictions on the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip. Jones was not there to listen to anything about what Israeli
leaders considers an "existential" threat to the Jewish state."
http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=43243
April 3, 2009 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have you read this in today's Haaretz:
From this Israeli reporter he doesn't seem to think that the "Mullen-Ashkenazi axis has cooled. Nor, can he see any signs that the partnership between Jones and Ashkenazi [Ashkenazi being a "...major partner in crucial decisions on military operations in nearby and distant battle zones..."] has changed?
Also, don't you think it was a tad strange with all the heat after the Freeman affair that Ashkenazi wouldn't have maybe rescheduled his visit. Or, that it might have been more prudent to arrange such meetings on more neutral, out of the way turf -- away from the prying eyes of Washington and the press -- as has been the case in the past?
Anyways... thought it was interesting that this should come out after the US had tried to push the story that Ashkenazi had received an all of a sudden 'cool' reception?
h/t: Philip Weiss: Bomb bomb bomb Obama Iran
April 3, 2009 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Amir Oren article's concluding sentence is charmingly blunt:
"Apparently Israel wants Obama to emerge sufficiently strengthened from this week's NATO summit, but still too weak to say no to Israel."
The whole "feel good" article was instructive in that in his efforts to reassure that our two governments are still cuddly 'N cozy, Oren's examples reveal who Israel regards as important advocates of their povs that have been placed in critical positions within the administration; Gary Samore, for example.
Remember this Shmuel Rosner article I excerpeted 2 years ago?:
"Samore is a vice president at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, and his name has been mentioned recently as a candidate for a senior position in the next Democratic administration, if it comes to be."
snip
"Dr. Robert Einhorn, also has difficulty estimating when Iran will be able to produce nuclear weapons. Einhorn, like Samore, dealt with proliferation issues in the Clinton administration and early in the Bush administration. Samore was in the White House and Einhorn in the State Department, where he reached served as assistant to the secretary of state. Today he is a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. He, too, is mentioned as a candidate for a senior post in the next administration if the Democrats win the presidential election in 2008."
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/01/23/hillarys_foreign_policy/
It was my first real "head's up" that the choices of who would fill what positions weren't dependent on which candidate won the election. Steve Rosen's blog, Obama Mideast Monitor, has almost entirely focused on the personnel aspect......
BTW, Robert Einhorn's expected post was filled by Hillary loyalist Rep. Ellen Tauscher. He declined for "personal reasons" but is expected to be named to some advisory role.
So who are the deciders? Unless someone like ex-AIPAC head Tom Dine violates omerta, I doubt we'll ever know the mechanics and their machinations. I would guess that some congress members in key committees are involved.....
April 5, 2009 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: Ahmedinejad.
Funny how in this world it is okay to talk about bombing a country to eliminate one psychopath but no one suggests (or simply does) eliminate the psychopath.
Bush accidentally almost choked to death on a pretzel. One would think this bastard could be quietly pretzeled, slipped a heart attack pill, or fall out of a plane.
Being a good guy, I'd never advocate such things but is there any among us who doesn't wish Hitler had left the world in say 1933 or 1888. Or anytime before his long overdue suicide.
Just saying.
April 3, 2009 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hello MJ -
We have a hard time understanding how that guy, wearing his tan jacket, got elected ... but overall we have a hard time figuring out anything in that country ... for example one-month 'marriages' that are signed off on by one's local clergyman.
I suspect what he says makes sense over there.
We had a president, just now retired, that was absolutely incomprehensible to almost the whole world. Bizarre statements flowed ceaselessly from the man. The world, except for an Australian or two, was baffled and frightened.
I think we need to talk more, not less, with Iran in general. Understanding is always a good thing.
April 3, 2009 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well-said.
April 3, 2009 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Goldberg Syndrome
It renders journalists, and lobbyists, blind …
April 3, 2009 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link. Hardly a surprise that folks who assiduously and cleverly hyped the asinine and blunder-ridden rush to Baghdad in 2003 (at a cost trillions of dollars and massively squandered international opportunities) now proceed to new disinformation campaigns without a trace of backwards-looking shame.
April 3, 2009 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
For those optimistic souls who are buying into the Dow this week, I would urge extreme caution. The ‘elephant in the room’ is already pondering whether to strike at Iran next week or next month and whether to use its secret nuclear warheads or conventional weapons to endeavour to achieve its aim of continued military dominance in the region.
When we awake that terrible morning, I would advise you to sell all your stocks and retire into your fallout shelter, with your ‘45 at the ready. The world will never ever be the same again. ‘Why did we allow it happen?’ will be the cry, and the silent answer will be deafening in its intensity.
April 4, 2009 4:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
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April 4, 2009 8:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
The neo-con plan for a wider Middle Eastern war is I think for Israel to attack Iran and thereby drag the US into the war. A chain of events is to be set up like Sarajevo which leads to a wider more global war. The neo-cons haven't been chastised by having always been proven wrong. David Brooks talks up a great project for the country. Really all the neo-cons have in this department is war and I guess impoverishing people too.
April 4, 2009 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
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