"Seven Jewish Children" -- The Controversy and the Video
Today's Washington Post gave a favorable review to Caryl Churchill's "Seven Jewish Children," which addresses the Holocaust and the Gaza war.
Earlier this week Jeff Goldberg of the Atlantic duked it out with Ari Roth, who heads Theater J, the magnificent Jewish community theater in Washington, which put the play on this week. Goldberg thinks the show is viciously anti-semitic. Roth is ambivalent on that point but believes it should be seen.
In New York, Washington, London, and everywhere else the show has been produced, huge battles erupt. I missed the Washington show but I found it online and am sharing it here.
Decide for yourselves. It is definitely worth watching. Also, read this.
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Today's Washington Post gave a favorable review to Caryl Churchill's "Seven Jewish Children," which addresses the Holocaust and the Gaza war.
The author of the article responds favorably to the theater director's decision to bracket the play with a preliminary speech and post-play audience discussion. But I wouldn't describe the parts of the article that amount to a review of the play itself as favorable:
"Seven Jewish Children" (subtitled "A Play for Gaza") is briefer than your average infomercial and 100 times more provocative. Make no mistake, though, it is a commercial, an effort to compress to black-and-white a question of conscience of infinite complexity.
Because Churchill is such a compelling dramatist -- she's the author of, among other plays, "Top Girls," "Cloud Nine," "A Number" and "Far Away" -- the presentation is literarily seductive. Ultimately, though, it's so reductive that it can be consigned to the category of beautifully crafted cheap shot, an effort to cast a multifaceted conflict as intractably one-sided.
April 1, 2009 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
"In New York, Washington, London, and everywhere else the show has been produced, huge battles erupt."
What kind of battles have erupted?
April 1, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The usual battles that ensue whenever anyone challenges the line.
Read. Learn.
http://news.google.com/news?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=%22Seven+Jewish+Children%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=T5_TSfPQONrrnQeC3czkBQ&sa=X&oi=news_group&resnum=1&ct=title
April 1, 2009 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Move to strike as non-responsive, lacking of foundation and otherwise prejudicial. You cite to google? Again
April 1, 2009 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Should be, Again, what battles have erupted?
April 1, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bslev, remember what you wrote to Mythbuster yesterday? Apply it to yourself, from me.
April 1, 2009 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except that I have asked you a polite question, and you have chosen to not respond or are unable to. There's a difference MJ between my query and Mythbuster's incessant name-calling. But, if you choose not to respond to me, that is your choice, and I shall respect your wishes and query no more.
April 1, 2009 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
The highest praise, MJ, the highest praise!
April 1, 2009 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed.
Bslev is a tad self-important for these parts. I don 't notice you whining when other posters cross some invisible line.
Bslev and Art worry (and worry and worry) that something I write will give the world the impression that the lobby (the one that doesn't exist) prevents debate on this issue.
But everyone knows that. If they didn't, I'd certainly shout t from the rooftops. To those who say "but MJ shoots his mouth off and nothing happens to him," I respond: "I'm 60. I am financially secure. I do not need to get another job. If I were 40, I'd keep my mouth shut." I'm no hero. And I'm not suicidal.
Critcize Israeli policies in this town (Washigton) and you will be Freemanized in a New York minute. Same applies to journalists. If you are smart, you keep your mouth shut.
April 1, 2009 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, go ahead and kick ban him for being nasty to the teacher's pet. BTW, is the teacher's pet you under a different ID. The small davai thing yesterday makes me wonder. You've previously explained to me in your comments, some directed to me, that everything you publish is right and correct;your errors which you admit to, never see the light of publication. I understand that. You also, and again against what seem to be the rules of TPM Café, have an open agenda that you always push. Again fine, and Josh seems to fully agree with you. I just wish that both of you could be clearer about your ultimate view of the MidEast and where the 5 mil or so Israeli's should go.
April 1, 2009 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The seven million Israelis will live happily and securely within the '67 lines, with some modifications made whole with land swaps.
As for Bruce, I can't ban him and I wouldn't. But I don't have to engage him. I don't have much to say to extremely parochial people (blame my family, it is very mixed).
April 1, 2009 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
That'd be a wonderful outcome, but what about the contiguous Palestinian state. Nation states should be contiguous. The few experiments I can recall, other than the US have not gone well. And Alaska is a place unto itself that has an active secessionist movement.
Why can't you ban Bruce? Or maybe more to the point, why can't Josh? I can see why you might not want to, but why can't it happen? That's an honest question from a curious reader. And I fully agree, you don't have to engage him. It's your game and your rules. Witness MythBuster.
April 1, 2009 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
He doesn't violate the groundrules. He does not call names or make up quotes or lie. I just find him annoying and incredibly chauvinistic in his thinking. But that is just my opinion.
April 1, 2009 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Having finally read the text of the piece, I have to wonder about the sanity of all of you: Bruce, MJ, Ari, and Jeff. It's sophomoric trash in my eyes, the sort of thing a smartass high schooler would create to tweak his or her teachers and parents. Nothing too deep there. And certainly not worth the fuss. Perform it by all means; ignore it by all means if you wish. Scary how a title can start a fire. And scary how two sides can see so deeply and so separately into something so simple. Both sides have an agenda and all they can see is the agenda. As long as agendas are so all important no reconciliation is possible. That's true in the real world as well as in the mostly fantasy I/P world.
April 2, 2009 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
lacking of foundation and otherwise prejudicial
Hey, is that lawyerese for "hyperbole"? :-)
April 1, 2009 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is lawyerese but it fits. MJ has claimed that there are battles erupting. But he has no basis for saying that. This play has sparked emotions, and that is what, in the best light, it is supposed to be doing. But there have been no battles erupting. The play continues all over, without boycott or violence, and what more should one ask from the Jewish community? One has to ask why he writes this way.
April 1, 2009 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
One has to ask why he writes this way.
Mho, from reading his work here for quite some time, and some of his work elsewhere, is that hyperbole is one of his favorite things as a writer, but that when he works with an editor, they strip it out. And that sometimes he strips it out himself by editing his own posts after the fact. Also he seems to like agitprop and lobbying function of writing over any other function, and he admires skillful propagandists, to the point of jealous anger at and frustration with those of opposing views who do it well.
April 1, 2009 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
And he can bash me all he wants for saying that, but it won't do any good, because he's out there publishing in public under his own name, and the deal with that whole thing is that you have to deal with what readers think of your work and how they interpret it. And I suspect there are a lot of others who read his work just like I do.
April 1, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. Pretty much.
April 1, 2009 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good grief, Bruce, I don't think anyone reading that would have thought he meant literal bloodshed. He meant lots of emotion and unpleasantness and probably accusations of antisemitism and so forth, or that's how I interpreted it (I didn't click on the links and so I don't know how much actual unpleasantness has ensued.)
April 1, 2009 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think that he meant literal bloodshed either, but the fact is that there has been nothing but discussion, and sometimes passionate discussion, which was purportedly the goal of the writer. To say that bloodshed was not implied is, respectfully, a red herring. I think that MJ wrote what he wrote to stir shit, when it need not be stirred. That's my opinion, Rosenberg has disinvited my participation, it's his thread and I will of course honor his request, and everyone will be fine.
In the interim, you should read Goldberg's colloquy with Ari Roth; it's penetrating, serious, respectful, soul-searching, and everything you would want in the kind of serious discussion that MJ Rosenberg claims people never have. Goldberg posted the colloquy on his website, and I think that was a good thing to do. Regards.
Bruce
April 1, 2009 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bruce - I'm sorry but I think you are over reacting to MJ's use of the term "battles". When I read it, I took it as the usual verbal combat between pro-Israel and anti-Israel advocates. I think you will agree that the play has generated controversy both in the MSM and Blogs.
That being said, I have noticed of late you are very quick to criticize any comments you feel are derogatory to Israel and Jews. Nothing wrong with that even though I do not attibute maliciousness to the authors of SOME of those commentators. But your comments seem to have become limited to that one area concerning Israel and Palestine. Things seem to be deteriorating in Israel with Lieberman's comments about ignoring commitments made an Annapolis and Netanyahu's comments about Iran. It seems to me those issues are of greater concern.
I have heard that Likud ministers have told people in Ma'ale Adumim that the E-1 building will start soon. That makes a peace agreement even harder to reach and puts Israel in direct confrontation with the US. I think one reason you are seeing a shift in US and world attitudes towards Israel is everyone realizes this occupation has gone on for 42 YEARS and that is TOO LONG. The only occupation to rival it is Tibet.
Obviously it's not all Israel's fault but the massive disparity in military and economic power between the two parties put's the onus on Israel to lead the way and make it happen. Do we expect Tibet to be the major party to end it's occupation? If there is no peace agreement and Bibi tries to annhilate Hamas and bonbs Iran, all Hell will break loose in the Mideast and we may both find living even in the US to be very uncomfortable. That's not right, but we have made Israel the central symbol of our faith and I think that is where we have gone wrong.
April 1, 2009 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
With all due respect, if you want to criticize the focus of my writing send me an e-mail. I've identified myself. In this post, I asked MJ Rosenberg a question. He chose not to answer it. If your focus is different than mine, that's cool; go for it dude. Luck to you.
April 1, 2009 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two Jews go into a bar.
Before they even sit down, one remarks, "You know, some people consider the way this joke begins anti-Semitic. Huge battles erupt wherever it's told."
The second replies, "I dunno. Seems more like a normal, reasonable amount of controversy to me."
"No no, I looked it up on the Net. Here's the link, nitwit."
"Do I look like I'm lugging around a computer, asshole?"
A huge battle erupts.
Both men are barred from the bar and angrily go their separate ways, their friendship of 35 years in tatters. (To make their misery complete, when they get home, their spouses berate both of them for something totally unrelated to this story.)
"Jeez," both men sigh. "I wish I'd at least had that drink before opening my mouth."
Don't go to bed mad, guys.
April 1, 2009 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bruce, take a few days off. Walk up a mountain somewhere, Reread Middlemarch. Spend a week fixing up an old house. Don't read MJ.
April 1, 2009 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Ultimately, though, it's so reductive that it can be consigned to the category of beautifully crafted cheap shot, an effort to cast a multifaceted conflict as intractably one-sided."
Sounds like much of the discussion around here.
April 1, 2009 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
One American Child:
Tell her Obama never supported an attack on Iran.
But he must have.
Tell her he didn't know. Tell her Petraeus and Dennis Ross betrayed his trust.
Don't tell her that. Tell her about the secret war funding and support from Congress.
Don't tell her that. Tell her Obama didn't know that the army gave Israel flyover rights over Iraq.
She's already read the blogs.
Tell her Obama doesn't read the blogs. Tell her to get her news from the television and the NY Times.
And how do we explain the soldiers in the streets?
Tell her they are only keeping us safe. Tell her the Iranians want to keep hurting us, because they are religious fanatics. Tell her the soldiers will leave when we know there will be no more terrorist attacks from the Af-Pak-Iran Triangle of Jihado-fascism.
She won't buy it. How do we explain the Martial Law?
Tell her the President had no choice. The surviving Iranians hate our former way of life, and think Obama helped Israel attack Iran. Tell her when the bankers plan starts to work next year as expected, and the terrorists are defeated, the Constitution will be re-approved. Tell her Secretary Geithner estimate it will be about 22 months.
April 1, 2009 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm... This could be a possible storyline of Vendetta II?
April 1, 2009 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
All of this pouting about MJ's style and use of the word "battles" aside for the moment, I thought that this description of attendance of the play might...um.....be interesting to TPMCafe denizens since it includes the reaction of another (more stylistically acceptable) regular Cafe contributor who was in attendance:
"This evening I attended a reading of British Playwright Caryl Churchill's ten-minute performance piece, Seven Jewish Children; A Play for Gaza. Had the play been written by an Israel, nobody would have batted an eyelash. But because the playwright is famous, and a leftwing British 'shikse' (I assume), she was pilloried by the Zionists and the play labeled antisemitic, etc., when produced at the Royal Court theater in London.
The reading was co-sponsored by Theater J, the DC JCC's resident theater company, and, was performed on the same night as a New York production. Kudos to its artistic director, Ari Roth, for having the courage to do it, although I am told that politically, his position as artistic director is safe. I had to cross a picket line of the usual Zealots to see the play. Once inside, most of the audience was the predictable Brit Tzedek ve-Shalom crowd -- generally supportive of the play, though a few were a bit uncomfortable.
Roth was keen on artistic balance, and so after the reading of the Churchill play, two "reactions" by British-Israeli and American-Jewish performance artists were read by the actors. Since these reactions imitated Churchill's piece, they came off as much weaker dramatically. Then the audience was given a chance to respond. Then Amitai Etzioni, the GW professor, and a self-described member of the Palmach generation, was given the floor. He lambasted the play as propaganda, and said that Israelis and Palestinians have to look forward, not backwards.
Etzioni, poor fellow, inadvertently provided the dramatic high-point of the evening, when he misquoted a line from the play as "Tell her that we killed the babies deliberately." (The actual line was: "Tell her that we killed the babies by accident.") In fact, this typified the reaction of not only people who did not hear the play, but people who heard what they wanted to hear, and not what the playwright wrote.
Why did the audience react as positively as it did? After all, it is not uncommon for the Brit Tzedek ve-Shalom crowd to display the typical ambivalence of the American Zionist left. I think that the recent reports of civilian abuse by soldiers in Gaza were fresh in the audience's minds, and they were not in the mood to hear calls for balance and context."
http://themagneszionist.blogspot.com/
Professor Etzioni would, stylistically, be much more comforting and familiar to those who care so deeply about such things. Would it matter that he railed about "propaganda" and was so verklempt that he actually misquoted the dialogue to illustrate his points? I wonder.
I've spent so much time on related blogs and more to the point, reading the Israeli media Op Eds that I find all this sniffing about MJ's style to be silly and overwrought. Hyperbole is more common than not and some Israelis such as the acerbic Yoel Marcus and Ynet's satirist B. Michael have raised it to an art form.
By all means, avoid them and MJ, at all costs if hyperbole gives one the vapors. Of course, hyperbole from the fingers of those who use it within a post that conforms to the more comfortable and familiar academic/thinktank style will often get a pass.
Apparently, some bullshit just smells better depending on the source.
April 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Lally. The ones who complain are invariably the people who believe that these issues should not be discussed in the open. And that is how the bad guys maintain their control.
As Dr. Evil aka Steve Rosen said:
"A lobby is a nightflower
It thrives in the dark
And dies in the sun."
We are the flashlights. At least we aspire to be.
April 2, 2009 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love Churchill's _Cloud Nine_, which I've taught several times in my classes. If she writes a carelessly PC anti-Israel play that's fine; she's earned the right with her other work. What's funny is that anyone thinks her little play-ette matters. The Israel lobby is not the most powerful lobby on Israel, since Jews make up such a small percentage of the population, even given disproportionate wealth. The real drivers of the Israel-is-never-wrong mentality are Evangelical Christians, who, like the settlers, believe that Israel belongs to the Jews because God said so (and never took it back). Any attempt to change U.S. policy towards Israel needs to address these folks, and they've never heard of Caryl Churchill.
April 2, 2009 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Moving away from the internecine sparring in the previous comments, I'd like to throw somethign different out there. Inspired by Goldberg's comments and a half-talent for spoof, I wrote "Seven Muslim Children" in the same style, with the same degree of carelessness in imputing causation and motivation that Churchill showed.
It's posted at http://www.bluetruth.net/2009/04/seven-muslim-children.html.
Comments welcome.
April 12, 2009 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink