Big and Small
Yesterday, Treasury Secretary Geithner presented an outline of his approach to regulating the financial system. The four pillars of that approach seem to be:
- Increased power and regulatory centralization to deal with the problem of systemic risk
- Increased protections for consumers and investors buying financial products
- Closing regulatory gaps by shifting that organizes regulation based on financial functions, not types of financial institutions
- International coordination among regulators
This all sounds good to me, and an improvement over where we are today. But reading Geithner's discussion of systemic risk - the topic he focused on yesterday - I kept thinking it had been too long since he read Frog and Toad to his children.
The section on systemic risk reads like this (emphasis added, feel free to skim):
To ensure appropriate focus and accountability for financial stability we need to establish a single entity with responsibility for consolidated supervision of systemically important firms and for systemically important payment and settlement systems and activities.. . . [W]e must create higher standards for all systemically important financial firms regardless of whether they own a depository institution, to account for the risk that the distress or failure of such a firm could impose on the financial system and the economy. We will work with Congress to enact legislation that defines the characteristics of covered firms, sets objectives and principles for their oversight, and assigns responsibility for regulating these firms.
In identifying systemically important firms, we believe that the characteristics to be considered should include: the financial system's interdependence with the firm, the firm's size, leverage (including off-balance sheet exposures), and degree of reliance on short-term funding, and the importance of the firm as a source of credit for households, businesses, and governments and as a source of liquidity for the financial system.
Given the existence of "systemically important firms," I agree they need careful regulation. But why does Geithner assume that they have to exist at all?
There are a few main things that made companies like AIG and Citigroup systematically important. One was interconnectedness: they did business with lots of counterparties. One was complexity: when push came to shove, the regulators were not able to assess the potential damage a failure could cause, and therefore erred on the side of bailing them out. But the big one was size, and this is why we call it Too Big To Fail. The companies in question were so big, and had so many liabilities, that they could cause a lot of damage if they suddenly defaulted on those liabilities.
Interconnectedness is not going to go away. Complexity may not go away completely, but increased supervision could give regulators a better grasp on complexity. For example, all firms could be required to provide detailed information about their positions to regulators, in a standardized format, so that it could be imported into aggregate computer models; data about positions would be kept only by the regulator and not made public. Complexity could also be reduced by limiting the number of businesses an institution is allowed to engage in (like under Glass-Steagall, but updated for today's world). But size can definitely go away, simply by setting a cap on the volume of assets any institution is allowed to hold (and doing something about off-balance sheet entities). And if a highly interconnected, highly complex but small financial institution fails, the system as a whole would be fine.
What would such a world look like? There would be a lot of small- and medium-sized banks that collected deposits and lent money to households and businesses. There would be brokerage and asset management firms that you used to invest your savings. There would be hedge funds and private equity firms that rich people and other institutional investors used to invest their money. There would be investment banks that helped companies issue equity and debt securities. There would be boutique firms that did research and other boutiques that M&A advising. For any financial service anyone wanted, there would be a company that provided that service; it just wouldn't necessarily provide every other service, and it wouldn't have $2 trillion in assets. It would look something like the 1970s.
What's wrong with this picture? Some people would argue that it would limit financial innovation. But there is no correlation (or a negative one) between the size of a firm and its degree of innovation. Nor do you need to operate a financial supermarket to innovate: mortgage-backed securities were pioneered by Salomon Brothers, an investment bank under the old definition. Finally, perhaps we could use a little less innovation.
Some would argue that costs would be higher, because smaller firms would be less able to capture economies of scale and scope. First, casual empiricism debunks this theory immediately. When I got my mortgage on my house, I got a much lower rate at a small community bank (which holds onto its mortgages rather than reselling them) than at any national bank. National banks also typically offer the lowest rates to savings customers, except when they are about to fail and desperately need cash from depositors. Second, even if this were the case, perhaps slightly higher costs are a price worth paying for reduced systemic risk.
Basically, this is the issue that Ronald Coase discussed in "The Nature of the Firm" (Wikipedia summary; paper). A firm's optimal size is reached when the transaction costs of doing business in the market equal the administrative costs of managing the firm; the bigger the firm, the higher the administrative costs. Clearly some financial institutions reached a level of scale and complexity where they simply could not even understand what they were doing, let alone manage their risks appropriately; they were too big, looked at just from their own perspective (and excluding the implicit Too Big To Fail subsidy). To this equation, we now need to add the social costs (negative externalities) of being Too Big To Fail: moral hazard, socialized losses, and so on.
To some people, the idea of size caps will seem anti-capitalist (or even un-American). However, that viewpoint is based on a misunderstanding of what the modern large corporation actually looks like. In the United States, supposedly the most dynamic capitalist economy in the world, our corporations are run almost exclusively as giant bureaucracies with a rigidly hierarchical decision-making structure. When I was in the business world, I saw several of these entities from the inside or up close, and they are identical: there's barely a trace of the free market to be found. Even in the technology industry, the biggest companies, like Cisco and Oracle, expand by buying innovation from startup companies where the innovating actually happens. (Some large technology companies expand by copying innovations made by startup companies, but that's another subject.)
Geithner's testimony yesterday did contain at least one important insight:
In general, the design and degree of conservatism of the prudential requirements applicable to such firms should take into account the inherent inability of regulators to predict future outcomes.
When you are designing regulation, you have to bear in mind that the world will change. But this is another reason why simpler is better, and the simplest solution is simply to prevent firms from becoming Too Big To Fail in the first place. First, you have to expect that no matter how clever your regulatory scheme, some firms will be even more clever in finding ways to evade the system and blow themselves up. You are far better off if they are small when they blow up than if they are big.
Second, one of the "future outcomes" you have to protect against is that the firms being regulated will try to change the regulations. So one prerequisite to a successful regulatory structure is limiting the political power of the firms being regulated. This is, ultimately, the most important reason why smaller is better.
Update: Paul Krugman says something similar in his op-ed today:
America emerged from the Great Depression with a tightly regulated banking system, which made finance a staid, even boring business. Banks attracted depositors by providing convenient branch locations and maybe a free toaster or two; they used the money thus attracted to make loans, and that was that.And the financial system wasn't just boring. It was also, by today's standards, small. Even during the "go-go years," the bull market of the 1960s, finance and insurance together accounted for less than 4 percent of G.D.P. The relative unimportance of finance was reflected in the list of stocks making up the Dow Jones Industrial Average, which until 1982 contained not a single financial company.
It all sounds primitive by today's standards. Yet that boring, primitive financial system serviced an economy that doubled living standards over the course of a generation.





















The companies in question were so big, and had so many liabilities, that they could cause a lot of damage if they suddenly defaulted on those liabilities.
I'm getting awfully tired of this academic conventional wisdom.
1) How much "damage" (wind, flood, fire, a collapsed quiche?) would their defaults "cause"?
2) Why wouldn't a lender of last resort be able to adequately limit this "damage"?
All we get are metaphors. How about some facts and figures.
March 27, 2009 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the real problem with the current crisis - no one knows how much, to whom, where or how the damage was caused. Instead of admitting that no one understands what is going on because no one has any apprehension of the costs and apparently no one wants it, we are on the receiving end of endless pontifications on how best to repair a system which may or may not be broken.
March 27, 2009 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama gets an F on "transparency" on this. Whatever arguments were made to or by Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke last summer/fall, along with their notes suitably but only modestly redacted to protect private parties, should be part of the public record. And a select Congressional committee should be seeing the full story if it hasn't already.
Yes, the horses are out of the barn already, but that doesn't mean political forensics should be tossed out with the bathwater...
March 27, 2009 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am for smaller banks, and separation of functions. From the consumer side, I think that model offers everything we need. As a practical matter, I think it only creates one constraint -- it will limit the number of multi-million-dollar salaries in the financial universe. Boo hoo.
-- ARG
March 27, 2009 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is a stark contradiction that in a capitalist system a privately owned corporation cannot fail, and can just stay in business forever at taxpayers expense.
Any bank 'too big to fail' is too big to exist, we need to slice up tadpoles that start turning into frogs.
I also suspect an ounce of 'receivership', bankruptcy, and criminal investigation for fraud, is worth a pound of regulations.
March 27, 2009 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
And all we're getting is the kabuki theater presided over by Barney "Congressman; You've Got Five Minutes" Frank.
March 27, 2009 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where's Ferdinand Pecora when we need him?
March 27, 2009 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
You might also like to ask "what ever happened to Elizabeth Warren, Congressional TARP Overseer?"
I went to find the answer on her government website. I didn't come away too excited. The last hearing, March 19, was on "Lessons from the Banking Crises of the 20th Century."
March 27, 2009 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
curses, I see I failed at html typing again; the link:
http://cop.senate.gov/
March 27, 2009 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seems to me that AIG qualified as too big in that its failure would have had a wide-ranging negative affect on many global economies, an event which would of course come back to bite us in the ass eventually.
AIG had a $450 billion obligation should a large number of its global contracts insuring bonds have to be met as the result of the bond issuers defaulting. It had access to about $100 billion. (Because it had written credit default swaps on mortgaged backed securities, it was in big trouble when that market went south.)
March 27, 2009 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the first place (and I think you've implied this) the "bond issuers" that AIGFP's CDSs were issued against didn't (and still haven't?) defaulted.
In the second place AIG's problem was the lowering of its credit rating by the rating agencies; per contracts the lowered credit rating required AIG to put up additional collateral it didn't have.
So ---
Suppose AIG had gone bankrupt and hadn't put up the collateral, what would have happened? And whatever it would have been, would it have been as "negative" as handing a bunch of speculators $185 billion of taxpayer money?
It's simply not good enough to say "of course" some sort of "wide-ranging negative effect" would happen "eventually." You're punting.
March 27, 2009 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent comment, Ellen.
Have you thought about a blog post(s) on these issues?
March 27, 2009 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've only got a very hazy idea of the doomsday scenario everyone is scared of but can't describe. Something tells me that somehow the Bond Market would blow up and somehow Money Market Funds would lose half their value.
I have no facts or stats to back all this up, but in my convo's with my Wall Street friends, that seems to be what they're afraid of.
March 27, 2009 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW - I'm sure you know this, and I'm just catching up... Still seems scary to me. Wish there was a way around it. But it seems that if the bond traders got pissed, they could clusterf#ck everything until 2012 to ensure Obama's defeat.
March 27, 2009 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course no one knows what would happen if we just let all these financial institutions go bankrupt. Certainly there'd be some negative effect on the economy, but it could be a much smaller and less enduring effect than the conventional wisdom states. Or it could be an unmitigated disaster. The problem is, no politician is going to roll those dice and see what happens. Instead, politicians are going to look for less risky solutions (but more costly to the taxpayers) such as the Paulson and Geithner plans and hope they can manage the economy to a relatively soft landing. There's risk there too, of course (we may still crash hard), but at least making the attempt to manage our way out of the problem has the appearance of prudence.
As far as the size of these financial institutions goes, Ellen may be right that they're really not too big to fail despite what conventional wisdom claims. But they are apparently too big for politicians to permit them to fail. Which means even if smaller financial institutions aren't necessary for economic reasons, they are necessary for political reasons. Personally, I think there are also economic reasons for keeping financial institutions much smaller than they have been. But the fact that institutions can be politically too big to fail regardless of whether they are realy economically too big to fail makes reducing the size of financial institutions desirable.
March 28, 2009 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well said.
The idea that these politically TBTF financial institutions are turning the U.S. of A. into a kleptocracy of oligopolist dominated government is beginning to get some traction in the MSM.
See, Simon Johnson in The Atlantic and Desmond Lachman in The Washington Post.
March 28, 2009 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose, I guess . . . As Charles Dicken's wrote about our country in 1842:
Another prominent feature is the love of ‘smart’ dealing: which gilds over many a swindle and gross breach of trust; many a defalcation, public and private; and enables many a knave to hold his head up with the best, who well deserves a halter; though it has not been without its retributive operation, for this smartness has done more in a few years to impair the public credit, and to cripple the public resources, than dull honesty, however rash, could have effected in a century. The merits of a broken speculation, or a bankruptcy, or of a successful scoundrel, are not gauged by its or his observance of the golden rule, ‘Do as you would be done by,’ but are considered with reference to their smartness. I recollect, on both occasions of our passing that ill-fated Cairo on the Mississippi, remarking on the bad effects such gross deceits must have when they exploded, in generating a want of confidence abroad, and discouraging foreign investment: but I was given to understand that this was a very smart scheme by which a deal of money had been made: and that its smartest feature was, that they forgot these things abroad, in a very short time, and speculated again, as freely as ever. The following dialogue I have held a hundred times: ‘Is it not a very disgraceful circumstance that such a man as So-and-so should be acquiring a large property by the most infamous and odious means, and notwithstanding all the crimes of which he has been guilty, should be tolerated and abetted by your Citizens? He is a public nuisance, is he not?’ ‘Yes, sir.’ ‘A convicted liar?’ ‘Yes, sir.’ ‘He has been kicked, and cuffed, and caned?’ ‘Yes, sir.’ ‘And he is utterly dishonourable, debased, and profligate?’ ‘Yes, sir.’ ‘In the name of wonder, then, what is his merit?’ ‘Well, sir, he is a smart man.’
March 28, 2009 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
‘Well, sir, he is a smart man.’
Is that what Obama meant by "smart government"??
Yikes! Maybe I don't favor smart government after all...
March 28, 2009 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Noble,
I'm with you, I find it hard to believe that no laws were broken during this period of unbridled avarice.
March 27, 2009 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Under this plan, a company can see itself defined as a systemic risk and then tolerate the regulation and oversight with the associated costs OR deliberately downsize so they are not defined as a systemic risk.
Any reason that you see this only one way?
March 27, 2009 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"But why does Geithner assume that they have to exist at all?"
Exactly. Why not design the system to tax or otherwise burden what I will call Overgrowth, the excessive consolidation of power (assets and liabilities of any kind), sufficiently to keep it well under a significant level?
Also, even if a system is okay enough moral failures can cause trouble. We should not lose sight of the gambling and crooked behaviors which abused the system from almost all sides (regulatory, borrower, broker, investor).
March 27, 2009 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, from Kwak's linked article:
"For example, when Citigroup merged with Travelers in 1998, there was this thing called the Glass-Steagall Act, which prohibited mergers between banks and insurance companies."
This was a moral failure of regulation. The merger should have been blasted instead of being facilitated until the law was changed.
Donaldson's move to allow pseudo-monitored super-leverage was a moral failure (actually a criminally immoral act). It amounted to treason in its intent as well as its outcome.
Allowing Freddie and Frannie to grow huge was another regulatory/policy moral failure.
March 27, 2009 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
They say the devil is in the details. I'm beginning to think the devil sometimes is the details. So I'm not so mad about the lack of transparency. I for one, don't have to see how sausage is made. Especially with the bunch of weenies we have in Congress thinking they are qualified to oversee grinding. But when all is said and done, I want my damn sausage! Just get er done!
March 27, 2009 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
An interesting question: "Should firms of systemic risk size exist?"
A more pertinent question: "Do firms of systemic risk size exist?"
I submit that they don't and that those who argue otherwise tend to be the executives of said institution who would like to avoid bankruptcy court or receivership by accessing taxpayer dollars.
We've been taken for a ride.
March 27, 2009 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
That may be, but are you against putting limits on such as Citi and AIG, size-wise?
March 27, 2009 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Do" is an excellent reality-based question, but as Nietzsche would say, "What's this reality nonsense. It's all in one's perspective."
When Geithner sat down with the Five Families at the NYFRB, they told him that AIG was too big to fail. Geithner and Lloyd Blankfein told Paulson and Bernanke, and the rest is history.
TBTF financial institutions are the only ones who might know if they're TBTF, and they have a self-interest (taxpayer bailouts) in describing themselves that way. And they're always so self-confident when they pronounce upon their importance -- Masters of the Universe and Kings of the World (and on the cover of Time to boot) dontcha know.
March 27, 2009 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if the Hank Paulson original version of TARP was written for him and presented to him by Goldman et al. Did PIMCO make its price inflation "rescue" suggestion before or after TARP went public?
What has Geithner considered besides his "price discovery via value masking inflation" plan, and why has he rejected the alternatives? "nationalization" has too many meanings these days... it is used as a grab-bag pseudo-alternative to The Plan to keep people from thinking about real other options.
March 28, 2009 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed, assuming (as Ellen and others point out) that AIG and perhaps other banks are in fact "too big to fail", the obvious cure is to make them smaller (by breaking them up, trust-busting style).
Those with a vested interest in keeping the large mega-firms "mega" sized argue that they are "more efficient" this way. As you note, this is most likely nonsense. But even if true, "so what?" Buildings and automobiles could be "more efficient" if we built them without firebreaks (buildings) and firewalls (cars), but for safety reasons, codes—regulations, in other words—require that the fire deflection/suppression systems exist.
Similarly, "firebreaks" in the financial system need to exist.
March 28, 2009 5:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I strongly recommend Simon Johnson's article in The Atlantic, which Josh linked to on the mothership, and to which James Kwak also contributed:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice
This piece very clearly lays out what you (ct) and I have been feeling for weeks now should be done, along with the implications of not doing it.
The banks need to be allowed to fail, through the FDIC, then they need to be broken down into much smaller firms, and the grip of the oligarchs on our economy and our democracy needs to be broken.
(All this from that far-left-winger, Simon Johnson!)
-- ARG
March 28, 2009 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link. May 2009!~?
Anyway, it was a pretty good review with only a few stumbles as I read it. He's wrong about the chicken and egg on the economy, we don't need banks lending tons in order for the economy to become sound. So he's still thinking as if economic growth is necessary to the economy, the primary drive and fallacy of much of decades of capitalistic thinking. Easy lending does help generate the appearance of growth, but easy lending is also what killed real growth. Correct sound lending is what is needed.
This is not to abuse capitalism, btw. It just happens to be an historical fact which is relevant to finding our way forward now.
March 28, 2009 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
And via RedSoxIn2009Baby!, the New York Times follows the money, here.
Amazing how they get so much for so little.
March 28, 2009 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw that The Atlantic article the other day. I have been arguing for breaking up mega-banks for many months now, though. Basically ever since I heard the label "too big to fail". "Too big to fail" should be applicable to only one thing: the government. If you want to be a private business, you must be willing to take failure as an option.
March 28, 2009 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
The kicker is that the threshhold of "too big to fail" is also "big enough to get around regulations you don't like" either by some kind of arbitrage trick (an office in a country with different laws or less-experienced overseers) or by buying new regulation.
So what you need is some kind of private-sector group with a monetary incentive to keep risk-takers honest (for some value of "honest"). Make it a rule that everything that walks, talks or quacks like a security has to be registered with them, give them the biggest, baddest computers you can find, and pay them bounties for figuring out the conditions under which the security might fail. Big ones, like 10% of the difference between the reserve they determine is necessary for safety and the reserve the company has actually put in place.
March 30, 2009 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink