Weeping Neocons: How Did This Happen to Us?
No comment from me necessary, except this: enjoy your weekend neocons; this is precisely why you wanted Obama to lose.
And to think that a week ago they were celebrating their victory in the Chas Freeman fight. As I predicted, that victory will amount to nothing. The neos shot their wad over a post few of us had ever heard of before. And today this.
What to do when their entire worldview hangs on a war with Iran to top off the Iraq war. Believe me, they are sweating bricks. Obama is the guy they feared he was, the guy we hoped he was.
Check out the outstanding Iranian-American scholar Trita Parsi on Obama's historic message to Iran.
Plus Glenn Greenwald's typically brilliant take.
And then,, a whole nother thing, Shimon Peres demonstrates the art of patronizing in his own lecture to Iran.
And why would the Times couple the two messages like this? What are their editors thinking?




















One good speech is not going to undo six decades of stupidities and blunders in U.S. policy towards Iran. Obama's remarks display a diplomatic competency light years away from the arrogant myopic crookedness of Cheney and Rumsfeld, but this is one small positive step on a very long road. The best thing any Israeli could do, in this respect among many others, would be to keep his or her mouth shut, but Peres' remarks are far from the worst imaginable and will probably make little difference one way or the other.
That said, thanks for following and reporting on this, MJ. If nothing else, it is indeed a refreshing contrast to the never-ending stenching hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy of the neo-con windbags.
March 20, 2009 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, it's a start. And it's driving the neocons nuts. They were so busy celebrating over Chas Freeman that they didn't see this coming.
March 20, 2009 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, M.J., for keeping up this barrage of brickbats hurled at those odious tricksters ...
The tricksters are not going to be punished for what they did to our Republic so they must be maligned, nonstop, forever.
March 20, 2009 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
MJ thanks for pointing out the obvious question. Why did the NY Times juxtapose Obama's statement along side Perez's? Perez used his oppotunity to try to destabilize the Iranian government, Obama used his to try to move forward towards an accomodation.
March 20, 2009 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Should the NY Times not have reported that Peres made a statement? The Times role isn't to act as a branch of the White House communications office. It looks like Israel made a statement of their own in an intentional effort to dilute Obama's message. That's unfortunate. And unfortunately, the Times has an obligation to report it. They also reported a European diplomat's dismayed responds to the Israeli statement. The account seems fairly balanced to me.
March 20, 2009 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The juxtaposition was ridiculous. Peres's statement was of no significance whatsoever.
It's like "Brazil Wins World Cup; Scranton Junior Soccer Wins County Division."
March 20, 2009 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ouch.
March 21, 2009 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really liked Obama's message. I think it was respectively delivered, it recognizes the government in Tehran for the first time since the revolution, pays homage to their long and storied culture, while making clear we expect Iran behave like they belong with the world of civilized nations...and probably well played strategically. Possibly affecting the next round of elections in Iran, possibly benefiting of the 'moderate' candidate(s). To me a very welcome development that possibly portend more future welcome developments.
As far as why The Times included coverage of the Peres statement in the same story as the Obama story a reasonable question. Peres is a former leader, emphasis on former, of Israel and his opinion is of importance but as being neither American or Iranian I don't know he should be given a place in an article which is about the direct relations between the US and Iran. Israel, and their relations with the US, Iran, and all other countries in the region, will be a central part in any talks between the US and Iran. While I do feel the Peres statement should receive prominent coverage I also think it should have been kept separate from the main coverage of Obama's historic message...
And I think the neocons probably gave birth to multiple and large litters of kittens with the corresponding conniption fits . All I have to say is...poor babies, deal with it, thankfully you're out of power.
March 21, 2009 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
North Korea, Russia, China, Vietnam, and now Iran...it seems we are now dealing with all of our former adversaries, to varying degrees, except for Cuba. Hopefully a dialogue will be started with them in the near future...we still need to see more litters of kittens and conniptions from the far right.
March 21, 2009 1:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
MJ.
this is the part of the address I didn't like.
This sounds too much like a subtle accusation and threat and a repetition of past speeches (Not by Obama)concerning Iran. Some people in Iran will jump on this.
March 21, 2009 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with John on the passage he quotes. First off, the U.S. doesn't get to decide is in the "community of nations." Second, Iran already is in the "community of nations" so that sentence is meaningless. The second sentence is a very condescending lecture.
And lastly, the U.S. has no place telling any country about improperly using "arms" -- especially in the Middle East. How many Middle Eastern countries has Iran overthrown and occupied in the last decade?
March 21, 2009 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Remember Chomsky: If you assume we own the planet, it all makes sense.
March 21, 2009 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
myth,
heh, good one. :)
March 22, 2009 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure some will jump on it in Iran John. But the statement it isn't totally untrue or unfair...they do support terrorist operations. That being said it wouldn't be untrue of unfair for Iran to point out all of the incidents in the past 30 years where we didn't walk the walk that matched the talk we talked...like our war of aggression against Iraq.
March 21, 2009 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lib,
my point was that if you want to create an opening between us and Iran you should omit subtle threats and accusations. Putting in that part of the comment I had trouble with insured Iran that its more of what they've been hearing for lo these many years. Obama's speech was Obama approaching Iran with a dove in one hand (good) and a baseball bat in the other (bad).
As to your comment, I totally agree.
March 22, 2009 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink